Nvidia Thread

Will be a tough chip to cool I think.

Looking forward to the presentation tonight. Lets see what we will receive.

 

Nvidia RTX 2080 & RTX 2080ti Leaks, Final Look Before Launch
Blunty
Published on Aug 19, 2018
Nvidia RTX 2080 & RTX 2080ti Leaks

 

http://clicklancashire.com/2018/08/...tial-geforce-rtx-2080-launch-at-gamescom.html

They will never be able to keep these new GPUs cool in a notebook. They would have to provide alternate cut down versions or stay status quo with the GTX 1080s until something is worked out with the ODMs and OEMs. Looking further the only ones I see that can be properly cooled is the new 2050s and 2060s. Those will not have the Ray Tracing architecture inside of them though which is a bummer for me as i was looking forward to games using the technology. Under these notions i will retire from buying notebooks and go full go on desktops from now on.

 

W

We’ll have to wait for the actual specs to be announced; then, we’ll have to wait for the actual specs of the mobile variants to be announced. Based on leaked information, the 2070 and 2080 card TDPs range between 180 - 210 watts. The P870 may be able to provide adequate cooling for at least one card. Not sure if it could handle 2 in SLI. Also not sure if the OEMs and ODMs are willing to go the extra distance to re-engineer the chassis to support the needed cooling.

 

https://www.twitch.tv/nvidia

 

I saw some of the same leaked specs. It still will be a major feat to cool a 2080 or 2070 in the P870 chassis as it stands now. In SLI it will be a furnace in that chassis not to mention trying to cool a 8700k or 8086k as well. We will definitely have to see what Clevo does with the P870 chassis when these cards drop. Rumor is August 20 is the drop date. Which is today!!!

 

It’s about TDP. And if it can run with equal temp or colder for each watt vs. Pascal. This means 190/200w cards. RTX 2070 is a 180w graphics and barely 8% above 1080. Why should/would Nvidia release a new
successor to 1080 chips who barely matching previous gen? I see you talk about 2050/2060.

Edit.
GALAX Confirms Specs of RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti

 

More Live Streams:

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Nvidia New GPU Announcement LIVE!
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Scheduled for Aug 20, 2018


NVIDIA GeForce Keynote - IGN Live at Gamescom 2018
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NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang gives the latest updates from NVIDIA's GeForce pre-Gamescom event.


Watch Nvidia's Announcement WITH ME!!!
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#graphics #nvidia #rtx2080ti - Watch Nvidia's announcement with me!

 

At GeForce Gaming Celebration event in Cologne, Germany, Jensen Huang officially introduced Turing-based GeForce RTX series


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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Announced – A $599 US Turing Based Graphics Card With Stellar Gaming Value, 2304 Cores and 8 GB GDDR6 VRAM


NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Graphics Card Unleashed – The Best Gaming Graphics Card for $799 US, Packs 8 GB GDDR6, 2944 Cores and Performance That Puts The GTX 1080 Ti to Shame


NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Graphics Card Unleashed – The Flagship GeForce Graphics Card, $1199 US for 11 GB GDDR6, 4352 Cores and Performance That Blazes Past the Titan V

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Nvidia Announces GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, 2080, 2070 (Developing)-Tomshardware.com

 

Those core counts remind me of AMD 290x.

 

Wow, just finished watching 2 hours of the NVidia presentation! I'm impressed! It's a major architectural change like I thought it was going to be concerning the RT cores & Tensor Cores, and it looks like there's gonna be quite a few upcoming games that will be using RTX Technology (ie those RT & Tensor cores). Battlefield V is one of them, and boy did that look good with all the ray tracing reflections from explosions & fire - I think it does increase the realism, although I'd say it looks better in some scenes than others. I do think this will become a 'thing' in the future, that these RT cores & Tensor Cores will be leveraged in games.

In the presentation he didn't really talk too much about the 'conventional' processing power of the Turing GPUs in relation to Pascal, he just banged on about the huge increase in Ray Tracing power of the new GPUs, and his performance comparison slides were similarly just focused on the Ray Tracing side of things. Conventional Processing Power still matters though in circumstances where you decide to turn off the ray tracing effects in games, and as far as I know that is still an unknown. One thing is clear though, if you want to run Ray Tracing in your upcoming games like Battlefield V then you're gonna want to buy a Turing GPU. I'm not sure I can personally justify buying a Turing GPU when I haven't got to the end of my usage with my GTX 1070, and I do think the next GPU generation after Turing will be further optimised for this new world of ray tracing in games, so that might be the smart buy to wait for that next release. I'm not sure if curiosity will get the better of me though & I'll just grab a Turing, we'll see, probably not - also I'm a fan of 144Hz/144fps & I don't think any of the GPUs will do 144fps with Ray tracing turned on, that's my hunch.

Damn, the cooler looks good on the reference cards, reminds me of Audi styling somehow. But, the impressive part is that he said it was 5 times quieter than the previous NVidia reference cooler while having greater cooling power. I reckon these may even be better than 3rd party cards as a cooling solution, but yet to be seen. Dual fan & dual vapour chambers they are for the NVidia reference design.

All in all an entertaining 2hr show from NVidia, and I'm impressed with the new architecture, but I think it remains to be seen how much more 'conventional' processing power they have than the current Pascal cards - which will be the determining factor if you decide to run without ray tracing. Looking forward to the GPU reviews, which I'm guessing will be around 20th September, which is when RTX 1070 / RTX 1080 / RTX 1080ti is gonna be available in shops.

 

Seeing the pricing made me sad, I hope competition comes rolling in. The RTX 2070 is at GTX 1080 release prices, that's horrid.

 

Where have you seen GTX 1080 release prices at $499? https://videocardz.com/77498/nvidia-announces-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-rtx-2080-and-rtx-2070

And forget competition. AMD lying with broken back.

 

I don't think AIBs will price it at $499 though, more like $599. GTX 1080 was supposed to release at $550 and we got higher prices than that.

 

Gtx 1080 https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-gtx-1080/

And we have had miners BOOOM.

See also...
Nvidia: Cryptographic business is not meeting expectations
The biggest hype about cryptocurrencies is over. The notice not only (hobby) speculators, but also manufacturers of appropriate mining hardware. Nvidia has told investors about the sobering numbers.

 

I'm at least hoping that if AMD doesn't step up or can't step up, Intel becomes a competitor in the future with their discrete GPUs. Still not happy with these prices compared to previous gen prices. (And the generation before that)

 

Here at home cost milk and bread more than for 2 years ago. It's called inflation And with no competition there is no reason to lower prices.

 

To go with @Papusan's post regarding demand for nVidia GPUs from those crypto-kiddies - http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tn-nvidia-cryptocurrency-20180817-story.html


And some more info regarding @Robbo99999's post regarding ray-tracing - https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/8/20/17698314/nvidia-volta-gpu-ray-tracing-graphics

 

Haha, I think it's more the 2nd part.

 

I have similar thoughts as well. Seems the takeaway is "ray tracing" and beautiful "reflections" in games. Their product page: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080/ seems to focus on the same items as well - ray tracing + reflections. There is a Battlefield V comparison (RTX on/off) if you scroll a little bit down on the link mentioned. While the reflection/realism looks nice, I'm not ready to spend $$$ to get it yet. I mostly game on 1080p and GTX 1080 SLI should last me for a long time with 100+ FPS on most titles. Without ray tracing looks good too

 

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It's all a bunch of interesting tech demo's until we see the performance results in regular games.

If it's all an add-on of RTX without a performance improvement in non-RTX games and the 95% of RTX games that don't use the RTX features, then it's going to be a disappointment to buyers.

You'd think if there was any significant improvement in gaming performance outside of the RTX features added on, Nvidia would have demonstrated that too, as it's obviously what we have all been waiting to get.

RTX features are stealing die space / power / cooling budget - all the resources that could have been used for higher performance gaming, instead of wasting it on ray-tracing eye candy.

It's another attempt by Nvidia to wall off competitors with proprietary technology.

RTX's huge die with accompanying high power / cooling requirements doesn't look promising for laptop's either...

 

NVIDIA's Next-Gen Turing GPU: All You Need To Know-Tweaktown.com
Navi Won't Help Either NVIDIA is absolutely dominating the GPU market and has been for many years, with AMD limping to market with Polaris and crawling across the ground with Vega. The upcoming Navi architecture has been co-developed by Sony for the next-gen PlayStation 5, so don't expect it to run rings around Pascal let alone Volta or the new Turing GPU architecture.



Vega will shift to 7nm in the coming months but NVIDIA is leading the charge with ray tracing and AI performance, with Radeon Instinct on 7nm the only thing to combat it. The new 7nm-based Radeon Instinct will ship with up to 32GB of HBM2, rocking what should be the new Vega 20 GPU. I was hearing early 2017 that the next GPU that AMD will have in order to make them competitive again will be the one after Navi.

NVIDIA has the GPU market in the palm of its hands now, and rightfully so - the company is executing perfectly at all levels. The new Quadro RTX series is a tour de force of technology, execution and delivery, and the constant marching forwards. There is no quiet moment, let alone a quarter or an entire year without a GPU release from NVIDIA... but AMD on the other hand has been in hibernation with Radeon for a year now, ever since the release of Radeon RX Vega and the near crumbling of RTG.

What About Intel?
Radeon Technologies Group recently lost its GPU architect in Raja Koduri to Intel, while Radeon marketing boss Chris Hook joined Koduri shortly after. It seems the only company that could combat NVIDIA at this level could be Intel. Quadro RTX is such a huge leap that Intel would have to start on something more impressive than just ground level stuff, but give the company a generation or two and it could begin being the competitor to NVIDIA that we wish AMD was. AMD is fighting the good fight against Intel in the CPU market and while it might not be securing 30-50% of the market overnight, it is forcing Chipzilla to behave in ways that it hasn't before - scared.

 

I wonder what the power/heat requirements for RTX mean for the future of massive, SLI style laptops like the MSI gt83 - have we seen the last of them with the 1080 generation, or are the texhnical barriers much he same?

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Full Reference Cooler and PCB Breakdown – Crazy Amounts of Overclocking With Cool and Quiet Operation, Factory Overclocked Out of Box
NVIDIA RTX 20 Series Reference PCB – Overclockers Rejoice! You Can Actually Overclock This Bad Boy
NVIDIA states that the GeForce RTX 2080 Founder Edition makes use of 225W of power out of the box and up to 280W when pushed to the max by overclockers. Furthermore, the entire power delivery system has been rebuilt for GeForce RTX Founders Edition graphics cards, starting with the all-new 13-phase iMON DrMOS power supply. Of particular note, there is a new ability to switch off phases, for drastically-reduced power consumption at low workloads, which greatly increases power efficiency.

Similarly, we’ve cranked up the number of capacitors on GeForce RTX graphics cards, enabling them to run at lower voltages by reducing voltage noise, or at high frequencies for improved performance.

Controlling all this is a new dynamic power management system, which adjusts power usage on a sub-millisecond basis, for a less variable current draw, which further improves efficiency and allows us to crank up the amount of power available for overclocking compared to previous-generation Pascal Founders Edition graphics cards. via NVIDIA

 

What is the NVIDIA RTX 2080Ti / RTX 2080 / RTX 2070

 

RTX 2080ti, 2080, 2070 Waiting Is Over! - But I'm still gonna wait.
GearedInc
Published on Aug 20, 2018
The RTX 2080ti, 2080, and 2070 release on September 20th, you can pre-order now, but I am not.

RTX 2080 Revealed! Ray Tracing in Place of Performance?
The Good Old Gamer
Published on Aug 20, 2018
Nvidia took the lid of their NEW Geforce RTX 2080Ti, 2080, and 2070 here today. The specs on paper don't seem much better than current Pascal (GTX 1080ti,) with the focus solely on Ray Tracing instead of Framerate.

Big Changes: NVIDIA RTX 2070/2080/Ti Prices, Specs, & More
Gamers Nexus
Published on Aug 20, 2018
NVIDIA has made a lot of changes to its reference cards and FE cards for the new Turing GPU launch. We now have prices, specs, a release date, and more.
Article: https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3...

Spoiler: Details...

NVIDIA's new RTX 2080 Ti and 2080 take a new naming scheme for the prefix, but are otherwise identifiable in their similarities to Volta. The Turing architecture takes what worked well on the Titan V and updates it for the RTX 2080 Ti and 2080, something we discuss more in the video and article. The RTX 2080 and 2080 Ti make a big push for ray-tracing in real-time, but raw performance will still be most interesting when considering a lack of games presently leveraging real-time ray-tracing. 7nm may be launching in the next year or so, but there's still room for new cards in the existing class of process technology.
We will have an NVIDIA RTX 2080 and 2080 Ti review online as soon as possible, and the same goes for the inevitable 2070 review.

Nvidia RTX Cards Are Here! DON'T BUY THEM!
UFD Tech
Published on Aug 20, 2018

Something's Fishy about Nvidia's RTX Graphics Card Launch...
Science Studio
Published on Aug 20, 2018

Spoiler: More...

Nvidia RTX 2080 & RTX 2080 TI - Launch Q&A
Tech Deals
Streamed live 5 hours ago

A CLOSE UP LOOK at the new RTX Founders Edition cooler
Bitwit
Published on Aug 20, 2018
The new family of Turing GPUs from Nvidia is here! I take a close up look at the new Founders Edition Cooler. Also discussed: Specs, pricing and availability of the RTX 2070, RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti.

INSANE $1200 Nvidia RTX 2080 TI, 2080, and 2070! Worth the $$$?
GizmoSlipTech
Published on Aug 20, 2018
Nvidia RTX 2080, RTX 2080 TI, and RTX 2070 is here! Like actually freaking here! After two years of waiting, we finally get official specs and can pre-order the cards! I'm super stoked right now, but we'll have to see how I feel after I get some benchmarking and testing done with the new Nvidia RTX 2080 and 2080 TI that I ordered. I got the Founder's Edition. $2000 in total, but worth it for me as an ethusiast... I think. We'll see! How does these GPUs stack up against the Nvidia GTX 1080 and 1080 TI? I also talk about that in this video. Here's my initial impression/review of the RTX 2080 TI. Enjoy!

 

RTX 2080 Insane Prices & What now AMD?
Coreteks
Published on Aug 20, 2018
What do you think of the RTX series prices? Do you think AMD can capitalize on this insanity and launch a decent midrange card?



https://www.reddit.com/r/AyyMD/comments/98ydtq/im_going_blind_boys/

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 20 Series Megathread
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/98wodr/nvidia_geforce_rtx_20_series_megathread/

hman9958 445 points 12 hours ago

"Those prices are, uh, pretty high. I'm also very suspicious about the fact we didn't get any benchmark outside of the raytracing benchmarks. Definitely a strong wait for benchmarks on this one."

ydarn1k 168 points 10 hours ago
"The fact that they are launching 2080 and 2080 Ti at the same time means that 2080 alone won't be enough to make people buy new generation GPUs so I am pretty suspicious myself about performance in non-RTX titles."

Phoenix4th 76 points 10 hours ago
"This gen is gonna get refreshed soon i feel like (7nm) its gonna be one of the shortest."

GhostMotley 41 points 10 hours ago
"I agree, I think in the 2H 2019, we'll see a refresh on 7nm, with faster and/or more GDDR6."

 

Yeah, my hot take is that if you purchased a 1080 ~2 years ago, it was a great investment and I'd hold onto it until the 2080 refresh or successor. I just don't see these stats producing benchmarks that are enough of a leap above the 1080, outside of a few fringe features in a select group of games leveraging ray tracing, to really justify the cost.

I, however, may leap onto the bandwagon - if only because my old sli 780m's are showing their age. (Or take the opportunity to snap up a well priced 1080 driven device).

 

I wonder if RTX 2000 series laptops are going to have huge price hikes too...

 

Yep just like Intel Core i9 with more heat if OEM use same heatsink design for current throttling laptops.

 

Perhaps some day ray tracing performance will eventually become super important... like maybe when DX12 actually matters and donkeys fly. There are way too many people that don't know, don't care and don't have new GPUs for it to matter any time soon. Game developers are not likely to make ray tracing a huge priority when it will take years before the majority of gamers have new GPUs powerful enough to handle it. Hell, they're too worthless and lazy to even do SLI support most of the time, and that's way more important and common.

 

Of course... Why should they care when so many people are stupid enough to continue wasting their money on broken and poorly engineered trashbooks?

As I have said repeatedly, we will all have whatever the Kool-Aid drinkers are willing to put up with.

 

Realtime raytracing on older gpus will kill game performance. Period. Maybe 2-4 yrs real time raytracing will be mainstream, until then its expensive to incorporate just for extra eye candies.

 

Yes, at least that long. Since most PC games today are half-assed console ports, maybe even never. As long as game developers cater to the lowest common denominator that blows the most money to run games on anemic fixed-configuration devices powered by low-end AMD processors (consoles). Windoze OS X abortion OS was released mid-2015 and DX12 is still pretty irrelevant. Of course part of that issue is that use of DX12 is tied to the piece of garbage OS, which may never earn universal acceptance or respect. It hasn't so far because it isn't worthy of it, and their Digi-Nazi efforts to force the issue exacerbate the contempt for it.

 

Tear-Down of EVGA RTX 2080 FTW3: VRM, Die, & Cooler

 

Raytracing will only be mainstream when consoles start having the capability to use it, in my opinion. It's the next step to better graphical fidelity so here's hoping that it doesn't become an Nvidia exclusive and just die off.

 

Well. Let's talk about SLI support...
Only GeForce RTX 2080 and 2080 Ti to support NVLink - No Multi GPU for 2070?
By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 08/21/2018 05:20 PM
Right, you probably have read my news item yesterday about the GeForce RTX announcement, have might have noticed that I only have written down the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti being NVLINK compatible? Well, it is exactly that, as the 2070 cards do not show or reveal either an SLI or NVLink connector.



And from worse to even more worse if this is true...
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 does not have NVLINK-Videocardz.com
The story continues. The GeForce RTX 2070 might not even be using TU104 GPU, but a mid-range TU106 instead. The card clearly has a different board and different Device ID. It seems that the whole GPU segmentation has shifted and we are now paying more for the same GPU-classes than before.

 

Yes I think any games should work smoothly on low end or mid range devices rather than high end. If Games were made to run on High end configs only then there'll be no market for games,PC components etc.. Another thing is nvidia drivers wrecking good GPUs to bad GPUs just by a update. Once Dx12 to VK or similar projects take off, I will simply switch to Linux. Linux is very light and needs less driver update and lacks Day 1 support unlike Win 10. Only if there was someone at MSFT to make things right like W7 did. Continuous evolution of W10 is making difficult to fix bugs more likely to occur.
Dx12 games are still buggy and unplayable.

 

Micro$haft and AMD believe gamers should be using consoles, not computers. Why? Because they make more money with that model and have more control.

Puppets do whatever the puppet-master decides for them to do.

Spoiler: Master of Puppets

Master Of Puppets

End of passion play, crumbling away
I'm your source of self-destruction
Veins that pump with fear, sucking darkest clear
Leading on your deaths' construction

Taste me you will see
More is all you need
You're dedicated to
How I'm killing you

Come crawling faster
Obey your master
Your life burns faster
Obey your master
Master

Master of puppets I'm pulling your strings
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams
Blinded by me, you can't see a thing
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master

Needlework the way, never you betray
Life of death becoming clearer
Pain monopoly, ritual misery
Chop your breakfast on a mirror

Taste me you will see
More is all you need
You're dedicated to
How I'm killing you

Come crawling faster
Obey your master
Your life burns faster
Obey your master
Master

Master of puppets I'm pulling your strings
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams
Blinded by me, you can't see a thing
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master

Master, master, where's the dreams that I've been after?
Master, master, you promised only lies
Laughter, laughter, all I hear or see is laughter
Laughter, laughter, laughing at my cries

Hell is worth all that, natural habitat
Just a rhyme without a reason
Neverending maze, drift on numbered days
Now your life is out of season

I will occupy
I will help you die
I will run through you
Now I rule you too

Come crawling faster
Obey your master
Your life burns faster
Obey your master
Master

Master of puppets I'm pulling your strings
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams
Blinded by me, you can't see a thing
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master

 

Nvidia RTX 20 Series: Why You Should Jump Off The Hype Train
Jason Evangelho, Aug 21, 2018
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...-should-jump-off-the-hype-train/#59e242403f8e

"Before you pull the trigger on pre-ordering the RTX 2080 Ti or RTX 2080, though, please listen to some advice: don't. Don't pay inflated prices for marginal performance gains over the 10 Series. In fact, don't buy this new generation of GPUs from Nvidia at all, because there's something better coming."

"Seriously, glance at the clock speeds for the 20 Series. Check out the unimpressive CUDA core increase over the 10 Series. Realize that the memory configuration is the same as the 10 Series (albeit with GDDR6 instead of GDDR5). Take a hard look at what the performance increase will be for . Most in the tech media are putting it at maybe 10% to 15% over the 10 Series when it comes to the majority of games out there. But you'll pay 40% to 50% higher prices for this generation's replacements based on MSRP. And you know we won't be paying MSRP. . ."

"Ask yourself why Nvidia showed approximately zero gaming benchmarks without ray tracing. There were no performance comparisons between, say, the GTX 1080 Ti and the RTX 2080 Ti for the most popular games already out there."

Or to sum that up, this meme shared by Videocardz:

"Don't misunderstand me. The GeForce RTX cards are probably great products. They're just overpriced, unproven products. Wait for the reviews."

Thanks to @Atma for finding the article.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...nnounced-preorder.822244/page-2#post-10783892

 

Yep, that's what most of us are saying here!

 

RTX cards release summed up at 0:17

 

@VideoCardz
https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1031889617748992000

Macharius‏ @LordSMacharius 7 hours ago
"So raytracing, that thing they wasted over an hour on, that no one actually asked for unless it was ready, completely guts performance and is in no way worth the hype. I'm shocked, shocked I say."

HowAboutNah‏ @HowAboutNah666 6 hours ago
Replying to @VideoCardz
"Shut up and look at my RTX-OPS !!!"

Matthew Connatser‏ @MConnatserNBC 7h7 hours ago
Replying to @VideoCardz
"RTX is simply the new Hairworks or PhysX. It'll die off pretty soon in gaming."

Nvidia takes a commanding lead in GPU performance, and trades it for a handful of "Magic Beans"...

 

From this photo of an Nvidia presentation slide, it appears as though 50% of the new die real estate has been split between AI (Tensor Core) and Ray-tracing (RT Core), leaving the Shader / Compute traditional functionality with about the same area as the previous generation.

Source

It's hard to measure, but it looks like the RTX Shader and Compute section has less area to me in comparison than the previous Pascal die shown.

Those Tensor Core and RT Core area's are wasted space for current games, and for me RTX is something I would disable in a game to get better performance, like I disable GameWorks Hair / etc now.

50%+ is a lot of die space to dedicate for eye candy that most of us will end up turning off to reduce power / heat generated by those areas of the die to improve gaming performance.

Edit: I sure hope there is a way to completely disable / power off the Tensor Core and RT Core's when they aren't useful... that would be most of the time.

 

That's generally the position I take with ALL new technology, regardless of what it is. There are a few exceptions here and there, but early adoption is the opposite of smart to me. I find being surprised a whole lot easier than being disappointed. Especially when the disappointment involves the use of my own money. Lots of things look interesting or seem to have promise, only to turn out to be an over-hyped dud. A small performance bump is worth a couple/three hundred bucks, but a small performance bump at the ungodly price of an RTX GPU is absolutely insane. Not saying that a RTX 1080 TI is not going to be a ludicrous leap in performance, only that nobody knows much at this point and until I see some guinea pigs with interests that match up with mine tearing it up with overclocked benchmarks, NVIDIA ain't gettin' a dirty dime from this old man, LOL. No way I in hell I am flushing $1200 down the toilet for something that doesn't run like $1200 better than what I already have.

But, but, um, um, but... Mr. Fox, it's new and all my friends on Facebook ordered one. And, I watched that video on YouTube, and even the NVIDIA web page said it is awesome.

 

Why Are Nvidia's GeForce RTX GPUs So Expensive?-Tomshardware.com

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Hands on: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti review-Techradar.com
The king of graphics cards has a new heir.

Early verdict

Whether you’re a PC gamer who was waiting in the wings for a more powerful graphics card or you truly believe in Nvidia’s vision of a ray traced future, the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti is already looking like the world’s most powerful graphics card in the world regardless.

That said, you shouldn’t automatically jump on the pre-order button.

We still have a plenty of unanswered questions about power consumption, when we’ll actually see the lower-priced versions and their shortcomings, new multi-card SLI compatibility and, of course, benchmarking them.

• Nvidia Turing could really shake things up in the world of the best graphics cards

 

"Unsurprisingly, consumers have some passionate responses to these prices.

Readers in the Tom’s Hardware forums are calling for more competition from AMD, wondering if the performance benefit is worth it and saying they just won’t buy right now. On the Nvidia subreddit, there were similar thoughts on competitive pricing and keeping existing cards."

"One thing we don’t yet know: how the RTX GPUs perform compared to the existing 10-series. Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang spent a lot of time describing how RTX's ray-tracing feature will work, but we know very little about traditional benchmarks, and how the new series compares to the Pascal-based GPUs."

"It’s possible that the new cards will be so groundbreaking that they’re worth the price, but without having our hands on the cards to benchmark them ourselves, we can’t say for sure.

It’s also possible that the 10-series will offer a better value for those who don’t care about ray tracing and RTX capabilities."

Most importantly:

"Some reports over the last few months have suggested that Nvidia may have an inventory issue on its hands, including rumors that a major OEM partner returned 300,000 GPUs to Nvidia. Others suggest that this is a result of not managing the demands for gaming and mining appropriately.

During a recent conference call, Huang said that “[w]e’re expecting the channel inventory to work itself out. We are masters at managing our channel, and we understand the channel very well.” He also suggested that the inventory is in “the lower end of our stock,” so that may clear out before Nvidia announces mid and lower-tier Turing-based GPUs."

If you want the previous generation Pascal GPU at a lower cost, and want to wait until RTX features prove value long term, there may be a limited supply of new Pascal GTX GPU's out there.

And, if the RTX cards don't generate enough momentum to sell in quantity, there might not be many used Pascal GPU's freed up for sale on the used market.

Nvidia did miscalculate their Mining Card volume demand a bit. Nvidia scaled back building GPU's when it looked liked demand was slowing, but not enough.

Nvidia estimated volume would go down from $300M in sales to $100M in sales, but the sales volume for Mining cards dropped all the way to $18M in 1 quarter.

Maybe there will be plenty of new Pascal cards out there for the price to drop further.

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Shado...cing-but-with-worrying-concerns.323916.0.html


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It is still early in development, but even so this isn't what a prospective buyer of a new $1200 GPU wants to hear:

"Shadow of the Tomb Raider gameplay on the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti showcases the grandeur of ray tracing but with worrying concerns...

A few outlets managed to run a demo of the Shadow of the Tomb Raider on the new NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti and the initial impressions seem to be a bit dampening with ray tracing turned on.

The game was shown to hover in the 30 fps range in 1080p and struggled to reach 60 fps.

A demo without ray tracing was not shown but it should understandably result in a huge performance difference."