Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

Why not? Its their top tier notebook afterall!

Well, even if they release the new cards, it'll take time to get it to mobile formfactor. And i suspect pcie gen4 MUST kick in now.

 

Please read my posts before and after

 

It's a shame MSI castrates pretty good VRM's and MXM slot with cancer firmware. Can't wait for BGA throttle on 6 cores with more than 2 cinebench runs
I'll upgrade to either 8 core Clevo Premabios Laptop *OR* 6 core Clevo with the new Nvidia cards. If my BGA vomitbook breaks I'll get the 6 core Clevo with 1080 right now. But I think since 4900 mhz and 195W GTX 1070 is strong enough I'll see what happens with the new cards first and Clevos first.

But it definitely won't be a MSI.
And I don't trust the 6 core MSI barebones either. The 16L13 was limited to 91W because the bios power limit overrides didn't do anything because of the "EC RAM register E3" "feature".
It would be really sad if the MSI barebones 6 core were also limited to CPU TDP with bios power limits ignored....

 

tbh i think something there is seriously wrong and going by process of elimination, i'd say contact between die and heatsink, or the fan isnt spinning fast enough to dissipate heat.

going from 680 or even 780m at around 100-110w GPU with a GPU heatsink as small as m18xR2, theres no way MSI's GPU heatsink can't cool it, that thing is about twice the size in terms of capacity so expecting 190-200w. only explanation here would be poor contact, or fan isnt spinning fast enough to rid of it because of dumb EC/firmware/ fan table etc.

these OEM/ODM knows people complain about noise, so made the fan reactive and doesn't spin until temp reaches like 80-82C which then fan start to slowly spin up, by then temp already shoot up towards 85-90C, not saying hardware can't handle that heat. they can trade a bit of noise for additional 10C and problem would be solved, 75-80c for many is more than acceptable for abit of noise.

 

Can you link to the webpage, and to @Papusan 's post where he was mad about it?

 

It's earlier in this thread, Donald.
And Master Papusan is 'mad' because he hates BGA And hates BGA with insufficient cooling and 3 phases even more XD

 

Ok, we'll have to wait for the release to know for sure.

 

It's actually all over the web now.
I can't find the english post and I'm playing videogames so not going to search for the original one.
But here's one:

http://www.tomshardware.fr/articles/titan-gt83vr-msi-ordinateur-portable-coffee-lake,1-66993.html

 

From your tomshardware link, this is only an opinion "The founder still releasing a Core i9-8950H and those who seek absolute performance will surely wait until a machine uses the chip before making a purchase if so." (from Google translate.)

Not saying it will, or won't. I am just saying we need to wait until release to be sure.

 

No in Hell MSI will take the risk run into very high RMA numbers Won’t happen.

 

if they wanted they can simply change the fan settings and make it worth while, we also need to see the inside as well. from GT80S to GT83vr they made cpu heatsink thicker, added 2 additional pipes and radiator and a 3rd fan which sounds good, but the way did it is junk as the 2 added pipes are stacked above original 2 pipes rather than direct contact to shim.

if they change it so now its 4 pipes contact to shim, and make cpu heatsink fins before gpu heatsink fins, and make the fan spin sooner this will easily solve their problem of overheating. still wont solve crippled overclocking tho.

 

Intel’s Core i9-8950HK, i7-8850H and i7-8750H Six-Core CPU Benchmarks Leaked From LENOVO Laptops


https://wccftech.com/intels-core-i9...pu-benchmarks-leaked-from-lenovo-laptops/amp/

 

Pretty sad scores. It's a shame the ODMs have to ruin things the way they have. We won't see anyone ranking high on the leaderboards like this with today's soldered jokebooks.

I know there are a few out of touch people hanging out around here that ascribe to the notion that there is no difference in performance between the chintzy BGA junk and the socketed hardware, but these results were achieved almost exclusively with laptops competing against desktops in the Enthusiast league, so that kind of blows that theory out of the water. Looks like the good times are over for good with "high performance" laptops in general, with only one left now. That sucks.

 

Mr Fox is right.

Even my own BGA while is probably one of the best BGA samples out there, is equal to one of the worst clocking 7700K's I've ever seen. He can prime stable at 4.9ghz at 1.355v LLC1 but freezes instantly in windows at 5 ghz 1.405v. And that is where the best BGA turd chips start at quality wise. (post on Overclock.net in the kaby lake thread. Now that's a pretty bad 7700K).

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpudb/1969/core-i9-8950hk

Lists 95 watt tdp....

 

I'm sure you know this is from the same benchmarks we already talk aboout.

All depends where you look. And I'm quite sure Intel would never list any of their mobile BGA chips with 95W TDP.

en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/core_i9/i9-8950hk (65w)

www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i9-8950HK (45w)

 

Yeah, only clevo can cool that 91w desktop chip.

Other trashbooks can hardly keep those 45w "no-ihs" cpus cool, and intel knows it! They wont exceed 65w IMHO.

Even clevo are going to use 2 fans for 8cores, haaahaaahaaa!!!

 

Why call that chips for desktop chips? It's a mobile BGA chips!! On top it's pure SCAM from INTEL corp.

Call it i9, same as the i9 Core™ X-series processors is only to misleading people to pay much more for it. (+- $799 usd).

"A ball grid array (BGA) is a type of surface-mount packaging (a chip carrier) used for integrated circuits. BGA packages are used to permanently mount devices such as microprocessors. A BGA can provide more interconnection pins than can be put on a dual in-line or flat package. The whole bottom surface of the device can be used, instead of just the perimeter. The leads are also on average shorter than with a perimeter-only type, leading to better performance at high speeds.

Soldering of BGA devices requires precise control and is usually done by automated processes. BGA devices are not suitable for socket mounting."

 

No no, you got me wrong.
I was saying only clevos can cool those 91w chips(8700k, 7700k etc).

If intel is going to rate bga i9 95w, knowing bga turdbooks cant even handle 45w, then its stupidn

 

Intel??!! What is going on?!

 

More of the same. But this time try to milk even more with the i9 naming...

 

The MSI GT83 Titan VR ready for the Intel i9-8950HK Coffee Lake
March 13, 2018
http://portables4gamers.com/msi-gt83-titab-coffee-lake-i9-8950hk/

"The MSI Titan GT83 VR gamer notebook, the Taiwanese manufacturer's flagship, offers an update by integrating the Core i9-8950HK, with a K as overclocking. In order to tame the SLI of GTX 1080 that it embarks, MSI has set its sights on the biggest mobile chip of the latest generation of Intel: Intel's coffee lake:! A big hexacore whose specificities are not available at the moment.

As a reminder, the GT83 VR, a direct descendant of the GT80 , is currently the only 18-inch chassis on the world market. Launched a little over 3 years ago, this ambitious project continues its merry way. The sales figures are confidential, so it is difficult to conclude on a potential commercial success. The fact is that the builder maintains its original proposal for 2018.

MSI Titan GT83 VR : machine of all the excesses
Laptop of all superlatives, it is big 458 x 339 x 42.3 / 69 mm, heavy about 6 kg, powerful Core i9-8950HK / SLI GTX 1080 8GB / DDR4 2666 MHz and expensive around 6000 €.
As its name suggests, this machine is for VR and, more broadly, uncompromising gaming. On this subject, the debauchery of hardware used leaves no doubt. However, the SLI solution is not the one recommended on P4G because of games that do not always benefit. It is rightly regularly singled out by testers and users alike. No offense to the manufacturers who, on the subject, are often stingy with comments. That said, the SLI allows to post big scores and to make a small effect on the bench forums.
Another questionable point: this is the screen that remains the same as the previous generation, namely an 18.4-inch ( 16: 9) IPS antireflective panel with an enigmatic 1080p resolution. Enigmatic, because with such specifications hardwares, it would have been welcome that the screen is 4K. Our hypothesis is that it is difficult for MSI to stock up on this original diagonal. So to take advantage of all this power, the user will have to go through one or more external screens.

Cooling up on the MSI Titan GT83 VR
Among the highlights of this chassis, we must remember its excellent performance in terms of cooling. Called Cooler Boost Titan, it consists of 2 fans 29 blades and one of 23 blades, 15 heat pipes connected to 3 large heatsinks that are almost the entire height back of the PC. It is noisy at full charge, but effective. The manufacturer had the good idea to leave the hand to the user for its cooling strategy ( via the dedicated software), it is possible to greatly mitigate these noise.

The transportability of GT83VR is effective, but gangrened by its weight of 6 kg and its double feeding weighing more than 2 kg. Last point: the price, about 6 000 €, imposing pricing in the image of the beast. Even if it is not really a surprise, so much in recent years have seen a wind of unreason on the laptop gaming laptop sector ( Predator 21X 10000 €, Razer Blade pro 4999 €, Asus GX800 7000 etc ...). A version, a less expensive hair, will be available with a SLI GTX 1070 and still the processor i9- 8950HK.

These projects, a bit crazy, have the merit of trying and trying to stimulate a risk-averse market. But we must remain lucid, these transportable PCs suffer enormously from the comparison with fixed computers of equivalent power. Of course, they can be easily substituted, but for almost twice as much. There is no release date, but its presence on the roadmaps of the second quarter of 2018 suggests an availability before this summer.

Should we also deduce that Nvidia will not release anything in mobile GPU in 2018 ?"

Hopefully the GT83 with the 8950HK is real, cools well, and comes to the US as well as the other countries reporting that model's existence.

 

Sure... https://www.asus.com/no/Laptops/ROG-GX800VH More like Cut and paste. Very convincing.

 

Except the one major component (CPU) that they forgot to mention they wimped out on.

LOL... and, you know damn good and well people are going to fall for their marketing lies. Sheesh, there's really no end to the extent of their willingness to use lies and deception to push product. Shameful... just shameful. There's a special place where liars go when they die and it's not a happy place.

 

And the screen is still garbage tier 6-bit 60hz fhd.

The screen is not a ideal for DTR, and certainly not one that can sufficiently be considered a self-contained gaming system at this price point.

 

Good point. So, there's major lie #2. But, to be fair, I don't think there is an alternative available in that screen size. I think you can have any 18-inch screen you want as long as it's that one.

 

ASUS has one for the GX800 but it's only for them.

 

"MSI Titan GT83 VR : machine of all the excesses"

It's French to English, so it's missing nuance, but it's true. It's containing all the "excesses" available in each release for a BGA laptop. It's not lying, it's poetic license by the author, give it a rest, sheesh.

To those of us that appreciate BGA, LGA only is desktop or server appropriate, not for a laptop, and shoehorning LGA in to a laptop is unwarranted excess.

The 18.4" screen is the best available in that size - the Asus 4k screen isn't available to MSI, and I don't think a 4k screen for a gaming laptop is interesting.

Would it be nice if the 18.4" display was a 1440p higher refresh screen, sure, but it doesn't, and probably won't until MSI pony's up for a new screen.

Maybe MSI know something's we don't know and are waiting for display and GPU technologies to release so MSI can "future" proof all that investment into a new 18.4" screen that can be used for a few years.

The BGA HK cooling is always an issue to watch out for, and I see plenty of complaints about heat from the LGA laptops, requiring mods and careful treatments to get anywhere near cool enough - without running fans at 100% all the time, which is never fun - really man how can you (all) live with that noise?

Anyway, enough crapping on HQ, HK, H CPU's, knock it off already, save it for the " BGA Venting" thread and LGA threads, it's not wanted here.

We want to use and appreciate the BGA laptops we buy without the constant and continuing pollution of our threads with LGA attacks. This thread is clearly for BGA laptops.

We don't care, and never will desire the drawbacks to running LGA CPU's that require high power and cooling requirements, for our BGA requirement's and needs, LGA is unnecessary excess.

Why must we suffer the constant attacks against our BGA laptop's in BGA discussion threads?

There is a perfectly good " BGA Venting" thread to do that. I've ask the mod's to move all of the BGA bashing Posts to that thread, I won't be joining you there, but I'm sure you will continue on and on there on your own.

I want to thank you all for sticking to that " BGA Venting" thread, when you attack and belittle BGA laptops in the BGA discussion threads it's really bad form on your part, we don't need to hear it, we don't want to hear it, and it's ruining the process of sharing the enjoyment of our BGA laptops. Please stop.

 

Not really. It's totally appropriate. No shoehorn required. All that it requires is a commitment to excellence instead of being a puppet and doing what's popular.

Well, it's clear that not everyone has an issue with it. Interesting that we can criticize Micro$loth's latest piece of trash OS (Windows 10) and you're OK with that, but not BGA hate. Censorship always sucks and there's no way in hell I am going to reserve my opinions about BGA garbage to a designated thread. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. Expressing contempt for inanimate objects, design flaws and lame trends in technology is fine. Showing disrespect to other members of the community is not OK.

 

And they're still using a 3+1 phase system for this vomitbook too, so you won't be able to overclock it very far.
Vomit bin CPU already are discarded 8700K batches that didn't meet qualifications, so it gets slapped in here.

Then take away VRM phases so it needs even more voltage and isnt as stable as it would be on regular "GT75VR" chassis
At this point, the only reason to have a HK CPU instead of a HQ CPU (and the highest end HQ CPU "may" even be a better bin......anyone remember what is better between 7820HK and 7920HQ? i forgot because my brain is fried), is to have unlockable power limits.

I honestly can't wait to see a review from someone NOT from notebookcheck who actually knows what they're doing.

 

Look
I'd shut my mouth *IF* and ONLY IF

1) MSI would do away with the cancer power limits and EC PECI power limit and current limit restrictions and let you overclock the laptop as far as it could go until it BSOD's and wouldn't go anymore..........
2) Did away completely with "NOS"
3) made the VRM's actually capable of handling the increased power draw. I wouldn't complain about 5+1, but 6+1 phase would be a huge improvement over the horrible 3+1 of the existing GT83VR.

THEN the only complaint would be the lower tier soldered CPU. That's it.

 

But LGA cpu can run overclocked and consume less power compared to HK?

How can you tell the 3+1?

Both HK and HQ have adjustable power limit, but the 7920 might be binned better due to the higher base boost and base clock speed. Not that it would matter because the multiplier is locked anyways.

 

3+1= 3 big phases and one "shortbus" phase.




5+1 phase: (excuse the thermal pad over the "1"

 

Well, the problem with that is " MSI Titan GT83 VR : machine of all the excesses" might be a little closer to accurate if they fixed all of those issues and they'd have to invent something else to tell lies about.

 

You mean Machine of all the false advertising and lies.
UnParalleled Power. That's why we still use NOS, folks.

The only part on that thing that can run at full specifications are the GTX 1080's. If they don't reach 90C. And you know they will reach 90C. And how much performance does Pascal lose when they reach 90C?

Yeah.

 

You're welcome

 

So you regard Tom's Hardware as unreliable?

The power consumption of a processor is directly proportional to the frequency it is running at as well as the the square of the voltage i.e P = k * f * V^2, where k is a constant. What Intel
have done is reduce the frequency of the CPU by ~25% and the voltage by similar amount (I don't know how much, I don't have the graphs of voltage vs frequency for intel's 14nm++ process) . Reducing the clock speed of the CPU by 25% reduces power consumption by 25% as well (Power is directly proportional to frequency). However, this is not the case for voltage. Let's assume that Intel managed to reduce the voltage by 20%, so the total power saving would be the square of this: (1-0.8^2) * 100 = 36% decrease in power consumption. Let's combine this with power saving gained from reducing the clockspeed: (1 - 0.64*0.75)*100 = 52% power reduction. That's not even counting the power savings made from the switch from 14nm+ to 14nm++.

This basically means a 25% reduction in performance reduces power by half, which is not a bad tradeoff if you ask me.

 

Unless youre paying over $5,000 for a no-compromises performance machine

 

Missed this sighting of an 8950HK in a "dual 1080" MSI laptop from a bit early last month...

Intel Core i9-8950HK spotted again, this time inside of an MSI laptop with dual GPUs
Matthew Wilson, February 13, 2018
https://www.kitguru.net/lifestyle/m...-time-inside-of-an-msi-laptop-with-dual-gpus/

"Back in November, an AIDA64 update unveiled some new upcoming Intel processors, the most interesting of which was the Core i9-8950HK. This is set to be the first Core i9 processor for laptops and will apparently be based on the Coffee Lake architecture. This week, this particular CPU broke cover again, indicating that Core i9 laptops will be on the way soon.

The latest leak comes from 3DMark, where a new MSI laptop was tested, featuring two GTX 1080 GPUs and the Core i9-8950HK processor. As the AIDA64 leak suggested, the CPU does contain six cores and twelve threads, it will also supposedly be unlocked, opening it up for user overclocking.

According to the 3DMark leak, which was screenshotted by Videocardz, the Core i9-8950HK has a 2.9GHz base clock and a 3.9GHz boost. That is unfortunately all of the information we have so far, but it seems that laptop makers do in-fact have the chip in their hands and are currently developing new models equipped with it.

As for MSI’s mystery laptop, it is set to be a power house spec-wise, with dual GPUs, 32GB of RAM and dual SSDs. Hopefully we’ll hear more about this soon.

KitGuru Says: With this being a Core i9 CPU, I wouldn’t expect to see it in a laptop under the £2000 to £2500 mark. It is almost certainly going to be reserved for the beefiest of them. Are any of you thinking about going for a gaming laptop? How much would you be willing to spend for true desktop replacement performance?"

Hopefully we'll hear something official from GDC 2018, and Intel /MSI / ?

Unlocked Intel Core i9-8950HK With 6 Cores 12 Threads Spotted Inside Unreleased MSI Laptop
By Ahmad Hassan / Feb 14, 2018
https://segmentnext.com/2018/02/14/intel-core-i9-8950hk/

"Intel has made quite a leap in performance for its Coffee-Lake line of processors and now it seems that Intel is preparing a mobile version of its Core i9 processor as specs for the Intel Core i9-8950HK inside unreleased MSI laptop have leaked online.

The Intel Core i9-8950HK leak comes from 3DMark who tested out the yet to be released MSI laptop with dual GTX 1080 along with Intel Core i9 mobile processor. According to the leak, the processor has 6 cores with 12 threads and the processor itself will be unlocked meaning users will be able to overclock the i9.

Videocardz was able to screenshot the specs for Core i9-8950HK which reveal that the processor will have a base clock of 2.9 GHz and 3.9 GHz with the turbo. While it is just a leak but, it seems that laptop manufacturers have their hands on the chip to manufacture their laptops.

In related news, with the launch of Coffee Lake processors, Intel has taken its lead back from AMD in January 2018. According to report, Intel has skipped ahead of AMD in CPU market share with the help of its Coffee Lake series of the processors as their availability is better compared to their initial launch.

Intel took the lead back in the market share which rose to 58 percent and AMD’s share dropped to 42%. Furthermore, Intel’s monthly revenue also increased with Core i7-8700K leading the way. Intel took the 64% of the overall CPU market revenue and 36 percent of the market revenue belonged to AMD.

Furthermore, Intel has promised hardware fix for Spectre and Meltdown for its upcoming line of processors. According to Intel CEO Brian Krzanich, the company is working on a hardware fix for its next line of processors that will be available in 2019.

However, AMD has assured that Zen 2 will be immune to these flaws. Furthermore, the company has noted that Zen 2 will be secured from future security threats.

Source: Videocardz "

 

First Intel 8th-gen H-series processor for laptops appears in MSI leak
The first Intel 8th-generation H-series processors have arrived
By Kevin Lee, March 12, 2018
https://www.techradar.com/news/the-first-intel-core-i9-processor-for-laptops-appears-in-msi-leak

"It seems that retailers have spilled the beans on the first Intel 8th-generation H-series processors, and what appears to be the first Core i9 chip for laptops.

Eagle-eyed forum users at Notebook Review and Linus Tech Tips spotted Amazon listings for an MSI GS65 Stealth laptop that seems to be the successor to MSI GS63 Stealth. A closer look at the configuration options reveals a few new processor choices we’ve not seen before, including an Intel Core i7-8750H.

There's still plenty more to learn
That said, these supposedly leaked retailer listings don’t reveal any technical details, such as the number of processor cores they’ll be rocking or their frequency. We can only assume they’ll follow in the footsteps of the Kaby Lake Refresh processors, and come equipped with at least six, if not eight, cores.

Another question that remains is whether these supposed 8th-generation CPUs will be a continuation of the Kaby Lake Refresh family, or whether this will be the point at which Intel introduces the first Coffee Lake processors for laptops.

Either way, gaming laptops, and notebooks in general, are about to get more interesting and powerful if these rumors prove to be true.

Additionally, VideoCardz picked up on an international listing for a new MSI Titan laptop also featuring an Intel Core i7-8850H CPU, alongside two Nvidia GTX 1080 graphics cards in SLI.

These are among the first mentions of 8th-generation Intel H-Series processors we’ve seen on the web."

 

yes, im saying they could be wrong, or the way you understood those info are incorrect.

 

From @hmscott's post #242 above... First paragraph.

First Intel 8th-gen H-series processor for laptops appears in MSI leak
The first Intel 8th-generation H-series processors have arrived
By Kevin Lee, March 12, 2018
https://www.techradar.com/news/the-first-intel-core-i9-processor-for-laptops-appears-in-msi-leak

"It seems that retailers have spilled the beans on the first Intel 8th-generation H-series processors, and what appears to be the first Core i9 chip for laptops."

Click the same link... https://www.techradar.com/news/the-first-intel-core-i9-processor-for-laptops-appears-in-msi-leak

Mention Core i9 chips. But this is what you will see in the link.

Of course you won't see 8950Hk in Gt83. Period!!

 

Trying to determine who is more full of BS right now.
1) Zener diodes making my laptop shut off at 4.9 ghz when i'm trying to beat @Papusan 's cinebench score YES IT SHUT OFF AGAIN SOMEONE GIVE ME THE UNLOCKED EC PLEASE
2) MSI for not even knowing what CPU they're going to use
3) Intel for releasing cancer chips upon the planet and calling them an i9.
4) me

 

You can decrease the voltage. Aka it will lower the power consumption 50-100mv lower Core voltage will make wonders. Or?

 

I did decrease the voltage, master @Papusan !
i tried 1.360v at 4900 mhz.
Cinebench ran 7 times in a row then the system BSOD with a bugcheck.......and my score was lower too, only 1084cb-1079cb......

So i set voltage to 1.380v and got 1088cb 3 times in a row. then the laptop zener diodes tripped and it shut off and on.

Please help me Papusan
I want to order that P870 TM-G soon...im sick of this.

 

Lol, just even reading ur post i can tell how angry u r right nowww.....

1 and 4 arent, but 2 and 3 are indeed full of BS

why not wait a little for 8cores? I mean cmon, you can wait a little!

 

Yeah but i can beat @Papusan's record if the laptop stops shutting off.
Cuz then i can just point an AC cooler at the thing, set it to 5 ghz, run cinebench at 1.45v and hope it doesn't reach 100C
But it shuts off instantly.
Properly working laptop would just reach 100C and thermal throttle. But no, big brother thinks i'm drawing too much current....

 

Exactly... BGA need 1 bin higher clock speed to beat or score equal the lower clocked LGA. Have seen this everywhere (from all brand). Some need even 2 bin more. What a waste. As well for the power consumption that will skyrocket. The worse the higher clocks you try.

 

@Falkentyne We can beat @Papusan if he uses BGA PC or competes using his kid's BGAs PC.
I feel Papusan's PC is 60% faster than kids PC for GSYNC gaming.

 

Never know. 65watt makes more sense. Maybe it's left up to the manufacturer to config a tdp down. Like dell does with the 7700hq