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Thanks for your advice. How much do Zalman NC1000 and Cooler Master Notepal Infinite cost?(In USD$ currency)

 

38$ or 40$ for the Zalman depending on color

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=zalman+nc1000&x=0&y=0

the notepal is 31$

http://www.expansys-usa.com/p.aspx?i=154090

 

Thanks X2P, I will think for it.

 

No problem

 

We should add good/safe/unsafe temperatures for reference. "is my temp okay?" questions pop up alot.

 

That is for sure. I'm not sure my temp is safe or no too. =)

 

Ill get on it

 

A new section has been added to the guide

"Are you Overheating?"

Thanks to Gophn!

This update was at 17:30 JST 2008/07/01

 

Good post.... although there are minor grammatical errors here and there (many on my posts)

 

65C for hdd? I start crying when mine gets to around 55C... But I guess yes, 60C-65C is about right.

 

What kind of cooling tips can you give for Gateway P-6831FX laptops? I have an ES T9500 (according to CPU-ID it gets 1.263V) and my avarage temp while playing Wolrd of Warcraft is 65-70°C . Any tips how can I fix this? (without performance loss)

 

65-70C CPU temp I am guessing? That is a pretty good temp actually, and you can further reduce the temp by undervolting. How old is your notebook? If its 2-3 months then why not give it a clean.

 

Yes CPU temp And yes my laptop is older than 3months, but the CPU is just in it since a few days On the first page it writes that "CPU danger temperature is around 70C", but for this type of T9500 (which was designed to use this Voltage) 70C is just avarage?

I never undervolted before, can you recommend a program which 100% can handle this CPU? And also, can you recommend a Voltage where the CPU can be cooler but I don't loose performance? Thx!

 

You can follow the undervolting guide here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=235824

 

Unfortunately it seems that Rightmark does not see my Voltage right At least it writes 1.1500V for x13 multiplier and CPU-Z writes 1.263V for the same multiplier

 

lol
this works better than having a cooler. i tried it as well, but used an expensive air jordan shoe box. with 2 4" 12v fans under each vent. just to see what it would do. and it actually works in lowering temps during game play and dropping them fast when not playing games. just doesn't look practical or ethical and your friends will probably call you a cheap skate, but it works better than them coolers for the 6860/6831/172's. someone is making a home made cooler with this type of design in mind. where the fans hit all the vents for the p series gateway.(minues the box and the 4" height. -i know someone will jump on this like it was going to be part of the design-) i'm just waiting on him to come with the finished product.

 

70C max is perfectly fine for any notebook CPU. About the undervolting, if you post in the UV guide, flipfire might be able to help you.

 

Okay, thx m8!

 

LOL
How did I miss that thread Johnny?

 

hehehe! You will definitely get your thread linked in here.

 

hey everyone,
my 8510p is overheating.
my plan was to replace the stock thermal paste with AS5, but when i saw just how low Destiny's temps were...i think something is seriously wrong...
well...here are my temps:

(after approx. 15 min in Half Life 2 with a couple of mins to cool down,
so disregard anything but the max temps,
also, the min temps are from idling the whole night)
on "balanced" profile in vista
mind you, the cores are already undervolted.
from 1.175V to 1.075V (on 11x multiplier)
before undervolting, the notebook would shut itself off, presumably to avoid overheating.
neither the CPU or GPU are overclocked, i just have the latest bios revision (F.11), which doesn't have the GPU underclocked anymore (was causing issues).
i have the latest catalyst mobile drivers from hp.
also, i can't seem to make out which of the temps is for my GPU. can someone help me with that?

i've had the notebook for about 4 months and haven't yet cleaned the dust out. i intend to, this weekend, since a HP tech guy told me i could safely remove the keyboard and the fan, but if any damage would appear as a result of removing the fan, the warranty would be void. not really worried, since i had replaced thermal paste on a compaq laptop couple of months ago and it went fine
anyway, could these temps be the result of dust + improperly applied thermal paste?

any and all help would be much appreciated.

my specs are:
[email protected], 2GB ram, ATI HD2600 256MB ram, Hitachi 160GB@5400rpm.

 

i would start with cleaning the fans and making sure the fan is running on high when the laptop reaches something like 60c to 70c's. if not, then it could be the bios. since the bios controls the cpu fan.

edit: Johnny is right. redo the cpu, but this time when you put it on set the heat sink on very lightly, then very slightly push down so the paste does not squirt out the sides. this seems to be common practice when applying the paste. and it doesn't get a good seal. so when it hardens, there are gaps between the cpu and heat sink.

 

Improperly installed thermal paste is a distinct possibility. I think a combination of cleaning, UV'ing and changing thermal paste should fix the problem.

 

Well, I fixed my GPU overheating problem by just lifting up the back of the notebook and using better drivers, but now my CPU is still getting up to even 80 sometimes. I'm going to undervolt that tomorrow, but my last concern is that ACPI temperature on HWmonitor. Mine's reaching 88C, so I was just wondering what that thing is..

 

gonna try cleaning changing thermal paste + UV + new drivers this weekend.
will paste back with results.

 

Good luck with that.

 

As I said in the other thread, clean the dust out BEFORE doing anything to the thermal paste. Follow the guide in my sig since it's for an 8510p.

 

I love all the guides you guys have, great work/commitment to the NBR! With that said, I thought I'd give your FAQ a swing.

1. What notebook do you own/going to own?
"Going to own" the Sager 9262 (a.k.a. the Clevo D901C chassis).

2. Specs of the notebook
17" WUXGA (1920 x 1200) Gloss
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz w/ 12MB L2 Cache - 1333MHz FSB
Nvidia GeForce 8800m GTX in SLI (2x 512mb) w/ GDDR3 DX10
200GB 7200RPM SATA2 (3 gb/s) - 16MB Cache (THREE in RAID 5 Config)
4GB DDR2 800MHz RAM (2x 2GB)
Win Vista 64x
7-in-1 Card Reader (perhaps I can plug in a fan like this or this in there?)

3. Maximum and minimum temperature of CPU/GPU/HDD in Celsius and if possible idle and load times.
Haven't received the machine yet, so I couldn't say.

4. What sort of cooling solutions are you looking for?
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Paste (applied by retailer for me). If you think there is a far-superior paste to pursue, however, then I will use that myself (or ask the retailer to do so for me).
Searching for a good laptop cooler (possibly the Zalmans) that work well with the D910C chassis. It doesn't need to be transportable (it will stay at home and in my dorm room at all times). Preferablly would accept wall outlet AND laptop-usb power.
Also looking for a good fan to go in the 7-in-1 card reader (if you guys consider it worthwhile, that is). If not, what is your rule-of-thumb on leaving in the dummy card?
Also looking for a good canned-air to clean out fans WITHOUT having to open the chassis. A "good" canned-air would be something where the PSI isn't so strong that it might jiggle/scratch any of the internal hardware components (thus ruining and voiding my warranty). I intend to open the chassis every so often (3-6 months), but would like to be able to can-spray the vents every 2-4 weeks, without having to spend more than 1-2 minutes of effort.
Also wondering how impacting RAM temperatures are to the system and if the RAM manufacturer is important in this respect (e.g. corsair, ocz, kingston).
Lastly, you mentioned bundling wires and keeping your desk clean. What about bundling/shortening the wires within the notebook itself? Any significant gains in pursuing this?

5. Budget for cooling solutions?
Budget is not a problem.

6. Your general computer knowledge (Beginner to Expert)
I've read most your guides already and other non-NBR stuff. I've taken apart computers (very old ones, admittedly). I'm no "Guru", though, contrary to the statement beneath my name, ha-ha. I'd say I'm low-intermediate when it comes to hardware and high-intermediate when it comes to software (by NBR standards..."real world" standards most people would say I'm an expert in both fields, ha-ha).

 

well...the notebook survived
and the core temps (idling) dropped 4°C in the first few minutes weee

that might be from the 2-3mm thick dust filter i collected off of the heatsink
i found that a HUGE excess of paste was applied (the surroundings of the CPU and GPU cores were all messy), also the paste seemed really...uhm...hardened. like burned to a crisp...
anyway...
here are the pics from the surgery:






the first surprise was the amount of dust!! no wonder it was overheating..
the second, the amount of paste.

after i cleaned all of the paste from the heatsink and the cores, i carefully applied a thin layer of AS5 and reassembled everything. well...almost everything i forgot to plug in the fan
but i remembered before the laptop passed the POST check, so..no biggie
very satisfied with the results. will try gaming today and post back. with more results.

(since my writing may seem very confused i'm going to post a)
CONCLUSION: it's a very rewarding procedure. if you have high temps i too would highly reccomend at least cleaning out the dust. it's so unbelievably easy with this model (the 8510p from HP). just follow the guide jin07 wrote.

 

Great notebook your getting!!! but we will avoid to recomend anything for now until you get the notebook and figure out whats hot and whats note

 

well...been gaming for about half an hour...
very happy with the results

seems that this dust cleaning should become a habit

EDIT: my gf is asking me to clean her laptop now

 

Thats great to hear! Great example to all...

 

paranoiadotkom: Good results. I thought the dust was the problem, hence why I was so insistent. I had the same problem you had and was shocked at the amount of dust. There was so much blocking the vent, that the heat actually burned a layer of the dust (which made it overheat even more).

 

Ha-ha, thanks. It should be a kick @$$ machine. I realize I don't need to know quite all this stuff yet (destop cooler, extra 7-in-1 card fan, undervolting, compressed air can, etc). However, some of it is quite pertinent, though I have yet to get the machine. I plan to place to order in the next few days. However, I need to decide now on certain things such as...

1. Should I opt for the Artctic Silver 5, or should I have them hold-off on the paste and put a BETTER substance on myself? Provided you guys know of any worthwhile to do this.
2. How RAM heat dispersion affects the computer. I'd imagine it would, but I haven't seen this addressed. If so, then I may opt for the minnimum amount of RAM. Then replace the RAM with a different preferred RAM (e.g. kingston). Some of the retailers offer Kingston, however, so I could simply straight-order it from them (RAM is so cheap these days anyhow, unless you're getting a 4GB stick, lol).
3. I won't be willing to fiddle with the wires inside the machine myself. Beyond the scope of my intentions. However, I am calling up all these retailers and I might ask them and see what they can do about taught/organized wiring. This would be the time to do it, lol.

I doubt the #3 will occur and I haven't heard of any pastes (perhaps ceramics? Read something about that somewhere...) to replace the Arctic Silver 5 (#1). That still leaves a big consideration on #2. I would hate to buy 4GB poor RAM from the retailer to then turn-around and sell/re-buy a new brand (wasting time & money in the process). At the momment, from what I can tell, OCZ/Kingston seem like the best choices (I'm not going into the 800MHz vs 667MHz discussion or DDR2 vs DDR3 discussion, I've resolved those long ago, ha-ha).

 

Hi,

1. What notebook do you own/going to own?
Dell Inspiron XPS Gen 2

2. Specs of the notebook
Intel pentium M 770, 2.1 Ghz, 2MB L2 Cache
Nvidia GeForce Go 6800 ultra 256mb
2GB RAM DDR2-SDRAM
80GB HDD

3. Maximum and minimum temperature of CPU/GPU/HDD in Celsius and if possible idle and load times.
CPU 51 min, 96 max
GPU 64 min, 99 max (when playing WoW, its goes up to about 95-99)
HDD 40 min, 45 max

The laptop is about 3 years old now, but about 12 months ago it was getting very hot like this and I called Dell and they replaced the motherboard, gpu and fans, and then it was perfect (as of now it is over the warranty time).
It has now started getting super hot again.

4. What sort of cooling solutions are you looking for?
I tried undervolting and the cpu dropped about 3-5 degrees at its max temp.
I would clean fans if I knew how to take the laptop apart to get at the fans.
Maybe a laptop cooler, if I could find a good one that is not too expensive (in Ireland).
Thermal paste would be nice, but I dont think I'd have the confidence to do it myself.

5. Budget for cooling solutions?
about €50.

6. Your general computer knowledge (Beginner to Expert)
I tried to clean the fans, but I dont know how exactly to get at them in the xps gen 2.
I was able to take off the keyboard, remove memory, hdd and wireless antenae wires. I almost had the screen off, but one of the screws is extremely tight and I could not remove it.
Several other screws were also very tight and I was unable to remove them from under the laptop.


I feel happy enough to try and take the laptop apart, but I really dont know where to start...like to I need to remove the screen or just all the screws from the bottom and then I can gain access to the fans/heat sink...

Does anyone know how to take xps gen 2 apart so I could clean the fans? Dont need exact instructions, just some simple guildlines to guide me in the right direction so I dont create a big mess

thanks

 

Hi, I have a Dell xps 1330 13 inch notebook with 8400 GPU and 8300 penryn cpu core 2 duo processor. I also have an led screen, 2 gb ram, and 120 gb 7200 harddrive. I also am running Vista 64 bit. First, I want to know if there is anything more I need to know other than your maximum temperature guidelines, in other words, is there something different about this laptop that I should look for different temperatures? Then, which temperature programs should I use? Everest trial does not measure any temperature other than cpu (40 degrees celcius). Notebook hardware control does not install on 64 bit vista and there are no temperature readings in rivatuner. In8Kfan does not measure dell temperatures correctly, I believe. You have a note saying you have a note on dell computers for this software but there is no note that I can see. Help! Much thanks, Yasmine

 

@voyager74656... http://support.euro.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/insXPSG2/en/sm/index.htm Service manual for your notebook.

@yasdaz...I am not too good with Dells... I'll give X2P a shout and shold reply within the next 24 hrs.

 

Thank you! Also, how can I get Cupid Hardware Monitor? TIA, Yasmine

 

http://www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php

Near top left.

 

Thank you for the cupid link; for some reason it was not found by googling, weird! I have tried all of the software on the first page under monitoring. Notebook Hardware Control, RM Clock and I8Kfan cannot be installed; I think the problem (at least with RM Clock and I8Kfan) is that I am running Vista 64 bit. Can anyone confirm/help? Much thanks!

 

Here's mine under about 60-80% load.

 

You need to use the 64bit drivers found in my guide for RMclock to work. (Its near the bottom of the guide)

 

i do not like those temps one bit.

Your vents are heavily clogged with dust... I am confident about that.

You need to get some compressed air cans and blow out the vents (this does not require you to dismantle the notebook).

Just focus on airing out the vents.
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Here is my famous Copy/Paste:

If you are overheating... usually any temp over 90C degrees is bad.

when was the last time that you cleaned out the fans and vents thoroughly...?

if never, then thats why.

1) remove battery
2) remove/unscrew the panels on the bottom of the notebook to get to fans and vents (if possible)
3) use flashlight to look through vents for the dust (if you cant see the light on the other end, then the vents are clogged up)
4) go outside, get some compressed air (cans or compressor @ 50 PSI) and give the vents a good airing out all directions ( concentrating on the vents)
.... you might want to brace the fan blade(s) when airing it out (with a toothpick or paperclip to prevent it from spinning out too much)
.... or use short bursts (1-2 secs) of air instead of bracing the fans.
5) go get some Q-tips and swab the fan blades and the area around it
6) then go do a second airing with compressed air (all directions again focusing on the fans and vents) to push out the dust that was dislodged from the Q-tips

7*) Now go use the flashlight again and look through the vents (shine the flashlight from the fan, you look through the other end) for anymore dust clogs.

8) Then start up the notebook... and let the fans cycle up (use the Fan Toggle at max speed if your system has it) to push out any other dust that might have been stuck.

If all goes well you should be able to close up the notebook and...

you're done.

*repeat this step until its cleaned out.

Thats pretty much it.

Just make sure to do this every two-three months... it should take about 15-20min per cleaning if you want to be thorough.

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Gaming notebooks are a new thing, you must realize that you have to take some extra care of them over typical use notebooks:

1) Battery: to maintain the longevity of any rechargeable battery
- you must NEVER overcharge it [especially for long durations of time] by keeping it plugged into AC
- when it reaches 100% you should unplug it and let it discharge to 5-15%, then plug it back to power
- OR you can just charge it to 50%+ and remove the battery and store in cool place.. not the fridge [remember to use it occasionally 3-4 time a year to charge and discharge it].

2.) Heat: to prevent a healthy notebook from overheating
- ALWAYS use the notebook on a clean, hard & flat surface
- RECOMMENDED to be used on a notebook cooler... namely the Zalman ZM-NC1000 or ZM-NC2000
- check your fans underneath occasionally (at least once a month or two) for any dust clogs [clean them out with Q-tips and air cans/compressors]
- ALWAYS monitor the temps (CPU, GPU, HDD, etc..) to watch for fluctuations, which would indicate overheating by dust usually
(for Clevo notebooks) use the Fan Toggle to switch all fans to Max Speed when gaming and such.

By doing these simple things, your entire system will easily last for more than 3 years.

 

Hi,

I just received my new Dell XPS M1730 a week ago and it seems to be running hot. I just wanted to make sure my temps were okay if someone can tell me this. I Downloaded HW monitor.

1. Dell XPS M1730

2. Specs- T8300 - 2.4GHZ- 32 bit- Vista- 160Gb HD 7200RPM- NVida SLI 8700's

3. Maximum and minimum temperature
CPU1 Max 48c Min 32c CPU0 Max 45c Min 33c
GPU Max 67c Min 61c
HDD Max 42c Min 40c

THM- 48c - 32c

I'm a Beginner for sure. I am just wondering if it is normal for this PC to get so hot. I called dell and they said yes, even after I told them the DVD I took out of the drive was hot to the touch. Today I am noticing my palm rest is also hot. Most the heat is coming from the left side of the laptop and I even have a house fan blowing right on it.

Any help or thoughts are appreciated.

Thank you!

 

1. Gateway P-FX6860

2. Specs- T5550, 4Gb RAM, 320Gb 5,400RPM HDD, Nvidia 8800m GTS

3. Maximum/Minimum (Idle/HDD Defrag)

CPU 1- 37/53
CPU 2- 39/55
GPU- 43/45
HDD-56/56

I am more worried about my HDD, as those temps seem pretty high. As of now, I have 2 DVD cases under my battery, which keeps the notebook elevated so it can ventilate the air.

I am defragging the HDD now, so that's why the HDD temps are so high. Hopefully this fixes the problem.

 

try moving the dvd cases to the center of the laptop so that the entire laptop is elevated (temporary solution) to see if the hd temp goes down. if it wasnt for the hd being in a fully enclosed cage, i doubt the hd temps would be that high. but you have to learn to work around these things. same laptop as you but different specs:
Idle:
CPU 0/1 24 & 22C
GPU 39C
HDD 25C

Under load:
CPU 39 & 37C
GPU 48C
HDD 39C

 

I have the DVD cases in the middle now. Once the HDD stop defragging, I will be able to tell if it made a difference.

 

keep us updated on those hd temps till you are able to get a cooler.

 

Johnny is green :O

 

I have a quick question about HWMonitor, can i leave it runing during a gaming session and will it record the varing temps as i game?

I'm not bothered about seeing the temps in game as i know Rivatuner does, i just want to know if HWMonitor will record the temps so i can view them later