The Mighty Clevo P870DM-G "Phoenix" Gets an 8700K and GTX 1080 Upgrade

The game can be fun with the right friends (people who just chillin and lookin for a lolzi time) but otherwise its a poorly optimized game.

Not worth the time of consideration from a benching perspective honestly.

 

pretty much this. It'll give odd results because of its optimization. If you want to have a blast from the past, test crysis 1 Max AA w/ all very high at 4k.

 

I never liked Crysis either, could only see it as a benchmark disguised as a game. Thats my own bias though, its not a knock for those that enjoy it.

Im the opposite of Mr.Fox in that regard. While I love FPS, I cant do it 24/7, I appreciate a good well written narrative. Something that doesnt really exist anymore.

That being said I havent played Witcher 3 yet but thats because I am waiting to get a 1070 before I play perhaps the only decent RPG game of late.

 

Def. Feel the same way. Baldurs gate and icewind Dale are some of my favorites. My real favorite game genre would have to be base building RTS. Don't make em like they used to.

 

Well done! Besides the ridiculous card dimensions, the pin layout was a pretty low move by Clevo. Naughty Clevo gets a taste of their own medicine...

 

We are all different. I am a FPS die hard and don't really like anything else. Crysis franchise, Doom, Wolfenstein franchise, COD franchise and Battlefield franchise (in that order) are my favorites. I do not like open world games like GTA, Skyrim, Mordor and Witcher very much, and refuse to have any part of Strategy (Ashes of the Singularity and Age of Empires) or MMORPG (DOTA, FF, WOW) games.

Up their nose with a rubber hose! Let 'em sit on it and rotate, LOL.

 

Heaven 4.0 - Machete - 7700K | GTX 1080 | @Prema BIOS / vBIOS
Quality: High / Tessellation: Extreme


Heaven 4.0 - Machete - 7700K | GTX 1080 | @Prema BIOS / vBIOS
Quality: Ultra / Tessellation: Extreme

 

Damn. If only I could get my 1070 gecube to work at full potential

 

Yeah the original vbios had them working at a fuller potential... The insufficient vrms couldn't keep up tho

I wouldn't push them unless you know yours is 'fixed'

 

Pretty good score.

I'd still be way more interested in the performance if the hardware is tested at more demanding tasks, but I guess we will never know because you refuse to benchmark crysis 3 on max settings on welcome to the jungle and somehow cannot figure out witcher 3 and I'll assume you don't want to bother getting for honor.

 

It sounds like he only owns the base game while most of the saves are from GOTY or with additional DLC.

He also said he was busy so it looks like he just ran the benchmarks he has on hand and dont have to spend a lot of time to even begin.

The passive aggressive choice of language Im sure isnt going to help either but what do I know...

 

No, the only thing I am refusing to do is burn more calories on a game I have zero interest in (Witcher 3). I would have been more than happy to do that benchmark for you if it didn't require me to waste more of my time than I already have. I'm not going to play through the game looking for a way to get to Novigrad... yes, I do refuse to use any more of my time trying to figure that out.

Here's another Crysis 3 video... just for you. Hope you like it. Everything I could find to max out is maxed out.

 

I absolutely love all the tinkering and effort you all have put into this modification. It looks to be working great. Well Done!
Out of curiosity, are you still able to close the bottom lid, or must the bottom of the notebook remain open due to the cutting?

 

Thank you.

The bottom cover fits fine. There are no interference or clearance issues.

 

Just always remember to remove the vent baffle to let more air in.

 

Hello everybody!

I remodeled my P870DM electrically and mechanically for GTX1080.

Does the combination GTX1080 and P870DM (6700k) also work with the mod.

Can I buy or download the MOD?

I am in the middle of testing and need help with it. The P870DM works so far. Also, the GTX1080 goes on, only the screen does not work!

The holder of the card I have done differently. In addition, I constructed a new heat pipe. Thus, the Heatsink is exactly coplanar to the GPU-DIE, so optimal loss of heat can be absorbed.

As described above, I need help with starting the screen.

thank you for the hints and regards, radolf

Overview







Mechanical and Electrical

 

nice any pictures of your project would be cool! hope ure gonna get the internal screen working!

 

The average is good however the lows are making it somewhat meh. It's nowhere near desktop level for instance, the place where you fight Cell with the helicopters you dropped down to 51 fps and had average around 55ish. I've seen much faster paced gameplay on that exact place with FPS on absolute min on ~60 and average around 67ish, if you were to play the same style you'd be in the 40s, but hilariously enough you beat the snot out of the P870DM2.

So I guess mission accomplished. I don't expect the notebook to beat a desktop card but it came rather close, so I'd say nicely done.

I'd like to know how the MSI GTX 1080 in GT 73VR or GT75 models compare to yours and how the Acer predator 17x does. I havent seen any gameplay at that point from an MSI rig or Acer, especially the acer since it does seem to consisstently beat the clevos on notebookcheck benchmarks across the board except for very very few titles. You don't happen to know anyone who got an acer or MSI do you? I'd like to compare.

 

Thank you.

No, I do not know of anyone that could do a comparison. I do not really keep track of the other brand owners, but it would be nice if someone that owns one is reading this and would like to offer their own results to show how it compares. I can do the same test with my desktop and see how close it is to the EVGA 1080 Ti SC2 framerate.

 

Yeah no, a SC TI will send the notebook 1080 to the moon.

btw:
Vanilla savefile witcher 3, just load the file, turn max settings and record while you ride through the city, that's all.

 

I'd like to see that too with the Ti.

 

Yes, but it's always fun to see one machine crush the skull of another, whether it is laptop versus laptop or desktop versus laptop. Doesn't need to be a fair fight, as long as it's a massacre.

OK, so I downloaded the save file. Just ride through the city at the start of the game, right after killing the monster and Geralt is looking for that woman? I will have to download and install it again. I have already deleted it from my game drive. I was not planning to run it ever again.

The Crysis 3 1080 Ti video is uploading now. Ready to see the notebook blood bath?

 

Here you go... blood bath time.

 

For some weird reason I thought since Crysis 3 is 5 years old, the 1080m and the Ti would've been closer in FPS (Optimization) but, that's the NOOB in me coming out!

 

phoenix has the gtx 1080 gt73 which is supposedly rated to 200w

 

Maybe Brother @Phoenix will rise to the challenge. If he needs it, I can email him the Crysis 3 saved games files so he can jump straight to "Welcome to the Jungle" for the comparison with the framerate in this video.





Edit: Anyone that wants to take the challenge can download the Crysis 3 Saved Game profiles from my Google Drive. > Link <

 

AUO B173QTN01.4 2560x1440 120Hz screen upgrade coming to the P870DM-G next. Will update the opening post with the upgrade info. (Takes a @Prema BIOS mod to do the B173QTN01.4 versus standard B173QTN01.0 used by Clevo.)

 

Yeah as expected, completely pooped on the notebook. I remember a time where you claimed your clevo notebook can compete with the highest OCed desktops PC's. Even with a desktop 1080 non ti u would poop on your notebook and u'd never be able to ever reach the same performance :'D

I think now you finally understand why I had to massively cringe every time you said your notebook could compete with highly OCed desktop hardware. Your TI is around 80-90% faster than your overclocked clevo non TI. With a desktop 1080 you'd be able to push it around 55 - 60% faster than your clevo.


pretty sure @Phoenix doesn't have his card overclocked, nor does he have the game sadly

This is the reason why I'm so curious about the card. It should have massive potential.

 

seriously?!?! Premamod for a friggin display swap?! is that REALLY necessary Clevo? Greez, just ridiculous...

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Goes to show how garbage clevo actually is. Only thing clevo has is potential, nothing more.

 

Half the value of a Clevo is on a Prema BIOS, either get one from a distributor that can offer them or Clevo is no better than any other BGA cancer book as people love to call everything else on this forum, but the reality distortion field is strong and so, Clevo is da best thing evah...

 

Pretty much.

Ever owned a svet MSI BGA book? U'd be crapping bricks :'D

 

I had a haswell GT60 for a very short time with a modded bios. Svet might be good but there's not much to polish with those bulk selling mid range MSI turds. It felt cheap and flimsy all over compared to my Clevos, and was almost identical inside to a sandy bridge era GT780 (which I bought cheap due to a blown fet on the gpu, because the heatsink was a rubbish design)

MSI aren't all bad, their MXM 1070 is excellently built (except for the early version crash bug) but there's a lot of bad there. The way they've operated of late re that crash bug (in not doing a full recall and only replacing cards to shut up people who complain long and loud) and the lack of an advertised Pascal upgrade kit model thing (can't be done they said, total BS) leading to a sneaky upsell/trade-in program, and their generally abominable customer service here in Australia, has put me off buying anything of theirs unless I have no alternative

 

whoa dont get me wrong here. there is no reality distortion going on, even if "potential" is the only thing differentiating clevo from other brands. potential offers possibilities / options / leeway in terms of performance and upgradeability. we are all aware how much @Prema is able to unlock in clevo machines, which makes total sense in terms of gpu / cpu / ram performance and special storage such as added nvme compatibility.

but WHY the heck do you need ANY bios mods whatsoever for a different display? i dont get it...as long as the physical dimensions fit and the power as well as data throughput is secured, what else hinders one to swap in basically any display available? im not talking about gsync functionality, just overall function at the rated brightness, color accuracy, latency and refresh rates.

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See, that's the part about which you are mistaken. It is simply not true and every time you go there you lose credibility. It is not a claim, as there is evidence that proves it to be true. All you have to do it spend some time on leaderboards and looking at ranking and results. The evidence is irrefutable. And, you have to go more cores, step up to a higher model Ti or non-reference overclocker's GPU, higher CPU overclock and liquid (or better) cooling with a desktop to do better with the same hardware grade. Games are not the best tools to test overclocked CPU and GPU performance. Games are only the best tools to test games.

Desktops definitely have fewer limitations and capacity to go further when properly equipped and tuned, and not castrated by firmware. I'm pretty sure I am done with notebooks going forward, and we both agree that all notebooks are garbage as they ship from the factory. We also agree that Clevos have potential. BGA garbage is trash of the worst sort, and it has diminished potential because it's made to suck on purpose by companies who suck and are too stupid and dishonest or admit to their own suckiness.

It is fine that we don't agree on everything.

At least Clevos with desktop CPUs have some potential. The alternative being BGA excrement is always DOA... by design... born with a death sentence, and designed to suck by people who suck.

Yeah, that is totally retarded, exceedingly corrupt and sinister to need a BIOS mod to change a display panel. I agree. All of the people that engineer laptops are retards... all brands of notebooks have major, glaring, sucky aspects to them, and this kind of dishonest BS is intentional.

Let's not forget all of the nonsense from other brands, too. You cannot just swap around displays willy-nilly on any notebook without running into problems. You should be able to, but the greedy OEM/ODM bastards like to plant land mines in the roadway and do all sorts of treacherous nonsense to keep us returning to their disease-ridden mammary glands for sustenance. Sometimes notebooks won't even POST with a black screen without an "approved" display connected and they will just beep (*looks at Alienware*) or have flashing light codes. No, Clevo is definitely not alone in their abject stupidity and abuse of proprietary filth. The only thing that separates them from the rest of the laptop dung heap is their offering of superior components and potential for making something better through mods. Without the magic of Brother @Prema, they're too messed up to be taken seriously, which leaves nothing available anywhere as an acceptable option.

Stupid crap like this is one of the reasons I built a desktop and do not plan to spend any more money going forward on buying a new laptop. They can kiss my booty and keep their crippled trash. Sadly, Clevo is the best the industry has to offer, so abandon hope all ye who enter here. Or, you can accept it for what it is and enjoy the concept of owning the only brand with true potential to be somewhat decent through mods and elbow grease, and the sweat of your own brow. It does not leave the factory as an awesome product, but nothing does.

 

You're mistaken, because as you already have demonstrated yourself. Only in short synthethic benchmarks is it possible for you to get barely functioning performance "close" to desktops. You cannot run the 7700K on your 5.4ghz or 5.2ghz which you uploaded on HWT in crysis nor in any other demanding load such as rendering a 4k movie over the period of 2 hours, desktop CPU's can, you won't deny this fact because you're not stupid enough to do so, hence it will never be on desktop performance level. Getting a score in a benchmark that lasts for a couple of minutes vs a real workload is completely different, you cannot delude yourself thinking that a notebook that is able to score in a short synthethic benchmark close to desktop performance would actually handle tasks such as heavy gaming, rendering, emulation or other stuff that requires the hardware to actually work.

Yes we can agree that BGA is more limited, we can also agree that 95% of the notebooks are garbage out of the factory, the thing we can't agree on if the trouble and time you're investing in increasing its performance. You would rather pay 2.500USD more for extra 10% performance, where I would not (just an example, not actually saying you would, but you get the point).

From a normal consumer standpoint (not me, not you, but the average joe), a bgabook with a repaste like HID is all they need.

 

When you're dealing with crippled notebook feces, you have to take a win wherever you can. Otherwise, you lose at everything all the time and that sucks. Better to not buy a notebook at all if you care about having the best performance. If you have to have a notebook for travel purposes and you love to overclock, better to own the best notebook you can buy if performance is what you care about more than anything else, Clevo is the only one that brings the goods here. All of the other options are incapable of meeting expectations. Even though Clevos are inferior to desktops, they are much closer because they are not as compromised as the castrated BGA trash alternatives.

I am a casual gamer. It doesn't take great hardware to play games and have fun with games. The fact that gamerboy turdbooks are viewed as acceptable products is proof of that. It only takes great hardware to do stupid or unnecessary things with games, like jacking up the graphics settings unreasonably high and expecting it to be smooth at 4K. That does not even turn out well for desktops most of the time.

 

Hello Everybody!

here is my solution for the framework and electrical situation!

A new heatpipepart is constructed and must be still made!

Is available there Biosmod for the P870DM!? (Shop or in any way)

I make available myself with pleasure and test with my computer in 4K!

Regards!









Yes, the final result is a black screen! How I can reach Prema directly!? I do not know a lot here yet thus!

Thanks and greets

 

Nice job, bro. You're making great progress.

The only way to get the BIOS mod is directly from @Prema. If you are using a 6700K CPU you can try it without the BIOS mod and see if it will boot, but it may get only a black screen.

 

And you mean all processors uploaded on the boot do all demanding tasks? https://hwbot.org/submission/3412512_der8auer_cpu_frequency_core_i7_7700k_7328.3_mhz

Where do you get all this from?

Btw... Why is the difference in performance 83% ? Both oc'd. May I smell crippled BGA?

 

That is an excellent example.

 

Jebus fack, 10 minutes difference!

Its that versus an 7820HK?

Even then, :/

 

Brother Steven at @OWNORDISOWN has a great YouTube channel and some fantastic reviews.

Here is the video Brother @Papusan took the screen shot from.

 

I'm sure 7700K doesn't run 83% higher clocks. Lets say the unlocked BGA run oc'd 4.0/4.1GHz. What would 7700K run at due the 83% higher performance? 83% higher clocks?

The unlocked i7 BGA in the Msibook Gt73 run equal tragic as it's brother the locked down BGA trash in Razerbook!!

 

The bottom line is this:

• Can BGA do a nice job of playing games? Yes.
• Can/Does BGA run as well as LGA? No.

Everyone knows all of the other drawbacks to BGA, as they have been discussed ad nauseum. There is zero benefit to settling for BGA unless you are the idiotic company manufacturing and selling that trash.

I choose to not be part of the problem and will not accept BGA garbage that is misrepresented as a high performance product. All of the marketing fluff and lies are not cool. BGA isn't the only joke in town, though. The carefully crafted artificial complexity of upgrades and piss-poor quality control that we are seeing puked out left and right, including from Clevo, shows how diabolical and self-serving the "gaming notebook" industry has become. They'll say and do anything it takes to sell their misrepresented, crippled trash. They're all the same in that respect.

I am not anti-BGA per se. Offer me something cheap that I can toss into a dumpster when it dies and not lose a lot of money, and I'll bite. No problem. Tell me it's something it is not and lie about it being awesome, and I will take a dump on it every opportunity I get.

 

Well it's also more efficient if you overclock the same.

A lot of i7 7700K can do below 1v at 4.2GHz, while a 7820HK will always be 1v or higher.

 

You are absolutely correct. That is covered in the second bullet point. BGA products are inferior in many ways. That does not mean they have no place in low cost products. They serve a legitimate purpose when utilized appropriately, but should not be misrepresented as awesome or equal. It deserves to be viewed as an inferior product offering because it is an inferior product. When you pay less, it is appropriate to expect less. When you pay the same (or more in some cases) you're getting screwed.

 

Have never seen unlocked i7 BGA manage same Cinebench R15 scores running same clocks as LGA. Today's flimsy AWbooks need more like +1.5 bin to perform equal scores. And a golden 7820HK@49x if you was lucky and won in the MB lottery (This is very rare. I see you @Falkentyne), will need 1 bin higher clocks but score only wimpy 4 points higher in Cinebench R15 vs lower clocked [email protected]. And we see the same behaviour in real world tests as showed above. BGA processors running in Msibooks ain't much different than what you can see in the other thin and flimsy gamingbooks.

 

probably running stock ram and not able to turn on xmp

 

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@Mobius 1 , I am disappoint.

Kingston DDR 2400 Valueram (stock timings 17/17/17/39, 2T).

Running at 15-15-15-35 1T, tRFC=270, tREFI=65535.

stock RAM?