Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

While we talk about Asus...
Test Asus ROG Chimera G703GI (i9-8950HK-GTX 1080)Notebookcheck.com

The first round Cinebench R15 - 1312cb done on stock 4.3GHz 6 core is awful reading. And worse it will be...
Unfortunately, the hexa-core CPU can not fully develop its turbo over extended periods of time. So the performance in our Cinebench loop dropped by about 15% from the second round. Already in the first run, the clock of the Core i9-8950HK fluctuated between 2.9 and 4.8 GHz, with an average of 4.3 GHz. However, it should be mentioned at this point that the turbo in most of the previously reviewed Coffee Lake notebooks from a certain point decreased - though not always so strong.


4.3GHz 2.92GHz... With wimpy 45W Cpu load and Cpu still run 85C degrees...

 

Its really starved for power, they should have really made a cTDPup option for 65Watts.

Running hot is just the effect of stupid thin and light design.

 

Dimensions; Height x Width x Depth (in mm): 51 x 425 x 319

 

Wait, if its an HK why is it reverting to 45Watts?

Crippled firmware strikes again?

That chassis has no excuse to run hot, shared heatpipe? Did they borrow AW tripod?

 

Better say saved/rescued by Asus engineers + Intel's 45w TDP. Put in some more power aka more heat and it would still creap down to same TDP level.

 

I'm not really understanding the engineering side of the whole 8th gen "gaming" laptops.

How could anyone sign off designs that suffer from thermal throttling?

GPU's shed a lot of power/heat, and having common/connected heatsinks seems to be the way to go(probably cheaper), but they all lead to overheating CPU's.

 

Imagine how this mess would be looking if Asus engineers followed the todays "thin and flimsy trend" and shrinked the chassis thickness? You talk about sign off designs... Azor the General Vice President for Alienware and DEll XPS brand will put this unlocked 6 core BGA in the much thinner XPS line models. Then we are back to this.... How Dell cripple performance explained by Poopusan

Why the need for the unlocked i9-8950Hk In DellBOOK (XPS) if it barely can manage to run 3.04GHz ? Mooore $$$$$ on Dell? The lot cheaper i7-8750H can do exactly the same task. As well the cheaper i7-8850H. People have to pay high price for something you really can't get!!

 

That's the model LTT Oc'd to 5ghz isnt it? Unless they cut footage of whatever else they did, it looked like a power limit was set to unlimited in XTU which means not firmware locked. There would be some kind of current limit to protect hardware but it seemed high enough to not throw xtu throttle flags at 5ghz/~160W

But yeah, that model is P870 size and weight, hardly thin or light, it just cools like one.

 

Alienware 17 R5 Review:Tomshardware.com



Bottom Line
The Alienware 17 R5 is a massive, beautiful machine that’s great at playing games with a lovely display, powerful audio and, of course, an Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080.

But, if you pay for the top-level configuration like our review unit, you expect to get that Core i9 performance. And our model offered lesser benchmark scores than competitors with the same processor on some benchmarks. Frankly, that’s the one big thing keeping this rig from getting a better score and an editors’ choice award.

If you want that CPU power, go for the $3,899 Aorus X9. You’ll have to drop down to a 1080p display. It runs at 144Hz and supports G-Sync. But the display is dimmer than I’d like, especially after I’ve laid my eyes on the Alienware’s panel.

But the Alienware 17 R5 is top-notch when it comes to literally everything else, and if you can deal with the lesser processor performance, it will serve you very well.

 

Hello guys. I'm new and happy to find interesting talk.
I was excited to read about Intel 8th gen, I'm about to buy myself a new work laptop. I was aiming 8750h, then I saw new dell with the 8950h. And, although the price is quite huge, it can be worth. At least I thought. Now with the throttling, I'm not sure.

I saw the so called tripod heatsink. Why do you think it's bad? To me it looks well designed. Please help me understand :/

All in all, I still want a thin laptop because I will be carrying it by bike, it must fit my little backpack, and be as light as possible.
What 15 inch would you recommend?
Aero 15 ?
Dell ?
GS65 ?
tongfang gk5cn5z based ?

Thank you

 

If you want lighter notebook go for older gen kabylake 7700HQ w/ Pascal GPUs 1060 or 1070. It should run cooler than 6 core and somewhat cheaper w/ lot of reviews and mods in this community.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ven-core-temps-due-to-uneven-heatsink.797477/

 

The OEMs rely on people making impulsive purchases based on outward appearances and first impressions. Good for them, I guess. They would go bankrupt if not for so many people behaving that way. Hindsight is always 20/20. Nobody enjoys learning things the hard way.

 

Thank you for the link, I now understand the tripod fail.

You advise me to go for a 7700hq. But I have a new question. Ark Intel lists both processor as 45w TDP and bga socket. Maybe I'm naive but since it's all the same, I always imagined manufacturer didn't have to redesigne heat management.
So why would a 7700hq perform better than a 8750hk ?

Thank you again for the knowledge.

 

If you want HK series then look for 7820HK which shreds 7700HQ in mere seconds. Actually 5GHz single core speed on 8950HK will push TDP near 100W.

 

Gigabyte Aero 15X vs. MSI GS65 Stealth Thin Smackdown- Light & Classy Gaming Laptops
MobileTechReview
Published on Jun 6, 2018
Lisa Gade compares the MSI GS65 Stealth Thin and the Gigabyte Aero 15X, two premium very light and slim 15.6” gaming and pro apps laptops with tasteful designs and nearly identical specs and pricing. Both run Windows 10 on the Intel 8th gen Coffee Lake Core i7-8750H 6 core 45 watt CPU with up to 32GB DDR4 RAM and a fast M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (each has two SSD slots). They have matte, non-touch 144Hz IPS displays, per key backlit RGB keyboards and your choice of NVIDIA GTX 1060 or GTX 1070 Max-Q dedicated graphics NVIDIA Optimus. They’re both priced around $2,000. Our review loaners were provided by Computer Upgrade King- https://CUKUSA.com .
Watch ur review of the Gigabyte Aero 15X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYDC...
Watch our review of the MSI GS65 Stealth Thin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2FtP...

 

Any number of things can cause an unlocked CPU to revert to TDP rating of its locked down counterpart, even though Bios power limit overrides are in place:
1) Thermal Limit (Prochot) reached ->Thermal throttling
2) Current Limit reached (this is not so simple, and this manifests in different ways; an unlocked enough Bios may remove some of these restrictions (aka TDC Limit and ICCMAX / VR Current Limit)).
3) Artificial current limit or artificial power limit reached via Embedded Controller hidden enforced limits.
4) Total System Power draw allowance exceeded for a given configuration, despite the AC Adapter rating type used (Another Embedded Controller (EC) restriction) causing CPU power Limit throttling to bring the system back down to AC power draw specifications
5) Thermal Terminal Velocity Boost feature being implemented and activated in the Bios.


The MSI 16L13 laptop is a victim of #3 already, despite it using a fully unlocked 6700K and 7700K SKU configuration, all due due to a fatal bug in the MSI Embedded Controller code with how it handles its SKUs and power ID requirements. The MSI 16L13 uses a 91W TDP CPU, and even though the Bios allows power limit overrides up to 500 watts, these power limits are completely lGNORED by the system. The Bios sees and recognizes them, but the embedded controller BLOCKS the overrides due to a fatal bug in how the MSI embedded controller code is implemented, which is a cancer byproduct of how their BGA and possibly even their PGAbooks are designed.

The 16L13 laptop has a register which controls the main SKU configuration for maximum power allowance (based on AC power adapter type), which is stored in Embedded Controller RAM register E3. This register controls the system type, based on installed video card detection and installed CPU type. These types are preprogrammed. Different Geforce product SKU's that have a different TDP will have a different power ID. All of this is stored so that the Embedded Controller can set an AC power limit on power draw that MSI considers safe for the system. Exceeding the amount of power draw will cause the EC to use various methods to throttle the CPU to cut CPU cycles to reduce the power draw. This can be via forcing on the Power Limit 1 or 2 PECI flags (PECI are EC enforced power limits, which have higher priority than either Bios or MMIO power limits!), by enforcing BD Prochot throttling, or even by cutting the CPU multiplier to 800 mhz (without even activating a flag!).

If a value for a certain CPU is programmed into EC RAM register E3, via the Bios (For that CPU type), and the Embedded Controller does not recognize the CPU type ID as valid, the Embedded Controller will override the Bios set power limits and will force default values (via PECI) for Power Limit 1 and Power Limit 2. That is why users with stock 16L13's will not be able to exceed 91W TDP on their CPU's without changing certain obscure Bios settings to trick the CPU into reporting it is using less power. This entire artificial power limit is a *BUG*, simply because MSI didn't program the power identification overrides for desktop processors, into EC code that was intended for BGA laptops only, but the effect is still undesirable.

tl;dr: On the MSI 16L13, a bug in their code causes this undesirable throttling (simply not having the LGA processors identified on a proper table, which can only be added by disassembling the EC code in Linux and adding the CPU's, revalidating checksums, recompiling and redoing SHA-256 checksums to avoid a brick, etc).

This exact same effect can be emulated on the MSI GT73VR, GT75VR and GT75 Titan 8RG, by downloading RW Everything, going to EC RAM register E3, and programming some random unrecognized value into it, for example: B5. Programming a value of B5 into any of the HK series MSI laptops will cause unavoidable 45W CPU power limit throttling. It will first INSTANTLY throttle at 62W (this may be different for the 6 core processors as there are changes that I cannot test myself nor do I have a way to troubleshoot without access to one, but this 62W applies to the 4 core HK processors), with Power Limit 2, then after 28 seconds, Power Limit 1 will be flagged and the 4 core CPU will be running at either 45W, or the maximum NON TURBO multiplier, whichever is HIGHER. The 8950HK should respond similarly to this. That is because the value "B5" is not recognized as a valid power ID, so the EC reverts to failsafe defaults. If any users reading this have either a GT73VR, GT75VR, or GT75 Titan 8rg, change the value in EC RAM register "E3" to "B5" and then run Cinebench R15 or Prime95 Blend, and have Throttlestop running (or HWinfo64) and watch what happens to your nice shiny unlocked CPU !

It doesn't matter if the power ID is a CPU power ID or a GPU power iD that is not recognized. All that matters is that it is not recognized. The BIOS can set the ID to the EC, but if the EC does not have this code in a WHITELIST to allow the CPU to draw unlimited power by having that configuration accepted so the Bios overrides work, then you cannot exceed TDP. Now I will admit that this could also very well be a direct BIOS bug itself, with power limit overrides not being allowed to bypass TDP, and if that is the case, then I would be wrong about this being an EC bug, but bug is bug. What does the end user care about? If their system throttles prematurely or not !


#4 is already a common "feature" of all the current MSI laptops. There are changes to the 6 cores I again cannot speak for, but for the 7820Hk and 6820HK systems, there are two power ID's based on if a GTX 1060, 1070 or 1080 are installed: 230w and 330w. 1070 is 230W. Exceeding 230W of total system power draw causes the EC to forcibly throttle the CPU to 45W, then 25W, then to cut the multiplier. This seems to be done via PECI power limits and other factors beyond my knowledge. Changing the EC RAM power ID (this can be changed live, in windows) to the GTX 1080 power ID bypasses this restriction completely. Since MSI loves to recycle old code, the same system should work for the 6 core HK systems, if a 1070 SKU with a 8950HK even exists (which I don't believe does exist). You would need the necessary power brick to avoid overdrawing the PSU however. Note: this will NOT turn a "H" series CPU into a "HK" CPU. But the total AC power limits on the 6 core systems are completely diffrerent. But still, no H into HK for any of you! No soup for you !

God only knows what Acer, Asus, and Dellienware are doing to their i9 8950HK laptops.

 

Acer Predator Helios 500 review (Core i9-8950HK-Gtx1070) laptopmedia.com
At the last phase of our CPU stress test weird things continued as, except for some “peaks” to 63C, the overall temperature dropped down to 57C at the end. Frequencies were fluctuating between 2.4 and 2.5 GHz while at the end they also sustained a 2.4 GHz value. However, at 45W TDP and 6 physical cores, we can’t say we are not happy with the performance of this CPU so we think future BIOS updates or even the first retail units are not going to have this issue at unusually high load.

Of course Cpu + Gpu temp is ok with the unlocked i9 BGA running 2.4GHz on all 6 cores.

Cores frequency (0 – 2:00 min.)


Cores frequency (0 – 15:00 min.)

 

It's probably the work of Satan, but I am sure He knows about it. He knows about everything. It's the free will part where things start to get really messy.

This lunacy really emphasizes what ignorant shills some of these reviewers are. Instead of calling balls and strikes, railing on it for running like crap, they make really lame excuses for it. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to believe a BIOS update is going to fix that. The fact it was sent out for review suggests this piece of trash is working "as intended" by its maker. The alternative is they are too stupid to recognize that it malfunctions. Neither option instills any confidence in the product or its maker.

 

They could say that its cheap.

Acer Pretador Helios with i9 and 1070 only costs 2400€ in Portugal, there isn't even an MSI with the i9 for sale here, but that was already the expected, 3 heatpipes(one being wimpy) with a massive kink and a much smaller heatsink fin area than the GPU, if Acer still uses the crap H2O/Insyde BIOS, unlocking that might be fun, if there is anything at all to be gained with an unlock, because most likely all the throtling is handled by the EC, and good luck mucking around in it.

Temps around 63ºC seem great, but then, the clocks are a disgrace, seems like its actively keeping the CPU at 63-64ºC, by all means possible..

 

does 12mb compare to 9mb make a huge difference in actual real-world use assuming all other specs are exactly the same?

 

12MB vs 9MB of what, cache?

More cache is always better, now on it compares in a bench, dont expect any crazy difference, depends a lot on the type of workload.

 

yes, cache.
I work with cad applications plus game a little.
I'm deciding whether to spend an extra $100 on Xeon E-2176M rather the i7-8850H.
The system I'm looking at buying has the option for the Xeon option but isn't compatible with ECC memory so, besides the slightly faster clock speed and 3mb increase in a cache, everything is identical.

 

catia or similar?

 

yes Catia, Solidworks, Rhino, keyshot, fusion 360, AutoCAD, Sketchup

 

Here is an older article... http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/306096-28-cache-cache

I have posted results (on the NBR forum) from an comparison between fully speed 6700Hq vs. 7700K (boost disabled). The BGA showed much worse results vs. clock speed (video rendering). The LGA running 35% Higher clocks scored 57% Higher vs. the BGA.

Less cashe = Failed Silicon!!

 

I bet most of them use CUDA acceleration and 6MB/9MB will not make a day/night difference.

 

Quadro GPU would be a better investment than the Xeon I would say,

 

It depends on the expectation for the overall quality (those that are CPU based result in higher quality) and the complexity of the model (if it doesn't fit in vRam, you don't have any benefits with CUDA).

Not all (but most) of the CAD and BIM apps have a considerable increase in FPS with pro cards, but yeah, if the price difference isn't an issue, then a pro card will provide greater benefits.

Between 8850H (that could be OC'ed by 400Mhz) and the similarly spec xeon, there shouldn't be any considerable difference (the 8850H might be advantaged if it could hold those +400 clocks, but this would seem highly unlikely if we consider how crippled (EC, BIOS, Cooling) are the majority of the BGA notebooks).

The best all around CPU with a good price/performance ratio (high clocks for a more fluid experience in viewport for most of those processes that can't use multiple cores and 12 threads + high clocks that are mostly maintained with a 95wTDP CPU, for better rendering times) would be a 8700k (or 8086k, but this one is still new and currently in testing) on a a well cooled clevo from a Prema partner (so you could exploit the full performance potential limited only by the laptop's cooling potential and not be limited by power throttling and other arbitrary imposed throttling mechanisms).

 

I don't think H chips can overclock at all!
More complex the model say 16GB or more, it simply is better to go for CPU acceleration since it will be faster than copying data to/fro from CUDA/OpenCL device(s).
@Fungus99 Are you a consumer or prosumer?

 

Also remember a cache miss will have a bigger penalty with slower main memory too so don't go the xeon then cheap out on the single stick 2133mhz option...

 

With ECC=ON the penalty is pretty bad, its like running 1st gen core i series chip at 1GHz.

 

OT, but sketchbook doesn’t belong in that list of cad programs; the circles are polygons.


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New Awful Cinebench R15 results. And the reviewer can't even see it or understand it on it's own. + the reviewer from Pcmag seems he don't understand he compare 6 vs. 4 cores
Alienware 17R5 review-uk.pcmag.com

The 6 core i9-8950Hk in Alienwares new flagshipbook even killed in Photoshop by yesterdays 4 core i7-7820Hk (Razebook Pro 2017). + Cinebench R15 - 1036cb is awful results from an 6 core Cpu.

 

There aren't many Acer Helios 500 benchmark / gaming results videos out there, so turn on Auto-Translate English (or whatever) to watch these German vid's

Acer Predator Helios 500 Game Test - Fortnite - PubG - BF1 - CSGO
NO-miss
Published on Jun 24, 2018
Hi, due to your requests, I've tested a par games on the new Helios 500 (8750H + 1070) for you.

In the Test:
- Fortnite 01:42 Min.
- Battlefield 1 04:01 Min.
- Counterstrike Go 05:21 Min.
- Players unknown Battlegrounds 07:41 Min.

Acer Predator Helios 500 Gaming Notebook - Review Deutsch
NO-miss
Published on Jun 18, 2018
Hi, here's a review on the new Acer Helios 500.
In the video you can see my impression of the notebook, unboxing and a game test with BF1 and Players Unknown Battlegrounds.

Technical:
17.3 "Full HD 1920x 1080p Display 144Hz, G-Sync
Intel Core I7 8750H 6x 2.1 -
4.1GHz Nvidia GTX 1070 -8GB
16GB DDR4 Memory
256GB SSD + 1TB HDD
Windows 10

 

Expectation vs reality

When you're glad that you managed to find a good deal: a relatively cheap laptop equipped with a gtx 1050 Ti and an 8750H that doesn't overheat with the factory paste, no matter what you throw at it (those who said that all coffee lake laptops run hot, haven't seen The Ultimate Force from ASUS)...

https://www.ultrabookreview.com/19725-asus-tuf-fx504ge-review/


"Asus thermally limited our sample, which means that the CPU drops below its maximum Turbo Boost Speeds once the package reaches temperatures on high 70s – low 80s. As a result, the benchmarks scored lower on this sample than on other laptops built on the i7-8750H processor we’ve tested in the past.
...
With games the CPU drops quickly to about 1.7 GHz, but the GPU runs well and the gaming experience isn’t affected much. At the same time the 6-core CPU doesn’t help.



...
The undervolting has a very little impact on the gaming performance, as the CPU continues to drop to about 1.7 GHz in some of the more demanding titles, but not as fast as it does with the default voltage.



...
All in all our FX504GE sample performed out of the box poorer than other laptops built on the Coffee Lake Core i7 platform we’ve tested in the past. Asus aggressively limits the CPU’s speeds based on temperatures and the limit is set low, at about 80 degrees Celsius, which causes the lower benchmark results and poorer performance in demanding chores. This could be addressed on the final retail units with software tweaks, but if the hardware were to run hotter, the increased internal temperatures would also translate in the outer-case reaching higher temperatures, which as you’ll see in the next section, is already quite unpleasant.
...
Asus implemented a rather standard, but deprecated by today’s standards imo, cooling solution on the FX504 series, with two fans that flank the hardware and two heat-pipes, a thicker one that spreads on top both the CPU and GPU, and an extra thinner one that goes just on top of the GPU
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On top of that, the intake grills on the bottom are limited, albeit the design might suggest otherwise, as the air only gets in through 4 small cuts, two on each side. I’d reckon this has something to do with the dust defender solution implemented on this line, but it also has a negative impact on the cooling’s performance imo. Combine the two together and you get a fair explanation for the CPU’s thermal limitations.
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With games the fans get noisy, averaging 51-52 dB at head-level, so you’ll need headphones to cover them up. Asus offers three Fan profiles (Silent, Auto and Fan-Boost), and we used the Auto profile in our tests. The fans are much quieter while running games on the Silent mode, but the CPU and GPU also run 10-15 degrees hotter (the CPU reaches low 80s and the GPU reaches 90s) and I wouldn’t recommend playing games on this mode for too long. So keep the laptop on the Auto Fan mode, or on Fan-Boost if you’re using headphones.



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It’s also strange that the laptop’s interior and keyboard deck runs hotter than the bottom, which suggests perhaps some arguable design decisions or some issues with our test unit."


https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-TUF-FX504GD-Core-i5-8300H-GTX-1050-Laptop-Review.303266.0.html


"CPU performance is a mixed bag. While single-thread performance is excellent and where we expect it to be for an i5-8300H, multi-thread performance is about 20 percent slower than the average i5-8300H. Even the two-generations old i7- 6700HQ in the MSI GE72VR is able to handily outperform the i5-8300H in our FX504 according to CineBench benchmarks. We double-checked that the High Performance profile was in place and repeated the tests to be sure, but scores would never improve."


Well... at least it's a bit faster than a 8250U (with unmodified power limits)!

 

And my 4720hq scores 702(the more usual is 680-690) on CB R15, what a great performer that laptop is..

What is going on the head of all those engineers?

Is Asus hiring?...

 

They're just after the profits, so in their perspective, it's ok to just design a cooling system that is barely at the limit of decency and further manage thermals with throttling mechanisms.
Wrap this up with a gaming design and a pompous name such as "Republic Of Gamers" or in this case "The Ultimate Force" and the unsuspecting buyer that that sees the low temps in reviews and "gaming" in the naming scheme, believe that asus truly designs gaming laptops that have a great cooling system.

 

Just like the old GL models with 860/960m, its just a media laptop painted in black and called gaming, but all it is in fact is a media laptop, the fact that its an (F)X means that its a low end crappy chassis.

Its made to a price point I know, but if they want to chase low prices, adding another stain to the brand isn't the best idea..

I saw so many returned GL's due to poor performance back in the day, it would stutter like crazy after 5 minutes of playing..

 

As a hobby, I recommend laptops based on the user's needs (on another forum) and as far as I've seen, they still have a relatively high failure and return rate.

Yep, the previous fx series had a relatively low quality chassis (the gl series had two options, one with the same materials as the fx and another which had some metallic insertions).

Things appear to be different with the fx504 series, because chassis sturdiness is one of the most advertised features for these models.

Even if the chassis BQ is better than that of the previous series, you still don't have a full upgrade over the previous series, because they didn't upgrade the cooling solution but instead they offer a lower gpu option (gtx 1050 ti vs 1060) to have enough thermal headroom for the CPU (which apparently isn't enough since they decided to further compensate with throttling). Also, the standard config still has that cheap classic TN panel with below average specs.

 

Gigabyte Aero 15x vs MSI GS65 - Gaming Laptop Comparison
Jarrod'sTech
Published on Jun 27, 2018
Which laptop should you buy? The Gigabyte Aero 15x or MSI GS65 Stealth Thin? Both are high powered thin gaming laptops with 144Hz displays, thin bezels, large batteries, good graphics, and 6 core Intel i7-8750H CPUs, this comparison will cover the good and bad parts of both laptops to help you decide which one you should buy.

Check out my full review for each of these laptops if you want more information:
Aero 15x Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGzku...
MSI GS65 Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVC5M...

 

I don't get your criticism of that 8750 CB R15 compared to your CPU... your 4720HQ gets 702 and with only a basic undervolt the new 8750H gets 1076 out of the box.

Even if this super thin model has been detuned to fit the thermal profile, it's still a large leap forward from your CPU's performance.

Remember, laptop reviewers default to not tuning the CPU voltage, and with all laptops you need to undervolt to get the best performance out of the box.

Fortunately this review included a token undervolt to -100mV - re-running a few benchmarks they ran at stock voltage, they didn't go any further in tuning undervolt / fans / undervolt on GPU or OC on CPU or GPU, so they still left a chunk of performance on the table undiscovered:

Asus TUF FX504 GE review (i7-8750H, GTX 1050 Ti) – an affordable and toughly built gaming laptop
https://www.ultrabookreview.com/19725-asus-tuf-fx504ge-review/
"However, undervolting the CPU with Throttlestop to just -100 mV changes things. Cinebench scores jump to around 1080 on the first runs and then stabilize at around 1000 points with concurrent runs, with the CPU’s frequency dropping to just around 3.0 GHz now, while Geekbench multi-core and 3DMark Physics scores show improvements as well.

• 3DMark 13 – Physics: Fire Strike – 16525 (vs 15225);
• Geekbench 3 32-bit: Single-Core: 3849, Multi-core: 20003;
• Geekbench 4 64-bit: Single-Core: 4775, Multi-core: 17510;
• CineBench R15: OpenGL 106.06 fps, CPU 1076 cb, CPU Single Core 172 cb.

 

And not all use Hwmonitor either... https://www.notebookcheck.net/Aorus-X5-v8-i7-8850H-GTX-1070-Full-HD-Laptop-Review.305300.0.html

 

Razer Blade 15 vs. MSI GS65 vs. Gigabyte Aero 15X vs. CUK P955ER Comparison Smackdown
MobileTechReview
Published on Jun 20, 2018
It’s a 4-way 2018 thin and light high end 15” gaming laptop smackdown! The Razer Blade 15, MSI GS65 Stealth Thin, Gigabyte Aero 15X and Computer Upgrade King P955ER all with an 8th gen Intel Coffee Lake Core i7-8750H processors, NVIDIA GTX 1070 Max-Q dedicated graphics with Optimus, DDR4 RAM, NVMe SSD and 144 Hz displays are compared. All weigh 4.5 lb. / 2.0 kg or less, have metal casings and subdued looks that work for the office.

Our review of the 2018 Razer Blade 15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYOxy...
Our review of the MSI GS65 Stealth Thin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2FtP...
Our review of the Gigabyte Aero 15X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYDC...

 

And the i5-8300H which is a 4 core, 8 thread 45Watt CPU in that chassis:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-TUF-FX504GD-Core-i5-8300H-GTX-1050-Laptop-Review.303266.0.html

Gets 600-610 CB R15 points, 4 gens above mine, with same core and thread count, it should be better, not worse than a CPU from 2013.

I still maintain that Intel and the ODM's are either screwing up hard, or milking the costumers to no end. Yes yes, its a cheap laptop..

 

Oh, yeah, sorry - Intel sucks, buy AMD!!

I didn't get your point initially, given your comparison against a clearly better CPU the 8750H compared to your old 4720HQ.

But, even in this last comparison an i5 likely CTDP downed to 35w and is untuned just out of the box against a tuned i7 45w at it's tip top above average score doesn't make a lot of sense either.

Per the review: "CPU performance is a mixed bag. While single-thread performance is excellent and where we expect it to be for an i5-8300H, multi-thread performance is about 20 percent slower than the average i5-8300H. "

As said in the review the single core score was fine, it was the multithread score that sucked, and that could only be due to power throttled performance, which is an option for this i5-8300H CPU, 35w CTDP down.

So Intel sucks - no apparent performance gain in their CPU's for years, and Asus put the newest i5-8300 to use in a detuned 35w CTDP-down application.

IDK what to say, if you want an Intel CPU buy a 6 core CPU this go round, undervolt it to reduce thermals, and enjoy... or buy AMD laptops, or wait for future AMD laptops.

Did I say AMD?

 

Screwed by +240 points. Not only Intel push out trash. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i5-8300H-SoC.275950.0.html

 

if there was a laptop with a socketed Ryzen and MXM GPU, I would have already bought one..

Sadly, there is only the Asus with the RX580, and I dont consider that a real upgrade, and its a soldered GPU :/

I have been hitching for a new toaster since the Coffee Lake/Ryzen release, but nothing entices me, I was kinda hopping I could settle with some Coffee i7, but they all perform "bad" under load, and the only with an i7 K on Portugal is the Acer Helios 500, that has crazy firmware to keep the CPU around 63ºC at the cost of massive down clocks.

Clevos dont entice me TBH, they look like my old Z96S lol.

So, I'm waiting to see if there will be more socketed Ryzen laptops, because AMD seems to be selecting their ODM's, lets hope they have do some decision making, or allow ODM's to use Ryzens with Nvidia cards..

 

MXM AMD GPU's will most likely never be a thing, but at least both Ryzen laptops, the Asus GL702ZC and Acer Helios 500 have socketed CPU's.

Then again unless Asus and Acer support CPU upgrades in their laptops with BIOS updates - which so far Asus have said "NO!", it might not be much use there either.

 

I haven't been following the GL702ZC thread, but thats low from Asus, maybe BIOS modders will fix that, or they will fix/work around it like the whole Intel thing with the 6th/7th/8th gen cpu's and then use that knowledge to limit the next model to prevent such mods.

A desktop would be better, and cheaper, and more powerfull and flexible, but I need a laptop with me, and the Haswell isn't really cutting it anymore, multiple VM's bring it to its knees, anything 4 cores is not an upgrade for me currently.

From what I have read, AMD only allows laptops with AMD CPU and GPU, I kinda could settle with a Vega 56, but no MXM feels bad, and even then, socketed CPU's that you can't really upgrade also feels sad.

Well, lets wait for new models and hope for the best..