Nvidia Thread

Dead 2080 Ti #1: Clock Freeze at 1350MHz, Stuttering, Crashing
Gamers Nexus
Published on Nov 7, 2018
This is the first hardware-level defect we've looked at. We're still working through all of them, but this one is unique in its frozen clock speed! This RTX 2080 Ti XC Gaming is stuck at 1350MHz and will not clock up to base or boost at all. Overclocking is impossible, and trying to boost clocks results in hard crashes, crashes to desktop, or system locks and black screens. Even if we leave the frequency alone, it still can't get normal performance. Performance is significantly below a known good 2080 Ti.


TEAMEVGA 3 hours ago
"Hi everyone. Yes, we are aware of this particular card and are working to find the root cause of the issue. We have already offered a replacement card to the owner so we can investigate this issue further. From our experience, to have this occurrence out of the box is extremely rare, and actually the only known case today on RTX 2080 Ti that could not be resolved with a firmware reflash. Please know that if you are concerned, have questions, or have an issue our 24/7 Customer Service is standing by at 888-880-3842 or support@ evga.com."

 

If you're going to have an issue and need to use warranty, EVGA is probably the best brand to own. They're known to be very good about taking care of their customers.

 

tl;dw - The title says "Solved", but it's not all solved, there are a number of issues that aren't related with 1 particular scenario possibly being fixed by an Nvidia driver update. Additionally there are problems / symptoms related to include firmware, driver, multi-monitor configurations, and there are hardware artifacting or other BSOD's that are different than "solved" by the new Nvidia driver making the rounds with owners trying to set up an RMA - Nvidia is sending them a new driver to see if that helps.

"Solved": Widespread 20-Series BSOD Issue Likely Monitor Dependent, Pt 1
Gamers Nexus
Published on Nov 7, 2018
In testing some 2080 Tis from viewers, we've realized that many of the early IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL BSODs are display-dependent. A new driver will (may?) fix this.
Since making this video, we've been able to reproduce this BSOD more regularly on a fixed set of displays. It seems that some displays completely dodge the issue, while others will reproduce it nearly 100% of the time. NVIDIA's driver update should come out tomorrow, likely, or maybe Friday to resolve a lot of these BSODs for people.

 

I can vouch for this IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL bull crap because I have issues with it using GTX 1080 Ti as well with my Acer Predator G-Stink display running at the 165Hz refresh rate. It also has random lock-ups and artifacts unless I manually drop the refresh rate to 144Hz or 120Hz. So, that part might not be exclusively a 20-series GPU issue. The severity of it does vary by GeForce driver version and OS. Using driver version X might be worse with W10 than W7, but driver Y might cause it with W7 only, or driver version Z causes it with both OSes.

If I could do it over again, I would avoid buying a monitor with G-Stink or FreeStink. I already considered both to be a gimmick I had no use for and the decision to purchase this monitor had nothing to do with it having G-Stink, but it totally changes the dynamic when something you don't give a rat's ass about starts causing issues for you.

 

Will this one be any better? nVIDIA GeForce Drivers v416.81 WHQL Findings & Fixes.

 

Actually, I am using 416.34 right now with good results compared to some of the preceding driver versions. But, I know some have had problems with 416.34. So, hopefully 416.81 will be as good or better for me and better for those who have had issues.

 

Then its' maybe right in time Nvidia screw up for Pascal owners due fixes for Turing graphics

 

No, not yet. They have to wait until all of the stock of 10-series GPUs is sold before they take deliberate steps to screw them up with driver cancer.

 

It won't be long time to wait You have to hope they still have a lot of the other Pascal cards in stock
GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Supply is Reportedly Dwindling, Prices on the Rise Techpowerup.com | Tuesday, 12:44
Multiple sources confirmed to GamersNexus that the GTX 1080 Ti is starting to be really difficult to find. Supplies are decreasing and the reason seems to be clear: NVIDIA could have stopped the production of those graphics cards. This has had an immediate effect on these cards' prices, which in the last few days have increased everywhere in the world. The performance differences with the new GeForce RTX 2080 are not that important if you don't need the RT part of the equation -we could confirm this on our own review-, but the price of these new graphics card have made considering a 1080 Ti a viable option for many users that are looking to upgrade their systems.

 

Exactly. I want a Strix OC, EVGA FTW3 or K|ingp|n 2080 Ti, but I am in no rush because the prices are retarded right now; and, disproportionately high compared to the relatively modest increase in performance. There is an definitely increase in performance, but paying Titan prices for a Ti (50-70% price increase) offering a 15-25% improvement in performance over what I already have makes no sense. And, now with some of them mysteriously dying there is no basis to have a sense of urgency about it. And, on top of that the GPUs I want are not even readily available yet, with pre-orders still waiting to be fulfilled. No point in buying an FE or average gamer-boy 2080 Ti when my modded 1080 Ti pretty much matches those belly-button models with lackluster overclocking capabilities.

 

My EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Ultra XC appears to have failed yesterday. This is 2 RTX 2080 Tis I have had fail. First one in a couple weeks, and this one failed in less than 3 days of real use. Came home from a trip last night, booted up and fail. GPU freezing, disconnecting, artifacts started this morning, underclock worked temporarily, then artifacting on desktop and freezing. Driver uninstalls and changes no change. The level of pissed off I feel has never been so real. I told EVGA I wanted my money back and will be returning the GPU for a full refund even after being offered an advanced RMA replacement. Nah I'm done for now. 2 failures signifies a significant problem with the memory IMO. Nvidia is now shipping Samsung GDDR6 and it runs cooler and more stable according to other users.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...es/rtx-2080ti-new-batch-gets-samsung-memory-/

I told EVGA I will buy from them again, and their support was great, but I am waiting for the memory to be swapped to Samsung. Micron is ****.

 

I know you don't like Gsync & Freesync, because you don't need it for benchmarking, but for gaming it's really damn good. I first experienced Gsync 2 yrs ago when I built this desktop in my sig, and I remember experimenting (for the hell of it) by turning Gsync on & off in Titanfall, and the tearing was definitely visible & somewhat distracting, Gsync fixes that totally with no input lag (if you cap framerate just below the max framerate of the monitor).

Well that sucks, but at least you've got a clear plan of attack & a working theory. Maybe they'll be cheaper too as an additional bonus when you buy the one with Samsung VRAM.

 

This joke sums up about how I feel about Nvidia and their RTX series right now @1:40

 

I know some people like it and can see a difference using it, but I just find it inconvenient (something extra to remember to disable for benching) and of no true benefit to me. I have played with it in gaming and I honestly cannot see any remarkable differences with it in anything I have played other than sometimes lower framerate. If I do not monitor the framerate (turn off RTSS) then I don't notice anything to speak of. I am not sensitive to screen tearing unless it is severe, and I seldom encounter issues with severe screen tearing. That could have something to do with the games I have played as well. I do not play Titanfall (or other MP online titles) so my opinion could be different if I were actually experiencing an issue such as you describe.

 

Well, that sucks. I do not want an FE card and do not intend to buy one. And, determining exactly what enthusiast grade AIB 2080 Ti cards built expressly for overclocking have Samsung memory might be difficult or impossible. I cannot help but wonder if this issue is why availability continues to be problematic. If the AIB vendors are doing testing (ASUS claims 144 hours of benching QC on the Dual OC and Strix cards) on their high end cards it might explain why nobody has any for sale. They may be failing QC testing with Micron memory.

I am not a big fan of MSI, but I am looking at the Trio and its 4+4+6 power input and phases as being on the contender list.

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Brother @Johnksss - do your cards have Micron or Samsung chips?

 

I really wonder when these samsung batches are going to hit the market.

I want a 2080Ti but currently the price is way too high :|

 

Yeah, I'm right there with you on the price. Makes me feel sick to my stomach even looking at $1300-$1500 for one GPU that is not a K|ingp|n version. That is absolutely nuts.

 

Don't remember. I already got rid of the card and am waiting on the next stage.

 

"999$ msrp"

There should be a regulation on this kind of scam

 

Maybe one of your old screen shots from a benchmark will show it in GPU-Z. I will look for one of them.

That is MSRP for a reference model, not a beefier version built for overclocking. Even so, $999 is still borderline on being too much for what you get in return. Way too much for an FE or reference card for sure. Should be $150-200 less for an ordinary GPU IMHO.

 

Yep, it's was Micron.

 

Isn't being a beta tester nice.

 

Yeah, and paying to get to be one makes it even "nicer" (not).

 

Summit Early Science Video Series: Imaging the Earth's Interior

 

It has it's up's and downs.

 

mostly down tho

 

Only if you always look at the glass as half full.

 

We don't need more big daddy government to solve a problem that can more easily be addressed by people not being so eager to jump on the "latest and greatest." Hopefully this rash of RTX failures will teach at least a few of those folks that lesson.

 

If you don't have to use your own money to fund the testing there is no downside. The problem occurs when something that was not tested thoroughly enough is put into production as though it were actually ready, even though it isn't, and all sorts of issues begin to surface. I think that is what you were hinting at using sarcasm, and I would agree with that perspective.

 

NVIDIA Brings The Power Of GPU To Data Processing Pipelines
https://www.forbes.com/sites/janaki...pu-to-data-processing-pipelines/#14dab7d526a7
NVIDIA has launched an open source project called Real-time Acceleration Platform for Integrated Data Science (RAPIDS) that aims to deliver end-to-end data science infrastructure based on GPUs.

 

Going to have to disagree, but @Mr. Fox pretty much summed it up.

 

If @Mobius 1 is referring to the debacle that is RTX, including the failure to deliver adequate numbers of functioning product at release, failure to deliver any RTX feature games at release, the failure to deliver value for cost, all starting with the early performance and marketing failures to deliver accurate product messaging, then the RTX release has been nothing but a slow-motion spiral down the drain.

The worst offense for Nvidia over all was the failure to deliver sku / price levels to match the previous release. Instead of playing it straight, Nvidia deceptively elevated the 2080 into a 2080ti, the 2070 into a 2080, and turning the 2060 (without SLI) into the 2070 (without SLI).

The Nvidia RTX release has all been nothing but bull ****. I'd say the Nvidia RTX release has been all down, all the way the **** down.

Are you saying that the people with artifacting GPU's are supposed to only be looking at the pixels not artifacting and be happy?

Customers all want a 100% full glass of functioning product delivered for 100% functioning monies paid, and to have that happen on the first transaction - not requiring 1, 2, or 3 or more RMA's to get a functioning product.

 

Microsoft trumpeted real-time ray tracing technology earlier this year. NVIDIA’s RTX 20-series graphics cards support this fancy new graphics feature and were released a few months ago. But they can’t actually use DirectX Ray Tracing yet.

That’s been okay because very few games are actually supporting this technology. Everyone could wait.

Battlefield V Won’t Support Ray-Tracing at Release



Microsoft’s October Update Failure is Holding the Whole PC Industry Back

Btw. Is Nvidia a big Game developer? I'm not a gamer. So you have probably the answers.

 

We are referring to the "beta testing". Then they started talking about RTX.

 

I saw the same article you linked. It's sad what an abject failure Micro$lop has become, and even sadder that their incompetence is also dragging their "partners" into the gutter.

NVIDIA has a tremendous influence, to the point of being inordinate, on everything related to game development and the hardware it runs on.

I think @Mobius 1 mentioned "beta testing" tongue in cheek to be sarcastic, referring to the early adopters of immature products with latent defects as being guinea pigs rather than real beta testing.

 

I tried it both ways last night and still could not see any difference.

See if you can tell if it was on or off in this video.

 

You can't really tell if it was on or off in this video since it is a recording of gameplay using software. G-sync is a physical FPGA module integrated in your monitor. It changes your monitor refresh rate according to what fps you're getting in game. To be honest if you're getting 100 fps+ on 144/165 Hz panel it is really hard to tell if g-sync is on or off. You can really feel it when fps starts to dip below 60.

 

Yes, I was only being facetious about seeing if it showed in the video. What is displayed on the screen generally never shows in captured videos unless you are recording from an external camera. But, you are correct about the other things and that is probably why I have a difficult time seeing any advantage to it. Every system I have owned with G-Stink seldom dips below 100 FPS.

 

Live: Artifacting 2080 Ti Testing, ft. Pile of GPUs
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Started streaming 83 minutes ago


NVIDIA Releases GeForce 416.81 WHQL Drivers Fixing "Turing" Power Consumption
by btarunr Thursday, November 8th 2018 08:36
https://www.techpowerup.com/249347/...-whql-drivers-fixing-turing-power-consumption

"NVIDIA today released GeForce 416.81 WHQL drivers. These drivers provide optimization for "Battlefield V," which appears to be available to Origin Access users. In addition, the drivers significantly reduce Idle and Multi-monitor power-consumption of GeForce RTX 20-series graphics cards.

It also corrects G-Sync issues with "Turing" GPUs. Stuttering noticed on the RTX 2080 Ti when playing back HEVC videos is also fixed. A number of game-specific fixes related to "ARK Survival," "Shadow of the Tomb Raider," "Witcher 3: Wild Hunt," "Monster Hunter World," and "Far Cry 5" were also fixed. Grab the drivers from the link below.
DOWNLOAD: NVIDIA GeForce 416.81 WHQL "

Spoiler: Change Log

The change-log follows.

Game Ready

• Provides the optimal gaming experience for Battlefield V.

Fixed Issues and Other Changes

• Updated HD audio driver to 1.3.38.4
• Updated GeForce Experience to 3.15.0.186

Fixed Issues in this Release

• [Windows Defender Application Guard][vGPU][Surround]: Edge Browser with Application Guard cannot be opened when Surround is enabled. [200443580]
• [Turing GPU]: Multi-monitor idle power draw is very high. [2400161]
• [GeForce RTX 2080 Ti][G-Sync]: Blue-screen crash may occur when exiting games when using a G-Sync monitor with a non-G-Sync monitor. [2431628]
• [GeForce RTX 2080 Ti]: Stuttering occurs with HEVC video playback. [2414594]
• [GeForce GTX 970]: When audio playback is paused, audio receiver switches from multi-channel to stereo. Increased period from 5 seconds to 10 seconds. [2327715]
• [GeForce GTX 1060]AV receiver switches to 2-channel stereo mode after 5 seconds of audio idle. [2204857]
• [SLI][NVIDIA TITAN X][NVENC]: Recording and streaming of NVENC applications do not work. [2421622]
• [DirectX 11 games]: Mouse cursor causes FPS to go out of sync with windowed G-Sync. [2411009]
• [ARK Survival]: Improved game stability. [2420789]
• [Shadow of the Tomb Raider]: Improved game stability. [2416743]
• [Witcher 3 Wild Hunt]: Flickering occurs during gameplay. [200455193]
• [Monster Hunter World]: Corruption is seen when Volume Rendering is off. [2400914]
• [Far Cry 5]: Flickering occurs during gameplay. [2400207]

Official 416.81 Game Ready WHQL Display Driver Feedback Thread (Released 11/8/18)
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...lay-driver-feedback-thread-released-11-8-18-/

 

The GPUs of the Future

 

Ha, good one, didn't realise you were joking at first! I was just about to post something similar to Lumlx's post below, but he's explained it already. To capture it on video you'd have to video your monitor, and the phone or camcorder you would use would probably have to be running at a high frame rate to guarantee to capture any tearing (maybe a similar frame rate as the monitor).

 

Exactly. It is not possible to capture any kind of video glitch using screen capture because it's not actually capturing what is on the screen. It's called that, but it is not really an accurate name for it. In fact, screen capture will usually work even with the monitor turned off.

 

HW News - Samsung VRAM on RTX, GPU Malware, & BSOD Fixes
Gamers Nexus
Published on Nov 10, 2018
This hardware news recap largely discusses GPU topics: 7nm AMD Vega 20, RTX adding Samsung as a supplier, and PortSmash attacking GPUs.

Spoiler: Details...Show Index...Links

Show notes: https://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/3390-hw-news-samsung-vram-rtx-gpu-malware-7nm-gpus

News topics this week include the following:

- NVIDIA adds Samsung as VRAM supplier (but not for the reason everyone seems to think)
- NVIDIA driver fixes for most BSODs
- Days without RTX in games (and why)
- 7nm Rome CPUs & Zen 2
- 7nm Vega 20 GPUs
- Seasonic MSRP hike
- Intel Cascade Lake Xeon AP
- PortSmash exploits following Spectre/Meltdown
- SK Hynix Launches '4D NAND'
- Some Corsair launches

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Host, Editorial: Steve Burke
Editorial: Eric Hamilton
Video: Keegan Gallick & Andrew Coleman

 

Here is one heck of a CRAZY good deal. @Falkentyne should get this for his new 9900K. I almost bought it with the idea of selling everything except the GPU, but I want a beefier 2080 Ti than this.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1441775-REG/evga__rtx_2080_ti_xc.html

All This In the Box - For $1,679.99 and free shipping... INSANE price and in stock ready to buy right now and ship on Monday.

• GeForce RTX 2080 Ti XC ULTRA GAMING Graphics Card

• Z370 Classified K LGA 1151 ATX Motherboard

• SuperNOVA 1600 T2 1600W 80 Plus Titanium Modular Power Supply

• DG-77 Mid-Tower Case (Matte Black)

• CLC 240 RGB Liquid CPU Cooler

 

I think this might be the one to spring for rather than the MSI Trio. Definitely my preferred GPU brand.

Higher performing than the MSI Trio or ASUS Strix Jay has tested. Running a continuous loop of Heaven benchmark at 2100MHz is maxed out at 63°C with the stock air cooler and drawing around ~350W with no dynamic clocking bull crap. Looks like it is staying locked at the core clock speed Jay sets it to.

" This much GPU power is just insane... RTX 2080Ti FTW 3"

 

Nvidia RTX 2080 Ti Failures Update: Founders Edition Errors Most Common? | Grind

Nvidia’s response to our original story and the follow up coverage was to say that it was “working with users individually, but we are not seeing any broader issues.” The company refused to give us any information on either the sales figures for the 2080 Ti or the failure rates, and at the time of writing has yet to respond to further requests for comment on this story whatsoever.

When it comes to the AIB partner cards, though, we were more successful. Connor Richards, public relations manager at Overclockers UK, told Digital Trends that, “The unwanted return rate is slightly higher on the 2080 Ti than other cards, actual faults are very low though. Average return rate is about 3.5 percent with 50 percent of those being returns under the 14-day return policy.”

The two highest selling cards Overclockers UK has had in the past couple of years display similar number, he told us. They averaged a 3.34 percent return rate, with around 46 percent being “unwanted,” rather than failed cards. Those numbers suggest that the AIB partner 2080 Ti cards are as reliable (if not slightly more so) than most graphics cards. However, those numbers are skewed slightly favorably due to the relative youth of the GPUs.

We also received tips from several GPU manufacturers on the condition of anonymity, that they had experienced no issues with new cards.

One well established, UK-based system builder told us that they had seen zero failures among the 2080 Ti-equipped systems. We also received tips from several GPU manufacturers on the condition of anonymity, that they had experienced no issues with new cards, 2080 Ti or otherwise.

Harji Chana, COO of gaming PC builder, Digital Storm, told Digital Trends that they hadn’t seen any kind of “alarming” return rate on RTX 2080 Tis.

Famed overclocker Der8auer released a statement video for Caseking, citing failure numbers for the “thousands” of AIB partner 2080 Tis sold as around 1.4 percent. That’s noticeably higher than the 0.1 percent of returns for the 2080, but still far from substantial.

GamersNexus performed thermal testing of its own and didn’t discover any cause for concern with its 2080 Ti cards. However, it did report that Nvidia uses different thermal pads from multiple manufacturers with its cards. That could mean that some cards have slightly different thermal pads, which in theory, could lead to less-than-ideal contact between memory chips and coolers. That could explain why some cards experiencing the problems we’re seeing. At this time we don’t have any confirmation on that, though.

What we can confirm, thanks to GamersNexus, is that some of the non-artifacting issues with 2080 Ti cards aren’t as problematic as they might seem. Blue screens of death and crash to desktop errors appear to be caused by a combination of problems with high refresh rate monitors, G-Sync, and particular games. A driver update may be all that’s needed to fix that problem.

That said, there are clearly some problems cropping up with RTX cards and of those cards, the most problematic are 2080 Tis. And of the 2080 Tis, the most problematic are the Founders Edition cards.

With that in mind, if you want to buy a 2080 Ti, you appear to be more likely to receive a safe, stable graphics card if you buy one from a third-party, rather than Nvidia itself.




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" That said, there are clearly some problems cropping up with RTX cards and of those cards, the most problematic are 2080 Tis. And of the 2080 Tis, the most problematic are the Founders Edition cards.

With that in mind, if you want to buy a 2080 Ti, you appear to be more likely to receive a safe, stable graphics card if you buy one from a third-party, rather than Nvidia itself."

The key is to wait for the custom designed PCB's not based on the FE design. Those will be better anyway, with "unlocked" power vbios and more sensors - with different layout's.

I still wouldn't be in any kind of rush to purchase RTX GPU's until RTX improvements are usable.

Until Microsoft / Game Developers deliver RTX functionality there's really no reason to change from a 1080ti to a 2080ti.

It's going to be a year or two before there are enough RTX ray-tracing games out there with high enough FPS at 1440p / 4k anyway, we might was well sit out this problematicly pricey generation of Nvidia RTX GPU's.

Even though there are FPS improvements, nothing I've seen breaks through to a new level of usability that requires a 2080ti over a 1080ti.

Right now, taking advantage of the miners / gamers selling their GPU's to reduce their losses: getting a 1080ti for $450-550 used makes much more sense.

 

I had quoted that part.

Totally agree with that under any circumstances. I've never been interested in buying an FE card. As a general rule, they're not as good. Applies to previous generation GPUs as well. The post below also supports that.

I haven't ruled that out yet either. I've always been an SLI lover. Just waiting and watching for now. If I stick with 1080 Ti and go SLI then I would (assuming they are not sold by the time I decide what to do) buy the two K|ingp|n cards that Brother @Rage Set has for sale in our NBR Marketplace for roughly the same price as just one 2080 Ti FTW3. But, I am not doing anything right now.

 

FYI for those that haven't already seen it... Destiny 2 on Battle.net is free, for keeps, until November 18

 

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