Intel’s Core-X i9 and i7 series (x299) & Xeon (1P/2P)

Building an X299 System: MSI X299 SLI Plus and GTX 1080

 

Skylake-X Benchmarks! Core i9 7900X vs 7820X vs 7800X vs 7740X!

 

MSI X299 SLI Plus Motherboard Review + Linux Test

 

Intel Skylake-X Review! Core i9 7900X! Core i7 7820X/ 7800X/ 7740X!

 

Are we going to see these in a Clevo?

 

Nope - You'd need a minimum 500W power brick.

 

Which "these" are you talking about, I posted 2 videos both with X299, but one mentions Coffee Lake...

Coffee lake maybe, if Intel doesn't require a socket or chipset upgrade to support it. It's supposed to be 1151 pin, but it might need different functions to work - so an 1151v2 + 3xx Motherboard Chipset, we don't know yet.

X299?, never say never...but, probably never.

 

But we already have this:


780W power brick.

Any, except the motherboard ofc.

 

Okay, and how do we cool it? It's basically 2 1080 GPUs crammed in a smaller die than a single 1080. As @D2 Ultima has pointed out - the biggest problem is heat density. X299 in a laptop is either going to be an absolutely massively-sized absurdity or a massive overheating failure.

 

Ultimately, users need a desktop and not a DTR laptop for x299 based chipsets. Maybe 10nm based CPUs from Intel could be more feasible for DTRs.

 

X299 will never hit laptops. ***ALL*** the CPUs need a delid. Period. They won't officially sell delidded chips.

 

Since all mobile variants could be different from the desktop variety they could be BGA and not even have a lid. Now x299 desktop chips as they are may never reach mobile systems is a reasonable assumption. .

 

Mobile chips have never been HEDT. Not once. They've all been taken from the mainstream platform.

X299 is HEDT, and thus would never be BGA or open-lid.

Mainstream intel = i7s 870, 2600K, 3770K, 4790K, 5775C, 6700K, 7700K, etc. i5s 750, 2500, 3570, 4690K, 6600K, 7500, etc. 16 PCI/e CPU lanes only. Mobile chips from the 3940XM to the i5-6300HQ are all based off these chips. Only the -U chips and core Y/M chips are really different, because they're extremely low power.
HEDT intel = i7s 950, 980X, 3930K, 4960X, 5960X, 6850K, etc. Now, they're just called i9s. There's no functional difference. 28 to 40 CPU lanes; Skylake-E has 44 instead of 40 for qualifying CPUs.

The other difference from i9 naming is that they're all suddenly "X" chips. The "X" meant the highest end chip of the architecture per platform. i7-920XM was "extreme" mobile, while its counterparts were i7-980X etc. 3960X, 4960X, 5960X, 6950X, etc. The rest just had "K" for unlocked multipliers from Sandy Bridge -E onward. Now they're all X, and the top dog 18-core is "XE". Great job intel marketing team. Screwed up an entire established naming system so it looks like your far worse-production stuff is now better and more attractive to buy.

 

Funny, you say in the post x299 would never be BGA but in the same post you then mention their other screw ups. With Intel never say they will not screw it up somehow!

 

The only reason it isn't going to be BGA is because desktop users don't pay for enthusiast-grade BGA hardware (funny since they're willing to for laptops but ehhh...)

There are soldered mainstream desktop chips; they used to be the "T" chips (like 4790T) but I don't know what the "T" denotation stands for anymore; I believe there were socketed skylake "T" desktop chips so I'm confused.

Intel doesn't know how to compete and is absolutely idiotic because they feel they can still overcharge for low production value products when competition exists, but they're not stupid enough to think any user is going to pay for a $2000 desktop CPU that cannot be removed from a motherboard. Even if they DID tell users to not overclock 7700Ks if they're worried about the heat, even though the chip exists to be overclocked. Yes, there is a very fine line between that level of stupid and the level of stupid thinking that a desktop enthusiast would buy $2000 soldered CPU hardware, but BGAtel Intel has not crossed it yet. They're just somewhere kind of teetering in the middle, walking a tightrope of utter incompetent stupidity and totally full retard.

It's actually kind of funny imagining it.

 

But some of they have HEDT price Maybe people being confused of the price, and think they pay for high end?

 

X299 Chipset Explained: How does it compare to X99 + Z270?

 

Oh, as far as no mobile HEDT, doesn't the new R7 1700 ROG qualify?

 

AMD's HEDT platform is the upcoming threadripper/X399

 

I thought 8 core used to be HEDT but I guess now we are upgrading it.

 

Link;
http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-7920x-full-specifications-leak/

 

It's about time 6-8 cores became mainstream

 

i wouldnt be surprised to see a HEDT mobile chip really and intel prob would be doing this donno why they havent. slap the same 4c BGA with 200mhz extra and with X or XE at the end and then calls it mobile HEDT and charge $1100 more than the default $350 and be done with it.

 

LOL. pitiful fools.. bought into $550 for 7920HQ that would be just like me 6yrs ago when i entered laptop space. but naw i went for 2630QM and then upgraded to 3940xm later on diy. instead of paying Dell's absurd price that shows the same on intel's website "$1096" i got from ebay for $370 with a decent chip.

 

Intel - Anti-Competitive, Anti-Consumer, Anti-Technology.


Are we MAD at Intel?!

 

There is no doubt with OEM's Intel has not played fair. The little slaps on the back of the hand meant little. Hopefully this time around the well known tactics won't be gotten away with.

While Ryzen is not clearly superior, like the early Athlon 64 was, it is a very strong competitor of the Intel offerings.

 

Intel has not played fair with OEM's at what, specifically?

Strong competitor isn't enough to base a purchase on when productivity is the goal. Ryzen is superior at certain performance metrics (high core/thread count scenarios) and if that is your workload today; it is the better choice. Almost everyone else is best served by the 'under performing' and 'under delivering' Intel platforms instead.

I haven't seen that first (35 minute video) yet (but I will, eventually). But that second video is pure click bait. What are my 'feelings' for AMD vs. Intel? I got no feelings for either of those companies. Feelings have nothing to do with what I buy to keep my business afloat.

They both simply provide tools for me to use and the tools Intel provides have always been better for me (and my client's) uses.

Yeah; I've tried AMD a fair number of times over the years; it's always been a no-go.

Spending $$$$ to support who you 'feel' deserves it is not a good personal or business strategy. Regardless of what youtubers may slyly imply.

 

Specifically, watch the 1st video. If you are not angry when you think about for how long Intel's actions have hurt your consumer experience and choices, you don't grasp the scale and aftermath of what they have done.

The one that jaw floored me was when AMD floated the idea of giving Dell a MILLION FREE CPUs which was rejected out of hand because Intel's bribes were that huge!

It might sound a bit biased near the end where he bags Intel for its littany of failed projects, a criticism that could be leveled at just about any hardware manufacturer that's been around for long enough, but that's a minor side issue imo.

 

Still haven't watched it (but hope to in the next few days...).

But... AMD offering a what Intel is accused of isn't also bribery? Sounds like double standards are applied to each.

 

This is not just what they are accused of, it is actual facts. Intel paid allot of money to keep AMD at bay and for OEM's to use just their chips. The shear multitude of cases, private and public, that were brought against Intel and subsequently lost by them. Your statement of this being a double standard is like blaming the rape victim for being raped and complaining about it, typical wrong doers attitude!

You just love to be the bad guy. Keep the trolling up and see the response.

 

Gigabyte X299 Gaming 9 Analysis & VRM Heat Calculations

 

ASUS PRIME X299-DELUXE - A Truly Flagship Level Motherboard

 

Intel Xeon Scalable Debuts: Dual Xeon Platinum 8176 With 112 Threads Tested

 

Intel’s 8th Gen 14nm++ Coffee Lake Processors Will Require All-New Motherboards
https://hothardware.com/news/intel-coffee-lake-processors-require-new-motherboards

Coffee Lake Processors Will Require All-New Motherboards

 

This is really something we have to consider before thinking to buy any new systems for now.

 

Pre Binned Skylake X chips(x299) and how they being tested. Notebookcheck.net

 

And, it looks like the Coffee Lake motherboard chipset / motherboard socket will be changed again for Cannon Lake, mid 2018.

That video brought up a good point as well, if you are planning on changing to another motherboard to support Coffee Lake, why not invest in the 4 year support plan for AMD Ryzen instead or AMD ThreadRipper instead?

 

SiliconLottery has had them for a while now...

LGA 2066
https://siliconlottery.com/collections/lga-2066

They sell out almost as quickly as they are posted. There just aren't enough of them binned from the vast quantity tested.

Unicorns like these are tough to find.

"OverlockersUK has recently listed the new Socket 2066 (X299) processors on their website with a range of options:

• i7-7740X from 5.0 to 5.4 GHz at GB£360 - 500 (US$469 - 651)

• i7-7800X from 4.7 to 5.0 GHz at GB£429 - 600 (US$559 - 782)

• i9-7900X from 4.7 to 4.9 GHz at GB£990 - 1200 (US$1290 - 1564)"

8Pack on delidding X299 CPUs, pretested CPU's and X299 Bundles


"Removing the Silicon Lottery" LOL

SiliconLottery has removed the %'s of each product found in their testing. That used to be very helpful when deciding whether to roll the dice and buy a cheaper off the shelf CPU.

 

I haven't seen Silicon lottery push for [email protected]. It's too early. Seems they put one bin lower for some processors.

Edit. @hmscott I posted Silicon Lottery's new changes long time ago in Clevo OC thread.

 

Silicon Lottery probably hasn't made a listing for the 4.9ghz 7900x because it hasn't seen any, or enough to make a listing

UK Clockers likely made a bunch of place holders, I doubt they've found or sold any either:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/intel-core-i9-7900x-pre-binned-4.9ghz-processor-cp-00f-oe.html

 

See also my Edit. Regarding your reply in bottom of your last posts #138.

 

Aorus Gaming 9: X299 Motherboard from Gigabyte + Linux Test (incl IOMMU)

 

The Lizardmen At Intel Wont Let You Have Cores | CRIT Show 0033

 

Intel Stock Cooler on STEROIDS? Another Intel Fail

 

der8auer Delid Die Mate X Review - X299 Delid Tool For Kaby Lake-X & Skylake-X CPUs

 

Asus ROG Rampage VI Apex Review

 

Intel Core i9-7920X Skylake-X Processor Delidded Revealing Massive Monolithic Die

delidding and one of the reasons why adventurous overclockers attempt the risky procedure is to replace the thermal interface material (TIM) with higher quality paste. It is also neat to see what a naked processor looks like, and to that end, der8auer posted an image to Facebook showing a delidded Intel Core i9-7920X processor.

The Core i9-7920X is a high-end desktop (HEDT) chips based on Intel's performance oriented Skylake-X architecture. It is not the top chip in the Skylake-X stack—that rung is occupied with the Core i9-7980XE Extreme Edition—but is just as big (physically) as the rest of the enthusiast lineup. Here is a look:



Isn't she a beauty? The Core i9-7920X is also quite the powerhouse—it boasts 12 physical cores and 24 threads of computing muscle, with a 2.9GHz base clock and 4.3GHz Turbo clock (or 4.4GHz if boosting just a single core). This is supplemented with 16.5MB of L3 cache. And perhaps more importantly for power users, the Core i9-7920X offers access to 44 PCI-Express 3.0 lanes.

It takes a bit of bravery to delid this chip, as it carries a retail price of $1,199. In the old days, delidding was a delicate process that involved heat, a razor, a steady hand, lots of patience, and maybe a bit of ill-placed courage. And in some cases all of that still applies. However, der8auer designed a special tool called the Delid-Die-Mate X that makes the process easier.

There is still some risk involved, though overclockers who are looking to squeeze the most performance out their Skylake-X chips may find that it is worth it. That is because Intel is still using a TIM solution underneath the heatspreader instead of higher quality solder. Applying better TIM than what Intel is using can lower temperatures, which potentially yields greater overclocking headroom.

 

Intel Xeon W Processors Likely Brains And Brawn Behind New iMac Pro, Other Top Workstations
Intel is ready to assault the workstation market with the release of new processors that are part of the Xeon W family. Intel claims that the Xeon W series processors up to 1.36x times faster than their previous generation counterparts, and are up to 1.87x faster than chips from four years ago.




All of the new Xeon W processors are built on Intel’s 14nm+ processor technology, support Intel Mesh architecture, slot into LGA 2066 motherboards and come with 48 PCIe 3.0 lanes. You can also expect full support for Intel Turbo Boost Technology 2.0, quad-channel DDR4-2666 ECC memory, and AVX-512 acceleration.

 

Looks like Intel is releasing prototypes which were slated to release in 2025, because of Zen master they decided to use it now to avoid losing market share and money.