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The Bottom Line
We talked about potential "it" factor and bang-for-the buck above. The GeForce RTX 2070 definitely has the "it" factor. The RTX 2070 out-performs the GeForce GTX 1080 in all of our tested games. However, it does need to be a highly clocked factory overclock to do so. Thankfully it is capable of attaining clock speeds well above the Founders Edition, so cards like the MSI GeForce RTX 2070 GAMING Z are the way to go for the best performance out of RTX 2070.
At $599 the MSI RTX 2070 GAMING Z is less expensive than the ASUS ROG STRIX RX Vega 64 OC Edition’s price of $649.99. The MSI RTX 2070 GAMING Z also performs 20-30% faster, and therefore is a no brainer bang-for-the buck buy over a factory overclocked Radeon RX Vega 64 video card.
The MSI RTX 2070 GAMING Z is also faster than our MSI GeForce GTX 1080 GAMING X, but that 1080 is actually less expensive at $509.99 after $20 rebate.
The big question is a $100 premium worth the performance. If you are playing at 4K, then absolutely yes, go for it. At 1440p though the money savings on a highly overclocked GeForce GTX 1080 may be preferred. It just isn’t fast enough to warrant the price difference of $100 for a 10-20% performance difference.
You are better off saving some bucks and going with a highly overclocked GeForce GTX 1080 for 1440p right now. The only reason you may want to consider the new RTX 2070 then is if you are upgrading from a much older video card, and the jump in performance is worth it, or you want to play with RTX features when they are enabled in games. We would not consider a reference clocked GeForce RTX 2070 at all for gaming, we think the 2070 GPU needs the boost of a high factory overclock to make it worth the money and certainly the MSI card serves this up in spades.
The MSI GeForce RTX 2070 GAMING Z video card is a remarkable video card for gamers! MSI has done a great job engineering this video card with custom components and robust cooling. We are very impressed with the high consistent GPU clock speed while gaming, which the GeForce RTX 2070 certainly needs to perform at its best.
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IDK if more benchmarks are going to change my view of the 2070, this video shows the low end MSRP card (how'd that happen anyway??) @ $499 matching the 10 series cards and Vega 64 at the same price, slightly exceeding it in numbers only - I don't think the difference in FPS will be noticeable.
So I don't see how a $599++ OC out of the box version of this card is going to be "better" enough to be "worth it", more likely just more expensive.
So, that's it then, the whole RTX release is a bust, until actual RTX / DLSS games show there's a desirable outcome with those features.
The 1080ti @ $450-$550 used or $650 new is still the winner here. Although the Vega 64 (56) isn't bad either in comparison for the price, all will still play the same games at close to the same FPS to be functionally the same for less $$$.
This RTX 2070 ACTUALLY costs MSRP! But is it worth it?
Check out the video for more graphs...
JayzTwoCents
Published on Oct 16, 2018
Finding ANY GPU for the advertised NVIDIA MSRP is hard enough, but has been IMPOSSIBLE to find for the RTX family of video cards... until today! Meet the EVGA RTX 2070 Black! Today we will see how it stacks up against the AMD RX Vega 64, GTX 1070ti and GTX 1080!
I'm including this one too since it's got 1080ti scores for comparison:
Is the RTX 2070 Worth $600? How about $500?
Paul's Hardware
Published on Oct 16, 2018
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Why Nvidia Doesn't Want You To Buy The 20-Series
UFD Tech
Published on Oct 17, 2018
What do you think of the 20-series launch? Do you think this an actual product that Nvidia wants to sell?
Nvidia RTX One Month Later, Still a Huge Mess
Hardware Unboxed
Published on Oct 18, 2018
RTX 2070 vs Vega 64 vs GTX 1080 - 1440p BENCHMARKS
Joker Productions
Published on Oct 17, 2018
Side by side benchmark comparison of the NVIDIA Geforce RTX 2070 vs GTX 1080 vs AMD RX Vega 64 graphics cards. This is RAW benchmark footage. No commentary.
GeForce RTX 2070 Review, 20 Game Benchmark Breakdown
Hardware Unboxed
Published on Oct 16, 2018
GPU Pricing Update, Vega Gets Competitive, Pascal Now Great Value
Hardware Unboxed
Published on Oct 17, 2018
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AMD Share Price Falls ~28% via Weak GPU Sales; Revenue Share from GPUs Only 30% October 25th 2018 00:42
AMD held a teleconference for their investors to go along with the report, and attempted to better explain what was going on. In particular, they attribute the decreased client GPU sales to a big decrease in the blockchain GPU sales market (read GPU mining) relative to the first half of 2018. The lack of competing products to take on NVIDIA Pascal-, and then Turing-based, GPU solutions also does not help. As it stands, AMD shared news that GPUs now contribute to only ~30% of their revenue with the other 70% coming from the Ryzen-based processor division instead. They hinted strongly at new products coming from both segments, including an on-track path for a 7 nm datacenter GPU later this year and new Ryzen+Vega-powered notebooks, but it appears that more needs to be done to appease their investors at this point. Maybe start up to compete again?
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It's also a bad time in the Semiconductor market, with so many stocks down - based on reduction in shipments, the PC market is going soft again, so it's bringing down many players, AMD is still outperforming the S&P above all the other semiconductor stocks, even Intel and Nvidia, it's a market wide problem.
NVIDIA Stock Falls to Key Support Levels
By Justin Kuepper | October 24, 2018 — 1:36 PM ED
https://www.investopedia.com/news/nvidia-stock-falls-key-support-levels/
"NVIDIA Corporation ( NVDA) shares extended their losses by 4% on Wednesday morning following a broad sell-off across semiconductors. With earnings season coming up, investors are nervous that the trade war could have a negative effect on future earnings. Morgan Stanley also reported that oversupply indicators look worse than the last big downturn in 2015."
Nvidia has fallen much further today than AMD, and recently as has most of the market and semiconductor market in general:
More info on AMD here, Lisa Su is giving interviews starting 9am tomorrow on CNBC, maybe more future product news will be released given the need for good news:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ga-polaris-gpus.799348/page-516#post-10812840Last edited: Oct 24, 2018 -
My brother just RMA'd his second 2080Ti FE...
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9r8ee1/my_brother_just_rmad_his_second_2080ti_fe/
"The first one was pretty unstable from the beginning. He thought it was a driver issue but the card just kept crashing over and over giving him "rendering device lost" problem. The second one was a festival of artifacts. There was no software or driver version that could make a game appear normal.
They sent him a new card first time, let's see now.
At this point he's basically spent 0 hours playing peacefully.
He never overclocked. Never used furmark.
I'm starting to think that releasing 700+ mmsq cards is a very idiotic idea.
My brother is rather sad right now and he doesn't have his 1080ti anymore as he sold it pre turing release. He can't play and god knows how long it will take to RMA this one. And if the next one will even work.
Just wanted to write that here in case somebody's interested in buying 2080Tis: wait a bit and see if Nvidia fixes their problems with that card. Maybe in the next weeks they upgrade their QC or something, I don't know, but it's not worth it to gamble right now as the rate of those incidents seems quite high.
Hardware forums in my country (Italy) are filled with similar problems as well. Out of few dozens people that said they bought the card at least ten reported to have RMA'd the cards.
Might be anecdotal but those are mostly FE, only few are non FE. Either Nvidia gave better chips to partners or FE is simply the card that sold better (I guess so since you could easily preorder it) so it's also the one that has most problems.
edit: Just to add, he didn't overclock (didn't even got a chance to do so)."
ChemKitchen 19 points 15 hours ago
"Same problem.
First 2080 Ti FE started artifacting wildly -- even on POST screen and Windows loading screen, then it just stopped working entirely. Contacted Nvidia through online chat and they sent me a second 2080 Ti before I had to RMA the first one which was nice, but then:
Second 2080 Ti FE started freezing in games, then stopped sending a signal to the monitor the moment the driver was loaded during Windows startup.
Waiting for RMA to be started on second card now...
edit: btw, see people saying a power issue, I'm not so sure as I ran the card at 75% TDP the entire time which is only 195 W."
blade2040 9 points 11 hours ago
"I just recently returned my GIGABYTE 2080 ti windforce to amazon for the same problems. Disgusting artifacting and freezing. 3D device stopped working. It worked for a day or so and the experience was glorious when it worked. But damn. Maybe I should just bite the bullet and go for a 1080ti or a 2080 at this point. I got lucky to even find the damn card and then it doesn't even work when I do? Some sort of ironic lottery where I'm lucky enough to get a card and unlucky enough for it to be defective. sigh."
Slimsuper 4 points 15 hours ago
"Having the same BSOD, crashing, restarting issue now....it would seem alot of people are having the same issues on the nvidia forums."
More same / similar reports in that thread...and on the Nvidia support forums:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/board/227/
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...absolutely-livid-about-second-dead-2080ti-fe/
loadliner 10 points 10 hours ago
"My 2080ti (founders edition) just arrived yesterday and I had crashes in combination with artifacts from the beginning.
I thought it would be my PSU so I bought a expensive new one. Still the same crashes. ( https://imgur.com/a/FOBKJKq)
This is a new low for NVIDIA. Not only is the pricing anti gamer/consumer, but they also have flawed product.
Btw: We are still waiting for DLSS and Raytracing."
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9rb5rb/early_rtx_2080_buyers_how_do_you_feel_about_your/
NVIDIA RTX 2080ti crashing - now you know why the launch is delayed.
https://imgur.com/a/FOBKJKq
So i just got my rma replacement back... Aorus 2080
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9rhsbv/so_i_just_got_my_rma_replacement_back_aorus_2080/
Demonstrating GPU noise for RMA purposes
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9rj9zi/demonstrating_gpu_noise_for_rma_purposes/
JebusMakesWine 26 points 2 hours ago
"This here is a 5 star PSA. Have my upvote and thanks for the detailed explanation."
MrKyleOwns 5 points an hour ago
"Just a heads up, I started with nothing the high pitches whine in one of the fans on my FE. Then about a week later I started to get Artifacting/Crashing problems."
erthanas 3 points 2 hours ago
"I had to do this as well for my 2080FE that had the rear fan stuck at 100% speed. Good tips"
mithunnivas 3 points an hour ago
"even i am having the coil whine when fps is aboce 170"
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All the new RTX cards available at microcenter VA i.redd.it
Submitted 29 minutes ago by LesPoros
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9rmo8a/all_the_new_rtx_cards_available_at_microcenter_va/
Mostly 2070's / 2080's, but I see the edge of a ...0ti on the bottom left shelf...could be a 2080ti or maybe a previous gen 1080ti? -
Cool, where did you find it in stock, and for how much is it for sale? Links?
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For those of you wondering about buying used ex-mining GPU's instead of overpriced new GPU's, here's one buyers perspective over time...
I Bought The Cheapest RX 570 In The Country - But What's The Catch? - (Mining GPU)
RandomGaminginHD
Published on Oct 31, 2018
I found a bargain of an AMD Radeon RX 570 8GB online. But why was it so cheap, and did it's past life (as a mining GPU) have a lasting effect on it's performance? Well let's take an in depth look at this thing and find out!
Here's an older video that has some good tips:
Are Ex-MINING Cards WORTH IT...?! Before and After YES-Examination
Tech YES City
Published on Jul 9, 2018
When a magical deal popped up for 6 x GTX 1080 Ti and 2 x GTX 1070 Strix edition cards for $5300 AUD, I immediately called up the 'King of the Coast' and asked him if he wanted to go halves in this deal, and he just like the YES man, was always down for a bargain.
Though are used cards that were put on a mining test bench worth it? Let's find out with a before and after comparison on the four cards I have here.
And, on the other hand...
Never Buy A Used Mining Card For Gaming!
Tech of Tomorrow
Published on Apr 7, 2018
Buying A Used Mining Card For Gaming IS A Bad Idea!
Old_Newbie 6 months ago
"My experience says otherwise. Used Crypto GPUs can be a great value. However, as with all purchases, YOU MUST DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE BUYING. I purchased 2x MSI Gaming R9 280X 3G after "The First Great Crypto Crash" on the used market. The cards are still running perfectly stable in my rig; watercooled and overclocked. They came in their original packaging, in brand new-looking condition - no dust, and with all the accessories (right down to the MSI sticker badges).
Also, I knew the "gaming" brand of MSI cards boast military class components (solid caps, ferrite cores, etc.).
The seller undervolted and kept the cards in a separate temperature controlled room while mining. Small scale Miners who want to recoup their initial GPU farm investment are well incentivized to keep the cards in top condition...even more so than buying used from a gamer. Communication with the seller before purchase is key.
Never buy from low rated, low tech experience, zero transaction sellers. Ensure all VBIOS's are flashed back to newest stock BIOS, if modded. Always look for actual physical hardware photos of the cards (not stock retail pics), S/Ns, P/Ns, or screenshots of 3D apps running on the card are even better. Use a payment service like Paypal to protect your payment. Doing this little bit of work on the front end before buying, can reduce the risks and net you a great deal on a card."
Andrew Russell 6 months ago
"Tech of Tomorrow before mining, I had my 970 bios modded to 144% power limit amd slight voltage bump and was pulling almost 300w. When I started mining I used 80% power limit and my card uses about 180w. So when mining my 970 is actually using less power and running cooler than when I was gaming..80% PL offers much better hash per watt."
Prime Technophilia 6 months ago
"Miners want %100 of MSRP, with inflation that has happened with GPU prices they could possibly get that. The thing is, almost no miners are going to tell you its a ex-mining card, they just won't because it will affect the sale price."
Man those ex-miners are losers now, but then again the GPU prices have dropped back to MSRP, and it doesn't pay to burn electricity for mining on gaming GPU's any longer, so why not offer 25%-50% of the MSRP and pick up some GPU's cheap? Re-paste them if needed - likely not yet - and save a bunch of cash.Last edited: Nov 1, 2018Vasudev likes this. -
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Love MicroCenter, they really go that extra bit to get new stuff in stock and keep it in stock, even if it dribbles in.
I've been pleasantly surprised often by new product on random visits - not listed online as being in stock - only to find it there and ready for pick up.
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I'm finally happy with how it turned out....
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Nvidia Thread
Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Dr. AMK, Jul 4, 2017.
