Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

And, dont forget the clevo wont throttle, like AW, btw what is the limitof 7820hk to OC at max?

 

only if its prem's bios mods.

 

Still, idont think clevo will go with i9 bga, knowing that their lga outperforms any bga(including i9), why would they go for a crap bga?
Anyways i9 bga wont be cheap, if msi puts it in their titans, boom 6000$!

 

Eh? What tripod anyways?

 

3 screws to fit HSF for CPU. I have 4 screws to make sure the HSF will stay put.

 

And, that was with 4c/8t, you're gonna want 1.5x that power for 6c/12t... maybe 95w-115w...that's gonna take some real cooling power up from 45w.

 

That should be the ideal value but OEMs/Intel won't let you break that TDP barrier for better battery life.

 

Considering almost no one uses these desktop replacement gaming laptops on battery alone that seems foolish to do in the first place.

 

3 screw on heatsink, uneven pressure, bad temp difference, bad performance

used by companies who skimp on materials and compromise user experience for maximum profit (alienware, razer, dell, etc)

 

What a question Want to learn more about TRIPOD ? Read the whole thread.

Next level on maximize the profit is most likely using glue containing thermal paste

 

Oh, i knew about that crap heatsink, just didnt knew people call it tripod!

I call it the Tri-Why?! heatsink from Dellienware!

 

It's a reason it's called TRIPOD!!

 

It literally took me 5minutes to figure out that dog has 3 legs! Anyways, dell better be fixing this crap with r5, or they're done selling notebooks!

 

Wasn't the meaning you should count the tail

 

Hasee Z7M-CP7GT (clevo n850) with i7-8750H
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5537745402
http://www.g.com.cn/digital/28504879/

 

ASUS ROG G703GI-E5006T with i7-8750H
http://www.hangchinhhieu.vn/san-pham/asus-rog-g703gi-e5006t-13053-392

 

G should be for Coffe Lake H

http://ns2.rustend.com/notification...-bx410ua-k510un-ux3490uar-ux561un-103543.html

A542UQ, BX310UA, BX410UA, K510UN, UX3490UAR, UX561UN, X542UN, UX310UF, UX410UF, GX501GI, GX501GS, GM501GS, GM501GM, G703GI, G703GS, GL703GS, GL703GM, GL703GE, GL503GE, GL503GS, GL503GM, FX504GD, UX550GD, UX550GE, UX550GDX, UX550GEX, UX391UA, N705UF, N580GD, S410UF, S510UF, x542UF, X510UF, X705UB, X705UF, X705MB, X705MA, X570UD, X507UA, X507UB, X507MA, X541UB, X540UB, X540MB, X540MA, X540UP, X570ZD, X505ZA

 

i7-8850h sisoft
http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_d...b18cbd9bf3cefbdda598a98fea8fb282a4d7ead2&l=en

 

http://quasarzone.co.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=qn_hardware&wr_id=120540
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14858707

 

I think the closer we get to 2nd April we get, the more leaks we are going to get.


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https://videocardz.com/75073/intel-core-i9-8950hk-spotted

 

Isn't it wonderful how Intel has so quickly failed to fix and is not going to release CPU hardware unaffected by the Spectre and Meltdown security failures?

Why continue to buy Intel insecure broken architecture CPU's?? We already own enough of them!!

Why buy faster versions of the same broken architecture?? Come on people, wake up!!

Those aren't the CPU's you are looking for...but, these may be:

Intel CEO: New Products that Tackle Meltdown, Spectre Threats Coming this Year
https://www.darkreading.com/endpoin...30920?_mc=rss_x_drr_edt_aud_dr_x_x-rss-simple"

"In an earnings call yesterday, Intel CEO Brian Krzanich says security remains a 'priority' for the microprocessor company.

Intel CEO Brian Krzanich told analysts in the company's earnings call yesterday that Intel will unveil new products "later this year" that mitigate the Meltdown and Spectre vulnerabilities"

...really?, this year?? Like December 31st at 11:59:59??

CPU Vulnerabilities, Meltdown and Spectre, Kernel Page Table Isolation Patches, and more
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...patches-and-more.812424/page-82#post-10682901

 

As long AMD can’t compete with equal or better performance (stock and oc’d), nothing will really be changed. Up to AMD taking the chance taking over Intel’s hegemony/market shares. Or better, up the performance

 

Intel's broken architecture CPU's are worthless now, and even worth less in the future when new architecture CPU's are released, because by then - no one will buy them.

If you want to buy worthless garbage, with an assured value of Zero in the future, then buy computers with Intel CPU's now.

Fast worthless garbage is still worthless garbage.

 

We will see how it ends in end of this or next year. But I won’t buy the spring’s coming processors from Intel

 

Smart, see I knew you knew Intel was selling garbage.

Intel has a long history of making garbage (10+ years of garbage security CPU's!!), getting garbage for their cheating ways (BBMP), and now selling "new" garbage security CPU's once again. Linus Torvalds calls Intel CPU's and Security fixes "Garbage".

BBMP Threatens To Dump Garbage In Intel Office In Bangalore

Published on Aug 10, 2016
The Bengaluru Municipal Corporation has come out with a very novel idea by dumping garbage on the properties of those who are not paying the property taxes. They have threatened Intel technologies India in Bengaluru of dumping garbage inside its premises if the firm didn't pay up the pending taxes.

 

Yeah, I wouldn’t touch coming processors this spring with a ten foot pole

 

Well papusan I'm sure you will install W10 spring update.
I never got that news from BBMP

 

Yeah, wow seems like harsh penalties are required to remedy situations there. I found another story, demolishing homes built on local utility access land + more on the Intel earns garbage for cheating on property taxes story in this video:

Property Tax Collection: BBMP Dumps Garbage In Front Of Intel Office In Bengaluru

 

I won't be the first man on new OS build. In same way as have done it before. Late on new OS, drivers, Win Updates and software. Same for new hardware. Only higher Performance can push me to be one of the first to upgrade. Not nasty new features from the Redmond Morons. But this will never happen, bro Vasudev... Everything will be as before, just with more trash!! No gain and I will come late as usual

 

I'm ROFLing so hard at the BBMP news. Surprised I did not hear of it earlier. Finally Siddaramiah doing something useful


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I will await results from Phoenix and yours as well. Then, I'll upgrade, its been a year since I upgraded Windows 10. Hopefully in 2019 I will finally install xubuntu 18 lts.

I think he found a new dumping yard which is private owned.

 

Haha at least he didn't dump it in Bellandur Lake.


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Anyway, need a bit of advice here. Assuming I use a laptop primarily for gaming and other stuff like web browsing and I want it to last for 2-3yrs, (I am eyeing a GT75VR), would CFL-H provide sufficiently better performance than an OC'd 7820HK? Is it worth waiting for the hexa-core processors for gaming? Please give advice. @hmscott @Papusan @Phoenix @Falkentyne @Donald@HIDevolution @Kevin@GenTechPC and anyone else - please give me advice guys.


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Hexacores are already out.
They've been out for a few months now.
You want the Clevo P870 TM-G with a delidded and binned 8700K CPU
if you order it from HIDEvolution you will get a prema bios, which will ensure that your CPU will not be throttled by any cancer Bios or Embedded Controllers. If you try buying it elsewhere, you're going to be throttling if you try to exceed 4.6 ghz.

And there is already a chart over on overclock.net (maybe here too) which shows the real world benefits of a 6 core 12 thread CPU vs a 4 core 8 thread, in that new Kingdom Come RPG game.
They even have 4 core 4 thread and 6 core 6 thread there too.

tl;dr: 50% improvement in raw CPU limited perfromance.

The GT75VR is NOT a bad machine. However:
1) it came out 6 months too late (was released in China three months before the 6 core chips became available for purchase--that's a VERY Bad time slot. MSI should have just waited on this release until the 8920HK was available.

2) the GT75VR has the best laptop keyboard out. The only thing better was the full per key RGB keyboards in the 7820HK 1080 SLI versions of the GT83VR, with Cherry MX Speed mechanical switches (older versions had red LED only). But anyone worth their salt can just buy their own mech anyway. And if you're hooking up the laptop to a desktop monitor, you will probably have the lid closed anyway and will thus be using an external keyboard anyway.

3) typical for jokebooks: cancer EC and bios power limit restrictions prevent you from drawing "too much" power. Clevo is no better without a Prema Bios, which is why you buy from HIDevolution.

That being said, jokebooks to jokebooks, ignoring and disregarding the "Hinge" problems and the "AC jack weak solder/breaking" connection problems from the GT72S and GT80s days, MSI probably is king of the turdbooks. They actually have a very nice factory, probably better than anyone else, which is not surprising, since they're 2nd in size only to Asus, and have been making their own mainboards for decades. Still doesn't excuse the buggy GTX 1070 1.0 revision cards, terrible RMA Quality (unless you actually manage to reach someone who knows how to reproduce your issue and gets you a properly fixed or new replacement, but Asus had the same problem, when RMA's went through their Indiana (??) warehouse, which had irresponsible teenagers and college kids butchering hardware and RMA's, unless you actually got someone at their Fremont, California office to handle the work), but whatever.

tl;dr: get a clevo 870 TM-G series from HIDevolution with the GTX 1080 and delidded 8700K CPU.

 

6 cores i7-8700K and P870TM(With or without SLI). And buy from a Prema partner. No point in looking further

 

Thanks a lot for the help guys.

(Disclaimer - I have zero experience in repasting laptops. Yup, you read it right, zero. I don't want to start learning on a 3k+ laptop that I will be buying.)

@hmscott - since I'm buying with the desire for it to last at least 3yrs, and I game heavily, a 1080 makes sense to me.

@Falkentyne @Papusan - I find that the P870TM1 is too heavy to practically carry about (I am not the strongest guy out there). I am looking at the P775TM1 instead. Just one question, will the PSU be able to handle a 190W MXM card plus at least 100W+ CPU. It looks borderline to me. Temperatures are a very major concern too, that's why I'm considering the GT75VR/GT73VR (More portable than the GT75VR, but still a fairly good keyboard). And also, correct me if I'm wrong, but Svet at the MSI forum will give you a modded BIOS for a small donation, IIRC. So it may be worth waiting for the hexa-core processors to hit the GT75VR/GT73VR and then buying it? And I will very much be using it as a laptop so the keyboard is a major plus.

Question for all - Will the GTX 1080 (with a hexa-core) be enough for AAA games at 1080p 120hz / 1440p 120hz for the next 3 years if I'm willing to turn settings down a bit? Will waiting for the GTX 2080 be worth it for I'm only looking to use the one I choose at 1080p for 3years, considering that the 2080 may only come in August/September?

Currently I am stuck with an Asus UX305LA ultrabook (1.75 yrs old, given to me as a hand me down) and my old desktop is toast (PSU issue which also fried processor and GPU).

Thanks guys.




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Hexacore is still not needed for most games, IDK if it's worth it yet in H CPU's, with limited power to 45w now shared between 6 cores and 12 threads vs 4 cores and 8 threads. It could be the single core speed will be higher on those H CPU's with 4 cores than 6 cores, it's an unknown for now.

New CPU's, new chipset's, new motherboards, new everything, you don't want to be the first to get one, there are always problems, sometimes fatal and with a long tail to resolution. With new releases like that it's best for wait 3-6 months for production issues and design issues to get worked through before buying.

The other problem is we don't know how the Spectre and Meltdown + variants firmware / microcode will be inflicted on new Intel CPU's, whether it can be disabled or not, at least with the 7820HK it's a known - you can disable it when you want the performance and enable it when you want the security.

Again, I have a hard time recommending any Intel CPU right now, if I didn't, I'd say get the known 7820HK and start enjoying your laptop right now.

 

330w should be enough. It can handle higher power than this (long time use +-350w from the wall). Peak up to +400w.

 

Thanks for the advice. I think as soon as I finish paying off my exorbitant medical bills, I will reassess the market and buy whatever is best for me at the time.


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Quanta NL5T
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/7235489

 

Thanks for the link Brother @sicily428.

It performs worse than I expected it would. That is not too good for 6C/12T.

https://browser.geekbench.com/user/25054

 

I think 8xxxH is a very measly upgrade rather than hefty much needed upgrade for BGA. I'm disappointed with BGA results.
Mr. Fox I am doing an experiment in nvidia inspector by disabling forced p2 state for CUDA at driver level, for betetr geekbench scores.
Anyway, this is BGA laptop and mom's iphone result. https://browser.geekbench.com/user/152038
Earlier Mom's phone perf. was worse 2xxx on single core and 4xxx-5000 on multi core. Had to do fair amount of tweaking to get current scores. Hey, try Wondershare Safe eraser it really helped removing Apple telemetry logs and other tracking logs. And it compresses photos too. After compression it stores old photos as temp files so use Bleachbit with winapp2.ini and clean that Wondershare Safe eraser option in bleachbit.

 

I think BGA is always going to be predisposed to being disappointing because the people that build BGA notebooks and their target audience are a disappointing lot. With the unhealthy focus on selling thin and light trashbooks, they cannot really deliver amazing performance because the form factor is physically incapable of supporting amazing performance. So, they resort to gimmicks and deceptive workarounds to make people think they might be getting something awesome in a thin and light package.

My work iPhone is locked down for enterprise compliance and I cannot do any tweaking or tuning with it. But, even if it were not I probably would not do much with it because I have nothing but contempt for Apple trash. As much hateful rantings as I do about the Redmond Mafia and the Windoze OS X abortion, I still choose their rectal cancer OS over Apple's poison filth. If it were up to me I would have an Android phone for work rather than an iPhone. The option is not available.

 

You install the wondersafe safe eraser on windows and iphone will ask for passcode to give R/W access to ur lappie or desktop and select the option you need and rest is history. I was able to get rid off 800MB of telemetry.

 

Well, that might work going the other direction (PC to iPhone). But, at the same time, I have nothing to care about protecting on the iPhone. It has nothing personal of mine on it and all of the online stuff passes through company-owned VPN tunnels. So, there is nothing of my own that I need to protect. Other than a random photo of something that does not need to be safeguarded, I use the iPhone only when I have to for the sole purpose of doing my job. I despise small screens and touch input, and loathe mobile web design, so I go out of my way to avoid using it for email or web browsing whenever humanly possible.

 

But it tracks every move including when you pull the iphone on and off the charger, track your location with detailed info, battery stats, recent contacts whom you contacted frequently, app/iphone telemetry, your SMS, your phone history and in one word everything you do even locking/unlocking the phone is tracked and sent to apple with your device id and partial model number.

 

Its almost a joke..

Smells like agressive downclocking.

 

Or maybe throttling.
Looks like @unclewebb needs to spend money on buying CFL-HQ chip based lappies for extensive testing to remove firmware imposed limits!