Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

Most OEM use cTDP since Intel states most CPUs to have cTDP adjustable window whose config to enable or disable is left to vendors. HP,MSFT,Asus,Xiaomi etc...

 

I expect Intel will let the OEM's determine how bad they will cripple the chips. All they want is push out as many they can. +$750 vs. $370 is more than enough reason for this. Put it in 15,6 chassis, just cripple the TDP with own software/firmware (I'm sure Intel is willing to help the OEM's). Why should Intel limit the chips for use in most gaming laptops? Bad idea if you seek after for most money for the shareholders.

 

This isn't really possible anymore. Voltage scaling stopped a decade ago. The threshold voltage of transistors(that's when it starts to turn on) is at ~0.65V. The frequency is really, really low at that point. At 0.75V you might be talking 3-400MHz. In comparison it only needs 1.35V or so to run at top 4.5GHz+ frequencies on chips like the 8700K.

So voltage/frequency relationship isn't linear. As closer to threshold voltage you get, you'd lose much more frequency than the lowered voltage.

The Notebook chips, if anything are "higher quality" than Desktop ones. To have it work at lower power, you need better chips.

But the biggest trick used to take the power down from 95W on a Desktop, to 45W on a Laptop is by lowering base frequency. Base frequency is more or less guaranteed frequency. If you run an extremely heavy workload like Intel burn test then the chip might have to run at base frequency. There's a huge difference in base frequency between a 45W Laptop chip and a 95W Desktop one because its basically worst case scenario.

Most applications and benchmarks though, like Cinebench isn't as intensive. So it can Turbo higher. That'll allow it to reduce the difference in most scenarios compared to a Desktop chip.

 

I sent you a PM. But I am very unhappy and stressed out right now. I dont want any more pressure.

 

HEDT silicons are cut out from xeons, and just like that mobile chips are of a lower quality silicon grade than consumer desktop.

 

Yeah but your desktop CPU is an i7, while the new mobile unlocked CPU is an i9, which means better right?


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it used to be said, after proven wrong on multiple occasion they then turn it around and say desktop CPU is terrible in a laptop so it has to be BGA mobile CPU, which is just as wrong and as retarded as how BGA > LGA cause it really isnt.

if they only talk about thickness, yes BGA is better. but in heat, performance, efficiency, serviceability and cost, NO WAYYYY. no way in hell i would trade for thickness of 10mm for those 5 category and lie to myself thinking i got all 6 out of BGA.

intel marketing my friend, all part of their lie/deceit to milk more money.

desktop people gets 2 more cores going from i7 7700k to i7 8700k for same price they pay for 7700k (maybe 10-20$ more for inflation), while laptop users dont get that, they'll be forced to pay for i9 pricing while its something they should have gotten, complete rip off from intel, and no intel would not give better binned i9 BGA CPU than desktop i7, it might be better than desktop i3 and thats about it.

 

The nearest I could find... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes

I9 branding means more expencive. I wonder why Intel didn't do the same for i7-68/78xxHK series.

 

@ole!!!
Your joking about a desktop i3 being better than a i9 BGA ?
I see where this is going.....

 

exactly, people need to start thinking instead of following blindly

 

i think you need to re read what i said again, because you are thinking the opposite.

 

My bad!

 

i9 branding was reserved for HDET platforms moved to desktop. So now Intel wants people to think i9 is the super premium awesome CPU when it's a DISCARDED 8700K part that DIDN'T MEET BINNING QA !!

Now, if we're getting cannon lake mobile parts and no cannon lake architecture on desktop, thats when things actually get a little mixed up. But would Intel ever give 5 ghz cannon lake bins to mobile ODM's? I think not! And even let's say they did. Let's pretend for one moment they did. Then the ODMs would simply castrate them with power limits because laptop users are too incompetent to use liquid metal and improved/modded cooling, and would shove them into cases that are not designed to dissipate enough heat, or artificially limit the power draw to "protect us from ourselves" and warranty claims....

 

i am honestly excited and eager to see this new arch. its been so long we stuck on 14nm can't wait to see some efficiency, 2+ cores and ipc uplift.

10nm+ ICL should be fine. look at what i said about 1.5 yrs ago. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/upcoming-clevo-laptops-with-skylake-x-hedt.798348/

i was really upset we stayed on 4c, and when 6c comes it'll be last generation of 14nm and the last years of broadwell/skylake arch, which CFL is literally a 3-4yrs old architecture and I was right! however ONE THING came out as a good surprise and made me go for CFL laptop is because 14nm++ silicon quality, 5ghz OC and 6 cores in a laptop.

 

I think "higher quality" may be subjective. Since I don't work at intel, this is really a 'best guess'. But it makes sense that if the silicon can run at a high clock speed, has all working components, and spits out TDP within spec, those will go for desktop CPUs. Perhaps they check the rest of those batches to see if those will work with less voltage and less TDP to place those into the 'mobile cpu' bin. This seems a logical process in determining which silicon goes to what CPU. My guess is the CPU SKU that converts to the highest profile margin gets the best of the best. Then the next SKU in the profile margin, and so on and so forth.

Now, I'm sure they have a distinct set of tests that they check in order to categorize and separate them into their respective processor designation. And, since we don't really know for certain, the following is probably close to how things work:

- https://www.quora.com/How-does-Intel-design-and-produce-so-many-models-of-CPUs

Here's another article, but only covers binning desktop CPUs - https://www.tweaktown.com/asktheexp...for_general_performance_and_gaming/index.html


Note, this also does not take into account supply vs. demand or crossover on designated CPU specs between different SKUs. That is a whole other can or worms, and I have no idea if and how this comes into play in intel's process. But ignoring that, since the silicon for desktop CPUs will on average contain more cache, require higher clocks (note, I can't find spces on what the i9 8950), my guess is those chips end up as desktop CPUs.

 

Almost all mobile chips is priced higher than desktop chips. Intel can use whatever they find from their shelves, none cares. People buy it anyway. Pretty easy, put in the HEDT Cpu i9 naming and demand more from the OEM's. The OEM's will still get their money back when they sell this scam. If Intel contiued use the old i7 naming for the unlocked HK mobile chip, they couldn't demand the higher scam price +$700. Intel win and the buyers lose. End of story.

 

If you can't handle the simple facts, that BGA is anti consumer, anti right of repair, are inherently worse quality chips and worse designs they go into, and based to satisfy design considerations other than outright performance; and that they will never satisfy those who have certain values - that's your problem, I'll happily let you return me to your ignore list echo chamber. Didn't know don't care.

Being a "BGA enthusiast" (if there is such a thing aside from just reacting against 'the LGA elitist herd') means dealing with more hurdles and issues, the mid range PGA laptops of 5 years ago are infinitely more tweakable, repairable, upgradeable and less locked down than the highest end of current enthusiast ranges, fact.

There are those who vent too far on this forum, but don't you dare lump me in with them. Go back in my post history and pick statements to disagree with and point out where I regress to point-less hyperbole. I don't know everything; I rely on having it pointed out where I'm wrong just as much as anyone else, and I don't resile from that possibility. But fanboi arguments don't cut it.

Most of what I've said in this thread is reacting to what I see as unwarranted excitement; I think the HH 6 core leaked benches are overstatements of their end product performance, tacitly encouraged by Intel getting looser with their max turbo "peak marketing", and their poor value will be on show when mid range LGA Clevos will have as much power as BGA CPU models of 4x to 5x the raw price. Just as history has shown that 6700HQ and 7700HQ suck in value, specification and implementation compared to their equivalently named desktop chips.

I have no problem admitting the chunky heavy stuff I have is not to everyone's tastes and not everyone values what I do. But I do have a huge problem with consumers deluding themselves and being brand shills, swallowing marketing BS, thinking what they have is not inherently inferior in obvious ways, and lapping up what they are given instead of demanding more of it. At the moment, not being flat out lied to by the corporations making our hardware looks unattainable, and having people turn on each other and fight is just muddying the clear message that ought to be sent; stop #=%@ing ripping buyers off with fancy marketing and market engineering and instead go build quality products for a fair price!

 

Can you link to a single post of mine where I bashed either LGA or BGA? I don't think so, but you are welcome to prove me wrong.

The only thing you can link to, that would land me on your hit list, are posts of mine asking you the behave civilly, and stop calling people names, telling them to go away and be quiet, and that it is none of their business, in an attempt to censor them...just as you have with your post I am quoting, and others that are too many to count.

This is a public forum, wherein people are encouraged to state their knowledge and opinion in an effort to help others. The names you have listed have been doing so for years, and their Posts, and the Likes and Reputations they have received, indicate they are respected members of the forum. I am not saying everyone agrees with them, because I am sure everyone has someone with different needs/likes and opinions, but agreeing with them is not required. I am saying that their positive contributions to this forum have helped it become what it is.

One big difference between your posts and theirs, is they are talking about the technology (love it or hate it), and the companies (love them or hate them) within the industry, while you are scolding other members that don't agree with you in an attempt to censor them. I will repeat again my request that you just state your knowledge and opinion, and let others state theirs, and stop trying to censor anyone that shares different knowledge or a different opinion. They are not attacking you, you don't have to defend yourself, so please, stop trying to censor them. If you don't like having discussions with people of differing knowledge and opinions, if you think they are attacking you and not the hardware and the companies that make, market and sell them (which they aren't), then simply put them on your ignore list.

By the way, since I don't debate the LGA vs. BGA pros and cons here in this forum, and I am a Company Representative that sells both BGA and LGA laptops to people depending on their individual wants, needs and uses of their laptop, I don't really understand how I landed on your list.

 

I think you need to step away from this forum for a while.

 

This is 100% truth.

Look at the previous generation of Nvidia GPUs - 980M, 780M, 680M all were x70 counterparts with power limits and cut down cores and garbage FET count cards (980M the worst of all with that Blackscreen garbage it gets & massive TDP violations goes to the unsafe levels of over 200W with modified FET, only a few Over Engineered system can take that, CLEVO with it's massive 230W+ per MXM slot for the 870 and 770ZM which actually handled it, Mr. Fox's Khenglish modified 980M), It had artificially induced that "Premium" range feeling from there it went awful when Ngreedia discarded that MXM standard and went to tacky shapes by kicking off the reference design into dumpster instead of updating the MXM standard to 4.x where every laptop in the world could have got that "unified standard" and to naysayers the proof is the Quadro P5000 with 100% MXM3.0b standard with more cores than the GTX 1070 only power gimped because again the MXM3.1b design limitation strikes.

Claps to Intel, took something remarkably amazing idea which has the power to manipulate the damn mind (Ever wonder why the 2K never lifted off ? while the 4K is like every kid wants it nowadays even in a damn laptop with less than 17" panel forget that look at the stupid Sony XZP in <6" , magic of numbers and human psychology) from Ngreedia and stamped that onto the damn Laptop market.

WTF is an i9 with Hexacore ? Is it even legal ? frigging day light robbery man, i9 starts with HEDT and 10C + 140W TDP on LGA 2066 socket AND no iGPU wasting the precious die space, Calling this i9 is a shame to the HEDT platform, no wonder why the desktop people blast and lash the notebook systems..

And still everyone wants to support Intel ? Hexacore system with TDP lock and cTDP lock and EC lock, Power Limit Lock, Socket Lock. What is this ?

I seriously think people who are buying this new "i9" fake i9 should know what the hell they are buying being robbed with a castrated damn cTDP 45W chip, My laptop has a 4710MQ 45W TDP chip which has better bins than a 6700HQ disaster and can be unlocked thanks to Haswell Microcode bug. The older mobile chips with MX and XM line are the true chips to be called i9, if they ever come again. Unlocked multiplier and no power limit garbage, extra cache (Papusan's 4930MX draws over 100W in this AW17 R1 Ranger, and crushes the 6700 systems into oblivion with a simple 4810MQ chip, slap in a 4930MX in that machine and BAM ! , that's called a clear advantage of the rPGA socket) and proper bins, quality silicon.

That's what you pay money for. Not this fiasco and ripping. It's so sad to see, this. My laptop has 3 phase for a 2013 Haswell the FIVR Hotwell system with 2 pipe HS and gimped Fan profiles. And the glorious 3000 grand GT83VR - 7700HQ/7920HQ with a GTX 1080 SLI has 3+1 ? ROFL, that's pathetic... Even AW18 has 4 Phase VRM system even though it's been castrated permanently by Azor and co after they found out Mr. Fox's M18x R2 with 3940XM drawing over 600W like a Supercharged V8 and dumped into a 2 cylinder gluten free engine with a li ion garbage Hybrid system...

 

@hmscott bennyg made it very clear in above quote.

I also took the time to dig up one of old post with your "likes" approval on it. http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...99-xeon-vs-epyc.805695/page-116#post-10578193

thats the link of the post about intel anti-consumer, you obviously approve of it when its intel vs AMD but when its BGA vs LGA you turn completely blind. donno if its double standard or you simply don't view BGA as anti-consumer.

 

LMAO @Mr. Fox is that true because of what you did?

 

False. You did not create that thread. Check the opening post. Judging from the context, that is either an assumption or a fabrication on your part. Below are the thread-starter's posts on the first page. He had questions about BGA garbage because of his own measure of dissatisfaction and the things he saw the people posting that you have in your blocked list. Please do us all the courtesy of re-blocking us to save yourself the stress of reading our posts. I can promise that they are not going to stop. Hurling insults toward individuals is not something we do. We have better manners than that. All it does when you spew your contempt is reflect poorly on you and diminishes the value you add on other topics of discussion when you are not having a lapse in etiquette.

I know I speak not only for myself, but many others, when I say this list of valuable members of this community are greatly appreciated.

@ole!!!
@Mr. Fox
@Papusan
@bennyg
@Mobius 1
@Falkentyne
@Donald@HIDevolution
@saturnotaku
@Ashtrix

From the "BGA Venting" thread:

 

Probably so. Or, a strangely convenient coincidence. It came shortly after my creation of a dual 330W AC adapter for Alienware. It worked great for the M18xR1 and M18xR2. I showed the honchos at Dell/Alienware and they had a small focus group of overclocking enthusiasts (all members of this community) join them in discussions under the premise of learning what they could do to make better products that would appeal to guys like us. Turns out they had different motives and were gathering intelligence they could use against us. If that is not the case, it certainly felt like carefully orchestrated betrayal to us as customers. I cannot speak to their real intent, only how circumstances played out and how it looked to us from our side of the fence.

We discussed unlocked BIOS and dual 330W adapter. Among those that joined me in that small discussion group were @Johnksss and @svl7. Right after that the Alienware 18 was released with an inability to utilize the dual 330W AC adapter, severe current limit throttling problems, and a flash-resistant BIOS that could only be unlocked by end users with a hardware programmer. @svl7 unlocked the BIOS on his Alienware 17 and mounted the chip in a socket. The generation that followed, and every generation since then, is all BGA trash. Now, even their desktops are severely emasculated. Brother @Cass-Olé is painfully aware of the shenanigans that have migrated from their turdbooks to their turd-towers.

They were arguably the leaders of the industry, and had the opportunity to set the bar higher as the role model that other brands once aspired to. They chose the low road and now the the high performance notebook industry is circling the drain.

 

Can we get back on track and discuss these new MOBILE CPUs from intel?!?
Forget BGA vs LGA and forget whatever supposedly nasty trick Intel is playing us for and focus on the title thread.
If you need a new laptop for the most part you don't have a choice between the BGA or LGA and have to use what's available.

 

Listed in MSI Vietnam:

https://msivietnam.vn/msi-gt83-8rg-titan
https://msivietnam.vn/msi-gt75-8rg-titan

https://msivietnam.vn/gaming-laptops/gt-series


Intel chip not listed yet...

 

im assuming MSI is not gonna update their gt83vr chassis then, hope the inside will still change for the better

 

They have to, because 100°C on 4 cores running 2.9/3.0GHz with wimpy 44w Cpu Package Power is damn

 

In this new processors, what will be the brother of i7 7820hk? i9 8950hk?

 

There isn't enough published yet to know with any specificity what Intel is doing with it.

The 6820HK => 7820HK would suggest a 8820HK would be the follow-on, but not so...

Preceeding these the 5950HQ Broadwell was in my GT80, with an extra 128MB EDRAM as L4 cache which helped improve CPU and iGPU performance.

So it's possible Intel brought back that EDRAM for the i9-8950HK and combined it with the benefits of full unlocking as an HK suffix indicates.

A next generation laptop CPU with EDRAM is what I've been watching for to come around again.

 

yes, it likely should have been i7 8950hk but intel change it to i9 instead and will be charging a premium for it due to its unlocked nature. there might be another sku for another HK version thats i7 but knowing intel, i highly doubt it since money is what they are after here.

 

Will these new 8th Generation of coffee lake for mobile H and HK be launching next month? because it seems most likely, since we got leaks of Asus, Msi, and other laptops with coffee lake...also I was wondering when can we expect the new gpu from nvidia for laptops, since pascal gpu is already 2 years now and nvidia is getting ready to announce their ampere/Turing gpu for Desktop at GTC

 

I haven't seen a single credible release date for AMD, Intel, or Nvidia new product releases in 2018.

 

If Nvidia does announce their new gpu at GTC next week. we can expect a release date for the desktop version, but other leaks and rumors are saying nvidia will delay their new ampere/Turing gpu.

 

Are we gonna see significant boost in gaming with the new coffee lake i7 cpu for laptops like over 30-50%? I haven't seen any benchmarks

 

We don't even know for sure what the new generation consumer gaming GPU architecture is built on

We know Nothing!!...

 

Doubtful

Wait for release and user / reviewer benchmark results to be sure, otherwise it's just a big tease.

GPU enters in to gaming more than CPU for most games, so 30-50% gaming performance improvement on a CPU upgrade with 2 more cores would be out of the question for most games.

 

I'm looking forward to get my hands on the new coffee lake Cpu for laptops. Am especially interested in the Asus lineup laptops. Is there any confirmation the new i7 cpu H and HK will come out April?

 

"April Showers Bring May Flowers"

That's about all I know

Nobody enjoys a good surprise any more...

 

I hope is not an April fools joke, then it get delayed. Intel likes to fool their consumers with false advertisement. Just like the 10nm chips

 

Nah, I don't think Intel likes to fool their customers with slipped shipping dates, their Evil, not Stupid.

The Intel 10nm "problem" just kinda suprised them... it's not good.

GlobalFoundries hit back at Intel, claims the delayed 10nm process is a "pretty weak node"
https://www.pcgamesn.com/globalfoundries-intel-7nm-10nm

Hopefully Intel's CPU's that follow later in the year aren't dogged by those problems...

 

We don't even see a difference from a 7700K and a 3770K, so no. There will be no difference, unless you play games on all low, 480p.

 

Only for very CPU intensive titles like Battlefield 1 (multiplayer especially). The extra cores will help if you're streaming while gaming. Even if you're streaming you shouldn't use software encoding, you should use OBS with intel quicksync (uses the fixed function media processing block in iGPU) as it has a minimal effect on frame rates.

 

Man, I've never seen so much hate for inanimate products... People swearing at BGA notebooks like the latter killed the former's mothers; other people swearing at, complaining about and censoring the first group of people, and in general making this a cesspool of a thread.

There's only so much shouting into the void (i.e. this forum) can do. I'd like to see what inroads you gentlemen can make on Reddit or somewhere else with several orders of magnitude greater traffic than this site.

BGA is here to stay; rPGA is dead (the king is dead; long live the king). If anyone wants a socketed CPU in a notebook, that CPU will be a desktop LGA one, in turn making the notebook proportionately larger.

Comparing any two notebooks' performance is going to be a fundamentally flawed process unless we can get identical power delivery, identical thermal dissipation and identical test environments for both notebooks.

Now, can we please get back on topic, and save the bashing and venting for the threads elsewhere, appropriately titled?

@Donald@HIDevolution, any idea if Clevo might release a PA50HS with the i9–8950HK and any next-gen nVidia GPU? Do you have any idea of display and storage options? Or is all of that tightly wrapped under NDA? Are you even allowed to say whether or not that information is under NDA or not?

 

Gaming Acer Helios 500 from i9-8950HK quietly debuts in Poland
https://www.mobimaniak.pl/282926/acer-helios-500-i7-8750h-i9-8950hk/

"We waited for the first laptops with i7-8750H / i9-8950HK processors and we waited. On the website of one of the Polish stores, Acer Helios 500 - a gaming notebook with the heart of the premiere Intel chip.

Has become! In the Polish x-kom.pl store the first laptop for the player with the latest generation Intel chips debuted. This is Acer Helios 500 , the newest representative of the well-known Predator gaming brand. There are currently two versions to choose from:

cheaper model in the configuration with the i7-8750H processor, for PLN 8999.00 ; the more expensive variant with the top i9-8950HK processor, at the price of PLN 11,999.00 .

Other components are identical in both cases. At the moment, you can not place an order yet, but the appearance of this offer undoubtedly heralds the imminent Polish premiere of computers.

Acer Helios 500: an efficient laptop for the player

The brightest point of the Acer Helios 500 laptop specification is undoubtedly the Coffee Lake generation processor: i7-8750H or i9-8950HK . This is an absolute novelty. Regardless of the chosen option, we get a powerful 6-core CPU whose TDP reaches 45W! These are systems designed for the largest and most expensive notebooks, so they will go mainly to mobile workstations and the best laptops for players - such as Helios 500.



The other points in the specification of the new Predator line laptop do not evoke much emotion anymore. It's a solid standard. In both configurations, we buy a computer with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 graphics , which is accompanied by 16 GB RAM on DDR4 chips (2133 MHz) and a 256 GB SSD disk on the M.2 connector.

The screen has a diagonal of 17.3 "and works at 1920 x 1080 pixels (Full HD), with 144 Hz refresh . The matrix is made in IPS technology and covered with a matt coating. The description on the store also shows that the laptop offers support for NVIDIA G-Sync technology.

The keyboard is highlighted in the RGB palette . Among the available ports there are five USB connectors (three USB 3.0 and two USB Type-C with Thunderbolt support, so with the option of image transfer), single HDMI and Display Port and LAN port and two audio connectors (microphone and headphone)."

Cooling is, of course, the proprietary Acer system reserved exclusively for the Predator line.I am curious how it will deal with the new Intel processors - this is particularly important in the case of the i9-8950HK, due to the possibility of overclocking this system.

Little? It may seem like this, especially when looking at the price of the more expensive Helios. Let me remind you that no more than the day before yesterday I wrote about new laptops of the Polish HIRO brand . Among them is HIRO 870 - equipped with a weaker processor and more expensive by 2 thousand. but at the same time offering much more efficient graphics GTX 1080 and in the SLI version (2 x GPU), which when playing a huge difference. On the other hand, as Predator, it is Predator - after all, it is not without reason that it is one of my favorite gaming brands (right after Alienware)."

 

OMG yes!!! Finally Acer got rid of the red, companies like Asus and acer are getting rid of the reddish gamer looks. Some change for once. 144hz gaming laptop will become mainstream now for 2018. So we can expect these new coffee lake laptops in the month of April release!

 

Considering this laptop retails at $2500, you might as well as get a LGAbook. I do agree about the red though. Good riddance...

 

The new Gigabyte Aero 15/15X is launching on April 3rd, so I'd expect them to come with Coffee Lake H. That means Intel will launch the chips sometime between now and 3rd April.

 

Man what a good time to be alive! 2018 is looking promising.

 

From the already mentioned Polish website....

"cheaper model in the configuration with the i7-8750H processor, for PLN 8999.00 ;
the more expensive variant with the top i9-8950HK processor, at the price of PLN 11,999.00 .
Other components are identical in both cases. At the moment, you can not place an order yet, but the appearance of this offer undoubtedly heralds the imminent Polish premiere of computers."

Same notebook config and i9-8950HK vs i7-8750H will increase the price point with only 33% For the whole notebook!!

Or...
i7-8750H + GTX1070 = 2635.45 USD
i9-8950HK + GTX1070 = 3514.03 USD

i9-8950HK = +$879.