The Mighty Clevo P870DM-G "Phoenix" Gets an 8700K and GTX 1080 Upgrade

By mentioning it at all, really means we don't know anything. If we knew something, we wouldn't be able to make comments like that.
Just spewing my wishful thinking out to the NBR forums. Sorry!

 

Involves adding extra caps under the CPU socket and beefing up the power delivery/VRM (unsure about the second one) a bit.

 

Here's a Link to the current Coffee lake mod on the clevo P771DM2 ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/coffee-lake-bios-updates-p751dm2-g.814350/) and it seems just bios and shorting/isolating some cpu connections. Hopefully the P870DM-G works the same way... just to give a basic idea of what this mod could look like, we won't know until @Mr. Fox or @Prema releases more information about it

 

@Khenglish beefed up the power delivery as shown in previous photos. Whether or not that is necessary, I do not know. The idea was to enhance and avoid failure due to overloading the system. At 5.0GHz I am pulling about 160W, which is beyond what was contemplated in the engineering of the P870DM-G motherboard. The DM3, KM1 and TM1 motherboard are more robust as they were designed for more powerful CPUs (7700K and 8700K).

The hardware mod for the CPU itself involves only the CPU, not the socket the CPU is mounted in. That's all I can say at this point publicly.

 

ok this is very useful info already! thanks for that so it seems like basic 8700k functionality is just dependant on bios/ec and having the actual chip, the rest is just for pushing the overclock further.

on my current setup i can do around 120-125 W on the cpu under long avx loads stable with thermals under control without throttling. so now just some research left to check and see what a nicely binned 8700k could pull off in terms of clocks at that wattage

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The 1080 mod was definitely a lot harder. Cooling is the real challenge with both mods, but especially the GTX 1080 mod since you're starting off with heat sink parts that are not even remotely kind of, sort of, close to fitting. That part was a really huge pain in the ass, LOL. Using a TM1 CPU heat sink and shaving down the CPU heat sink screw stand-offs to allow the heat sink to make contact with the IHS should work for the DM-G. Fans are an issue, as the DM-G has weaker (and quieter) 5V fans, whereas the newer machines have far more powerful (and much noisier) 12V fans.

USPS should be delivering the IC Graphite Pads today, so will see how much that helps. I have a hunch the 6700K heat sink might be getting saturated and overwhelmed, but I might be pleasantly surprised if that is not the case and the temps are high more due to crappy fit and poor thermal conduction.

As far as power delivery goes, I have seen what happens when wimpy motherboards meet powerful overclocked CPUs (M18xR2 and Alienware 18 with firmware mods and mobile Extreme CPUs) and the end result can (potentially) be catastrophic failure when the ODM makes things just barely good enough for stock.

Example: M18xR2 - 3940XM

 

lol! that looks toasty and well done (in steak terms, that is )

thats exactly what id like to avoid, so its actually good to know that i will most likely run into thermal limits WAY before reaching my mobo´s power delivery limits still, having a six-core 8700K cpu in this machine with a moderate OC would already be....

 

ALL THE UPGRADES YOU MENTIONED ARE FOR THE CLEVO P751DM1-G !!! OR DO U HAVE AN P870DM1-G ?

 

ALL THE UPGRADES YOU MENTIONED ARE FOR THE CLEVO P751DM1-G !!! OR DO U HAVE AN P870DM1-G ?

 

It's not necessary. It was just easy to do and may help overclocking.

As for DM vs later board's power delivery, they are identical. The power FETs are rated for 320 Amps total. Boards after the DM have a single extra capacitor which would very slightly improve overclocking. I added this missing cap to your board.

 

pin bridging mod shared publicly for asrock z170 by others (Splave @ hwbot) - same as here?

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/175489-asrock-z170-mocf-lives-on-coffee-lake-mods/

 

its for my current system as specced in my signature

 

if you can upgrade your laptop with all that list then the P751DM has a bright futur but for the gtx 1070 who try that upgrade successfully ?

 

So power delivery is not the problem, but heat removal is?

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Wow nice job.
Epicness is the word for this.
From looking at the pictures, it seems difficult to upgrade 980 to 1080. How hard is it for the cpu from 6700k to 8700k ?

 

not specifically on the p750dm, but ive seen the 1070 on the p870dm and the p775dm, so im staying optimistic not sure yet if ill go for a standard 1070 or a quadro p5000 (based on 1070 core, lower clocks, but 16 gb vram and identical layout to 980m, so no heatsink mods necessary).

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The P870DM-G has enough space to fit the MSI 1070, the P775DM requires a bit of chassis modding to fit.

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the MSI is not an option for me, because i would have to rip out one of my M.2 slots on the mobo to make space for that damned tab so id rather go for a standard mxm 3.0b 1070, the one that eurocom sells, for example.

 

Pass on that, people been having too many problems with eurocom cards and basically little to no support for them with a terrible warranty. Only work with Optimus officially.

Zbox 1070 with msi vbios seem to be way better option.

 

i never said i was planning to buy a card from eurocom just used them as a reference for the specific card i was referring to

 

Good, I wouldn't want to shame you for the rest of your days

 

Is the Eurocom 780W Power supply at least a semi decent quality item then? Or is it more magic smoke?

 

If there is interest I have in something I always look at the individual products, while I have no love for eurocom if they fill a niche with their own product its fair to look at what your getting.

That being said i have no idea, I imagine it's a low volume item but I think a few NBR members had used them if I'm not mistaken I think Mr. Fox might've been one of them.

I'm just not a fan of their gpu upgrades, little to no warranty screams lack of confidence for their product while charging near double the competition that performs less than its competition while being stuck with Optimus. This was for their 1070/1060 offerings in the ranger.

 

@TheReciever

Aren't they just using Gecube cards?
E.g. the ones that went boom at 115W TDP and the magic smoke came out?
Or was it gecube /eurocom cards running at 150W?

 

@Mr. Fox - I see that you're running a 8700K on Win 10 2016 LTSB. According to https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements, it only supports up to 7th gen. Are you running into any issues with your 8700K?

 

From what I understand yes, however they are nerfed to sub 95w now based on a couple user reports, can't maintain more than 1200 core iirc but mind you I'm under massive weight cut and my memory is fuzzy these days

But boiled down its gecube with eurocom vbios

 

The best you can do is the MSI 1060 for form factor.

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Don't put too much stock into that. I'm running Windows 7 on an 8600K just fine.

 

You can get the Zbox 1070 as well, not really economical but the option is there.

 

several things concerning your last several posts:

- while the zbox card looks indeed intriguing, one basically has to throw away the enclosure once the gpu is removed, since u cannot use a different card in there. plus, the zbox gpu has fewer mosfets mounted onto it compared with the current gecube derived cards, so the latter should actually be able to draw more power than the former

- the restriction with optimus is only concerned with laptops sporting LVDS displays. LVDS support wss dropped with pascal cards, so in order for an LVDS display to work ull need optimus. once u go eDP though, optimus doesnt really matter (like in my case)

- that issue with cards blowing up seemed to be restricted to esrly gecube cards, with current ones having been updated with more mosfets and different quality components. im naturally still a bit wary concerning those early user reports, but asking around with other sellers of that card it seems like RMA / failure rates are nothing to be concerned about. plus, various vbios versions are available, ranging TDP values from 125-145 W. as for the eurocom cards nerfed to 95W, no idea what that is about. theyre advertized as 115W, but some of them actually come with a 95W sticked, so there is that...

- MSI 1060 is not really an option, since the performance bump compared to my current 980M wouldnt be worth the trouble. what IS an interesting option though: quadro P5000 or P5200, both based on 1070 core, former clocked a bit lower, latter a bit higher than stock 1070. both come with 16 gb vram and sport the standard 980M layout, so no hestsink mods necessary. plus, i wont have to worry about robustness of the gpus, cuz were talking about professional parts here. downside, of course, would be higher pricing...

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ummm.....how is a 40% increase over the 980M NOT an improvement?

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-980M-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB/m15596vs3639

Yes, you'll need to do a TDP mod and maybe even a small OC to get the laptop 1060 to perform like desktop 1060 but it's still an improvement.

The P775DM has enough juice to power a 180W 980DT so it should be enough to power the 1060 with a TDP mod and overclock.

 

Your preaching to the choir on the first point, in the material you quoted it states it's not economical. Beating a dead horse on that one.

Second the 1060/1070 by eurocom for the ranger state specifically Optimus only and they do not sell cards for eDP operation, despite the machine supporting both.

I know what they advertise, I was a potential buyer, but too many reports of not being able to boost past 1200 or maintain tdp of 95w or greater just meant I didn't actually know what I would be buying. It's one thing to buy a card to test in your machine, it's another to buy a product that claims support. While commanding an absurd price at that, it makes the Zbox almost a better deal in comparison, at least you know what to expect in its specifications.

Yeah unfortunately workstation cards command higher prices but that would be an interesting development.

 

userbenchmark is not really a good site to compare hardware performance ^^ ull have to factor in that a LOT of users use bloated, unoptimized systems with old drivers, so a lot of fluctuation there. depending on game / application, the 1060 beats the 980M anywhere in the range of 7-39% (notebookcheck). sure thats nothing to sneer at, but why not just go with the 1070 which provides 50-100% performance boost over the 980M?

btw, i have a P751DM, not a P775DM

i could very well imagine eurocom only listing optimus systems because they havent checked eDP machines yet besides, having either an eDP or LVDS display inside an optimus machine doesnt even matter because....optimus

and yes ure totally correct about the part testing cards in a particular machine. its a complex situation with a lots of differing reports and several hardware choices to make, thats why im taking my sweet time in deciding which route to take...

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Because...

1. Eurocom 1070 models are busted AF,
2. The MSI 1070 won't fit without chassis modding.

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exactly my point! add to 2. without chassis modding AND mobo modding (ripping out an M.2 port) in my case

so yeah, research continues...

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Either bite the bullet and buy a 1060 or just get a new laptop.

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You mean to tell me when they tested and got it working on the ranger with both ports available that they just washed their hands of their own market and called it a day?

Well my opinion of eurocom is 6 feet under, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised at this point lol

 

...or get a gecube 1070 not from eurocom or get a quadro or get a zotac or wait for nextgen to see what it brings to the table.

"just get a new laptop" is the kind of throwaway mentality that BGA is promoting, not a big fan of that. i like modding / building my own system, so its part of the experience for me

ohno, not at all! its just that they dont do all the testing themselves. ive seen and heard of several users getting a gpu from them at a discounted rate for being willing to take the risk of them being the first one to try that particular gpu in their respective system and allowing eurocom to use that data for their gpu upgrade program.

as far as ive seen, eurocom likes to stick to drop-in upgrades without any physical modding involved (chassis, mobo or hestsink). so they let the more complex upgrades be taken care of by users willing to mutilate their machines this is also most likely why there is scarce to no data available for my machine...

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The new laptop would be a TM1-G.

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There is possibilities that P7xxDM1 work with 8th core？ Though mine work i5 8400，My P750DM‘s audio can’t work. I don't need so powerful GPU,but I need a powerful cpu.

 

yes it definitely would be indeed! but not before ive maxxed out my current setup

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Well, your particular model doesn't give you much room for options. The best you can do is the 1060 without doing any serious chassis modding.

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dude! lemme repeat my previous post here....

nvme storage, faster ram, 6C/12T cpu, 1070 or 1070 based quadro with 16 gb vram (either option doesnt require chassis modding), faster wifi

i can basically turn my machine into a completely new system, so its still waaaay off from EOL yet...

and again: msi 1060 is NOT my best option for a gpu upgrade...just doesnt make sense for a 980M owner.

PLUS: i have @Prema mod on this machine. something that cannot be summarized in a simple money term and gives this machine immense extra value!

 

Have you ever thought about the total cost of the parts just to perform the upgrade? The 1070 itself is already over $1000 on ebay and through sellers like woodzstack. For the amount of money just to get the parts you may as well get a whole new rig. Gpu prices only go up, not down.

And are you willing to spend the time and money to do the cpu upgrade from skylake to coffee lake and all the required mods just to "stay relevant"? By the time you get the parts you wanted they are no longer the latest and greatest anyway.

But hey, it's your money.



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Word. Specially when Clevo 1070's can be had for < $700 through the right people.

 

hm well i have offers on ebay for around 700 USD and could source it on taobao for less than 600. plus i can offset that price by selling off my current 980M.

the CFL upgrade is actually not THAT complex and i already have most of what would be necessary in place. so it would just be a question of getting the actual CPU (went down to 280 € recently in retail, but was planning for an SL binned one for better voltages and thermals) and start tweaking plus again offset the price by selling off my current 7700K.

well that part about "staying relevant" is...relevant... for all us NBR users here, in some form or another

in the end its always the same question for all users: upgrade or buy completely new system? sadly, the market pushes us more and more towards the latter. but whatever u do, the basic steps are the same: get new parts/system and sell old parts/system to set off the expenses.

for me personally, the ability to tweak and mod my system and thus make it more "unique" and "my very own" in combination with being able to run @Prema Mod (which basically goes hand in hand with the first point mentioned here ) is far more important than having "the latest and greatest" at any given time. if it really was that important to me, id have upgraded to a completely new pascal system a long time ago.

all in all, id probably spend either the same amount of money or less for a system that is more unique and more performant than most if not almost all systems out there that i could get as new when swapping out my current machine completely.

but getting there is just waaaaay more fun by upgrading

 

I'm jealous of you guys. You guys are all enjoying 8700K's while me and brother @Papusan have to wait for 9700K 8 core Clevo with Nvidia 1180 and a prema bios

 

lol no worries man. once u guys have your 9700Ks and 1180s we will be the ones being jealous

the only ones exempted from this leapfrogging jealousy would be the likes of @Mr. Fox and @Johnksss (cuz they dont leapfrog a gen, they just take it all )

 

Nah, you don't need to wait for anything Brother @Falkentyne. Be smart, like a Fox (*wink* to @Phoenix). Use your laptop as a laptop until it's dead or too slow to be useful, then toss it into a dumpster, donate it to charity, or give it to someone with something not as good as your worn out laptop. Then just get something extra cheap for couch surfing or travel. Doesn't need to be special or powerful for that. Spend your money on a desktop and have whatever you want today, enjoy upgrades tomorrow, or transferrable equipment with no proprietary stupidity going on... i.e. PSU, GPU, drives, cooling system, case, monitor, keyboard/mouse, etc.... swap what you want, when you want, as often as you want... and, wow... look... it fits... plug and play. Run way faster, overclock higher, run way lots cooler, spend less money, and revel in the joy of a cancer-free beast that doesn't rely on hardware mods and firmware tweaks to function correctly.

 

Or, you could always look at a compromise. If you need a bit more mobility, and the lack of a monitor doesn't bother you because you can always plug into a TV or monitor wherever you roam, build yourself a "Mighty Mini" like my good buddy in the avatar, Forbin, would recommend. Only moving parts are a few fans for the GPU, CPU, case and the optical drive for blu-ray movies. Other than that everything solid state with no moving parts, and fits within a duffel bag for LAN parties, shuttling between home and office for work, etc.