Successful MXM GPU Upgraded Laptops

(in several days I will have one new msi 1070 for sale..
Nothing intentionally , just saying as the topic is around this, besides - hands down, msi is the best mxm 1070 out there. Zotac, the Chinese crap are jokes in comparison.

 

What's the issue with these chinese 1070 ? weak vrm ?

 

No, the VRMs are ok, as they are the same as on Quadro P5000.
The problem is the Chinese use rebranded/refurbished GPU sockets.
Poor soldering, leading to loose contacts when pcb under heavy heat...

 

Once again, not MXM, but cross-posting here:

I received a rather pleasant surprise today: my Quadro RTX 5000 DGFF2 had arrived, and I have installed it.

Before I dive in, let me start with a picture, comparing all three GPUs I've used so far. From left to right:

• Quadro P3200 DGFF2 (Dell P/N XDVC6)
• Quadro RTX 3000 DGFF2 (Dell P/N MWDWM)
• Quadro RTX 5000 DGFF2 (Dell P/N 8CMTP).

This is intended to be a comparison primarily of the overall board layout, the GPU die size and port positioning. The P3200 and the RTX 3000 boards have a lot in common; nearly everything is in almost exactly the same position. VRAM count is the same, at 6 GB.

Some other notes:

1. I had to swap out the heatsink—details mentioned here in the last spoiler.
2. The existing DGFF power cable was almost too short to fit into the RTX 5000's port, which has moved, as one can see in the photos. I just managed to plug it in, but it requires some finger gymnastics.
3. The VRM set-up has increased for the RTX 5000. This makes it likely that it can support more power in, as it is currently set at 80 W.
4. All three boards come with an aluminium EM shield (the latter two on both sides) to reduce anti-static discharge. This was removed to photograph the complete PCB configuration.

The RTX 5000 board is testament to the fact that a powerful GPU, and 16 GB of fast GDDR6 VRAM can be fit onto a board roughly equal to the area of MXM-A. Whether or not it actually happens is merely down to manufacturer willingness to do it. Dell did, and I have now upgraded the GPU in my notebook, twice.

This time, I actually performed some benchmarks to compare between the RTX 3000 and RTX 5000. Results are below.

Spoiler: 3DMark Fire Strike

Spoiler: 3DMark Port Royal

Spoiler: 3DMark Time Spy

TL;DR: the 80 W power limit completely neuters the potential performance of the RTX 5000. I tried flashing the 110W vBIOS posted by @myshko here, but I was greeted with a black screen on boot-up. Flipping the Switchable Graphics option in the BIOS made no difference.

All in all, an easy upgrade, but not particularly worth it.

 

Black screen with backlit on ? did you let it boot to windows (with drivers installed) ?
On my P4000 and M6700, if I put a wrong vbios (desktop P4000 or even P5000), it boot with a black screen (no backlit) but as soon as windows/drivers initialise the card, it work fine

 

Yep; backlight on. The thing is that the 110 W vBIOS works immediately upon bootup, and I can see the Windows loading circle, but it then goes to a black screen when Windows has loaded.

It works on safe mode, too.

 

it might be a drivers issue then ? If you DDU then install drivers with 110W bios, does it work ?

 

Just tried this. Unfortunately, no dice.

 

1.HP 8770w dreamcolor - possible, works great (I am using this combo)
2.HP 8760w dreamcolor - not possible, tested and not working
3.HP Zbook 17g2 dreamcolor - not possible
4.HP Zbook 17g3 dreamcolor - possible, but has performance limitations, works speed wise like 1060 (unknown why)
5.Dell M6800 - not possible
6.Alienware 17 r1 - possible
7.Alienware M17x r4 - possible, needs dremel work for msi 1070
8.Clevo p870dm-g - possible, my second favorite option after 8770W DC

 

17 G2 can take a RTX 3000.

 

Is this works with Full HD non DC screen?
Anny guide?
What wirk and mods need to be done?
Thanks...

 

Highly doubtfully.
Pascal gpus need eDP panel to work properly, can‘t see a reason why Turing should be different...

 

It could work in Optimus enabled mode.

 

Hi.
I have a clevo p770z
With i7 4790k
And
Gtx 970m
What is the maximum gpu I can put?
Thank you

 

A 980M, or maybe a 980 MXM. But the 980M for sure you can upgrade to.

 

For 980m I would not upgrade it, but I was wandering if I could go to 1070?

 

SHOULD be able to, but if you use the MSI 1070 will need to do some modifications.

Ive only seen a few screenshots from a chinese website that more or less paints the picture that it works. Havent been able to confirm it personally yet.

 

Would it be able to get my own update of AW M17xR5/17R1 with P4000 in OP? Also planning a further expansion with P5200 as soon as I get some disposable income.

 

The ZM series is LVDS internal display only. A 1070 would not be able to drive your internal display.

UPDATE:

Ignore the above. I was thinking of the SM series, just before the ZM.

 

ZM? As in p7x0zm? Mine is 30 pin 2 way eDP.

Unless your referring to another model?

 

Ah you're right, my bad. I was thinking of the SM series. Haswell system like the ZM

 

I find some time to play with the old M17xR2.
The Quadro Card is running better, at the moment.
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/22265468
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/22255722
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/13785926
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/13784321

 

Wow! This is one hell of a GPU’s die quality!
It should be for sure above 75% ASIC.
How much it shows under GPU-Z?

 

Hold on, you're running Maxwell cards on M17XR2? With internal display? And audio? Or with all the issues that come with it?

 

On internal Display, with normal audio. What issues do you mean?
https://imgur.com/a/Y0tigoz

 

Huh. Unless some revelation passed me by, the entire subforum for M17XR2 was claiming that nothing post GTX 680M single/SLI works without colour inversion or audio issues. That the Maxwell+ cards don't work on this machine. What is your full setup?

 

Here's the thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/m17x-r2-most-modern-graphics-cards-supported.808305/

 

Ah, ok. The Colour Problem. Change the Display cabel from 8 bit to 6 bit. That it is.

 

Seriously? That was it? well, then, I intend to try and put my M4000M and see what happens

 

Where do you change it? BIOS, Nvidia settings?

 

Pray tell, how did you get the M5KM working in the M17X R2?

 

@Raidriar have you seen something like this?

 

He is using a M17x R3 panel with a M15x display cable, not the factory rgbled display. That’s why he got it working on internal display. It will never work for rgbled 8 bit display. Give m4000m a try, maybe Quadro support 8 bit panel. You’ll know as soon as the alien head bios logo pops up

 

I told you that´s the easy way to get it work. And i also told you i have a full moded rgbled Panel, not an M17r3 Panel.
https://imgur.com/a/4TujqoI

 

Regardless it’s not possible on a factory M17x R2, it needs extensive mods to work, unless M5000M works with 8 bit RGBLED display?

 

it works, after long try end error.
You are Right, i find no way to get the stock 8 bit Panel work with maxwell.

 

With rgbled panel? Can you write a guide to the mod?

 

Absolutely, please do! This is one of the greatest news about the M17XR2 upgrades and possibilities, if it is possible to make it run with 1920x1200 RGB-LED and even 970M in SLI it's an incredible achievement! If you would be so kind to share your knowledge

 

SLI does not work not even for 680M, not officially unless there is another tool @Baddemichl is using to enable SLI

 

SLI is possible, but makes no sence.
The board can´t handle the power for two Cards.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/13786529

 

I use a dell XPS Panel.

 

A vBIOS problem for sure. I have 2 x 8970M which is easily 100W per card and I score p11000+ on my M17x R2. I do not overclock my CPU.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/13741875

Part number?

 

Ok, vbios can be a Problem, but 75W per Slot is not so much.
Can you sent a link to your benchmark, please.

 

Crossfire 8970M:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/13741875

Total PSU draw was ~240W with no overclock on CPU, measure with kill a watt

 

Ok, but a single Card is not far away.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/13785926

Do you have a firestrike or timespy benchmark?

 

Yes but my point was it’s not power draw that is the problem, the VBIOS is making artificial throttle. 8970M does not throttle because vBIOS does not care. Maybe @Prema can help you with this.

reference single 8970M score:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/13746543


First gen i7 is a tired chip

 

if it's a regular eDP output you can put any screen you want, usually RGDLED need an adapter 40 pins ("eDP" cable) to 50 pins (screen), that's how it work on precision laptop, however there is also a "3D cable" which is a fully working out of the box eDP cable for 40pins eDP screen.
I think in your case the worst case scenario would be to rewire the eDP cable in order to be compatible with pinout of regular 40 pins eDP.

 

Not edp, 40 pin LVDS. Machine is from 2009-2010

 

There is an eDP output on the M17X R2, you can't drive a billion color with "high resolution" display using LVDS only, look at the schematics :
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpost.php?p=861437&postcount=11
Some came with it soldered on the board and some other don't (I don't know more about this one), if it's not already soldered on the board you only need to solder some passive component and the connector, then it should works. Worst case scenerio would be that this screen is recognized as an external one or the LVDS output would be still active then the bios might not display on the eDP display at first.

Even the M15x R1 seems to have an eDP output by looking at the schematic preview here :
http://laptop-schematics.com/view/8793/
(can't find a "free" schematic for this board)

 

So it's basically the same story as the quest for m15x with eDP?