Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

Tray price for the i9 is 750usd iirc.

Hopefully there is some difference other than CPU to justify that upsell pricing...

Can't gouge like that with LGA, when people have the alternative to buy a boxed processor and swap.

 

If we adopt the same price philosophy also from Dell... Aw17R4 with 1070 and locked down i7. Add 33% on top due Intel i9 means = $4766,7 usd (i9-8950HK + GTX1070)

 

You can get a Z370 decent mobo, a i7-8700K, 16GB of DDR4-3200Mhz RAM and a decent cooler for the same price they ask for the cpu alone, way to go Intel..

 

At least they don't secretly sell you much worse performing CPU's with the same name. Looking at NVIDIAs pathethic downgraded MX150.

 

Its better than an iGPU, its called Nvidia and it must be cheap AF, enough boxes checked to sell it to ODM's who can them sell them on laptops and have the marketing guys mark all the boxes about NVIDIA GTX GPU.

On par with Asus selling an N56 something with a 740m with 4GB of VRAM and slap some gigantic letters on how it was a 4GB VRAM GPU on the box, non tech savy people only know that more is better..

 

1) The retail price on intel's website is rarely the price the oem pays, beacuse they order processors in volume and get discounts due to economies of scale. (response to a previous post)

2) How long is a piece of string? Different people have different needs and therefore different performance requirements. The MX150 is the only GPU with TDP (25W) low enough to fit within a 13.3"/14" laptop without the laptop spontaneously combusting. It can run Battlefield 1 and GTA V among other games at 1080p with low settings at acceptable frame rates.

 

Still tightly wrapped in the Intel and manufacturer's Non-disclosure...but be patient...it won't be long now.

Next Gen NVIDIA laptop GeForce GPU’s will come sometime this Fall.

 

may be next week?

 

Thanks very much. I think I'll wait until after July, then. Or at worst, get one of those cheapo 'BGAbooks' so derided by this community for like $200 or so, and let that take me through the first couple of weeks at university, and then purchase a notebook nearer the end of this year.

 

For the record, I don't think anyone has a problem with sub $500 BGA lappies. It's when the manufacturers charge $1000s and $1000s and $1000s, and try to convince the consumer they just purchased the elite of the elite type of machine which draws the ire of the community.

 

Well, I still plan to purchase a notebook with an i9—8950HK, and fully expect to pay ~$2000 for the whole lot...

 

Until Rockstart decides to kill it..

My brother had a Asus X550LB with an i5-4200U and a 740m, 720p display and I gifted him GTA 5, he clocked him more than 400 hours on the online mode, it played pretty well to be honest, medium settings, hovering around 50-60Fps's, more than good for him, until one day Rockstar issued a patch and the game no longer ran at anything above 10Fps's on the single player, CPU pegged to 100%, GPU iddling away..

Almost 1 year after I gave him a GL771JM(860m, i7-4700hq, NVMe SSD, 16GB RAM), drilled bottom so it wasn't a damm toaster, but he lost interest in GTA5, his online squad slowly abandoned the game due to cheaters/hackers.

No clean install helped on the first Asus, it was not a drivers problem, nor was hitting the VRAM limit(the settings used almost 1.9GB of VRAM, but it ran before with stuttering).

 

If anyone understands the risks of BGA (admittedly low as they are) in a high end machine, it's you. And you know which warranties will serve you best. Best wishes in getting the machine you want.

For others who have no idea what I'm talking about, it is one of my pet peeves with BGA. If one ends up with a good CPU (low heat, good clocker, or whatever you like about it), and you end up with other issues with the system board or its components (power delivery, LAN, Sound, RAM slots, or anything on the board goes bad), for warranty repair you'll lose the CPU too when the repair ends up being a swap out for of an entirely new system board - which will bring with it a newly attached CPU.

 

You have a +tripple chance to lose your golden BGA. And with Golden I mean compared and equal to a losy overclocker LGA chips. What a lottery people will run/stumbled into On top Premium price.

 

Right....my bronze chip won't run cinebench at 4.9 even at 1.52V (Intel specs).

Enviado de meu Pixel 2 usando Tapatalk

 

Yeah, Jump on next step... But the Bgabook won't be portable anymore
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?208851-MSI-Wind-Netbook-LN2-huh

 

Thank you. I fully understand the trade-off of a thinner notebook versus a desktop replacement, and it is a trade-off I am willing to make. Experience louder fan volumes, somewhat worse temperatures, etc etc... But my back and shoulders (which is already cracking after overexertion in the military) survive. Worth it.

Anyway, my ideal notebook, given current trends:

Intel i9–8950HK
nVidia GTX 2070 (expecting performance between GTX 1080 and 1080 Ti)
32 GB 2666 MHz DDR4
15.6" 2560×1440 120 Hz HDR IPS G-Sync display
256 GB M.2 NVMe
1 TB M.2 SATA
2 TB 2.5" SATA SSD/HDD
Intel Wireless-AC 9260/9560

All in a chassis within the dimensions of the P650HS.

 

The tough bit is that a thin somewhat powerful piece of equipment with a really nice screen is a beautiful thing. On the other side disposable expensive hardware sucks.

My next laptop will be LGA if I can manage it because I honesty don't mind carrying one around for the added performance, longevity and flexibility. But I am willing to compromise when it comes to my smartphone (I like smartphones with big screens and some capability).

 

I highly doubt that the gtx 2070 will be faster than gtx 1080, mainly because of the process nvidia is using. The jump from TSMC 16nm to 12nm yields about 10-15% clock speed increase and little improvement in transistor density (12nm is supposed to offer a 20% increase in transistor density vs 16nm, but the GV100 chip offers a similar transistor density as GP100). I expect a 30-40% performance improvement vs pascal. For more information read this reddit thread.

 

You are linking to a 4 month old Reddit opinion piece that concludes with "...my best guess is..."

Opinions and guesswork are great...but I will wait to see the production pieces to see what they actually do before forming my own opinion, and leave the guesswork out of it.

 

looks like you're finally getting it, at the same time not really, i guess we need to work harder to constantly drilling these info into people. intel doesn't do this secretly, they right out openly sell inferior binned cpu with higher cost. bga is a great example, bga i9 is an excellent example.

@Papusan that 33%, ouch...

 

Who cares about a slightly worse binned CPU? Nobody is going to care if a locked CPU can't run on higher clocks on a slightly less voltage, get out of here.

your notebook is the best example really. 8700K best binned CPU which can reach 5.2 - 5.4 ghz on a acceptable voltage, wasted in a trash notebook chasis, which causes the CPU to be doomed to throttle due to overheat for it's short lifecycle. Meanwhile less binned CPU's being used as BGA to live a long healthy life while only having slightly less performace.

 

Yeah its not like BGA CPUs ever overheat due to rubbish cooling even though the CPUs are limited to half the power of the LGA chips.

Just saw a review today of some Asus GL5something with a 144hz panel, maximum 7700HQ temp 99C, thermal throttling during games. Yeah that'll live forever.

 

To sum up the video ( and some of the discussion here ):

If all you care about is gaming, do not want a DTR (wanting less weight and more battery life), and don't care about raw performance as long as you get your FPS, or are not considered an enthusiast / hobbyist who wishes to tinker in order to squeeze ever last IPC out of your system, then a BGA ( even with the mobile CPU lower cache, lower clock speeds, and CPU is "soldered onto the board and can't be changed without full motherboard replacement, so they aren't too great for future upgrades" ) is something you should consider.

On the flip side, if you need to squeeze every last 'bit' of performance from your CPU for things scientific data crunching, video encoding, high performance database work, and any other high computational work, and don't mind tinkering with (or purchasing) delidded CPUs, performing simple modifications to cooling system (like removing the bottom cover baffle), putting the machine on a hard, flat surface propped up on bottle-caps, carrying the extra weight and consider the battery a built in UPS, you can go with the former option or choose an Desktop based LGA for 18% to 25% better CPU performance.

 

Yeah, all can see something doesn't work as it should with the tested model. Both for stock and the 4.9GHz overclock.

49x working as it should vs the same 49x overclock showed in the video (Tested on my P870DM with 7700K).


From bottom 4.5GHz. Each box above = +1bin. Test run with 48x

Yeah, The MB lottery ain't nice (we can't talk about CPU binning as you cant' can't bin your own chips). -.180mv vs -.115mv is more like 2 bin lower possible overclock. With everything soldered on MB instead of socketed hardware you have triple if not more opportunities to Lose Your Golden Binned BGA . Yees, 3 MB replacement ain't nice. And this Example below is not unique .


Btw.
Asus Zephyrus GX501 with 6-core Core i7-8750H and GTX 1080 Surfaces

Not cheap. 3 658.01 U.S. dollars

 

apparently u care, u'd complain about every little $h!t that clevo has done wrong and BGA will only make it worse.

 

Only thing I'm complaining about is excessive heat. crappy heatsink designs or generally putting high end hardware in a crappy chasis. The 7820HK doesn't belong in slim case, the 8700K doens't belong in a laptop, a GTX 1080 doesn't belong in a razer.

 

My guess is the reviewer didn't set up his test rig with a set of nylon stockings!

 

Or put it the other way... Most likely would a lady in nylon stockings (I can see you @thattechgirl_viv ) understood what was wrong and put it up correctly

 

they belong as long as you can cool it, heck even if you cant cool it they'll put it in there, gimp it and sell it to consumers at full price. unlike other oem/odm, clevo gives half decent hardware that is capable of mod/fixing. 8700k is excellent in a this laptop.

 

I agree. There are no rules as to "what belongs" and there should not be any rules like that. There is a broken mentality that there should be, and that's why almost everything sold now is crippled BGA garbage. Preconceived notions about things like this tend to ruin everything and keep us all mired in the status quo.

There is nothing any more wrong with using a desktop CPU in a laptop than there was using a mobile Extreme CPU in a laptop. There should be rules for quality control, power handling, cooling and form factor. Because there are no rules everything ships as crippled or malfunctioning garbage from the factory, and we see proprietary crap like multiple form factors for MXM. The "anything goes" and "buyer beware" state for laptops really sucks. So does proprietary hardware that interferes with simple repairs and component upgrades.

It used to be that ASUS was the only consistent oddball on proprietary notebook GPU crap, but now that the NVIDIOTS no longer support MXM standards, everyone has their own "better idea" and you can't do whatever you want to with the products you own. That really blows.

 

ask eurocom who sells P5000 for 2-3x compared to DELL PARTS STORE

90day warranty eurocom vs 1 year warranty dell too

 

well if dell is willing to sell it to you, assuming cpu/gpu not already soldered. back in the days with m18x r1/r2 was the good day, Dell had plenty of spare parts, willing to sell to consumer and it was WAY cheaper than to buy from ebay, you buy laptop from them, they also get spare parts available for you, now everything is turned to $h!t. im glad we still have rjtech/eurocom around. hoping to see more clevo parts seller around.

 

the precision series have mxm standard gpu but cpu is soldered

 

Due Quadro cards. Still old shape.

 

bga people need to wake the hell up and fast @hmscott @Ionising_Radiation @ many others



i still remember when @Danishblunt said delid makes no difference rofl. we pga/lga been going about this for years always wanting better cpu. thanks to SL and some other outlet we now have that option, for a premium, because intel decided to not use solder.

ASSUMING BGA is higher quality, then technically without the extra IHS BGA should run cooler, higher clocked than LGA. theres a reason why BGA does neither, and that is because it is WORSE in terms of quality. some of these contradiction makes thing blatantly obvious, all the facts are there and people just need to put them together and they'll start to realize it, but sheeps are sheeps

 

papusan also had a nice example, i wonder what BGA boys have to say about the quote in red. since people blocks them, i'll repost it for him.

 

The mentioned diffrence in quality on chips... -.65mv is same as you go up from 4.8/4.9 and up to 5.3GHz on a Kaby lake chips from Silicon lottery... Or from 4.8Ghz and up to 5.3GHz for Coffee. This speaks numbers. And you can't do a ****y if the MB or other components on it go to Hell.

 

because fan profile is not a thing.

Typical LGA trying to argue why his throttling furnace is superior to a CPU that runs at low RPM @ 57-65c

 

LOL! Isn't 'Denial' a river in Egypt?

Here are some @Papusan CB benches -
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ers-welcome-too.810490/page-195#post-10703354 . Temps on one 50C, the other pushed harder to 5.1GHz, but still averaging LESS than 70C on all cores. Not hardly what one would call a throttling infernal.

 

you gotta stop sleep talking mate. when even some bga owners start to see the problem, you can no longer get out of the hole you've dugged. now clevo just need to make a bigger heatsink so we can get ready for 8 core CFL-S at 5ghz

 

any information the new i7 8750h will be using DDR4 2400Mhz or 2666Mhz ?

 

most likely 2666 just like all other CFL

 

https://read01.com/2G8PzRo.html#.WsEMrX-YPIU

 

7000 for 8760H and 1060.. thats roughly around $2k USD right? damn expensive.

 

wowzer performance https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce...ores-2-5ghz-clock-titan-crushing-performance/







































april not fools, not 1st

 

That's such an obvious April fools it's not worth listing all the things that don't add up.

Most obvious: nvidia would not offer >2x performance for a similar price in the absence of having a competitor for the prior gen x80ti let alone the new one.

 

Yees, sir. I have already put it here http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-27#post-10704427

 

Hasee is a cheap chinese brand, popular here in Brazil, although not so cheap here because of the 100% custom tax. From the link the highest config is with a 1060 and 6999 yuan is about 1110 USD.