Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

I edited my post above. Current AW mess... The Aw17R5 is heavier than what I posted. 4.42Kg. It seems Alienware’s engineers think less is more But of course... This means cheaper shipping costs for Dell. Every penny counts!

 

Please post the link, and we can use google translate to read it... and you can too.

I use the google translation built into Chrome and plugin's elsewhere.

 

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Cool, thanks for posting that, but I don't know how to get the google translate to work with a photo, I think it will / can - but I haven't done it.

I only text copy / paste or feed it a URL, that's why I was hoping there was a link to a web site.

I guess someone with the right keyboard could type in the chars, but I don't have that.

Please, can anyone read that and translate it for us?

 

I missed one character because it was too blurry for me to read.
-dspboys

 

Wow nice work!


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The Area-51m is now available on the Dell Canada website.


I sincerely hope this is just a place holder and this isn’t the actual configuration options - if so this thing is a joke.


https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/cty/pdp/spd/alienware-17-area51m-laptop/na17a51m_s2e


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I'm getting broken / missing links, it's probably being put together right now, which isn't that unusual for new product releases these days, short staff and spread thin, running at the edge right up to release.

That's why I suggest never buying at initial release. Wait for a month or two, be patient and watch for problems reported by new owners, see which options are worth it, see what changes occur over the time you watch to see if the model is succeeding or not, then decide whether to invest your own money.

It's always disappointing to watch eager new buyers rush in before knowing what to expect, and having teething problems that production would work out over the first few months - or not - especially with new integration of new components in a new design.

Buy tried and stable models that have incremental updates if you are the kind of person that demands some level of "perfection", as that is elusive in complex devices, there will always be something less than optimal, and rather than making it a game to find them and complain - instead make it a game to figure out how to live with it - if possible and it doesn't affect your real need and use.

Being OCD + new design laptop + optimizing cooling and performance tuning is a sure recipe for a black hole of lost life down a rat-hole.

If you can figure out how to enjoy what you have, that's really the key to happiness.

 

Don't get your hopes too high, they pulled the same stunt 5 or 6 years ago with the 4790k only to release another product.

 

I think this link is more of what you're looking for - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ts-video-articles.826767/page-8#post-10844035

 

Meanwhile in the corporate world: People are re-learning some hard truths XD

To quote:

 

"105C thermal limit anything below is not out of spec"? Sounds like a scam... I've never seen a temp above 99C on any laptop I've ever pushed beyond its cooling limits and its throttling within 2 sec of a full load.

Would be interesting to see if its tripping a thermal limit while hitting those "only 98C" temps...

 

Hmm.. interesting.. I have heard that the I7-8750H, which is in most of the gaming laptops I have seen thus far, runs extremely hot... I have read and watched countless reviews of trhe Alienware M15 that comes equipped with only this chip at the moment and it constantly hit the 100 Degrees Celsius Mark.. Alarming..very Alarming.. I heard somewhere that it would come with an I5 CPU but I am unsure which generation or variant... Downgrading to an I5 would surely keep the temps lower, right? And what effect would it have on gaming? would I still be able to maximize settings and get good FPS, especially if I pair it with a decent GPU, like should we say a GTX 1070 MAX Q in the AW M15?

 

Old Ivy Bridge architecture had 105C thermal limit. And Skylake, Kaby and Coffee, all have 100C. Peak up to 100c for todays processors is well within normal if you have the Alienwares


See... This is within specs


This as well Maybe not 100% correct sensors but nice seeing 103C. Not everyday you see that.


And people should follow good advices...

 

Yes...the manufacturers say that 100C is the new 'normal'.

I guess if you need to use that much horsepower, you better be ready for the 'heat'...if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Test how high it will go in short bursts, then go Balanced Mode, and enjoy the best performance we have seen to date.

 

I got one of the very last OP-PL2's (15.6") from Walmart at the $799 USD price point this past December 29, 2018, right before they went out of stock. Couldn't be happier. The thing is a beast.

First thing I did - I brought the i7-8750H to heel, using ThrottleStop... tweaked the vCore & cache voltages down by .125mv, (and checked a couple other boxes) and it benchmarks and games thru the roof, while remaining cool as the proverbial cucumber.

Next I went to Amazon & picked up 2x8GB Kingston HyperX DDR4-2666 @ CL15 sticks of RAM (to run dual channel) to replace the single 16GB CL19 non-name stick. The laptop was fast before, but now everything in Windows 10 - especially the Desktop - just flies...has a visual and very fluid "snap" to it...hard to explain. Almost like the Win10 Desktop & apps were running at 35FPS in single channel mode...now it's like 70+FPS.

Benchmarks are also around 6% - 16% higher after going dual channel (GeekBench, Cinebench R15, prime95, & Passmark).

I also added a 512GB Samsung Evo 970 SSD to the M.2 NVMe slot for apps & stuff. Once I get everything backed up onto the 1TB spinner, I'll wipe the M.2 SATA 256GB SSD and run Windows 10 Pro and Manjaro Linux 18 dual-boot off it. (SATA3 and NVMe SSDs have roughly the same boot times).

I also verified the 180W power brick puts out 180W, and not 150.

This laptop scored a 1,289 in Cinebench R15 multicore. In Geekbench 4.3.2 for Linux (Manjaro 18) it scored 5,655 on the single core, and 23,364 multicore. PubG, CS:GO and Battlefield V all run at high to ultra settings, lowest frame rate hovers around 58 fps, highs around 98, and the GTX-1060 6GB never goes over 68°C.

The keyboard is fine...I have zero complaints with it. Very smooth, solid and responsive...not super-clicky at all. I turned off all the wavy fanboi RGB stuff, have it set to a nice, static aquamarine blue (same with the LED bar in front). The LG 144Hz 15.6" screen is perfect, no backlight bleed anywhere.

My only caveat/warning is: Don't mess with the RGB keyboard settings in the BIOS...if you change it and save it, it blows some component on the motherboard (maybe a fuse, a diode, or a MOSFET? who knows...) and you lose your RGB backlighting for good. No way to turn it back on. Use only the Windows 10 app to change the RGB keyboard lighting!

This is just the coolest damned laptop I've ever owned, and I've owned about 10 of them (including a very high-end MSI with i7-7700HQ & GTX-1050ti) - I sold 5, and still have 5 running great (all core i7's). This one's a keeper for sure.

- Trev

 

And you shoul add in this as well.... The new *normal* is pay more for less! Disgusting!


340 Euro extra charge for less power | Apple MacBook Pro 15 - Core i9 slower than Core i7! Notebookcheck.net | 22.01.2019

When Apple sold the MacBook Pro 15 with the new 6-core CPUs, there were many negative headlines around power delivery, especially with the new i9 processor. We tested the i7 at that time and after several extensive software updates you got at least the i7 under control, but the i9 continues to disappoint...

And yeah, sir. 100C is the new *normal*.

Some more hard truths.

 

Yeah. How in Hell will this slim Alienware m15 chassis and cooling being able to cool unlocked i9-8950Hk even stock when it's already struggle to cool the fully locked down 6 cores i7-8750H running 3.2-3.4GHz? And what with the adverticed 5.0GHz overclock? Be sure you have some popcorn ready when the reviews is out It will be

Alienware m15: Dell announces a new configuration with a Core i9-8950HK, an RTX 2080 Max-Q and a 144 Hz display


Btw. The newly released bigger Alienware m17 already have big problems cool the i9-8950Hk at stock.

 

Ooopsies: Intel have briefly leaked their own document outlining the 9th series mobile chip lineup and a relative performance rating



https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-9th-gen-h-series-cpu-specs,38623.html

Page on Intel website they came from: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005755/processors.html

The document has now been replaced with an earlier version that only shows 8th gen now.

The briefly uploaded January 2019 document lists the "i9-9980HK" at up to 5.0Ghz
- but the "CTP" performance metric compared to i9-9900K is horrible

If a 9900K is 705,000, and it's spec is 4.7GHz all core turbo / 3.6Ghz base clock
Then the 470,000 for the mobile 9980HK indicates exactly 2/3 of the throughput, so a 3.13ghz all core turbo or, more likely because it is a round number... 2.4Ghz base clock.

I9-8950HK is ~431000 for comparison, less than 10% behind...

 

i9-9980HK behind i5-9600K. Oof.

 

Yeah, looks fake to me too.

 

I think you need to use the numbers (to compare) with i9 or i7 series. Or with equal amount cores/threads.

 

Surprised to see my 3920XM still on that list

 

Whatever this CTP metric is based on, it doesn't seem to take into account HT (9700K scores same as 9900K)

I don't see a single reason to think it's fake. It's some kind of export declaration document, it looks like Intel briefly uploaded a 31/01/2019 rev 0.3 that included the "new" 9000 series Skylake-X and Coffee Lake R chips (including the KFs) as well as the Coffee Lake H. It's now replaced with rev 0.2 from August 18 but the Intel.com page still shows the version details for the rev 0.3 document

 

Our Core i9 verdict: It’s just not worth it on laptops. FYI. We talk about BGA!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-2019.826781/page-48#post-10869804

 

Yeah, Alienware have now added in the long announced unlocked i9-8950Hk for their ALIENWARE M15. And as expected also changed how they will handle and resolving coming overheating problems.

How Dell will handle and resolving temperature concerns. Dell engineering has designed the systems to tolerate higher temperatures...

 

It's a feature!

 

Yipee!!! New free feature to mask bad cooling even after paying 2-3k$

 

Talk about love for it's 1th born brand (the stepchild gets more attention).... Dell's cheaper XPS models with older 7th generation Intel CPU is able to supports up to 64GB of RAM. But no love for Alienware 17R5 with the newer 8th gen i9-8950Hk.



@Mr. Fox Again, Why pay more for less?

 

And the new 'normal' is only provide info to the screwed that tell him this ain't a flaw. Just the 'normal'. Why should the tech support help him with more than this (Just talk)? Info is better than nothing But this Dell tech support failed hard... He can't even see the screwed one even tried Undervolt with no better results. Todays Normal?

 

It seems Dell PCs can handle 105-150C comfortably w/o meltdown!

 

And you wonder how they get results like these.

 

More RTX and Max-Q with last gen Core i7 Mobile. Alienware m15 RTX Review by Unboxed...

 

Dell's cooling is just so bad. You can see it on G5's Special Edition - the bottom has very small air intake area and tiny side exhausts. Alienware m15 has larger side exhausts but it looks like bottom intake is still too restrictive.

 

That's basically it.

An approach they should've taken is to use the upper surface as a vent grille, similar to what the Zephyrus M (GM501GS-XS74) has done.
That's unused estate that could be put to use in cooling this behemoth.

 

Alienware m15 does have upper intake, you can see the mesh covering it above keyboard and you can see holes when you remove fans and heatsink. I think it's still not large enough since according to video there's still a big temperature difference when you raise the rear of laptop.

 

it's a stupid question, but has anywone having an m15 tried benchmark it without the back cover to see if there is any improvement ?

 

The ergonomics of the keyboard being that far forward are not for everyone.

What the Zephyrus does do well are the clips attached to the display casing near the hinges that elevate the base up when the laptop is open, but recede to being flush with the base when closed.

Case naked is always better for temps. Hwunboxed review shows the benefit from just jacking up the rear to free up the air intakes. I suppose you could get the same effect using the power brick, with some adhesive grommets or velcro to keep the laptop in place

 

The bigger Alienware BGA brother is up for a short initiation.

Just arrived: Alienware m17 and unlocked i9-8950Hk in review notebookreview.com | April 13, 2019

Dell's full-frontal refresh of its popular Alienware 17 series is significantly leaner and more portable. It does, however, sacrifice some features along the way that Alienware purists may miss. We list the major changes here based on our hands-on review of the newer model.

The 17.3-inch Alienware m17 is a spin-off of the Alienware 17 with the looks and design of the 15.6-inch Alienware m15. The end result is an "Alienware 17 Lite" as the m17 has omitted some hardware features in order to offer such a small form factor.

And no changes in thermals vs it's smaller brother Alienware m15. Red as only red can be

Alienware m17 when running Witcher 3

And yeah, the locked down i7-8750H in same m17 chassis doesn't help much... Maybe a 4 core Mobile i5 would be better?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/bct94v/insane_thermals_on_the_ultrathin_alienware_m17/

 

Well, the defect is found on every dell laptops. Its working as per design and 100C isn't that much, if its 150C at idle and max load then you will need to repaste and repaste or even throw it at Dell HQ doormat to accept their faulty hardware that doesn't work as intended!

 

Feel free to create the thread for coming Mobile Throttling mess! Learn also the new word... MuscleBooks!

Intel’s 9th Generation Core Mobile Processors: 45W H-Series



Prices...

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=191045,191047,192987,192990

 

LOL, another 45W TDP. People who has 8950HK will barely notice any changes!

 

Lower base clocks

 

Yeah that's good. Reminds me of my ivybridge and skylake base clocks.

 

I think that is a typo. It should read "MusselBook" and here is a nice recipe for getting the most from your mussels.

 

That will be the standard clock once it gets put in garbage like the Macbook Pro, 2.4GHz is almost as slow as a 1st gen mobile i7.

 

Ever notice how the turdbook makers are great with oxymorons? There's one right there, LOL.

Everybody loves jumbo shrimp.

 

The notebook manufacturers didn't lear anything from last years Throttling mess. They just continue with slimming down the chassis... Maybe the buyers of this Tragedy once again will put the blame on Intel for the overheating or and throttling mess? Will they ever learn?

ROG:REDEFINE 2019 | The new Asus Zephyrus M GU502 is more powerful yet slimmer compared to last year's ROG GU501GM

The Asus Zephyrus M GU502 offers up to date internals with the Core i7-9750H and RTX 2060/1660 Ti GPU options. The new generation is also slimmer than last year's GU501GM and sports slimmer display bezels and an overall lighter yet sturdy chassis.

End results....

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/20/intel_core_i9_performance_in_dell_apple_laptops/

 

Intel Core i7-9750H vs Core i7-8750H Benchmarked, Why Does This New CPU Exist!?
Hardware Unboxed
Published on May 21, 2019
Intel Core i7-9750H vs Core i7-8750H Benchmarked, Why Does This New CPU Exist!?

 

What a Joke. Look at the blue line showing i7-9750H. Perform even lower than it's predecessor. A single peek up into the sky and fall right into the ground like a shot bird