Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13261/hands-on-with-the-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-realtime-raytracing
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The conclution will always be the same.... Never be the GP. Let all the others play with their own money. More than enough of them out there as you can see. Why be one of them yourself?
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GPU Prices Plunge: GTX 1080 Ti Now $526
by Avram Piltch August 21, 2018 at 8:00 AM
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/best-nvidia-gpu-deals,37668.html
"The king is dead. Long live the king.
With Nvidia's new RTX 2080 and 2080 Ti due out next month and the RTX 2070 coming in October, the prices on the current-gen 10-series cards are already dropping like a rock. And we expect even more discounts as we move closer to launch.
Zotac has been particularly aggressive with its deals on Amazon. As of this writing, you can get a Zotac GTX 1080 Ti card for just $526, reduced from $679. Remember that, just a few weeks ago, you had to pay $850 to $1,000 for GTX 1080 Ti cards.
If you want a GTX 1080, you'll find one for a mere $449 and a GTX 1070 for just $296.
We'll update this page as more deals on Nvidia-powered cards appear.
Zotac GTX 1080 Ti AMP Edition with 11GB
$526.50 Amazon
Zotac GTX 1080 with 8GB
US$449 Amazon
Zotac GTX 1070 Mini with 8GB
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Quadro RTX, World’s First Ray-Tracing GPU
https://www.overclock.net/forum/225...uadro-rtx-worlda-s-first-ray-tracing-gpu.html
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New Turing-Based Design Revolutionizes Workflow of Millions of Designers and Artists on the Desktop and in the Datacenter
https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-unveils-quadro-rtx-worlds-first-ray-tracing-gpu
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Pricing
Quadro RTX 8000 with 48GB memory: $10,000 estimated street price
Quadro RTX 6000 with 24GB memory: $6,300 ESP
Quadro RTX 5000 with 16GB memory: $2,300 ESP
Availability
Quadro RTX GPUs will be available starting in the fourth quarter on nvidia.com. ..."
Nvidia aren't shipping anything yet, it's all Marketing Puffery until production units are shipped, tested, and reviewed by end users that purchased their own units - and they are doing useful work with Tensor Cores + RT Cores...otherwise it's a waste of silicon die space.
"“AI and real-time ray tracing are transforming the way designers and artists work,” said Amy Bunszel, senior vice president of Design & Creation Products at Autodesk. “Autodesk and NVIDIA are working together to deliver these advancements to the market and we look forward to the new tools and capabilities Quadro RTX will deliver to our customers.”
Leading workstation and systems providers have also voiced their support for new Turing-based Quadro RTX GPUs:
- “Dell Precision workstations strive to bring the latest in technology to creators, engineers and data scientists to enable workflows previously thought impossible. We’re proud to support NVIDIA Quadro RTX 6000 and 5000 GPUs in Dell Precision tower workstations to enable more immersive workflows, inferencing, training and hyperrealistic visualization by leveraging the power of physically based rendering and real-time intelligence using Tensor Cores. We will offer these options on the Dell Precision 5820, 7820 and 7920 workstations over the coming months,” said Rahul Tikoo, vice president and general manager of Commercial Specialty Products at Dell.
- “With the high-performing graphics architecture of Turing-based Quadro RTX GPUs for rendering in the datacenter, we are unlocking extraordinary capabilities for our customers to power new creative experiences,” said Bill Mannel, vice president and general manager of HPC and AI Solutions at Hewlett Packard Enterprise.
- “In our technology proof of concept, Turing-based Quadro RTX GPUs, coupled with the HP Z8 Workstation – the most powerful desktop workstation in the world – showed that this solution can unlock new levels of performance. AI-based capabilities can allow creators and developers to simulate and interact with their creations in ways not currently possible,” said Xavier Garcia, vice president and general manager of HP Z Workstations at HP Inc.
- “Turing is about to turn the graphics industry on its head. The groundbreaking AI and real-time ray-tracing capabilities of Turing-based Quadro RTX GPUs, combined with the sheer horsepower of Lenovo’s ThinkStation P920 or P720, will advance the creative process faster than anything our customers have experienced ever before,” said Rob Herman, general manager of the Lenovo Workstation & Client AI Group at Lenovo.
- “The ability to support NVIDIA Turing-based Quadro RTX GPUs in select models of Lenovo ThinkSystem servers brings the advancement of RTX technology to those users needing to scale their rendering in leading-edge datacenter implementations. RTX provides orders of magnitude faster rendering over a traditional render farm deployment, unleashing the creative minds of media and entertainment professionals,” said Scott Tease, executive director of HPC and AI at Lenovo Data Center Group."
Last edited: Aug 22, 2018Dr. AMK likes this. - “Dell Precision workstations strive to bring the latest in technology to creators, engineers and data scientists to enable workflows previously thought impossible. We’re proud to support NVIDIA Quadro RTX 6000 and 5000 GPUs in Dell Precision tower workstations to enable more immersive workflows, inferencing, training and hyperrealistic visualization by leveraging the power of physically based rendering and real-time intelligence using Tensor Cores. We will offer these options on the Dell Precision 5820, 7820 and 7920 workstations over the coming months,” said Rahul Tikoo, vice president and general manager of Commercial Specialty Products at Dell.
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I spent $500 on Craigslist and this is what happened
KristoferYee
Published on Aug 12, 2018
This was definitely my most risky purchase. The intention behind this was first and foremost to get the best deal I possibly could because that matters a lot to me and the second was put my Craigslist skills to the test. Most people believe that it is luck of the draw no matter what kind of person you meet with, but I firmly believe that there is always a perfect way to handle each interaction/transaction so that you never get screwed.
Anyways, I really tried a different approach to this video than I usually do. Let me know if you like the way this turned out and if you didn't let me know too. That said, enjoy the video!
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Let me know any videos you would like to see in the future!
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Nice chart on the Nvidia forum showing performance numbers in TFLOPs over generations
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/997l9p/nice_chart_on_the_nvidia_form_showing_performance/
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...rks-and-laptop-versions/post/5857722/#5857722
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/com...a_form_showing_performance/e4m54a4/?context=1
SoulAssassin808 3 points 3 hours ago
"I don't think it is fair to call this a benchmark. It's just numbers put into a graph. There was no actual benchmarking done. Just more people speculating"
Genio88 2 points 4 hours ago
"In the conference they said that the rtx2070 is faster than the Titan X, so this is all wrong"
kreeper_6 1 point 9 hours ago
"Is this TittyFLOP chart official nvidia benchmark or some kind of extrapolation?
PCgaming4ever[ S] 3 points 9 hours ago
"It's based on the TFLOP performance Nvidia gave for the cards"
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9990yj/galax_rtx_2080ti_hal_of_fame_render_design/Last edited: Aug 22, 2018Robbo99999 likes this. -
Why couldn't Nvidia spend 15 minutes on *THIS* (Gaming Performance!!) during the RTX Reveal??
GeForce RTX: A Beast for Today’s Games — and Tomorrow’s
August 22, 2018 by MATT WUEBBLING
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/08/22/geforce-rtx-60-fps-4k-hdr-games/?linkId=100000003301637
"Open box. Start your game. Witness the impossible.
Our GeForce RTX series GPUs — the first gaming GPUs based on our new NVIDIA Turing architecture — fuse next-generation shaders, real-time ray tracing, and all-new AI capabilities. Game developers are buzzing.
But right out of the box it gives you a huge performance upgrade for games you’re playing now.
GeForce RTX GPUs deliver 4K HDR gaming on modern AAA titles at 60 frames per second — a feat even our flagship GeForce GTX 1080 Ti GPU can’t manage."
"Our new Turing GPUs — the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, 2080 and 2070 — arrive ahead of a holiday shopping season supercharged by sub-$300 4K monitors and a lineup of big titles from top game franchises."
" Big Game Hunting
For game after game, Turing delivers big performance gains (see chart, above). Those numbers get even bigger with deep learning super-sampling, or DLSS, unveiled Monday.
DLSS takes advantage of our tensor cores’ ability to use AI. In this case it’s used to develop a neural network that teaches itself how to render a game. It smooths the edges of rendered objects and increases performance.
That’s one example of how Turing can do things no other GPU can. This makes Turing’s full performance hard to measure.
But looking at today’s PC games — against which GPUs without Turing’s capabilities have long been measured — it’s clear Turing is an absolute beast.
Get ready to hear it roar!"
From NVidia's blog: GeForce RTX: A Beast for Today’s Games — and Tomorrow’s
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/99flwn/from_nvidias_blog_geforce_rtx_a_beast_for_todays/
gitg0od 29 points 2 hours ago
"i would have been more impressed if those were the results of gtx 1080 ti vs rtx 2080 (no ti)."
Saltmile 10 points an hour ago
"So I've done a little digging and with the exception of FF15, Mass Effect Andromeda, And Far Cry 5 these all fall in line with 1080ti."
ryandtw 62 points 2 hours ago
"PSA: Because these benchmarks are internal (by NVIDIA themselves), take them with a grain of sait and wait for actual benchmarks by hardware reviewers(third-party, e.g. PC Perspective, HardOCP, etc)."
MisinformationALLDAY 2 points 21 minutes ago
"...If are unwilling to pay the price premium for DLSS/RayTracing/etc, go buy a 1080/1080Ti for dirt cheap...
I just sold my 1080Ti STRIX for $480 on eBay so congrats to the buyer. People here who couldn't afford Pascal should instead be looking at this as an opportune moment to buy one."Last edited: Aug 22, 2018Atma and Robbo99999 like this. -
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Well, as typical anything from Nvidia is going to point out the positives couched in particulars that make them look best, so we still need to wait for the real world tests by owners - at least trusted reviewers, that we cross-check and verify against other reviewers results - so we can know what we can expect from our new RTX GPU.
The big question is, why couldn't Nvidia figure out this was the top question we all wanted answered at the reveal of the new GPU's:
THE GAMING PERFORMANCE!!
Of course it would be nice to see a comparison of the now $500 1080ti's...:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=gtx1080ti&_sacat=0&LH_BIN=1&_sop=15
...offer these craigslist guys $500 or less (used for mining), they always ask for more than they expect to get...:
https://www.google.com/search?q=site:craigslist.org+gtx1080ti&rlz
...against the 2080's now going for $850+...
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133756
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/pny-ge...express-3-0-graphics-card-black-red/6290690.p
https://www.google.com/search?q=rtx...vIHdAhVokuAKHUMMCpQQ_AUICigB&biw=1464&bih=779Last edited: Aug 22, 2018Robbo99999 likes this. -
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That's what I expected.
The 2xxx series are RTX, and the GTX 11xx series are normal GPU's - pure non-RTX GPU's that have a lower power requirement to fit into laptops.
The higher power and cooling requirements for the huge RTX die doubling size to add the RT and Tensor cores can't be scaled, as in MaxQ, due to the poor FPS performance in ray-tracing even with the 1080ti at full power, so Nvidia might as well either disable those sections or not include them in laptop GPU dies, and non-RTX desktop GPU's.
But it is confusing when we've already seen GTX 2060/2050 GPU's mentioned. Maybe the GTX 11xx series are for laptop's only?
Still many questions to be answered...like will there be desktop versions of the GTX2080/GTX1180 / GTX2070/GTX1170, or will there only be high-end GTX laptop versions?
More confusing is that they are making an RTX 1080 / RTX 1070... I can't imagine how slow those are going to be at raytracing @ 1080p given the full power 2080ti isn't holding firm with 60fps @ 1080p
"Perhaps the most intriguing tidbit from the announcement is that the aforementioned Sky models will support future GPUs such as the "GTX 1180, GTX 1170, RTX 1080, RTX 1070" due to their versatile MXM 3 slots. Had Eurocom mentioned these GPUs before Gamescom, then we would have been quick to label them as placeholder names. However, the reseller is explicitly mentioning these GPU names almost two full days after the public reveal of the desktop RTX series in Cologne.
It's possible that Nvidia will introduce a different naming convention yet again for its next generation of laptop GPUs. At best, the diverging names could simply be an attempt by the chipmaker to better distinguish between its laptop and desktop GPUs since current mobile Pascal GPUs have the exact same names as their desktop counterparts. At worse, however, we could be seeing a relatively minor refresh for mobile gamers."Last edited: Aug 22, 2018DreDre, ajc9988, aaronne and 1 other person like this. -
DLSS doesn't have to be perfect, only good enough
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/99g245/dlss_doesnt_have_to_be_perfect_only_good_enough/
Tech_AllBodies 3 points 4 hours ago
"The idea is it's better/cheaper computationally than rendering a native higher resolution and/or other forms of MSAA.
i.e. you could run 1080p + DLSS on a 4K monitor and it'd look nearly as good as native 4K. Or you could run 1440p + DLSS and it'd look better than 1440p with 4x MSAA, and also run faster.
Latency is just the time it takes to render and deliver the frame. So the idea is you'll take advantage of DLSS to do MUCH less render time (because you'll render at lower res and/or turn off all AA), then add DLSS as post processing, but the whole thing will take less time than doing that level of quality natively, while looking 95%+ as good."
DLSS could work in tandem with DSR.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/99idv2/dlss_could_work_in_tandem_with_dsr/
RSF_Deus 2 points an hour ago
"Ah, I think I understand what you mean, for example DSR at 4K, but game set to 50% resolution scale instead of 100% but with DLSS to get an "AI upscaler" ?"
So, DLSS is a "cheat"?, not really rendering at 4k - or DLSS is padding frames to fluff up the FPS numbers - so at what resolution are those Nvidia published benchmarks using DLSS for the RTX2080 rendered?
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Why would you think it's safe to assume that?
They show 4k DLSS is 2x the performance of the 1080, a huge jump up just from changing the anti-aliasing method to DLSS, that's not possible without changing some other variable, like the resolution.
Otherwise simply disabling anti-aliasing would cause the performance to jump up even higher, and that's also not possible.
The non-DLSS sections of the performance graph bars make sense, the DLSS jump in performance doesn't, unless the rendering resolution or some other quality setting(s) was also dropped to reduce the load on the GPU, increasing the FPS.
It could be that DLSS is generating "additional" frames other than those rendered by the GPU, padding / inflating the FPS numbers. Not real rendered FPS, but DLSS "fluffed" FPS.
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That's not the part in question. But, it probably should be too. Considering we don't know the game runtime settings, or much else about the runtime environment.
The DLSS is suspect, that's what I am trying to get characterized. Brush it off if you like, but given the sum of all the "oddities" with this release, I'd stay away until everything is accounted for, all of the oddities explained.
Maybe after all is explained, the 1/2 of the die we are all interested in will be worth the wait.
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RTX 2070 is more like 10% faster than desktop 1080. And 1080 desktop cards is a bit faster than the desktop mobile 1080. Once again remember the fiasco or call it “The Scam” 880M vs. 780M Around 10% Performance increase on same Kepler. Maybe Nvidia can squeeze out a few % more this time?
To make it looks prettier. YEEES
But will NVIDIA make the same (or similar) stunt? That’s the question.
10-15 or even 25% increases in performance with coming 1180 vs. 1080 is too little after over +2 years on same old Pascal.Last edited: Aug 23, 2018Vistar Shook likes this. -
Nvidia Thread
Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Dr. AMK, Jul 4, 2017.
