Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

It looks like a 25W PL2 limit from the hwinfo screenshots and IMO Asus had to limit it because if it got any hotter the keyboard would actually be unusable from being too hot to touch, or they were aiming for a total system power use low enough for a 120W adapter could provide.

It's a defective cooling design from being too thin that requires a firmware throttle to castrate the CPU to base clocks but ultimately it still meets Intel spec...

A 15C delta between CPU/GPU and keyboard is completely ridiculous. But it's hard to say exactly what the problem is without a view of the internals

 

There are photos of the internals in this review:

https://www.ultrabookreview.com/19725-asus-tuf-fx504ge-review/

Single heatpipe on the CPU, and its shared with the GPU..

 

MSI GE63 8RE Raider RGB Gaming Laptop Review - 1 Month Later!
Tech Showdown
Published on Jul 3, 2018
Today we check out the laptop I took to Computex and have used for a month now!

MSI Laptops Full Round Up & Overview (GF, GV, GL, GT, GE, GP and More)
Published on Jun 10, 2018
Today I discuss and go over the different MSI Notebooks, explain them and compare them so you know the differences.

 

Eurocom opted for the i9 for the Q8, instead of 8750, which is a shame because it adds costs to the machine, that only comes with a 1070, and it doesn't perform very well. Under 100% load clocks drop to 2.8 GHz.
The multiple CB15 runs done by notebookcheck also show how the i9 in this thin and light chassis is underperforming.
It seems that the EC firmware controls the clock speeds to maintain lower temps, and is even more evident when the GPU is stressed together. However, still within Intel specs, but why pay more for an i9 when it can keep turbo boost clocks for only a second and temps reaching 95C, before the EC kicks in and downclocks.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Eurocom-Q8-i9-8950HK-GTX-1070-QHD-Laptop-Review.313514.0.html

 

Just LOL..

i9 with 1100 score, thats the i7-8750H expected score, dipping to 860, must be to remember the 7700HQ..

 

It's claimed that a CCC bug is behind the throttling, but how unbelievably silly to send a unit with such an obvious bug to a reviewer!

The CPU shoots up to 95C within seconds, fixed software is not going to change that...

 

So, a bug is causing it to throttle, but it goes into into BD-PROCHOT temps in seconds, is the bug in the heatsink?..

Excuses for bad engineering, and recycling a cooling solution that was made for the 6th gen cpu's in 2015, but now, the CPU side also has to dissipate heat from the GPU..

Why even offer that CPU in that chassis? No amount of LM will prevent it from frying, unless cutting a hole and gluing the laptop to a stand with 3 fans is the expected end usage..

 

THIS. I said this long time ago. People should really start read my older posts.

 

That pic is from the P65xRE/P67xRE. The PA7x does not look like that:

 

Same 2 heapipes on the CPU, the chassis is very similar and its just an iteration on the same basic concept/idea.

If anything, the CPU fan is smaller than before, and it now also has to cope with the heat from the VRM's and a bit from the GPU, due to the shared heatpipe, all in all, I would call it worse than before.

 

Active GPU and CPU VRM cooling is definitely an improvement I like seeing.

 

This. This is ****. I thought my Q6 is **** for thermals, but this takes the crown.

Let's see, what are they selling the Q8 for? A base price of over 2k USD.

 

Intel i9 Laptops are NOT Worth It - Benchmarks vs i7 8700 Laptop
LOOL. This mobile High end i9 in the MSIBOOK Gt75 Killed by a locked down i7-8700. VS. an unlocked and decent oc’d i7-8700K this would be really nasty.


@Mr. Fox @Falkentyne @Phoenix

 

Mhm...

 

That 790 score is totally bogus, why are you even considering it?

The video shows how tech illiterate the guy is, and how wrong the whole "review" is.

 

nevermind... dont want to start a new discussion

 

Thin and light going more and more wacko...
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Narro...ng-a-worrying-trend-for-webcams.314178.0.html

Laptop webcams are being pushed aside so laptops can be smaller around the edges and thus lighter and more portable. And the cooling will as always following the trend.

 

Intel i7-8750H vs i7-8850H - Laptop CPU Comparison and Benchmarks
(includes undervolt and OC testing)
Jarrod'sTech
Published on Jul 12, 2018

Spoiler: Details...

Intel recently released their 8th generation Coffee Lake mobile CPUs for laptops, in this video I will compare the features and performance differences between the popular i7-8750H CPU and slightly more powerful i7-8850H CPU to help you decide if it’s worth paying more for the better CPU. I’ve benchmarked both games and CPU intensive applications to show you the difference between them, both at stock speeds and with the 8850H overclocked to 4.3GHz.

Games Tested:
Fortnite
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (CS:GO)
PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds (PUBG)
Shadow of War
Battlefield 1
The Witcher 3
Watch Dogs 2
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon
Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Siege
Far Cry 5
Dota 2

Applications Tested:
Adobe Premiere
Cinebench
7-Zip (compression/decompression)
VeraCrypt (AES encryption/decryption)
Handbrake (transcode 4K to 1080p, and 1080p to 720p)
Passmark9
Geekbench 4.2.2
Corona 1.3
V-Ray

 

ASUS ROG Strix Scar II and Hero II Review, Worth The High Price?
Hardware Unboxed
Published on Jul 12, 2018

 

Then we are on it again. Aka No change vs. it's bigger brother the 17R5. Or its predecessors. The new designed small Vapor Chamber cold plate for Cpu doesn't make it/cut it. And this with the weakest of the 6 cores Coffee lake BGA chips (i7-8750H)

Alienware 15 R4 Review: Bulky Powerhouse-Tomshardware.com



Bottom Line
The Alienware 15 is a powerhouse laptop with a comfortable keyboard and easily upgradable parts if you need extra storage or more RAM. Its biggest downside, though, is that it didn’t do as well as some competitors on most non-gaming benchmarks. And then there's the bulk.

Competitors like the MSI GS65 Stealth and Asus ROG Zephyrus M GM501 both have higher CPU scores and are far more portable, but you’re giving up the full-sized GTX 1070 in the Alienware for a Max-Q option in both cases, and each of those are more expensive for similar configurations.

 

That review is wrong. The GTX 1070 in the Zephyrus M GM501 is also a full-fledged GTX 1070, not a Max-Q version.

 

I talked about the Cpu Performance.

I have talked about this before in several threads and sub forum... BGA = Need 1 bin higher clock to compete with LGA for same scores. Same for Skylake, Kaby lake and now Coffee lake @Falkentyne @Mr. Fox @Vistar Shook @KY_BULLET @Ashtrix @Phoenix @Donald@HIDevolution ++++

Low entry BGA (i7-8750H) run normal clock speed in the first Cinebench R15 benchmarks (scores and clocks drop after first round). I have locked all 6 cores down to same clocks (39x for all 6 cores). And no voltage tweaking.

From Notebookcheck.net data sheet for i7-8750H


BGA clocks ([email protected] all 6 cores).

 

Most 8750Hs run at 3.4–3.6 GHz after the long-term power limit of 55–60 W. Perhaps try power-limiting your CPU and see that your score, too, drops?

 

Notebookcheck post always highest Cinebench R15 scores in their data base for the cpu model. Aka always from the the first round.

From highest score on Notebookcheck.net (i7-8750H). The long-term power limit kick in after first round.

 

Lowered to 37x all 6 cores. AV + several Google tabs + other applications running in the background. Barely 41.2w. But still near 1260cb (no voltage tweaking for the clocks).


Edit. 38x all 6 cores and still under 45w TDP. No reason for the i7-8750H BGA should score lackluster within it's TDP. I could probably shave of +5w Package power with proper voltage tveaking for the fixed clocks. Core i7-8750H is the bottom of the bucket and still being called High end by Notebookcheck + many other reviewers I'm pretty sure the biger brother the partial unlocked i7-8850H is not much better either (if its equal locked down to 45w after the long-term power is exhausted).


For the records... The +$600 usd unlocked 6 core i9-8950Hk in Macbook Pro score 942cb in same Cinebench R15 benchmark. Nice

 

Test Alienware 15 R4 (i9-8950HK - GTX 1070)-Notebookcheck.com





100C as expected.




temperature
Although the cooling gets going, the Alienware 15 R4 gets extremely warm in 3D mode. The Alienware 15 R4 concedes additional minus points for the high hardware temperatures. During the 60-minute full load test, the slightly throttling GeForce GTX 1070 heated up to 90 ° C. A maximum of 100 ° C in the CPU are just borderline, especially since the Core throttled strongly throttling i9-8950HK.

Conclusion - cooling system at the limit
Per

Alienware 15 R4, tester provided by Dell Germany
The fourth revision of the Alienware 15 unfortunately does not fit into the top 10 of the best gaming notebooks.

As our tests have shown, cooling with the Core i9-8950HK isa bit overwhelmed. The lean CPU turbo and the heavy emissions (temperature, noise level) are clear indications of this verdict. With a few millimeters more height and the resulting airspace, the system would probably do better

Otherwise, the chassis knows how to convince. If you ignore the fact that the case depth is 17- rather than 15-inch level, the chic, stable and well-lit body gets a lot of praise. In addition you get good input devices, lots of connections (Thunderbolt 3!), A decent battery life and a useful display. The sound makes it comfortable only in midfield.


Edit. Maybe Alienware's CEO Frank Azor should have done exactly the same for all of their gaming brand line models? They really should forced Full re-design or just skipped the upgrade before they made the decission to push out the 8th gen 6 core BGA chips as it is. At least he made a good decision for the smallest one, The Alienware 13


No Coffee Lake refresh coming to the Alienware 13
Those waiting for a Coffee Lake refresh for the latest Alienware 13 gaming laptop should give up all hope because Frank Azor has just confirmed that such a thing is not in the cards. The models currently available on the market us...

 

The XPS 15 with the i9 will run at 2.2GHz then and at 100C of course, since it is Dell.

 

From the review above...
Emissions - Once headset please
noise emissions
Loud, louder, Alienware 15 R4: So you could summarize the noise emissions briefly. No matter whether less demanding applications or full load: In 3D operation, the fans rush with at least 50 dB. This is a clearly audible value that many people only endure when using headphones. Unfortunately, the competition is similarly modest. Also, the Aorus X5 v8, the Razer Blade 15 and the Gigabyte Aero 15X v8 tend to roar under load. Here you notice the disadvantages of the thin design.


Noise level idle

Noise level load

Noise level speaker
Dell should also still screw on the fan control in idle mode. Although the fans are in the ideal case completely quiet, so that one hears only a subtle noise of the HDD, but the cooling jumps like suddenly and gives the same full throttle. The latter phenomenon happens mostly without any reason (keyword utilization).


As you clearly can see... You got what you asked for. Forget high performance with Apple similar design. Won't happen. Alienware walked the other road vs the other OEM's... They increased the laptop footprint but decreased the thickness. 15,6 inches chassis in 17,3 footprint design is a strange solution. And they hoped this would work well for the cooling (see the back/rear fatness of the notebook). Maybe the Dell hardware designers should start doing something else?

Video from XPS performance... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...950h-coffee-lake.810891/page-80#post-10741868

 

Your Clevo at 100% fan's full load wins the noise award over any of the BGA laptops you've been dissing. Which you must do for every benchmark run to get the best results.

Do you wear hearing protection?

It's tough to get honest recordings of Clevo's under full load or 100% fans, because they are so embarrassingly loud, but here is one from this review (where is HTWingNut?):

Sager NP9873 / Clevo P870DM3 Quick Review by HTWingNut
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/sager-np9873-clevo-p870dm3-quick-review-by-htwingnut.795187/

Listen starting at 06:50 for 100% fans under benchmark load, and at 02:25 during idle with 100% fan.

Sager NP9873 / Clevo P870DM3 Fan Noise and Cooling
htwingnut

Microphone recordings and db meter's don't do justice when attempting to convey the hurricane level forces emitted by the fans under 100% fan speed load.

dylaaan choi 1 year ago
"i also have this laptop and this noise is always driving me crazy. so i crash this laptop using my golf club. based on true story"

陈厚邻 1 year ago
"My unit seems to have cooling issues, my NP9873 just arrived yesterday and its CPU will hit 99C when running AIDA64 FPU stress test. 10% thermal throttling and even with all the fan maxed, the temperature is still 90C+. Is it because of a poor thermal paste application? Shall I redo it myself? Thanks a lot."

RS x 1 year ago
"I had the same Problem with my 6700K. Only thermal Paste didn`t help a lot. But after delidding it and putting it together with liquid metal, i can even OC a bit without thermal problems. I think that's the best way to go. ;-)"

RS x 1 year ago
"The only other thing is what was shown in the Video, you can undervolt it."

陈厚邻 1 year ago
"Intel is to blame here. Crappy thermal paste instead of solder to make more money from us, and personally I trashed my 6700K when delidding it so I'm pretty anti-Intel now."

XTREME PC GAMER 1 year ago (edited)
"that is suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper loud..... = vacuum cleaner ..... That presents a real problem brother."

XTREME PC GAMER 1 year ago (edited)
"This Laptop should include a Headphone set! However one must use a Sound system to connect to this with ultra base to block out the noise factor. .... Still, is a beasty laptop. Just was suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper loud."

 

It seems You have forgot I still have the +3 years old Clevo P870DM-G (5v fans) although I have upgraded to today's 8th gen unlocked LGA Coffee Lake But still have more Cpu performance than +99% of laptops out there. Now we are in middle of 2018 and not much have changed.

 

Aww, don't be shy, your laptop @ 100% fan speed and 100% load during benchmarking is just as loud as the one in HTWingNut's video.

 

I'm not sure if you have heard the difference between the 5v vs, 12v fans Clevo use. I expect the reviewers out there have good enough tools to measure the difference And as you know... Noise is increased with last gen notebooks.

But if I coud have a choice... I would go for the faster and more noisy 12v fans

 

Those noise levels they measured were at auto-fan's, not 100% fans which I know you turn on for benchmarking to get the best numbers, cause we all know you are all about the numbers.

So why can't you admit to this number?

I've been around full load 100% fan high power Clevo's for many years before you bought your laptop, and they have all been so loud they get banned from cubicle use, and are forced to run in closed rooms or data centers for compute work.

LGA Clevo's are all too loud at 100% load / 100% fan speed to be around human's without ear protection.

It makes far more sense to put desktop CPU's in desktops with nice silent cases, or in server form to run in sealed server rooms. That way you can run desktop CPU's at 100% load without all that noise pollution in the human living space.

Trying to put desktop CPU's into a laptop is far worse than these BGA thin laptops. And, much much louder.

 

Maybe search the forum. You can't compare the 5v fans with the latest 12v fans for P870 series notebooks. If you are intersted, maybe also hit up MSI and several other brands notebook models and see how they perform (Noise - performance). I'm sure you will see the same as me And for the records... Running todays clock speeds (stock) wont make noticeable noise from my laptop. Overclocking is another matter. And I don't talk about a <massive overclock> clock speed around +-4.4GHz on all 6 cores.

 

Thin BGA 8750h+gtx1060 (tongfang)
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schen...-GTX-1060-Full-HD-Laptop-Review.315660.0.html




Medium BGA 8300h+gtx1060 max-q (dell)
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-...060-Max-Q-SSD-IPS-Laptop-Review.312816.0.html




Medium LGA 8700+gtx1060 (clevo)
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-Apex-15-Clevo-N950TP6-Laptop-Review.301664.0.html

 

Again, auto-fans, not full load 100% fan settings, which you benchmarkers all run to get the numbers to brag about.

You can't quote low noise numbers for cooling at auto-fans and at the same time quote high benchmark numbers while under 100% fan's, they are mutually exclusive realities.

Here's the reality of the Clevo LGA fan noise when running 100% load and 100% fans while benchmarking:

Listen starting at 06:50 for 100% fans under benchmark load, and at 02:25 during idle with 100% fan.

Sager NP9873 / Clevo P870DM3 Fan Noise and Cooling
htwingnut


Sager NP9873 / Clevo P870DM3 Quick Review by HTWingNut
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/sager-np9873-clevo-p870dm3-quick-review-by-htwingnut.795187/

 

What's the point of testing at 100% fans if my laptop works with autofans normally?

 

Yes, you are right that the LGA clevos have higher noise levels under load, but you have to factor in the other relevant data (clocks and power draw).

If you limit that clevo to the performance level of a BGA laptop, you won't need max fans on clevo. At the same power draw, if you sacrifice good temperatures for less fan noise, the clevo laptop should have lower noise levels than a relatively slim BGA laptop.

 

Bragging about the high performance results from your LGA laptops require highest clocks and highest cooling to attain, so the noise level you run those laptops at 100% load and 100% benchmark load is the normal operating mode behind every one of those results.

LGA laptops at 100% fans + 100% load full performance are far and away louder than any thin BGA laptop.

Here's the reality of the Clevo LGA fan noise when running 100% load and 100% fans while benchmarking:

Listen starting at 06:50 for 100% fans under benchmark load, and at 02:25 during idle with 100% fan.

Sager NP9873 / Clevo P870DM3 Fan Noise and Cooling
htwingnut


Sager NP9873 / Clevo P870DM3 Quick Review by HTWingNut
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/sager-np9873-clevo-p870dm3-quick-review-by-htwingnut.795187/

 

I don't need to defend nothing bro Hmscott. Up to you how you want to interpret the numbers. If you don't trust old Poopusan, Oh'well I can't do much about that. But I'm honest in ALL my posting. Always!! If you see something not correct from me, Please tag me, put in an PM or just post. I have PM open if some need good advices what they should buy!! I don't use the well known ignoring list. Have never done.


I put in this. I'm sure you take it as a Joke


And don't click

 

haven't laughed this hard since I saw somebody try to tell me an AW with an i9 destroys a Clevo with a delidedd 8700k

 

How do you know if you are laughing, when your fans are so loud?

 

Have you seen all the reviews of the Coffee lake notebooks jokes (noise - performance)? Seen all the terrible bench scores? I have been on longer summer vacations in paradise as you probably know, but the the numbers are not lying/wrong. Want quiet laptop... Buy a Iphone from Apple. I bough a Iphone X last month Even with 256GB "Dronning" silent. I have even problem find it when it's "ON".

 

Simple, my AW 17 idles at around a low buzz, and cranks up a tad to effectively cool the CPU+GPU, instead of having to run the fans at max because the engineers though that one heatpipe was enough for a 1080

 

To be fair, a 1080 is far harder to cool than any mobile GPU before it.

 

And youre just proving my point

 

Hmmm, load maximum 62dB.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-G...-HD-Laptop-Review.303182.0.html#toc-emissions

 

Independent of fan noise, we need to remember that there is a premium price for the i9.....quite a big one, for the the power and thermal throttling mess it delivers.

 

i9-8950HK Recommended Customer Price$583.00

 

How does that even make sense???