Pascal MXM GPU Upgrades

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I'm guessing single 1080?

 

Only one is possible for this moment, but this take some time.

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I will LOVE IT if it becomes possible to upgrade a P870DM-G to 2x1080's (or even 1 of them) from 2x980's

 

totally possible (one, that is) two would be quite the feat, if not impossible (unless, of course, u take the mobo out of the chassis as CEG is obviously doing *lol*)

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2 will be possible only with the lower TDP MSI cards. The Clevo ones, only 1 can fit in the left slot.

 

One fit by right side as master.

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Ah ! Yeah my bad. Not sure why I ignored the installation in the right slot.

 

Depends how you orient it I guess. If not just master and slave... which is written on the mobo btw... we can call them the medial and lateral slots? ;p

 

If this is successful is it likely to be offered as a service where we can send in our laptops for the upgrade? I only ask as i noticed the guy that was doing it was a company rep from a reseller.

I will love him forever if he figures out how to do this (and even more if he provides the service haha).

 

Btw . This just hit me why I ignored the right side slot - being able to use the T shape heatsink. Specially because the SLI (or the ones that fit on the right) ones won't be enough for a 1080.

 

Well that depends on how TDP gimped the MSI 1080's are ..... if that's what they're using.

I'll be interested to see some of things going on with fitting a clevo 1080. But (if it fits) the 980 dual fan heatsink should be ok since the 980 was 200W

Until there's a standard MXM (i.e. 980M size) pascal board with SLI connector - and I think the chances are slim to none there's just too much to fit on the board without skimping on power delivery (*cough*MSI 980 *cough*) - forget Pascal SLI in the P870DM. The MSI's don't fit next to each other and the slave would hit the RAM slots I reckon.

 

@clevo-extreme
let me tell you, if you (as a company) manage to upgrade P870DM-G to 1080 successfully, you will be making SOME money from it. Be it one (single) or two (SLI), Clevo (more powerful) or MSI (TDP gimped) variant, doesn`t matter.

I will be more than happy to show middle finger to Clevo just as they did to me - and I`m sure I`m not the only one

 

Unfortunately you are not alone. Back to topic, we awaiting now for spare parts which we need to upgrade. We check too compatibility with 2x gtx 980 180w & 1x gtx 1080

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CEG- Hardcorecustom <- pretty accurate I must say.

 

Hey all, so I've been intrigued by this discussion and I'm just curious if any of you guys have a list of why its not possible to go from say 2 x 980m's to say 2x gtx 1080's in a P870DM-G,

Is it solely down to the fact the 1080's look a bit bigger in physical size than they 980's or is it a firmware/software issue or is it a power draw issue (I thought that the pascal architecture was much more efficient than that of maxwell)

Or maybe even just because they have redesigned the mxm standard for the new pascal cards,

muchos thanks in advance.

 

If it is mainly down to the physical size of the boards, would it not be possible to 3D print a new bottom case for the p870DM-G and or use small riser boards to install 1 or 2 1080's???

 

Technically it's the "bottom middle" case and even with making them physically fit, heatsinks are a big issue too. Look at the humongous chunk of vapour chamber and copper that is the DM3 heatsink and compare to the wimpy triple pipes of 980M SLI.

It's one reason that I started playing around with detachable watercooling in a guinea pig laptop. Not enough hours in the day for running a business and a kid and all this other stuff I want to do though!!

 

Does this include MSI GT-ivy bridge series with mxm system? If yes I'll vote

 

Maybe someone in this thread can answer this for me.

So if I buy a msi GT72VR 6RD withthe 1060 gtx, can I upgrade the 1060 to a 1070 GTX? Is it simple plug and play if this can be done?

 

No.

 

No? I thought msi had mxm gpus?

 

Yeah, so did about a million other people

MSI is doing trade-in's for the GPU upgrades, not MXM card replacements.

You trade in your GT Maxwell laptop for a new GT Pascal laptop, paying for the upgrade.

MSI's last MXM only upgrades were the 970m/980m. But, even then MSI didn't offer MXM upgrades within the line, so you wouldn't be able to do a 1060 / 1070 upgrade anyway.

MSI isn't promising MXM GPU upgrades for new Pascal laptops either.

You can only get on the trade-in train if you are the original owner of a GT72/GT80 Maxwell laptop. You can then get 2 generations of trade-in's. Pascal and whatever next generation GPU comes after that, Volta if Nvidia plans hold up.

So, the short answer was No. Don't you wish you would have been happy accepting and knowing only "No"?

GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...0-gt80s-owners-gpu-upgrade-discussion.795236/

 

No that is good to know, thank you!

I am buying a 17" gaming laptop this weekend and was going to get a msi GT72VR 6RD with the 1060 because I figured I could upgrade it to a 1070 later. Now I will have to rethink what gaming laptop to buy.

MSi is allowing a trade in for the original mxm 900 series with the gen after pascal? That seems like an extended amount of time that is not very profitable for them.

So they won't off a trade-in train for pascal models for the next gen? Next gen being Volta like you said?

So if I want to upgrade my GPU I have to get a Clevo/Sager chassis...

 

The trade-in deal is only for the owners of GT72/GT80 Maxwell laptops, because they were promised 2 generations of GPU upgrades, Pascal and Volta.

The new laptops with Pascal original GPU's don't have a trade-in or upgrade program announced, so you can't count on anything.

You can't count on getting Pascal MXM GPU's and slapping them in Pascal laptops either, as the BIOS / vbios must match - G-sync MXM GPU's or non-G-sync MXM GPU's have different match vbio's - and any 1070 MXM GPU won't work with 1060 MXM laptops - without upgraded cooling and power and BIOS/vbios that match.

Just get what you want to live with for the next year or three, and be happy

 

Will do.

Thanks a lot for the help!

 

This is a thread about Pascal upgrades. "Be happy with paying through the nose for expensive locked down anti-consumer throwaway BGA trash" is not only off-topic, it's anti-topic.

No one knows yet whether a 1060 is upgradeable to a 1070. But like every other model sold with two variants of a part, I would assume a default of yes, rather than no. You may need to also change a heatsink, or a power cable, or flash the bios, so what? Since when has that kind of stuff been "too hard"?

 

When you don't have the parts, and no upgrade path is provided by the vendor, like MSI, or Clevo.

And, I answered an on thread topic question.

The question was about Pascal MXM GPU upgrades by MSI for MSI Pascal MXM GPU's.

The answer is negative, no MSI MXM GPU upgrades are being considered or provided by MSI, which is what was asked.

My closing statement was to indicate that he shouldn't count on an upgrade from the 1060 to a 1070 be provided by MSI, and to instead buy the system he wants to live with for 1 - 3 years; which would by extension be a recommendation to get the 1070 now.

 

this was all done to drive sales to newer laptops and to not have vulnerability holes of older analogue, legacy hardware. This started mainly because MS operating systems have about as many backdoors/holes as a factory making swiss cheese. The only way around being analogue was to be purely digital. That is what has driven most computer changes in the last 5 years. DX12 UEFI and changing formfactor on these cards was all in an attempt to eliminate anything analogue. Digital is cheaper, easier to produce, has less errors, greater quality control, has a tolerance that can be manage on an I/O level from boolean logic instead of high and low being many grades in between. This also allows security more control, also allows marketing a larger glimpse at what we do, it's just a much much more controlled environment, and I think many things are forcing these changes. I know for certain NVidia has gone almost bankrupt trying to force these changes, I have to suspect they wouldn't have spent 4 Bn USD on this sort of tech over 2-3 years unless someone else was funding them, because thats nearly thier entire budget/sales gross, never mind net. SO ultimately whats making them force us to do this ? Why couldn't the competition force AMD to do this instead ? Is AMD just a bigger fish and doesn't have to respond or are they doing the same thing too, or just a different market. I think the missing AMD from the market is what caused most of this, because they have always been what drove NVidia to perfection, by being competitive.

 

Do you have any evidence of nvidia being near bankrupt?

Also why would a factory making Swiss cheese need more doors than any other factory?


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@clevo-extreme did you ever have any luck managing to mod a 1080 into the P870DM-G At all?

 

We have yesterday put inside kaby lake and work's fine. Results the same as by p870dm2/3 and KM/KM1. With pascal upgrade is stopped, maybe next week we started again.

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If you did manage to get the pascal into the P870DM-G would this be something that you would offer to people to purchase (as an upgrade) or not. I for one would be the first customer!

 

Good to hear about Kaby... Now, put 100% in and get that 1080 into the DM-G lol

 

@Mr. Fox ive heard that the Gtx 1060m is 3.1/0b and is drop in for EDP powered systems, Ive seen bits and peices around but i can't actually find one to buy anywhere, I do know that MSI make one.

I'm fairly sure the 1060m is also faster or equal to the 980m and is able to clock higher and use less power.

 

I think that may be true. Being kind of the ugly duckling in third place with minimal performance benefit over 980M it probably lacks the performance craved by most looking to move to Pascal.

 

@Mr. Fox While that may be true, It is going to be an amazing upgrade for those of us still using 6990m's, I don't want a turdbook, I love my M17x Wish they made laptops like they used to.

 

Would it be possible to upgrade a P870DM-G to a P870DM3-G by swapping the motherboard out , I mean does the P870DM3-G motherboard fit into the shell of the P870DM-G, obviously you would also have to swap the GPU's but is that possible, cos for sure I would do that if all it involved was buying a new motherboard/Cooler.

 

Unfortunately is not possible, because i/o ports places is changing.

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Yeah Clevo have really screwed 870DM owners...

 

Please... don't remind me of it... My blood boils every time I think about it.

 

Not this again.

Specific to this thread it is possible to chuck a 10 series in there, it's just not a Clevo made card

 

What's better than 1 thunderbolt port? 2 THUNDERBOLT PORTS!!
And of course screwing people over.

 

Which 10 series card? and where do I get one that works in the P870DM-G?

 

Hahaha isn't worth! Is not dedicated - is not a Clevo manufacturer and it is "sample"

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MSI 1070 it works fine with the 980m heatsink, the 980dt heatsink needs minor modding

A couple have done it. Coolane has an improved 200W power limit bios

Eurocom sell a kit
Or PM @woodzstack here on NBR
Or you can buy from their ebay stores

 

So my next question is I wonder what resellers would charge for us P870DmG users to send our systems back to them and have them use all the removable parts ours contain and place them in a 1080 compatible chassis whilst swapping our (in my case dual 980m's for a single 1080 card) then charging us the difference.

That would be awesome but I don't see any of them doing that.

 

Because basically nothing is interchangeable. Your only option is selling off your DM and buying a DM3/KM1 as many others have

 

Like an official exchnage or some aftermarket mcgyver stuff that we like doing ?

This is right.

 

or just make do and buy a 1070