The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
← Previous pageNext page →

    SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News, and Advice)

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Greg, Oct 29, 2009.

  1. max420

    max420 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    221
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    what's up with the samsung drives only being $450 plus a 320 or 500gb hdd from dell, and the intel being almost that much for a fraction of the storage space?

    oh, and lol


    lol, internet at it's best. i love how peoples position goes from "blah blah this is true." but then when they are wrong, they're singin "Well, that doesn't matter anyways. "

    then why did you bother to say it in the first place? :p
     
  2. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

    Reputations:
    5,398
    Messages:
    12,690
    Likes Received:
    2,717
    Trophy Points:
    631
    max420,

    I can only hope it means that the Intel will live up to its hype - even if it means I pay more.

    lol, glad someone else caught that as well!
     
  3. vostro1400user

    vostro1400user Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    202
    Messages:
    1,064
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
  4. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    2,389
    Messages:
    10,552
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    456
    All current consumer SSDs have their flaws, Intel included, so don't hold your breath in thinking that if you get an Intel it will be the perfect SSD. Just remember, more expensive doesn't necessarily means it's better.

    In Canada, when the sXPS 1645 came out, upgrading from 500GB 7200RPM HDD to 256GB Samsung was only +$200!
     
  5. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

    Reputations:
    5,398
    Messages:
    12,690
    Likes Received:
    2,717
    Trophy Points:
    631
    sgogeta4, don't need it perfect, just need it to be better than a Scorpio Blue - in all aspects.
     
  6. ronan_zj

    ronan_zj Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    all i need is a fast random writting and reading, so I decide to get another intel 160G as my OS partition.
     
  7. max420

    max420 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    221
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I'm in vancouver, the SSD was listed as a $450 upgrade from 320GB, but i got it for $250 cause i upgraded the out of my lap, and they lied to me when i got the one i sent back.

    a la carte its always more. dell sells that for so much on it's own because they can, these drives aren't available to general public yet.

    EDIT: this is the list price as of now @ Dell.ca.....and I do have to say they DO have room to move on that price.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    2,972
    Messages:
    7,788
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    sellers like to make money, and can, as people pay that much. technically, the intel would be much cheaper by now..



    no, my statement still holds: the batch helps, and it helps in it's default setting. and i don't bother if some stuff gets skipped, or not, as i know that it HELPS AS A WHOLE. => it does not change the way i should use it at all. still nice to have learned something.
     
  9. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    2,972
    Messages:
    7,788
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    the current intels only have one flaw: a short time public available firmware update that could fail and brick the drive. but the drive itself is perfectly working. no clue what you dream of. (and yes, seeing that some might have issues doesn't make the product as a whole buggy. it makes the the one they got buggy => they should rma. just like ANYTHING on the whole world)
     
  10. Cape Consultant

    Cape Consultant SSD User

    Reputations:
    153
    Messages:
    1,149
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    55
    OK, I got it, cloned it with Acronis TI Home 2010, renooted and I am in business. It is very zippy. Me, I feel like the dentist hit me with a truck and then gave me a couple pain pills. At least part of that sentence is true :) n So, no benchmarks yet. I do not really wnat to go there. I want to use the computer the way UI usually do, and get a FEELING. As that to me tells much mroe than some numbers.

    So far, all is good. No slow downs, at least that i can attribute to the drive. Slow down between the ears for sure :) this will be a great test to see if, in today's level of consumer SSD, one can clone and run so to speak.

    I have done NO tweaks. How do I check to make sure defrag is OFF? And is there any other "tweak" worth doing/checking. I have Win 7 32 bit, but since it is not a fresh install, I am not sure that it "knows" it is an SSD.

    I love the quiet. Just chip and power supply fan now. I MAY even look into the quietest power supply I could put there for grins. But so far, I am very happy but have not done any real work, so cannot yet say on the multitasking etc. Did a quick Security essentials scxan and that was nice and fast. I guess the really really BIG question is where shold I put my SSD sticker? Car Bumper? Forehead? Cat? Dave
     
  11. ronan_zj

    ronan_zj Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    no, put the sticker on your head!!!!
    lol, JK~~
    i would stick on my laptop. hahaha
     
  12. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    2,972
    Messages:
    7,788
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    one thing you could do is the windows benchmarking thing (winsat?). just to make sure it tests the drive. it will detect that it's an ssd based on this check. after that, no need to disable defrag, as it won't defrag that drive.
     
  13. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

    Reputations:
    5,398
    Messages:
    12,690
    Likes Received:
    2,717
    Trophy Points:
    631
    Cape Consultant,

    Congrats on your new SSD! I'll be eagerly watching for your impressions with it. Must say the quiet is what I also noticed with SSD powered systems.

    Hope you feel better soon to tell us all about it!
     
  14. Cape Consultant

    Cape Consultant SSD User

    Reputations:
    153
    Messages:
    1,149
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Good idea, doing winsat as soon as I can find it. I have a feeling that this drive is a keeper, unline the Gskill and Samung from years ago.
     
  15. Cape Consultant

    Cape Consultant SSD User

    Reputations:
    153
    Messages:
    1,149
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Disk score is 7.3. Up from somehitng, but I was watching the overall score for a change, and then realized that that score does not changed, is tied to the lowest score, which is my admittedly yesteryear graphics card. I do no gaming cept for solitaies. I think the disk was previously about 5.9, but may have been 4.9. So, 7.3 is pretty good, eh? BTW, this is my only drive.
     
  16. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    2,972
    Messages:
    7,788
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    yeah sounds nice. now win7 should 'know' your ssd, and not missbehave.
     
  17. ronan_zj

    ronan_zj Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    This is my WEI, and I dont know why it is SO SLOW on graphics!!!!
    DAMN!!!
     

    Attached Files:

  18. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    2,972
    Messages:
    7,788
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    must be the ssd...

    :)
     
  19. LaptopGun

    LaptopGun Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    34
    Messages:
    362
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Sorry I've been MIA. My laptop now flies because of the intel. Its avery expensive upgrade, but given the wicked fast everything and the reasonable price made it worth it. $2.60 per gig. Perhaps even better though are the inherent traits of the current SSDs. No vibration, no noise, no heat, lower power consumption in comparison to regular hard drives. I'm sold.

    I bit the bullet and clean-installed Vista. Ill upgrade to 7 when the fixed trim firmware is out.
     
  20. ronan_zj

    ronan_zj Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    nop, when my hard drive score was 7.4, the graphic was still low
     
  21. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    2,972
    Messages:
    7,788
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    you've seen the smiley, right? :)
     
  22. ronan_zj

    ronan_zj Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    hahah, nop, i am drunk now~~my eyes cant focus haha
     
  23. Cape Consultant

    Cape Consultant SSD User

    Reputations:
    153
    Messages:
    1,149
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    55
    I could not resiste:

    --------------------------------------------------
    CrystalDiskMark 2.2 (C) 2007-2008 hiyohiyo
    Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
    --------------------------------------------------

    Sequential Read : 239.910 MB/s
    Sequential Write : 98.074 MB/s
    Random Read 512KB : 165.034 MB/s
    Random Write 512KB : 101.553 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB : 19.467 MB/s
    Random Write 4KB : 45.419 MB/s

    Test Size : 100 MB
    Date : 2009/11/24 2:25:17

    Pretty good, yes?
     
  24. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

    Reputations:
    5,398
    Messages:
    12,690
    Likes Received:
    2,717
    Trophy Points:
    631
    Well, I'm no fan of benchmarks, but yes! More than pretty good - I can see from the 98MB/s Seq Write that you have the Trim enabled firmware!

    Looking Good! :)
     
  25. ronan_zj

    ronan_zj Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Try test size with 1000MB, and 10 runs.

     
  26. Cape Consultant

    Cape Consultant SSD User

    Reputations:
    153
    Messages:
    1,149
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    55
    OK, will do tomorrow. Sleep now.
     
  27. kevblah

    kevblah Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    1
    Messages:
    259
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    just got my alienware M15x today. when i took it apart to put the kingston ssdnow drive in it, i was shocked to find that the drives had different connectors. the HDD that came in it had long thin metal connectors and my ssd drive had more plastic and thin metal connectors, anyone know about this?
     
  28. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

    Reputations:
    5,398
    Messages:
    12,690
    Likes Received:
    2,717
    Trophy Points:
    631
    It is probably just an adaptor that slips over the SATA and Power connections on the original drive. Gently work it off and put it on your new Kingston and enjoy!
     
  29. kevblah

    kevblah Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    1
    Messages:
    259
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    i'll give that a try now, thanks
     
  30. kevblah

    kevblah Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    1
    Messages:
    259
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    you are either a genius or i am an idiot, or a combination of both lol! sure enough, the plastic piece came right off and it fit right over the solid state drive
     
  31. max420

    max420 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    221
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    =D *chuckle* sorry, couldn't resist.
     
  32. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

    Reputations:
    5,398
    Messages:
    12,690
    Likes Received:
    2,717
    Trophy Points:
    631
    Hey, we were all there at one time or another, right? ;)

    kevblah, you're welcome.
     
  33. jholty

    jholty Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    Hi guys, just thought i would chime in on this SSD thread. I've got a Dell Precision M4400 and installed a OCZ Vertex EX SSD. Been up and running for a week and so far i'm pretty damn happy. Boot times are not "super fast" but are still 10x faster than my old HDD. what is the most widely used benchmark software so i can test the actual speed of my SSD?

    also, how is this score compared to others?

    [​IMG]
     
  34. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    4,843
    Messages:
    8,389
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    205
  35. max420

    max420 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    221
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    offtopic

    dude, you don't even know.

    I did it. on my first comp, ~10 years ago, a desktop Dell P3 800mhz, I forced the sd ram stick in the wrong way, and I turned it on. ohya. didn't even notice it was keyed. :eek:

    /offtopic


    jholty, i've been using this:

    here is my Samsung:

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    i see a lot of people using crystal disk as well
     
  36. sgilmore62

    sgilmore62 uber doomer

    Reputations:
    356
    Messages:
    1,897
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    @max420, The AS benchmark is reading your firmware as VBM1, that is a clue that you may not have the best SATA drivers for your SSD. I would try uninstalling them, check the box, delete drivers for this device and let the default Windows 7 drivers install.
     
  37. sgilmore62

    sgilmore62 uber doomer

    Reputations:
    356
    Messages:
    1,897
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    My WEI HDD score for 60gb Summit was 7.4 when it was new, it now fluctuates between 6.8 and 7.1.


    [​IMG]
     
  38. max420

    max420 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    221
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    i tried to uninstall them via device manager, but i see no option to delete the driver.
     
  39. sgilmore62

    sgilmore62 uber doomer

    Reputations:
    356
    Messages:
    1,897
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    It could be that you have the correct SATA drivers. My assumption that you don't is that hardware ids reported VBM1 as the firmware for my SSD when I had the wrong SATA drivers installed. When I installed default Windows 7 SATA drivers, VBM1 became VBM18C1Q. Of course that is what it was all along, hardware ids was just incapable of reading it with the wrong drivers installed. The default Windows 7 driver is 6.1.7600.16385.

    [​IMG]
     
  40. max420

    max420 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    221
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    ya, thats one i have installed.
     
  41. ronan_zj

    ronan_zj Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    just try to avoid bench mark, never look at the value, so you won't notice if ur drive is slow or not.
     
  42. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

    Reputations:
    5,398
    Messages:
    12,690
    Likes Received:
    2,717
    Trophy Points:
    631
    WEI Score looks fine, but did you see this?
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5551845&postcount=33

    Also for more info see:
    http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63480
     
  43. Jackboot

    Jackboot Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    69
    Messages:
    759
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    FYI, it looks like the Intel-branded 40GB X25V will be shipping December 29. It's reasonable to guess that it will ship with TRIM support, meaning that the already released Kingston-branded version will have a firmware update available around that time.

    link 1

    link 2

    I wonder if the 320GB drive will be released at the same time?
     
  44. ronan_zj

    ronan_zj Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    the price looks pretty high..
     
  45. sgilmore62

    sgilmore62 uber doomer

    Reputations:
    356
    Messages:
    1,897
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
  46. Kermee

    Kermee Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    130
    Messages:
    337
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Neat utility! Thought I'd give it a run (Intel X-25M G2 160GB - Microsoft AHCI Drivers):

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Cheers,
    Kermee


     
  47. ronan_zj

    ronan_zj Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I thought Intel 160G G2 4k random reading could reach 20Mb/s at least..
     
  48. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

    Reputations:
    5,398
    Messages:
    12,690
    Likes Received:
    2,717
    Trophy Points:
    631
  49. ronan_zj

    ronan_zj Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
  50. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

    Reputations:
    5,398
    Messages:
    12,690
    Likes Received:
    2,717
    Trophy Points:
    631
    From what I understand, as long as the SSD's firmware is Trim capable, then this will pass Trim commands to the drive. Supposedly, this works much better than the MS default drivers and the old 8.9 IMSM.

    As long as your notebook's chipset supports the IMSM, then you should be able to try this.

    I'm using it right now on my VAIO with a Scorpio Blue and it is noticeably more 'zippy' the HD.
     
← Previous pageNext page →