Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

Donald, can you tell us, how much are the max GHz in 4/6 cores while gaming on 8850H/8950HK? I think that will get a GT75 with 8850H and GTX1070.

 

MSI GS65 Stealth Thin Review, MSI's BEST EVER Laptop!
Hardware Unboxed
Published on Apr 24, 2018

 

Be careful there are too many layers of hashes and verification thanks to secure boot and boot guard tech from Intel and difficult to bypass.

Depends on ambient temps, Optimised OS, vitually 0% CPU usage before benching and etc etc...

 

He was talking about the EC firmware, not the bios, just fyi.

 

We do not offer overclocking services on BGA CPUs, and our Production line is way to busy at this time to allow us to do that kind of testing.

What I can tell you is that the Intel® Core™ i7-8850H is 'Partially unlocked', so we did test 4 pieces of MSI GT75 8RG TITAN-056 w/ Intel® Core™ i7-8850H and nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 at -100mV with Grizzly Conductonaut and Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads, OC'd to 4.4GHz. During AIDA64 stress test, several benchmarks, and hard gaming for at least 2 hours at Ultimate settings, they ran steady on all 6 cores, no throttling. Highest temperature spikes - GPU = 62C - CPU = 91C. With the Bottom Ventilation Mod that we will be offering shortly, the temps dropped to - GPU = 58C - CPU = 87C.

See also:

 

From review of Gigabyte Aero 14v8 (i7-8750H)

Intel Core i7-8750H is meant to run 3,900 MHz (all 6 cores). But can barely manage 3.1GHz in Cinebench R15.

Although the CPU does not fully excite its turbo potential (with multi-core load the clock fluctuates between 2.2 and 3.9 GHz, theoretically would be permanently possible 3.9 GHz) View attachment 158001

You said without throttling. You mean it can run minimum 4 GHz with 6 cores load without clocks drops? For me is everything below boost clocks throttling. I never look on Intel’s explanation of what they inform in their specs sheets (everything below base clocks frequency is throttling). Thanks

 

Running 4 ghz on 6 cores with all 6 cores/12 threads loaded, without 45W TDP throttling is impossible. It's electrically impossible to be below 45 watts with all 6 cores and 12 threads loaded.
Donald should double check this. Even an undervolted 7820HK @ 4 ghz will have a VERY hard time staying under 45W at 4 ghz.

Also please use Cinebench R15 to check.
Some ODM's are now using software detection to block throttling when very popular review programs are running (like AIDA64) to make their systems look better.

 

This is really interesting to me, since among others I'm considering an Aorus X7 DT v8 with 8850H and 1080. Have you guys got stock of the Aorus X7 DT v8 yet?

The 8850H sounds like a good alternative to the much more expensive i9 if these rest results are correct, which I'm inclined to believe they are.


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We haven't brought any X7 DT v8-CL4D in yet, but they are available.

 

wich mean in term of heat and temperature 8750h is better than 7700HQ due to lowest clocks base right (for gaming) ?

 

I know all this bruh. Already done testing long time ago.... Check Cpu Package Power with voltage used vs, clocks for 4GHz on 6 cores. On top will the power consumption rises with temperature (because of I2R losses) if the cooling is crippled vs. what showed in the images below.

But I haven't fully checked up how long you can run boost clocks and how crippled power limits is for partially unlocked i7-8850H. Or how hard the OEM have gimped the bios/Ec with use of this BGA chips.

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[email protected] A bit higher voltage and clocks sink down as suddenly punctured balloon.

Better say saved by the bigger die on 6 core chips. Most likely equal temp if cpu die was in same size as 7700Hq.

 

Many thanks for the post Donald, another question...”Partially unlocked” mean what? I not found any info about that even from intel website...

 

You could get a 400MHZ oc according to Donald when I was chatting to him about my order .

 

You are talking about 8850H?

 

Yes

 

@Donald@HIDevolution - Could you get a test unit? I know I am extremely interested in the X7 DT v8, and any thermal info after a Conductonaut repaste would be very welcome. Also information on whether it OCs to even 4.2GHz-4.3GHz without temperatures going out of the window.


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We have over 100 laptops on our website. We cannot bring them all in for 'testing'. We are not a testing laboratory, or a review site, and our Production line is filled with customer's orders who are eager to get them. I can only post the results we get from units we build. We do not offer overclocking services for BGA based laptops as I have said in my earlier post, but we did do a one time experiment with 4 units to prove the Intel® Core™ i7-8850H is indeed overclockable. Please read my post #654 on the previous page carefully...that is all I can provide at this time.

 

I apologize. No problem at all. Thanks for the information. The post where you included the details of the OC'd 8850H is very informative.

Hypothetically, if I ordered a X7 DT v8, would you guys be able to tell me temperatures post-repaste before you shipped the order?


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Sure, just make that request in the special requests text box just below where you select Donald S as the person that helped you. To get your Notebookreview discount, in that same box, put NBR = ThePerfectStorm.

 

Thanks a lot for the advice. Another question (sorry) - Do you have X9 DT stock? If not, when will you get stock?

Sorry for troubling you, you are an incredible guy. Thanks so much for your help.

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No, they have not arrived in the USA yet. They are due next week. However the supply is very limited, and we have already sold all but one out of the first shipment. Aorus hasn’t told us when the next shipment will arrive, but knowing them, it will probably be a month or so later.

 

Thank you very much. If things go as they should financially, that last one may be mine I seriously hope that my current deal goes goes through (chances are 50:50). Pray for me guys.


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Any suggestions for a $300-500 notebook I could use for university until Cannon/Ice Lake/Ryzen 2XXX/nVidia Turing comes around? I'm not keen on buying a notebook with two-year-old GPU technology for several thousands of dollars.

 

Will you be doing any gaming on it?


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Probably some *light* stuff to pass the time, like OSRuneScape, Portal 2, Anno 1404, etc. I haven't purchased any recent games, so that's out.

My plan was to get this laptop to tide me over for the first semester/year of university which starts in August, get a Threadripper Zen 2 (3950X??) desktop next year for the heavy lifting and gaming, and get a second laptop with a mid-range GPU for portability.

 

This is a bit over your budget, but may fit.

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-...8&qid=1524654361&sr=1-9&keywords=acer+swift+3


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Review for Helios 300 15" with 8750H and gtx 1060:

https://www.ultrabookreview.com/19445-acer-helios-300-coffee-lake-review/

Spoiler

With Cinebench R15 in a loop we noticed a slight drop in scores to about 1000 points after several runs, as the CPU clocked down faster from its maximum Turbo Boost speeds as the internals built heat. But even in this case there’s room for improvement with undervolting.

Gaming performance was pretty solid as well, with no issues on the GPU side, however the CPU oftenly drops to its stock speeds with the more demanding titles, as you can see below.


CB15


Far Cry 4


Gaming on battery


CB15 on battery


Shadow of Mordor



with i7-8750H with i7-7700HQ
Shadow of Mordor 90 fps 47 fps
Grid Autosport 114 fps 93 fps
Tomb Raider 100 fps 91 fps
Bioshock Infinite 119 fps 93 fps
FarCry 4 71 fps 53 fps
Total War: Attila 37 fps 35 fps

In conclusion, this 2018 version of the Helios 300 performed very well in our tests while plugged in, regardless if it ran daily chores, games or software that put the hardware to serious work.

We did notice some slight hiccups with the CPU dropping to stock frequencies in some situations, but these don’t have a major impact on actual day to day use and like I already mentioned earlier, can be tweaked with undervolting and even repasting the CPU .

On top of that, keep in mind that the CPU and GPU are crippled while the computer runs on battery, so if you’re looking to run demanding tasks away from the wall, the Helios 300 won’t do, at least based on our experience with this review sample.

Emissions (noise, heat), Connectivity and speakers

We ran into some serious cooling issues with the Helios 300 sample we tested last year, but this 2018 edition did a lot better.

The cooling uses two fans grouped together and a set of three heatpipes that run on top of the CPU/GPU. These are corroborated with proper intake cuts on the bottom and some serious exhausts on the back edge as well.


As a result, the laptop runs cool and totally quiet with daily tasks, when the fans remain inactive most of the time. They do ramp-up with games and become fairly loud, averaging 49-50 dB at head level in most games, which means you’ll probably need headphones to cover them up.

As far as thermals go, the laptop’s top part, above the keyboard, reaches temperatures of very high 40s with demanding loads and gaming on the lap is not going to be comfortable. That’s not unacceptable for a computer with this kind of hardware, but at the same time there are alternatives that run cooler out there.





*Daily Use – 1080p Youtube clip in EDGE for 30 minutes
*Load – playing FarCry 4 for 30 minutes

 

First taming / tuning results for the GT75 8950HK:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussions-lounge.806253/page-93#post-10720041

Congratulations to @Phoenix and @Falkentyne
It should be noted that this is with @Donald@HIDevolution re-pasting with LM to get these thermals.

 

Who jumped ship from a 7820HK to the 8950HK?

If so, was it worth it? Is it much faster encoding large files? Any improvement in multithreaded games?

 

Literally the previous post points to such a GT73 7820HK GTX1080 owner that just received an GT75 8950HK GTX1080 and is in the middle of tuning it.

And, there are a bunch of future new GT75 8950HK owners posting in that thread.

 

MSI GT75 TITAN 8RG-201 Gaming Laptop: Core i9/GTX 1080-Kitguru.net
Temperatures:
To test the cooling performance of the MSI GT75 Titan 8RG we ran AIDA64 for 10 minutes. We test the CPU & GPU at the same time to ensure that the cooling is sufficient to cool both chips. We tested the temperatures while the laptop was set to turbo performance mode with the charger plugged in.

Idle temperatures on this laptop are a little warmer than most laptops but with the settings on Turbo the CPU is clocked at 4.28GHz, meaning it chucks out some extra heat compared to stock clocks. The fans barely spin when the system is idling, and I’d rather have slightly higher temperatures over crazy fan noise when doing menial tasks.

The load temperatures are a certainly on the hot side, however. The GTX 1080 GPU is fine at just 78C but the CPU temperature creeping towards 90C is more of a concern. The 4.28Ghz clock on the CPU doesn’t throttle back though, meaning performance doesn’t drop off. However, we even saw the CPU reach highs of 94C by looping Cinebench or gaming for an extended period.

With the GT75 having such a large body with plenty of cooling and powerful fans we would have expected better thermal performance. These high temperatures under load show that the cooling in this laptop isn’t quite good enough to make the most of the i9 processor’s overclocking ability.


The Cinebench score from this laptop is very impressive. You can see the huge performance gain compared to the other processors, and with a score of 1344 the i9-8950K beats out many high end desktop processors as well. Single-core performance is also excellent with a score of 186. This laptop has all the rendering performance of a desktop PC in a smaller form-factor.


186cb is all too low for the adverticed clock speed. Should be more like +205cb. May I smell Intel's Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB) feature kick in?

@Phoenix Could you run full Cinebench R15 test (included Single Core test). How is temp if you run Cinebench as in the review? Lets say 5 times in a row.

 

@Papusan Phoenix tried that. He got the same temps as the review above. We did CB over and over.
But then when he changed IA AC DC loadline from 179 (1.79 mOhms) to 1 (0.01 mOhms), his temps dropped by over 10C.

The reviewer is having VID BOOST enabled. If they showed their HWinfo screenshot, I bet you their voltage would be above 1.4.v !

 

And this means +98% of all the MSI owners will get 6 C degrees below Intels max thermal limit aka 100C. And dust will come as the devil wait on some. + ambient temp will have an impact on how close it will come the magic 100C. I wonder how this will end for the thinner notebook models. It will be damn Hotter than HELL.

 

Yep! That's EXACTLY what brother Phoenix said on skype!!

 

Haven't recieved the X9 yet but something I don't see mentioned is that Aorus has surface intake vents for both of the two main fans.
A GS73 might be able to cool a 6 core processor better or even 1080 if MSI would break from the mold a little bit and put more time into engineering. Even Asus figured something out ala the bottom cover opening on the Zephyrus ( although I'm not a fan)

 

Intel Core i7-8750H vs Core i7-8550U Benchmark Battle
Hardware Unboxed
Published on Apr 25, 2018

 

Gigabyte Aero 15X Laptop Review and Benchmarks
Jarrod'sTech
Published on Apr 28, 2018

The new Gigabyte Aero 15x has a lot of interesting features, including a 6 core / 12 thread Intel 8th generation i7-8750H CPU, Nvidia 1070 Max-Q graphics, 144Hz screen, NVMe SSD and large battery in a fairly small form factor. In this review you’ll see how it performs through a number of gaming benchmarks and find out what features are on offer to help you decide if it’s worth buying for the price.

 

these videos are joke sometimes. some you would get to see them going into details and some they just do straight review, which is no different from notebookcheck/LTT. i still dont understand @hmscott about posting these youtube vids nonstop.

 

Gigabyte Aero 15X v8 Unboxing | Initial Impressions | Premiere Pro Test
that1cameraguy
Published on Apr 20, 2018
I take a look at the Gigabyte Aero 15x v8 with the new 6-core processor from Intel. The model I'm looking at is the 144Hz 1080 model in the video...

 

Gigabyte Aero 15X i7-8750H GTX 1070 Max-Q Unboxing
XOTIC PC
Published on May 2, 2018
Let's take a quick look at the new GIGABYTE AERO 15X V8-BK4

 

though there are different opinions and different people have different values, when it comes to performance and best of the best hardware, it's LGA just because nature of it swappable, you can replace it with a even better chip.

also, i think you need to see the wide range of perspectives and not me, because iirc your comment tend to silence others, or something similar in that area.

 

Dell G7 7588 Unboxed & Differences Between Dell G3, G5 and G7
exklim Tech News
Published on Apr 28, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/exklimtechnew...
Dell updates their Inspiron 5000 and 7000 gaming machines to the G3 and G5 as well as launch the new G7. I unbox the G7 and have a first look at it as well as explain the differences between the G3, G5 and G7.
I compare the G7 to the Inspiron 15 7567 and the Aero 15w.

 

new review of the MSI GT75 8rg with the new i9 chip!

 

i dont think so, maybe if you stop being a troll people would actually cared about the video you posted. i guess reality hits hard

 

2018 Gigabyte Aero 15w v8 - i7 8750h/GTX 1060 144 Hz Panel - UNBOXED
exklim Tech News
Published on Apr 27, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/exklimtechnew...
Gigabtye launches their new Aero 15 with coffee lake 6 core CPU's.
You can have the 15w which has a FHD 144 hz panel and GTX 1060 or the 15x which can have the same panel or the UHD 3840 x 2160 60hz and GTX 1070 max-Q.

 

GS65 8RF Review by @Kevin@GenTechPC

 

First night of playing around. Bypassed the Aorus command and control and using XTU locked 6 core multiplier at 4.3ghz with a -75mv undervolt.
Certainly draws alot of power.

Holds steady under stress test. Once I determine how far I can undervolt I'll raise the multiplier and post again.

 

This is with an X9 DT right? Does it have a Conductonaut repaste? And what are your fan settings?


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It's the DT. Stock paste. I use custom max 100% auto fan settong.