The Mighty Clevo P870DM-G "Phoenix" Gets an 8700K and GTX 1080 Upgrade

I think some of the "mods" out there are cross-flashed firmware from other laptop models. Kind of sloppy way to do things, but I guess if a PremaMod isn't available a guy has to do what a guy has to do to get the job done.

 

The other bios is what I'm using right now and it runs great, no problems noticed till this day. Just did the pin mod required and flashed the bios made by @dsanke and everything was good to go!

 

I think I am going to sell mine. I no longer have any need for a laptop and I can use the money to upgrade desktop parts.

 

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Still amazed at the upgrade

 

@Mr. Fox I'm going to be patiently waiting for an rtx 2080 mxm to come out (hopefully a normal sized mxm one at least lol), it might be many months away from release and I'm not that hopeful considering nobody is following mxm standards these days. Only some new quadros remain full mxm specification wise.

Good luck with selling that beast of a machine though!

 

Don’t hold your breath. All you/we will see is a castrated Nvidia next gen 1180 Mobile. Or better say next step in Max-Q design? http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ounge-phoenix-4.809589/page-222#post-10782800

 

Wow nvidia really screwed us over on that one. I might aswell stick to my gtx 1070 sli config for now. Its not going to slow down anytime soon even at 4k!

Are they seriously going back to the 'm' stage of things, the mxm GPU that's coming out will be NO WHERE NEAR the performance of an actual rtx 2080 then.

 

Congratulations, bro.

 

Yeah, for now it's not terrible. But, say buh-bye to the future of high performance notebooks. We're still in a pretty decent place for the time being with the P870 family, but the future is looking more grim every year that passes. I predict we ain't seen nothin' yet in terms of garbage.

 

http://hwbot.org/submission/3964019_papusan_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_8700k_18.81_points

 

Hey now, wait a minute. @Danishblunt says you "can't do that" with a laptop.

Your score is surrounded by scores submitted from desktops as well.

 

Yeah, as you know some prefer TRASH! On top he advice/recommend all to buy it

This is the so called high end from same gen middle 2015

 

To be far, you only had the capability to upgrade the laptop back in 2015, and therefore should test with 2015 hardware. Either way, it still gets beat so I could care less

 

99% of the laptop is still from 2015. 6700K→7700K and now 8700K for the old lady. It doesn't matter. The Jokebooks soldered Intel hardware would be trashed whatever I put into the Clevo P870. Stock or oc'd doesn't matter.

 

That is pretty darned sad. Even my old 4800MQ (released in 2013) CPU in the HP ZBook beats that sissy-girl 3.1GHz "netbook" CPU.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3937717_mr._fox_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_4800mq_8.42_points

 

I define run by that you can run the CPU stable and not rerun a test over and over again until you have luck that it will not crash for 30 seconds. Obviously your definition is very different, you consider anything that can pass cinebench "run", which I would consider a joke.

 

No, our definitions are identical. The difference is, I know what can be done because I, @Papusan, @Johnksss and others have done it literally thousands of times with laptops and you have not. You just keep saying over and over that it cannot be done and demonstrating that you have no idea what you are talking about.

We agree that laptops are garbage, quality control is pathetic and they all need to be engineered better and made a whole a hell of a lot better overall than they are. I refuse to buy another one for the same reasons. I am not going to spend thousands of dollars on junkbooks any more. However, in spite of their issues and the amount of effort it takes to fix their cancerous firmware and get their thermals under control, the Clevo P870's that you ridicule constantly are infinitely better than you give them credit for being. This is in total oblivion to the thousands of posts in this forum, HWBOT and Overclock.net that prove you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in terms of their capabilities in the right hands. Until they reach their functional limits, their CPUs do run exactly the same as the same CPU runs in a desktop, and the benchmark scores are irrefutable and those results are repeatable.

 

Alright, Crysis 3, Witcher 3 novigrad, Assassins Creed Origins, Ashes of the Benchmark or similair gameplay record for 15minutes 5.3ghz on your "infinitely better P870 notebook".

Your chance to prove me wrong. And I am pretty sure I won't get anything.

 

@Mr. Fox do you think the clevo vrms would handle an overclocked i9 9900k. I'm going to use the clevo p870tm heatsink for cooling.
I know this laptop was made for quad core processors only and it running an i9 would be insane let alone overclock it.

@bennyg I'm sure you'd know

 

No... time to end the silly show. No need for anyone to do anything unless or until you can:

1. Stop changing the subject with nonsense about games, as you always do. Understand what posts you are responding to. Cinebench, wPrime, 3DMark benchmarks, etc. These are not games and they are used by professionals and enthusiasts all over the world to produce measurable, repeatable results. There are already literally thousands of examples posted showing the performance capabilities of each generation of P870. Examples posted by me, @Papusan, @Johnksss, @bloodhawk, @ssj92, @GTVEVO @TBoneSan and a bunch of other people I will later wish I had mentioned.
2. Produce verifiable examples of CPU benchmarks with a BGA turdbook to prove the P870 isn't the most powerful and capable laptop money can buy.

On top of that...

1. We've already discussed Novigrad and I am not going to spend any more time trying to figure it out on a title I hate playing (Witcher 3) because it bores me to tears. I don't own the other two games.
2. It doesn't have to be 5.3GHz. You keep saying that they cannot be overclocked without qualifying your erroneous statements. Your comments are broad and misleading. 4.7, 4.8, 4.9, 5.0, 5.1 are all overclocks, and all of those clock speeds exceed what most desktop owners know how to do. And, there are already examples of that posted.
3. I won't be doing anything because I have abandoned high performance laptops for the reasons you are already aware of, but seem to have forgotten. I no longer own one and have no plans to purchase another one... ever... no matter the brand or specs. The reasons are things you and I agree on (laptops are trash), but I know what these Clevos are capable of, have owned a whole bunch of them, and I give credit where credit is due. I don't make hundreds of misleading posts to try to discourage people from buying them by making them sound worse than they actually are.

FACTS: The Clevo P870 runs circles around all other laptops and is a well made product compared to most of the alternatives. It leaves a lot to be desired and has many shortcomings, as do 100% of the laptops on the market. It is capable of doing more than any other laptop, and easily outperforms ALL other laptops. The evidence of that is voluminous and irrefutable.

 

Hi bro. I have no idea and neither does anyone else because it doesn't exist and we won't know anything unless or until it does. If and when it does materialize, it's probably going to run crazy hot and be a real challenge to cool if you don't own a portable AC unit to set it on top of for benching. I don't think "upgrading" to 9900K is going to be a realistic endeavor on a current generation system and I think a redesign is in order to support it properly and not have a thermal mess to deal with.

But, you need to define "overclock" first. Anything higher than stock is an overclock, even if it is only 100MHz. It won't be able to overclock as easily as a well-made desktop motherboard, or as far as one, but I think it would be reasonable to expect that it will overclock. How far remains to be seen, and will vary based on the bin quality of each CPU. That part is exactly the same no matter what the CPU is installed in. A poor binned sample will totally suck in a desktop or a Clevo DTR. There are crappy desktop motherboards, and desktops with lousy cooling, and it will match or beat those examples as they always have in years past.

 

I just realised it's 8 phase, clevo really went all out just for skylake. Because of that crazy decision even an i9 would run perfectly fine on this laptop!

It's always better to have less 'amazing' mofsets than more 'average' ones. Evidence can be shown where a tornado f5 has way more mofsets but cannot overclock a processor anywhere near this clevo if power is an issue...

I'm gonna be keeping this laptop for a long time, clevo made one amazing laptop.

If you want to be technical the phases are probably split like so 7+1 the one being for the memory power I'm guessing. @bennyg correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Yes, it is amazing in so many ways. Every P870 I have ever owned has been the best laptop ever made. And, I've owned a whole bunch of them over the years (since the time I moved from desktops to laptops, around 2006... until now... moved back to desktops) and it was the most satisfying I have ever owned. I am probably never going to buy another one again (or any other high performance laptop for that matter) but I agree with you.

That said, it's sad that they haven't tried harder and done a better job of engineering the cooling systems on them. I think they could be better than they have been. This is an area of opportunity for Clevo, and it has been for as long as I can remember. I've never owned a Clevo that had what I would consider an excellent cooling system. But, I've always benched them on cold air and it has never been a massive problem. Had I not owned a portable AC unit, it would have been a problem overclocking the crap out of any of the laptops I have owned. Nobody builds them well enough for that with stock cooling, and I don't think they could build them well enough for that given the constraints of form factor.

 

But you see, whatever flaws the laptops has can be fixed with a few mods. This can't be said about any other laptops, this laptop is literally mod friendly at this point lol.
Modding is what I enjoy about this community because people aren't willing to sacrifice performance because of some small cooling issue. Hence why I'm modding in a P870TM heatsink. This is my hobby as well as my job (until I finish university anyway).

 

I'd be curious to know if you get that P870TM Heatsink working in the DM I was considering doing the same thing not to long ago

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Yeah, we can talk about Garbage. Here is results from @Danishblunt's favorit laptop. Msi Jokebook Gt75 oc'd to 4.9GHz. Can you see if there is something wrong with the score(s)?

 

It will work, most likely I will need to put a copper plate underneath the cpu heatsink so it makes direct contact with the ihs on the cpu. Also I due to there being two heatsink shrouds one will need to be shaved off so that the heatsink can fit. Props to @God601 for letting me know on the details of the mod.

It's a big upgrade too, from 2 and a half heatpipes to a whopping 4 full fat heatpipes!

 

Has @God601 completed the mod already? Is there a forum showing images of the completed mod or a step by step guide so I can have an idea

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Do you mind asking you.. why 5.4Ghz number specifically? is it really a holly number? or this is some kind of your lucky number? Just asking...

 

Instead of shimming it, shave down the threaded stand-offs that the heat sink screws attach to. That is how @Prema made it work on his DM3. A shim will hinder the thermal management and will only be beneficial as a last resort when contact is a problem and cannot be improved another way.

 

He only showed me one picture of the heatsink which I will show below:

 

We need more pictures and all information related to this mod, Many are interested about it.

 

I've ordered the heatsink, it should arrive in time along with my friends i9, which is on Wednesday this week.
I will be showing the mod.

 

Good luck my friend, hope it will be a successful mod.

 

Will you be making a thread about the mod?

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Suggest some other automated benchmark testing. Running through novigrad on a horse just for giggles isn't fun.

 

If its any help, my Clevo D901C has a far worse VRM than the P870, yet it runs the 130W Core 2 Extreme QX6850 with no issues, and its been working for over 10 years now..

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-1639#post-10793399

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-lake-cpus-z390.811225/page-77#post-10811967

^^^ info straight from the source

I agree that temps will be the problem before anything else. After all it's a better 4 phase than the mobo that throttled LTT's 9900K. Maintaining all core turbo of 4.7 with an undervolt for daily use should be doable on the TM CPU heatsink.

 

44x vs. the flawed 49x overclock in the MSI Gt75 Jokebook

 

Did he tell you why is the little radiator so badly mangled? That cannot help the temps. Although it might not hurt them a lot, and I don't see how that is going to be a very effective radiator due to how small it is and how it is mounted.

If my understanding is correct, one only needs to use a rotary tool to carve away a spot on the motherboard frame to provide clearance for it. But, I think that was on a DM3 motherboard frame. It might be a very different using that on a DM-G, but without having them side-by-side for comparison it is hard to say.

 

Please run a meaningful stress test, like a 24 hour run of Prime95 (Stability) or play a few hours of games

 

Why? Running Prime95 for 24 hours is pointless and potentially harmful. I don't ever do silly things like that to my CPU (or GPU). All it does is potentially shorten the lifespan of the components and it has the potential to induce a catastrophic failure under the worst of circumstances. And, it is not representative of real-world workloads. To me that is a lot like throwing a cinder block on the accelerator pedal of your car while it is parked in the driveway, then calling it a piece of garbage when you find the crankshaft laying in the driveway when you get up the next morning, LOL. If you want something to last until you get tired of it, sell it, and replace it with something better, it needs to be treated better than that.

If it passes all the benchmarks you want to throw at it without a thermal shutdown or BSOD, then you're good to go. Cinebench, wPrime and 3DMark benchmarks are meaningful stress tests and they are the defacto standards of the industry. And, you can actually get something (a score) from running them. Extended torture with things like Prime95 and Furmark get you nothing except potentially damaged goods.

 

Ive had benchmarks that would pass back in the 1366 days that would then fail under gaming loads. That was annoying for me in my early days of overclocking at the time.

 

I think a lot of the time that is due to an unstable OS and/or crappy software development and not hardware. Games have complexities that can manifest in instabilities that are induced by drive read/write errors, OS corruption, buggy Windows Updates. buggy drivers, and a host of other things that may have nothing to do with CPU, GPU and RAM hardware stability. A whole bunch of stuff has to play nice together for a long time. C++, .Net, DX, etc. If any one of those things is buggered, it's going to cramp your gaming style. And, that can happen running perfect hardware stock. It can also happen from unstable hardware, but I think sometimes hardware gets blamed in error.

If you do a lot of overclocking, like some of us do, that can also tear up the OS and cause file corruption. Especially when you are looking for the ragged edge of stability while chasing numbers. Then, when you decide to play a game it doesn't work like it used to. That's where having clean drive images with everything set up and ready to roll can come in handy. Like new in a few minutes with Macrium Reflect.

 

Nah back then the FSB played more of a role. I had a w3520 that could hit 4.5Ghz, bought used off of OCN but I didnt alter the memory specs to coincide with that. It was more of a rookie mistake that I wouldnt figure out until much later.

 

I've made that same mistake... used to be a normal part of life before I started using unlocked mobile Extreme CPUs. I used to use BCLK for overclocking and that really doesn't play nice with games. Man, I do still remember all of those hard lockups with the loud buzzing, screeching and DRRRRRR noises when the BCLK was cranked up to overclock the CPU. My wife used to get wound up like an 8-day clock when that happened and hated it even more than I did. She found it to be very unsettling. And, it was frequent.

 

What is more meaningful than showing all how flawed some products is? Wrong Bench numbers can fast show if something is wrong. I have done bench tests with ssd’s as well. People try same test afterwards and then they saw something was completely wrong. O’well

 

Well, you need to raise your ambient temps artificially to 25-30C and run at 44x and it still beats Apple rMbp with 8950HK with 4TB SSD and 16/32GB RAM with flying colors.

 

Some bad news guys the seller cancelled my heatsink order said its 'out of stock' which is bull**** just because I got it through a taobao agent the seller wants more money from me. I honestly don't care if the i9 overheats in the laptop with the original heatsink I just need to know if it works at the end of the day, hell I might even delid it and apply metal paste directly on the die after cleaning the indium IF my friend doesn't mind lol.

Plus I have a metal delid tool so I could just use my hot air gun and point it on the ihs at around 300c that should melt the solder and I should be able to take the ihs clean off using the tool.

Apparantly due to the thickness of the die and thickness of the adhesive the solder is having an adverse affect on the chip, INTEL HOW THE F*** DID YOU SCREW THIS UP, USELESS.