The Mighty Clevo P870DM-G "Phoenix" Gets an 8700K and GTX 1080 Upgrade

I'm sticking to my ranger for now. I still have many mods to complete and it delivers enough performance for my needs at the moment.

That being said, the Ranger was many things for me. One part passion project and some parts gaming machine while other parts being real justification. It's time is finite but I will extend that as much as my ability to do so.

By then I'll likely have a stable home again and can build another desktop, but for now I am quite happy with my Rangers known potential, and even happier to breach unknown potential as well.

That all being said, if I was solely a benchmark seeker then I would likely have retired this machine ages ago lol.

 

i hear ya and i feel ya buddy!

just ordered 4x8GB DDR4-3800 sticks from G.Skill, another upgrade for my sexy vintage machine

 

Yeah, None know what Clevo will do for the next gen Nvidia MXM graphics. Either go for full BGA or the usual changes. One thing for sure... Memory chips will once again change place. But where will they put it next time?

 

well, as long as a simple heatsink upgrade is required then I'd be fine with it much better than trying to source standard mxm boards on some shady sides transplanting Pascal/Turing cores onto quadro boards

 

I even wonder now about how "even" are the new RTX core dies.
Since pascal dies are extremely uneven, I am almost finishing lapping the "new" heatsink onto the 1080, which under no circumstance will be used onto a RTX card, if in some miracle I would have a MXM RTX.
So, this technical detail about die convexity is very important when it comes to heatsink...

 

You Bloody @jaybee83 u made once again an i7 9900K in ClevoP751DM1-G that's crazy DuDe congratulations congratulations i hope i see and RTX 2060 in it i have the same pc and u just give me hope to upgrade my machine thanx

 

I have a QUESTION any one tried to put the new clevo RTX 2060 MXM 3.0 inside one of the Clevo P87XDM/75X models ?
https://clevo-computer.com/upgrade-parts/clevo/graphics-cards-mxm-vga-s/1133/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-6gb-gddr6-mxm-3.0

 

Don't worry Dell's DGFF will supersede MXM 3 or reverse will be true because some DGFF GPUs like you said decided to go out for smoking and some beer/wine to enjoy their work-off period.

 

I’m just glad that the rtx 2080 is still mxm. That will last at least 3 to 4 years considering the raw power it has. Plus it’s actually as fast as a desktop rtx 2080 gpu believe it or not (maybe 5-8% difference between both).

 

With the right tools and firmware, RTX 2080 can get very close to desktop counterpart even on air cooling. But, the question is will OEMS do it or get it right this time or will we say RTX 2080 on high end gaming laptop for another 4 years?

 

hahaha thanks for that nice post! i like to get the most out of a machine before replacing it so yeah, i consider myself lucky that our resident wiz @Prema was able to help out once more in this regard

dont have plans for RTX yet, especially since there are no standard 3.0b mxm form factor RTX cards out yet. so far, im keeping my eyes on the quadro P5200, which is basically a standard MXM 1080 with 16 GB of GDDR5 but thats still a bit away in the future.

meantime: tweaking timings at DDR4-3400, waiting on my new storage (970 pro 1tb, 512 GB usb stick, waiting to see what nextgen m.2 optane M15 and 815p drives have to offer) and also waiting to upgrade my 7265 intel wifi to the new 200AX. aside from that, its about time again for a fresh install, im thinking to go enterprise LTSC 2019 this time around, getting sick of the "new features" and short upgrade cycles on the regular W10 pro....

so yeah, looooots of good things still ahead for my Dark Knight

 

How much power does the p5200 draw?

 

Think the MXM ones in the wild are ~120W MQ variants, probably better to get a 1070 until otherwise disproven

 

Depends on the variant:
Max-Q is around 100-110 W with core clocks at 1316 Mhz Base / 1569 Mhz Boost
Max-P is 150W with core clocks at 1556 Mhz Base / 1746 Mhz Boost

The listings I am keeping my eye on at Taobao should be the Max-P ones, since the higher Boost clocks are listed. But one would better verify that with the seller before clicking the buy button

 

But what are the prices of such card like the Quadro P5200 on eurocom are like 2500$ XD

 

I could probably stretch to 135w on the ranger, so maybe 1600c or so? Unless of course I find a method of delivering more power...

 

yeah thats why im keeping watch on taobao, u can get a P5200 for 1000 usd there currently basically same price as a 1080 mobile, or rather a bit more expensive than a used 1080, but same as a new one.

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So if I sell my 1070 that's about a 600 usd investment eh? I'm really tempted right now.

If you end up getting one and for what ever reason want to get rid of it I'll take it off your hands, I don't know how to shop taobao lol

 

SOLD P870DM-G BAREBONES!

The end of an incredible laptop, I’ll miss the P870DM-G a lot. I don’t think anything will top it’s upgradability.

 

Challenge accepted!

 

Thanks @Prema

Ram still not tweaked (2133MHz). First gen P870DM. 4 years old lady with an makeover. The joy with socket hardware cant be appriated enough


48x and same ram speed.

 

Ah, cool, you put the 9900K in there to replace your 8700K! What percentage improvement are you seeing, and how are temps in comparison to your 8700K? Oh yeah, and what are the power draw comparisons?

 

Stock... 2080 vs. 1460. But the numbers can't really be compared. I still haven't oc'd the ram. I mean I should get +30 points on top if I add in my old ram settings. + I'm not finish with how I want put it up in bios.

 

join the DM1 club with 9900K, about time I'd say!

and yes, I figured u weren't done yet, the scores seemed a tad low looking forward to see how much you can squeeze out of it with the anemic cpu vrms!

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Yeah, I'm sure there is a limit in there bruh But the Cinebench R15 score from Guru3.com ain't much better with faster 3200MHz ram speed. Rather lower. And the 5.2GHz score isn't so much better either. I expect around 2110 with stock clocks and old ram settings. Not so bad, could be worse

 

oh i wasnt comparing it to reviewer "stock" but rather papusan "stock"

im getting 2054 at 4.6 ghz, so that would be 2099 at stock clocks and 2322 at 5.2 ghz actually, now that u mention RAM, i havent yet retested at 3400 mhz and tightened timings

btw looking good at 5.2 ghz! seems like the P870DM vrms are indeed beefier, which i already expected though pls let us know what kinda clocks are stable in CB R20 looped.

oh btw what (best) ram clocks and timings are you running at?

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As I said, with old ram settings I should see Papusan "Stock"

But the stock score is at least better than from nowadays tested laptop models with equal Cpu Can not be too disappointed bruh, Could be much worse

 

Awesome Brother @Papusan! @Prema magic is strong! He gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.

 

Yees. He is an Magician And Thanks.

Seen this? I'm sure @Falkentyne would puke as Hell if he jumped on this coming MSIBOOK GT76 Tragedy... https://www.notebookcheck.net/Exclu...-dragon-baring-its-gaming-fangs.420772.0.html

 

Just like with you I tried to talk him out of it, but he's just as stubborn...

Edit:
The LGA MSI is comming late to the party...

 

Did it require Pin mods and other advanced stuffs? Did Prema make a Papusan edition BIOS?
So intel saying new mobo and chipset needed is a complete lie, correct? Did you need updated MEIFW and RAID OROMs as well?

Better late then never to grab few pennies and deprecate them a year after.

 

Those of us running 9900Ks without issue prove, prima facie, yes.

But it is not that simple. Intel might have their own quality control criteria that's a bit more complex than whether it "works" or not. They might have chosen a risk-averse approach - because *some* Z170/Z270/Z370 boards were not capable of handling 9900Ks, it isn't "all", its "none".

Anyway, Der8auer isolated about half the pins on an overclocked prime95ing 9900K/Z370 suggesting pretty strongly the extra pins aren't the critical issue.

They may also just have been typical "new CPU gen = new socket" Intel and decided it to keep mobo partners happy by officially killing a CPU-only upgrade path... And not tried too hard to think about testing or certifying boards what could handle the ~double power draw of 9900Ks.

Like all the P870 boards can

 

we will have the same convo again once 10core comet lake is out (with even the slightest chance of Z170 compatibility )

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I don't think so...

 

yeah, doesnt look that way so far according to rumours...but hey, u never know!

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@Papusan Can XPS handle 10 core CPU on current heatsink? I think 200C will be throttling limit. Stock clocks might be 0.1GHz and boost clocks might be 1.2GHz thanks to superior cooling.

 

I'll be curious to see where you end up at with the 9900K, in other words your final stable 9900K OC vs the same for your 8700K - maybe a comparison of like for like in terms of 24/7 everyday max usable overclock. I'm thinking one drawback with 9900K is that heat transfer is worse with the solder than with a delidded liquid metal chip (ie your 8700K), so I'm thinking that you'll find that you can pull more Watts on your 8700K vs your 9900K in terms of temperatures?

 

I don't expect much more than stock clocks in everyday use. I will see if I can get hold in some flat thin heatpipes later. The DM boards can only support the 5v fans so I can't flush more air into the heatsink grills.

I have 50 days money back warranty from the shop here in Norway (will wait with the delidding and LM to see how it pans out). And the 8700K I have is still an nice chips. Wasn't really needed with 9900K but I like fiddling with much weird things as you may know But the 9900K will still give an advantage as +-30% more performance due more cores (stock 9900K vs. oc'd [email protected]).

 

I'll be curious to see what you can do with a 9900k in the 870dm both stock/daily driver and overclocking. I know @DaMafiaGamer said it ran way too hot for anything meaningful in his 870DM, but you really extracted every ounce of performance from your 8700k.

 

yep, it definitely needs tweaking, especially in machines originally only designed for quadcores. but its manageable if you like tweaking

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Yeah, do your best with tuning it for max performance for a daily driver OC and/or undervolt, and then compare that against your daily driver OC on your 8700K - I'd be curious to see the specifics of the performance/power consumption/temperatures, and what you learn.

 

It runs too hot where ambient temps are too high. Papusan ambient temps are too low which can make the CPU to squeeze more performance along with LM.

 

Is this better?
Papusan "Stock" 2103cb. 60 poins higher than the test from Guru3.com. Or around 130 points above tested laptop models on Notebookcheck.com

9900K overclock for everydays usage in the DM will be difficult. Maybe 4.8Ghz with delidding and Liquid metal.

My binned 8700K run very cool. + it was delidded with Conductonaut. But 33% more cores have it's price. With both running 4.7 GHz on all cores the 8700K used 30/40w lower power consumption vs. this 9900K sample. But I will spend more time with undervolt/other settings to see if I can get it run with less wattage.

 

It sounds like an undervolt on the 9900K combined with a small overclock might be the way to go for max performance from that chip - if you're already at the thermal limit with stock voltage & stock clocks. Yes, and RAM tuning just to get the most out of the CPU performance.

 

muuuch better, now we're talking

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I'd definitely use an AVX offset with the 9900K when not benching, at least if you want to go for the highest overclock that maintains good temps.

 

Got my new machine: GT83VR 7RE, yes I know its a bga turdbook (BUT with a golden sample 7920hq check spoilers lol )

Spoiler

For you @Papusan there is that 1% of bga that is actually decent lol

EDIT: BTW forgot to mention thank you @Rengsey R. H. Jr. for this beast of a notebook

 

With the scores I've got I might aswell forget buying the i7-8850h version lol

 

Is that an all core 4.1Ghz, or can you overclock that CPU? I'm thinking you can overclock it because 922 is a good score for a 4C/8T CPU.

 

Any reason why you got older BGA with no BIOS and app updates. You always get x9xxHQ chips any reason why?