The Mighty Clevo P870DM-G "Phoenix" Gets an 8700K and GTX 1080 Upgrade

I saw some news talking about water cooling vapor chamber for the P870DM3/KM/TM models, did you do any research about it?

 

Yeah I remember seeing that, sadly no one has done that for the Ranger. I lack the means and knowledge to manufacture something like that for my laptop.

 

You can still buy it from taobao AFAIK, it's an aftermarket not an official Clevo part.

 

Some senior members told me that we will see those water cooling VC officially soon, I don't know if something changed.

 

I would keep them separated. Unified heat sink design has never been ideal. It sometimes seems like a great ideal, but it generally never works out that way in application.

 

so ultimately 80c with no delid at 4.3ghz on a 8700 on default fan, that aint bad. with a 8086k, binned with delid + LM it should be able to do that temperature at a much higher frequency, i'd say 4.8-4.9 no problem.

that heatsink looks bigger than p870tm's cpu heatsink so it should make sense it cools better.

afaik those extra pipe being ontop of original pipes only really adds to capacity, which is good for burst loads but of course more capacity of similar dissipation would mean it takes longer to go back to cooler temp.

prema mentioned that it was coming like half a year ago, was there any update after that? the internal full loop type + pump.

 

What you posted pics of was the multi-piece milled copper (no vapour chamber) Chinese version that Prema ragged on in April (iirc?)

The little he did say (that something fully internal, and of higher quality, was coming) was alongside a mention that even just saying that was breaching NDA ... so that's probably why there's been no news.

 

so i guess it'll be with this new revision of clevo with i9. if it doesnt come with this, then it's probably never coming and means clevo bailed. its the hottest machine so it kinda have to have it, intels got nothing left until 2020 for 10nm and we'll just get refreshes for next 1.5 years.

 

Micro Center did get a shipment of 8086k's in this morning, but I was planning on just waiting on the 9900k. Eurocom added the 9900k to the F7W config so I am guessing it should work once I get the 9th gen microcode installed in my bios.

I believe each individual pipe on the P870TM heatsink may be larger, but given that the WT75 has 5 instead of 4, and two large radiator blocks on the side and back, it should do just as good if not a little better. It should be better than what the P775TM CPU heatsink which is closer to the WT75 size and weight. I think the other people @Falkentyne posted a while back was actually the GT73 GPU core heatsink. MSI has not made a 6-pipe CPU cooler (BGA or LGA) as far as I know.

 

more pipes are useless unless there some sort of vc to expand the heat quickly to that area in contact with heat pipes. issue with copper plate to just IHS, heat isnt really transfered all that evenly so you could have your center heat pipe be like 10-20c above the other heat pipes. 5 looks good, 6 would probably take excessive heat too and act as additional capacity but anymore would be pointless without a vc.

 

Finally, the 9th gen bios mod for clevo laptops is up!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...dm-x-km-n95xkp6-laptops.825558/#post-10813064

 

Remember when the 7970m came out, one of the best laptop mxm cards of the generation. I had mine running at 110c lol for the two years I had it.

I sold it afterwards with it having no issues with artifacting etc.

The msi gt780dxr had horrendous cooling too

 

http://hwbot.org/submission/3973362_papusan_superpi___1m_core_i7_8700k_6sec_904ms

 

You plan to upgrade the GPU to the 1080 or are you like Mr. Fox and enjoy benchmarking more than gaming?

 

Correct, I'm not a gamer.

My saved up money will go to next Clevo LGA book with Turing graphics or homebuild desktop. Too late for a GPU upgrade now. I want to see what's coming.




Tested with i7-8750H clock speed (39x).


FYI. Its about i9-8950Hk

 

Turing, is that the designation for 20XX cards? If so its kind of a waste.

Shame you're not a gamer lol, but there are plenty of other ways to kill time in the world. Benchmarking is certainly one way to do it...

 

well it kinda make sense.. trying to run a game in 4k with 1080 while cpu is only at 10w.. definitely no bottleneck there. guess it must be graphics card, upgrade to 2080

but you CAN'T cause its BGA GPU, just brilliant

 

No bottleneck, but a game benchmark is something more tangible when it comes to performance.

 

10w cpu trying to run a gtx 1080 with no bottleneck? nawww. unless 1080 is gimped i dont see it

 

At 10w you are definitely getting a bottleneck, although it won't be visible in some games. It just depends on what resources the game relies on more: GPU or CPU. My 6700k in my clevo P870dm-g used to clock to 800mhz when it throttled (no delid at that time and crap thermal paste job) and it ran ac origins fine, rise of the tomb raider fine and believe it or not watch dogs 2 fine too, thats all with a gtx 1070!

Although fps went from 100 + to barely 60 fps, sometimes even dropping to 30fps when there was a lot on screen. I'm glad I found this community. Otherwise I wouldn't have unlocked the potential of my laptop lol.

 

i understand about dependence on the software and different people's standard. it'll be kinda pointless to run a game at 30 fps say at 1080p with gtx 1080 and a 6 core cpu or even 4 core cpu at 10w unless one wants to save power.

10w cpu has like, no power at all lol i only do that when im on battery and watching movies for like 5-6 hrs

 

True, I absolutely hated it too be fair. But I was also surprised by how powerful the processor could be at 800mhz. I expected games to crash at that speed but apparently not. Maybe cache ratio didn't clock down to 800mhz?

Anyway with every iteration of intels cpus the battery life gets better. Skylake vs coffee lake, battery life wise the 8700k in my clevo lasts a whole 1 hour and 30 minutes more than the skylake could. Power consumption has been significantly improved. That can't be said about the i9 9900k though LOL.

 

I love overclocked benching. And, I really like gaming, too. But, I am super picky and only enjoy certain types of games, and I am picky even when it is in the genre that I like. I like games that have built-in benchmarks, but sometimes I only like the benchmark and not the actual game itself. I don't spend a lot of time playing games most of the time like I used to, but when I do it's usually on a binge that lasts a long time. I used to play games anywhere from 10 to 30 hours a week, and now (if I don't count running benchmarks when those are included in a game) it is probably 10 to 20 hours a year on a game that I get addicted to and it often all happens at once over the course of less than a week. Then I am done gaming for a long time. My interests are mostly limited to FPS with a linear campaign, no strategy and no open world environment. If I have to gather clues along the way and make stuff to level up, I usually find it boring and can't go more than about 20 minutes, then I never touch it again. I have probably more than 100 titles in my Steam library that I have played for less than 30 minutes before I got bored by it and never had an interest in going back to it again.

 

old school

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limited to Frames per second with linear campaign* (benchmark)
as expected of mr fox

 

First Person Shooter and you literally just re-typed what he said

 

i guess u didnt get what i was trying to do.

 

You bet... no nonsense... black and white... cut and dry... whenever possible.

You nailed it. Run and gun fun. It's getting harder to find good FPS games. It was all excited about COD4 until I found out it had no SP campaign. Hugely disappointed would be an understatement.

I got what you were saying. You were just playing off my benching addiction.

 

Im similar in some regards, I used to game on anything that was interesting run and gun. When I was young my "father" would tell me to be quiet in a corner at the Auto shop he worked at and luckily one of the guys took pity on me and decided to have me play Quake III Arena. Was PURE punishment! That made it fun! Then I found Day of Defeat: Source and was banned from several servers for cheating, so I moved on to Cod4:MW1 and had my own clan for a while. That turned out to be a mistake as it was just a bunch of grown up babies paying me compliments all the damn time because I was running 140 kills to 15-20 deaths a game. That and they whined all the damn time about not having admin rights on my server. I ended up moving on to other genres.

Now I enjoy a strong narrative with great supporting casts and a great antagonist. Though those are proving to be few and far between even back when they were more popular. MGSV:TPP was close to that which I desire in a game but unfortunately Kojima is a perfectionist (and rightly so) and was fired before he could complete his last installment. I love a good enticing narrative that doesnt need to spoon feed you.

That being said I also love run and gun, lots of others do as well, its why Doom 2016 was so well received. A breath of fresh air in the current climate. Myself, I enjoy R6:Siege to keep me entertained but before the Ranger broke down I was being banned for no reason at all, and people throwing matches in Ranked all the time killed my enthusiasm. I see myself as above average in that game and thats mostly because I dont lose my cool when crap hits the fan, its practically the only time I feel like the old days!

That all being said I only have a few goals at the moment. Fix my Ranger and get it ready for redeployment, set some records if I can. Head off to teach English in Korea, a middle finger to the doctors who diagnosed me as an infant with mild retardation and was told I would never be able to read well or speak above a 4th grade level. Then I will learn another language while building up the skill needed for Game Development and begin world building.

So yeah, I love me some good benchmarking, and my Ranger will be a last personal respite of that adventure for a while until I build a desktop and work on something a bit more meaningful, since I cant seem to find that in just gaming anymore. Maybe I am getting older, still young mind you. Forums are my only outlet at the moment, so forgive the wordy response, I dont often get to speak my mind otherwise these days and I do see you guys as peers in a manner of speaking.

 

If you don't like the grind of more complex single player games, then you might like multiplayer gaming as it's always dynamic & unpredictable and doesn't really contain any grind or problem solving (although basic strategy & quick thinking to create flexible short term plans are a thing!). I didn't play any multiplayer games until Titanfall came out in 2014, I was always single player before, and kinda 'scared/wary' about multiplayer, but it's got to the point now that I find single player games boring now unless I make a concerted effort to stay away from multiplayer for a short time & concentrate on getting into a good single player game. I got absolutely wasted in multiplayer games to start with, but practice makes perfect! (I've progressed from Titanfall, to Titanfall 2, back to Titanfall, and now Battlefield 1 - I like to concentrate on one game for many months at a time and get as good as I can be. I also turn off all microphone chat, I just don't want to hear any of that, never ever once had it turned on, you can still play with teammates fine just using 'intuition' rather than barking orders (nor listening to them) over microphones). To me it feels like a sport & entertainment.

 

I am just wired differently.

When I game it is to unwind and unplug, so having to strategize, read instructions, follow a complex storyline, search for clues, craft new objects, or engage other people socially are the exact opposite of what I am looking for. If I were looking for that kind of stimulation I would participate in a chess tournament or get a second job and work longer hours.

 

So I just replaced my auo 4k panel (b173zan0.1) with a innolux 4k anti reflective one (n173dse-g31) and I've got to say I don't understand the hate towards the cheaper innolux panel. In my eyes the innolux panel only lacks contrast compared to the auo panel. But the innolux panel doesn't have any of the ghosting or burn in issues the auo panel has so I prefer this lol and also because I can view the display in direct sunlight. Ips just causes problems for gaming, such as the ghosting I was talking about.

 

Not bad from 2015 model notebook.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3986902_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_8700k_1722_cb?recalculate=true

 

i think its about time u got faster ram to eke out more cb15 points haha

btw with that score uve just reached the cb15 points/Ghz/core ratio of my highscore (1125 cb15/5.1 ghz/4 cores)

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Not the big improvement. But better than yesterday
http://hwbot.org/submission/3987619_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_8700k_1726_cb?recalculate=true

Spoiler: A few try...

 

Maybe +1730cb tomorrow.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3989289_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_8700k_1728_cb?recalculate=true

 

Now I understand the definition of true betrayal.

 

That's the reason I sold that crap

 

I never knew about this scandal. The betrayal must have felt like a swift kick to the gut.

So, if I understand correctly. Alienware unknowingly had an external ad-hoc team of expert engineering talent working free-of-charge to both improve the product and engender enthusiasm within the gaming community.

Rather than leveraging these efforts to improve Alienware products, management invested significant time and money to prevent such upgrades. Don't want to be competing with next gen laptops lol.

This type of devious behavior is to be expected from monopolies (e.g. Intel, nVidia, your government, etc.) but is somewhat surprising from one of the many players in the crowded laptop space.

 

That I'd pay good money to see.

 

And the beginning of their downfall.

Competition out here is stiff. Gone are the days you'd expect a gamer to hand out ~$2k for a new laptop every year or thereabouts.
Now you have to *really* earn that sale. The wide variety of both budget and premium systems sets the tone on what to expect: Knowledgeable clients with a wide variety of systems to pick from.
Which brings to light the likes of Apple and their crashing stocks. There's only so long you can polish a turd.

The least they could've done would've been to heed their requests, and grant them credit for this.
The NBR forums should be that haven where vendors stop and learn about what the community *really* needs.
Sometimes I wonder at what point Alienware ceased to be great, and became another hogwash vendor selling trash over quality.
Wonderful things happen when vendors listen to their users. And this forum, in particular, has a level of expertise you won't find elsewhere.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/409351...5_core_i7_8700k_18.97_points?recalculate=true


https://hwbot.org/submission/4093513_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_8700k_1735_cb?recalculate=true

 

This is very impressive, in my system with 8086k I can't exceed the 1630 score with all mods I did, teach me bro

 

ok, so first, you need to move to the arctic circle and build an igloo.

next, take a syringe and draw some poopoosan blood a.k.a. anti-freeze and inject yourself with it.

lastly, ask @Papusan / mr. freeze to teach you how to arm wrestle any windows version into giving you those few extra points that everyone else just doesnt get even at identical clocks and settings

 

Hahahaa then no way that I can do it. Okay I can accept that. BTW one of my friends asking me about 15" DTR like yours, please let me know if you are welling to sell.

 

Have you tried playing with Real time priority in CB using task manager? Should boost up the scores by 20-50 points.

 

Yes I did, Prema told me about it, but still I can't get more than 1630, and the CPU is not getting hot, only 85c @4.90 -160, it can go for 5.0 no issues but with lower score..

 

thx for the interest right now im in the process of upgrading my dark knight one last big overall time with new cpu/ram/wifi/ssd/OS and maaaybeeee gpu, but im considering switching mobo/shells to a TM1, not sure on that one yet...

in any case, if the time comes i will most likely sell the system off in parts, larger audience and more money in it

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If you have thermal headroom, maybe try reduce a bit on your undervolt. You should be able to do 1650cb with 49x if you don't have very much software running in the background. And don't forget to turn of disable your antivirus software.

You could start post your stock Cinebench R15 score. Can see much from this.

https://hwbot.org/submission/409555...5_core_i7_8700k_19.01_points?recalculate=true

 

Unfortunately after a long run I've decided to sell my clevo p870dm-g, I might just stick to pc now just like @Mr. Fox as there is nothing better and as you know, clevo screwed us over AGAIN with the rtx 2070/2080 mxm gpu's by placing mosfets in different places hence meaning that a heatsink mod is necessary. I fail to understand why clevo does this and frankly I can't keep up with this **** anymore.

I got a hold of another msi tornado f5 though, I might keep that going for a while, might even put my own i9-9900k in it as the bios is readily available here (thanks @dsanke again for the bios mods you send me ):
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...3-eurocom-tornado-f5-ms-1t11-vortex-pc.827573

Unfortunately, I thought I'd stick to my word of keeping the laptop for a long time but in all honesty I've completely stopped using it now as I barely get time to game, I hope it gets into the hands of a true modder!

The laptop is listed on the NBR marketplace if anyone is interested.