The Mighty Clevo P870DM-G "Phoenix" Gets an 8700K and GTX 1080 Upgrade

You must delid it anyway, I did that from day one, it will work with the current heatsink but don't bush it to the maximum, undervolt it and keep it cool as much as you can. You can find the heatsink in many other resellers.

 

Try to buy the heatsink from rjtech

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Keep fighting the good fight, bro. It is making a difference. We need to fan the embers if we ever expect to have a raging inferno. There will be some collateral damage, but we can't burn any calories caring about inconvenient distractions. Planting seeds of hate for BGA turdbook filth is God's work.

 

I'm using laptops almost for 3 decades now, and I can say that the Clevo P870xx-G models "In The Right Hands" is the most powerful and efficient laptops ever made up to today. It's not perfect but still all my respect to the technologies and design behind it. Even after we saw the 6/8 cores working with this models; the P570WM is no more the legendary one, but the P870xx-G is the one now.

 

Well said!! I have no doubt what I will be choosing for a laptop to replace my jokebook. I need to remember that this is still a laptop, complete with all the handcuffs and chains I will have to accept in this S&M relationship. Just looking forward to wearing the leather in my future relationship with my desktop.

 

I like to consider the P570WM as the legendary model only because it fits a HEDT CPU in a laptop. It worked with 12-core CPUs (Xeon) and had a 8-core unlocked (Xeon) support as well. I was lucky enough to own one with a 10-core Xeon.

As far as I know it's still the only laptop that ran up to 12-core HEDT CPUs.

I know the upcoming 9900K in a P870 chassis will perform better due to IPC /OC but I still wish Clevo made a HEDT based laptop.

 

With Threadripper 150W TDP chips, it may be possible. I severely doubt the demand is there, I would love one however

 

Well guys the processor is here at my workplace! HOPEFULLY, a few more hours till testing.

 

Congratulations, waiting for your update, take you time, step by step, take care when you delid the CPU and when you applying LM, and I'm sure that we will have a good news .

 

But that would only work with some Prema-Blessing, right? What I mean is, that would require another special Prema-Bios to get this working? Are Hardmods required as well?

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There are other bios modders out there that provide FREE bioses such as @dsanke he has really helped me a lot with these mods. Without his bioses I wouldn't have got far.

 

The IHS is soldered.

 

He should test it with and without delidded. I want to see the temp differences. As well power consumption differences.

Can be delidded easly for lower temps.

 

Got some bad news:

The clevo remains on a black screen with the i9 when powered on.

Nothing changes it from displaying a black screen, changed the ram took out the ssd etc even changed the GPU! A bios mod is needed.

So the i9 does NOT work in the p870dmg at the moment but what I talk about later may mean that it is possible for it to work.

I thought that if the i9 doesn't work in the clevo surely it doesn't work in the tornado f5, WRONG!

The msi logo lit up instantly! But the laptop freezes on the logo and doesn't do anything else, tried changing the ram taking out the ssd tried removing the pin mod. Still the same issue...

Conclusion:

The i9 will work with some bios tweaks because if it is displaying on my tornado f5 there is no reason it shouldn't display and work on both my clevo and eurocom laptops.

I do not have the i9 anymore, it is in my friend's system so that was that. Also this processor gets very hot very very quickly I don't think oem heatsinks in both these laptops will cool this beast once it gets working.

 

Yep some people here prefer jokebooks!
5.1 ghz on 7820HK @ 1.27v. Need to see those cinebench scores

 

From a Prema BIOS viewpoint, apparently the 'P[7|8]xxxDMx' didn't look like it could handle it anyway, but P[7|8]xxxTMx is a different story:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.809621/page-159#post-10795651 <<-- open the spoiler

https://twitter.com/PremaMod/status/1027170503562330113

 

I still don't understand how it works in the tornado f5, I always thought the power delivery on the clevo was superior compared to the eurocom machine. Its definately a bios issue and honestly, I'm not to bothered as I was going to run a 8700k in my clevo anyway. There really is no need for a 9900k in a laptop when it can't be adequately cooled.

My friend has a 360mm nzxt rad with METAL PASTE on the 9900k at 4.8ghz and on prime95 it reaches 92c in about 10 seconds.

So, if a 360mm rad can't cool an i9 what the hell is going to cool it.

 

direct die cooling. water cooling with ciller.

also tornado f5 is not a eurocom machine, it is MSI.

 

Well MSI did a good job with the laptop, I just wish it didn't have fan issues, I've ordered two asus delta fans for it. The keyboard and sound quality of this laptop is amazing tbh.

 

u know i was hoping that F7 would be a design of its own, not just a mobo change but also chassis and can house two GPUs. was hoping it to be more similar to that of gt83vr but with better cooling. we can only dream..

 

Unfortunately its literally just a bigger version of the tornado f5, the motherboard schematic is basically taken from a p770dm lol.

 

Although the BIOS boot logo shows, it is not actually working if it freezes. And, even if it does work with a BIOS mod, it might not be smart to do it for reasons @Prema pointed out in the post linked by Brother @jclausius above. Having a 9900K in a system that is going to not function at full performance and go thermonuclear on the temps is pointless. Kind of like putting 980M/980M SLI in an Alienware M18xR2 or Alienware 18 and have it deliver only a portion of the performance that everyone else with 980M enjoyed with systems that were built for it.

I don't know how you would ever get it cool enough to use in a Tornado F5, since 7700K already ran way too hot for it. And, I am fairly sure that there is no way the DM-G, DM3 or KM1 CPU heat sink is going to do a nice job of cooling it.

 

You are a sly one @Mr. Fox. (In regards to your post/quote...) Seconded!

 

If I get an i9 and thats a big IF I will go through lengths to get it to work in the p870dm-g, I'll delid and clean off the indium with a razor put metal paste on it and find a way to apply a future modded p870tm1 heatsink directly to the bare die. That will just about keep temps under control on stock and undervolted.

You are right, no clevo heatsink no matter how many heatpipes it has will be able to cool this beast of a cpu over long periods of time.

 

Based on the information I have seen, (some reliable, some maybe not very reliable,) even a big desktop tower type air cooler with dual 120MM fans is going to struggle with cooling 9900K. It needs water, a big radiator and cool ambient temps, or chilled water, from the way things are looking. I'm sure we will find out more as a few good people in places like NBR, Overclock.net and HWBOT get their hands on it and we don't have to rely only on YouTube videos for information. (While there is always lots of useful information in them, I have found my experience to be different than a lot of what I see presented in YouTube videos and I often draw a different conclusion than what I was presented with.)

 

not really, isnt wt75 more similar to gt75vr? ive seen the picture and they resembled that and gt73vr

 

Not even close.
GT75 Titan (not GT75VR, although GT75VR isn't as stupid as one heatpipe from the GPU VRM isn't removed here) has the following absurd configuration:

CPU: 3 heatpipes. Exact same heatplate used ever since GT80s (maybe even GT72s). Main radiator, and ONE HEATPIPE CUT OFF THE GPU VRM RADIATOR and GPU radiator chopped in half, to have a bastardized HALF radiator shared with the CPU, via an extended middle heatpipe that extends from the main heatpipe. While this will cool a 6 core CPU better than the pure 3 heat pipe, 1 rad setup in the GT75VR, this is absurd because the GPU VRM and CPU will just puke heat on each other even more than before, as they are on physical contact. Before the GPU VRM radiator was standalone, but was very close to the CPU rad, so it would still puke heat over there, but not DIRECTLY touch it.

The Tornado F7 (not released) and WT75 have FIVE dedicated heatpipes to the CPU and a new heatplate, with TWO full sized radiators dedicated to CPU cooling, while the GPU and GPU VRM are now cooled by 1 radiator each (in GT73VR and GT75VR And GT75 Titan, single card configurations had the GPU cooled by two full sized radiators, and the VRM's cooled by a radiator going to the CPU fan, with the bastardization for the GT75 added).

@Papusan @Mr. Fox @win32asmguy

GT75 Abortionbook:



WT75 / F7 barebones:

 

*Edit* For comparison, GT75VR And GT73VR
@ole!!!








From GT73VR And GT75VR
1) GPU main heatsink
2) CPU heatsink (back)
3) GPU VRM heatsink.

Compare this with the GT75 vomit book.

 

yea i get that, the extra copper will increase capacity nicely, dissipation also increased because its both side of 1 fan now. what i was saying was that it wasnt a whole brand new design which it should have been. 8 cores is crazy and as big and nice as that heatsink is, 200w imo is too much for it, i dont want my cpu running at 80c constantly. theres really something messed up about 9900k seems to use so much more power with the extra threads, unoptimized pos.

also, that first heatsink is for gt75/73vr and not wt75? if so, if i ever do get F7 i will want gt75/73vr cpu heatsink inside of my wt75.

 

I'm not impressed by the CPU temperatures in WT75... http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-wt75-owners-lounge.823070/page-4#post-10808184

 

90c won't be an issue I used to run my 3570k up to 93c all the time @5.1ghz. Intel cpu's can withstand quite a bit of heat without throttling.

 

Wow, I guess not. That's pretty warm considering the CPU and low clock speed. That machine probably would not do well with 9900K if that is about what one can expect to see with an 8700 (non-K) processor. Would be interesting to see if a delid and liquid metal would give it enough improvement. If it has not been delidded with liquid metal TIM, one should definitely look into that.

It will not kill an Intel CPU, but that's still about 15-20°C hotter than ideal. Running 90°C will impair performance to some degree, increase the amount of voltage needed and limit overclocking capacity.

 

Since the topic has veered a bit I was hoping I could pick your guys brains a bit if you dont mind?

I am thinking of ideas to enhance the cooling on my Ranger, its in pieces right now from when the motherboard died and since it is in pieces when I rebuild it I would like to overhaul the cooling in the process. Much easier to do when its in pieces after all, I just gained employment and my costs are nill currently. Its the best time to do this before I move on to the next stage of my life.

I noticed from @Falkentyne that certain heatpipes are aligned in the center of the heat exchanger. I am guessing this is more efficient due to heat emitting on both sides of the pipe right?

I plan to use thermal adhesive to attach a 1U copper CPU heatsink on top of the heatpipes of the Rangers heatsink. Its about 11.5mm in height, but I figure it would help with the VRMs and would actually play a greater role with a cooling pad.

Is my line of thought on point or am I missing some details?

 

Run it +86C with high overclock and the chips risk being flaky/unstable. Have been like this since Skylake. Not same attitude if you run the chips with low overclock or stock clocks.

 

OK I did not know about that, I thought Intel cpu's actually became unstable after the shut off temp as those can be overided too.
I have personally never had a cpu die from extreme heat, might be my luck.

 

I don't talk about cpu die due extreme heat. And there is a difference between high overclock vs. stock/low overclock (flaky above +86C).

 

You do realise the turbo clock of a 3570k is up to 3.8ghz max so 5.1ghz is extreme for the chip. I understand there is a difference but surely my cpu should have died then right?

 

5.1GHz on an Ivy Bridge chip is like a top 0.1% result for normal cooling and voltage, that's pretty crazy.

 

Thank you and that was on an average motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V-LX2

 

I should've asked you to buy me a lottery ticket this week when the Mega Millions jackpot was over $1.5 billion.

 

Read....

 

That should help. Use Arctic Silver thermal epoxy or some low melting point solder paste. (The latter would be better, but there is more work involved in that process for it to turn out right.) You will still encounter saturation, but it may prolong the time it takes to level off at the peak temperature. If you can fashion a fan to blow air across the copper heat sink that would likely help a fair amount more and largely eliminate the heat saturation issue.

 

That does make sense, nice article.

 

Ill have to look into the low melting point solder. Also the point on fashioning a fan, this whole scenario is meant for use with the modded CoolerMaster U3. While cooling pads are most of the time useless besides allowing more airflow (and sometimes not even that pending the product) no laptop is actually designed with cooling pads in mind. Its understandable I suppose, I can set a profile for when I am away from the cooling pad and a profile for when I am using one.

Im going to cut off the whole grill from the Ranger and replace it with a 360mm water cooling mounting bracket linked here:

https://modmymods.com/aquacomputer-...system-360-brushed-stainless-steel-33513.html

It will give me about 5-6mm more clearance and less resistance from the grill.

A couple of products I was looking at for attaching atop the heatpipes are these...

https://www.amazon.com/Dynatron-A48..._rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=009WFGVTW5ANS7ZP73F9

https://www.amazon.com/HP-LeftHand-...=1538861299&sr=1-410&keywords=Copper+heatsink

Sorry about the long links, amazon isnt always nice on that front.

I plan to extend the idea to the GPU side as well.

My ultimate goal here is to hit 4.5+Ghz daily clock with the 4930mx. I used to mod desktops a lot back in my OCN tenure and I admit that I miss modding. So here is a chance to take it up again with my Ranger.

Curious about one thing though, should I be looking for an aluminum based solution to prevent potential heat soak or is that over thinking the solution considering the laptop will in all likely hood spend the rest of its lifespan on a modded coolermaster U3

thanks again for letting me pick your brain Mr. Fox, Ranger is going to be my last laptop in all likelihood but that doesnt mean I have to accept its current known limitations.

 

I would go for aluminum based solution + the U3. The most important is to remove the heat as fast as possible.

 

I think those would work well, especially the one with the integrated fan. You can probably find a power source somewhere on the motherboard for it, or even tap into the AC adapter jack for the power source. If you decide to use low temperature solder paste, clamp everything together (I use c-clamps) so the heat pipes do not come loose where they are soldered from the factory. Use an oven only a few degrees higher than the solder paste melting point and let it heat up slowly. After the solder has fully flowed, shut off the oven, open the door and let it cool off naturally.

 

Yeah I was thinking that might be the case. trouble will be locating materials that I can mod into place. The search continues!

The fan included in that listing wouldnt be used at all. Mainly because my goal is to extend the additional copper to be in-line with the height of the mounting bracket. The feet of the bottom of the laptop would extend just 1 to 2mm past the bracket. I am mounting the bracket atop the bottom lid. The goal towards that scenario is to limit hot air entering the fans still within the laptop and then being used again in the stock heat exchangers.

As you may know from water cooling or just periphery knowledge of modding over the years, re-using hot air is bad form for the cooling ecosystem.

In simple terms if you were to think of the Rangers bottom lid where the grill is, I want to replace the majority of the center grill area with the slimmest copper plate and fins that extend to be flush with the 360mm bracket.


I'll know more when I start gathering parts. Its going to be difficult seeing if I can get a modded heat exchanger for the cpu heatsink. cicichen does fine work but its based on templates, Im hoping enough coin will fund the R&D portion to make a product he can sell me and maybe others.

 

well we don't know his cpu config, is it delided + LM for his 8700? also its a non-k by default already a lower binned cpu. @win32asmguy share some more info?

you crazy! i wouldnt dare to go over 85c, even if it's peak temp that only lasts fraction of a second. when my cpu goes over 80 i get edgy. well when benching is a different story and i do go over it but thats it.

i was gonna say if you dont have anymore plans to open it up, use the dead mobo as base to hold the cpu and solder the heatsink onto it LOL

 

@ole!!! The 8700 is not delidded. I could delid but would rather just keep it as a backup in case I need to RMA the WT75.

 

Once you take apart he laptop a few times its rather easy to do as you may know lol. I can do mock ups later when I have an income to start the trial and error. Sadly the first step is seeing to this modified heatsink. The current modified heatsink is more or less the same as the stock but all copper. The problem I need to have remedied is to maintain the number of heatpipes however I need them to not be stacked. Here is what I have linked here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/All-Copper...=item3d40af11c8:g:jSAAAOSw8HBZMWj2:rk:18:pf:0

I still want to have 4 heatpipes, but spread evenly across the copper plate therefore reducing the height around the copper plate by about 3mm or so and increasing the height of the additional heatsink I plan to mount atop of it which would increase its usefulness.

The last big question I have for you guys is this.

I plan to do the same for the GPU side, now with all that in mind, do you guys think it would be better to join multiple plates together thereby joining the potential mass to hold the heat to then be displaced with a fan, or should I leave them separate? I plan to use the MSI 1070 with this machine and pushing it to the max that I can, lets say 150w assuming of course the Ranger will work at that TDP level.