Samsung 830 SSD

hi,
thx for reply. Have you ever used AMD SATA driver instead of msahci? If so, have you experinced any issues with Magician software on amd driver?

 

From what i could find out, the AMD driver is much older and doesnt support TRIM apparently, so I didnt even try.

But i'm not 100% sure if thats true, got to do more research...

edit:

Ok, after some research, i believe the AMD has enabled the TRIM support in their newer drivers,
so i tried it out.



Sequential speeds seem to have dropped a little, but the 512k read dropped a lot,
while the 4k increased both read and write.

The 4k-64 result from the MS driver benchmark is probably a fluke,
because one benchmark run gave over 500MB/s, so it should be ignored...

All in all, i'll try the AMD driver for a while and see if i notice any real life performance changes.

 

Hi artemus,

probably you've find this but here you can find the latest sata/ahci driver from AMD: AMD RAID/SATA Drivers and it supports TRIM for sure.

I have Intel 320 in my 6465b and I can't do optimatization (GC + TRIM) by toolbox on AMD driver. Toolbox says that it is in RAID mode. So, I have question if Samsung Magician supports amd driver when i want to do GC + TRIM - performance optimization process.

 

Samsung Magician works normal with AMD driver.

Optimization and benchmark work as before, no errors...

 

Guys is this SSD good?

 

Samsung 830 64GB in the X220i
AS SSD

seq 498 - 158
17 - 49
258 - 59
0.117 -0.069

The definite winner for the most good looking SSD in the world.

 

I hope so, because I just ordered a 256GB today.

 

Performance is one of the best.

Power consumption is not.

 

Can I use the SSD on my current laptop??
Gonna buy a new laptop soon but I want to know if it works on this one aswell.

 

Yes it will work.

 

Oh, thanks mate.
I suppose I have Sata II support?

 

I can't really tell by that screenshot.

If you have a Sandy Bridge laptop (Core iX-XXXX) you have SATA III.

What is your notebook?

If you have a power efficient notebook the Crucial M4 might be a better choice.

 

Anyone have info on how much battery life was increased once they put in the 830?

 

The normal on the HDD in an X220i was approximately 6.5 hours maiximum on balanced settings.

With SSD, 45min to an hour extra on the same settings. Sometimes hitting 8 hours. But usage is not consistent during this period.

 

oh, no its an old laptop
core 2 duo
acer aspire 5930g

 

Still Phil, as I look on this benches, especially on SATA2 configuration, I am extremely happy that I did not buy even 64GB version for even 100$ with game.

 

I have the 256gb version installed on my Thinkpad X220 (9 cell battery) & battery life has gone from from 9 hrs to 11 hrs

 

Really? You think these benchmark results are rubbish?

 

I compare it to Crucial M4. And 64GB version used to cost 89.99.

4K reads less than 20 MB/sec. Really?

 

4k reads above ~15MB/sec aren't important for single users. Focus on real world performance instead.

Contrary to populair belief higher 4K random reads does not equal higher real world performance.

 

But how can I do it?
Tell me someone how fast Windows 7 boots on SATA2 configuration.

 

There are too many variables that influence the boot time besides the SSD to make sensible comparisons.

For example, here the Crucial M4 beats the Samsung 830 in booting:
Samsung 830 Series 512GB SSD Review > Benchmarks: Real-World Applications - TechSpot Reviews

While here the Samsung 830 beats the Crucial M4:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/2389/4/ssd-test-samsung-probeert-het-opnieuw-trace-based-benchmarks.html

 

Well on my Sata III config, my X220 boots up Win 7 in less than 12 sec whereas previously with a standard 7200rpm drive it was 20 sec. Granted SATA II performance won't be as good but then again why waste your money on the 830 SSD to use in a SATA II config? Just buy a decent SATA II drive such as Samsung 470 and save some money in the process

 

Maybe because in newest SSDs speed is far from being the only factor which is changed?
Lifetime, better reaction on TRIM work and Monitoring software really cost that little difference between SATA2 and SATAIII SSDs.

 

This is after a few days of use on my HDX 18 with a clean install, no SATA 3 here but I don't think I'd see much of a difference.

 

Well, after waiting over a month for the 512GB version from Amazon, I cancelled and got a Crucial M4 for $100 less.

 

SATA III SSD Showdown: Which Solid State Drive is Fastest?

 

Hi. Does anyone know if Toshiba X775-3DV80 supports SATA III so I can buy this SSD?

 

Yes that Toshiba supports it.

 

I plan on buying a new ssd to replace my old vertex in my M17x. I am in need of more storage space but don't want to spend money on a mechanical drive at the moment (my seagate 500gb is failing fast, so I want to put all my games on a bigger ssd). Music and other stuff can wait on an external HDD for now.

I can buy an M4 256go or 830 256go for almost the same price, but don't know which to choose...

More precisely, are there any tests with the M4 that mention if it has the latest firmware or not?
And regarding Samsung, are they known for improving their products with firmware updates?
Could the 830 be the more future proof option between the 2?
Or, because I have a sata2 system, I should just buy the cheaper one cause I won't see any significant difference between the 2 anyway...

 

Samsung is a little faster, Crucial uses a bit less power.

It's unlikely you'll notice the speed difference. If you have a power efficient (smaller) notebook it's like to make a difference in battery life.

Dutch review Crucial M4 fw 009 vs. Samsung 830: Ssd-test: Samsung probeert het opnieuw | Trace-based benchmarks | Core | Tweakers.net Reviews

 

In case you won't switch to a new notebook with SATA III support in the near future, a SATA II SSD maybe the better and cheaper option.
I read somewhere in the net that SATA III SSDs perform worse at a SATA II port than an original SATA II SSD.

 

That's isn't accurate as far as I know. Anandtech and others have shown SATA III drives to be significantly faster even when they're on SATA II ports.

If you want to read it look for earlier Vertex 3 reviews on Anandtech.com

 

Ok so I probably will buy the Samsung, not that I don't care about power savings (I switch to the 9400m as much as I can), but the cpu is at 100% all the time to help science with boinc and it's a desktop replacement anyway.

Thanks Phil for your answer If others have suggestions, do not hesitate of course.

 

Thank you for the answer. I'll go ahead and buy it then

 

Found an interesting thread on HardOCP about an issue a user is having with the Samsung 830 256gb, but don't be alarmed too much as his use is way more than an average user have, more like tillers, none the less is worth checking for people that will have that kinda use,

Huge issues with SSD's and my needs.

 

Yeah, I was told I was crazy...

SSD's are not the best storage sub-system option by default, yet.

Over-provisioning has helped immensely for me (but using a 100GB partition out of an 250GB SSD sure gets expensive fast - especially when multiple systems need to be as fast as possible for the $$$$).

What also seems to have really helped is moving the Users folder to another drive (first 100GB partition on a HDD or even another SSD).

SSD's for me are still mostly vapour-ware. The promise is there, but push them like you could a mechanical and the performance can land you back in 1995.

SSD's can be pushed hard - but they need to be treated with kid goves to last in that kind of work load.

 

I have two 256gb PM830's in Raid 0 and this is what they look like using AS SSD - 4k read is a bit lower than what I expected but on the whole, I think they look pretty ok, afaik.

What d'ya reckon? - is it likely that there is any (much) difference between an oem version PM830 as opposed to the retail 830?

 

Perhaps I can shed some light on that question.

I just installed a single 256GB 830 in my Lenovo Thinkpad X220 yesterday. Unfortunately, I didn't think to bench the system before loading a few programs. Hopefully, they won't skew the results too much.

 

Tiller! Good to see your still keeping everyone in check around here

StevieJones that is just sick! Your banned

For the ones out there that are still on the fence about the Samsung SSD's, it's time to jump off and face reality. Your not going to find problems with them. There just built rock solid thru and thru.

 

Thanks - seems that they are pretty much identical as my PM830's from your bench results.

Hahaha, thanks! - I agree about Samsung. I have NEVER had a problem with ANYTHING made by Sammy, EVER. (touches wood)

 

Quick question.

Anyone know if Samsung SSD Magician works with OEM PM830 drives or is it just retail versions? - noob question but wanted to ask it anyway!

 

As long as its a Samsung drive it should work, OEM or not.

 

Yes, I have heard it will work. I keep hearing different stories about FW updating though. I've only done the 470 myself so I don't know who to believe.

 

Cheers guys - I might fire off an enquiry to Samsung to get a definitive yes or no from them!

 

Hi,

I used the SSD Magician USB boot tool to secure erase both my 256GB 830's, and they both now show "0000000000000" for their serial numbers In the Intel RST tool, SSD Magician and the USB boot tool. Does this sound right to you guys?

I'm trying to get my M17x back into RAID0 for a rebuild, but the "Intel Rapid Storage Technology - Option Rom" screen no longer shows at boot (I'm definitly in RAID mode), and Windows will only see the drive in bay 0 when I have both drives installed (although they both show in BIOS), and I'm wondering if it could be related to the matching serials.

I did re-flash the BIOS as well to take advantage of SATA III speeds, and have posted a similar question in the m17x forum discussing the BIOS (only about the effect of the BIOS change, not the change to the SSD's). It was a reply there that led me here (via a thread in the m18x forums).

Any ideas or advice would be gratefully recieved, thanks.

 

You could have a read of this thread - good for setting up a raid 0 array. Although its in the M18x section, should be the same for you. Guide on page 1.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...d0-questions-troubleshooting-discussions.html

 

Thanks steviejones133 That’s the very thread that led me here (This post to be precise http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...roubleshooting-discussions-4.html#post7994623).

My question was about the effect of the SSD Magician "secure erase" resetting the drive serials to the same "000000000000", which appears to have confused the "Intel Rapid Storage Technology - Option Rom".

I've just finished testing this by installing the hard drive from my old laptop (which is an old school "normal" hard drive) alongside each of my SSDs in turn. In this configuration I can see the "Option Rom" screen again to set up RAID on the m17x. To my mind this proves that having two drives with the same serial number (or some deeper identifer) is my problem. So I suppose my questions should have been: "Is this the correct behaviour for the Samsung tool with these drives?" And "Does anyone here know how to re-set the serial number record to its correct setting?"

I've also noticed that where the drives were previously listed as "Samsung SSD P830" in the Option Rom, BIOS and Secure Erase tool, they are now only listed as "Samsung SSD". So my current thinking it that the SSD Magician tool it what’s at fault, I've emailed Samsung support but I figured someone here may have seen similar behaviour.

Cheers

 

Im not sure if magician would have caused those errors - I contacted Samsung to verify if I could use that very tool with my OEM PM830's and the response I got was basically NO. They did say it MAY detect my drives but the Sammy rep. said that the OEM and Retail drives have different firmware. Not sure.

Maybe you could ask over here Samsung SSD 830 RAID Review Discussion - Storage Forums to see if any of the guys can verify that Magician is responsible or not.

Did you manage to successfully set up the Raid Array and install the OS ?

 

Unfortunaltly not. Although I could get into the Option Rom with the borrowed drive installed, as soon as I put my both my SSD's back in it goes back to hating me

I'll get myself registered with storage review and see if anyone there can point me in the right direction.

Thanks for the advice