The Mighty Clevo P870DM-G "Phoenix" Gets an 8700K and GTX 1080 Upgrade

I couldn’t live with a compromise like this. Maybe for others but not me. We have to see what’s coming this fall/in worst case early spring 19. Good time for me to jump on something new. Wasn’t that late fall 2017/18.

 

I might be on the list to get a new clevo with the 8c, next gen Nvidia GPU if the cooling is half decent. I honestly miss breaking through the TDP limitations of DTR's.

 

There's no set date for the volta gpus yet?

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even if its no longer the latest and greatest the 8700k still would outperform the 6700k hence it being and upgrade

 

yeah, im looking at minimum +25% performance boost, up to +50% compared with my current 7700K clocked at 4.8 Ghz everyday and 5.1 Ghz for benching

 

anyway to get the 8700k working on a tornado f5?

 

With the right BIOS mod and CPU mod, it should work fine. Probably won't be able to keep it cool enough to use it. The P870DM-G heat sink is designed for a 6700K, as is the Tornado F5 heat sink. It is a real chore keeping it cool even with an insignificant 47x6 overclock. With a 7700K, the Tornado F5 runs much hotter than the P870DM-G. On that basis, I would not recommend it unless you are going to build a new/better heat sink for the Tornado F5.

 

thank you very much for your answer !!

 

How did it work with 8th core? AS I know, P870DMG can work with 870TM1's BIOS, however it speakers not work.

 

what about use this dc boost and change the fan to 12v

https://www.pololu.com/product/2117

and use for example this device

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-12V-Fan...182421487603?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10

 

That might work. Not sure if the 12V fans from the P870DM3 will fit in the chassis or not, but that would certainly help. @j95 was thinking along the same lines with a device like that. Even running the stock 5V fans at 12V might rev them up enough to improve the temps without harming them.

Brother @bloodhawk was kind enough to send me a P870DM3 heat sink to do a modding experiment with added heat pipes. I just got it today. (Thanks @bloodhawk.)The temps between the two stock heat sinks (DM-G vs DM3) is pretty much identical. Running stock core clock ratios and stock ring ratio with 1.100V core voltage temps are respectable. Maybe Brother @Papusan will be doing the 8700K mod as well.

 

Probably late/middle fall https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-mobility-gpus-next-gen-late-2018-launch/

Yees, bro Fox. I'm looking for what I need and what I can find here home. Maybe next weekend if I can get all I need

 

Dont do it!

5v fans with 12v will burn and wont spin no more.

The controllers in them are made for specific voltages and they dont stand a lot of over-voltage(at most +/-10%, go above that and you get Kentucky Fried FETs), I fried a 3.3v laptop fan by giving her 5v because I didn't read the label carefully and grabbed the wrong part number.

 

You need voltage boost or new pwm controller, today you can find amazing device for doing that.

 

Clevo fans in P870 don't work by PWM, only by variable voltage

Putting a 12V source at ~40% pwm duty cycle (to average 5V) into a 5V fan may in fact still blow it up due to there being spikes of 12V

 

I just missed a lot of conversation late on party lol

@Mr. Fox Hi bro I have a question on the bois used with the i7 8700k can it work with other 8ths gen cpus or it's only for the i7?

Hi @jaybee83 for me if the costum bois worked with the I5 8600k it's good upgrade in my opinion a cpu with 6 cores/6 threads and even clock to clock this cpu almost catch the i7 7700k performance in both gaming/productivity https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3157-intel-i5-8600k-review-overclocking-vs-8700k-8400/page-3 add on that it's between 50$ to 100$ range less then the i7 7700k this saved money can go for GPU or more powerful PSU.
for me a gtx 1060 it's a good upgrade from gtx 970m the only thing is does it work and thermals the invitable problem of all time.

 

Hello. I assume so, but it has not been tested. I know of no reason it would not. @Prema would have a better idea.

 

@Prema Hi bro I have a question on the bois used with the i7 8700k can it work with other 8ths gen cpus or it's only for the i7?

 

Hey bro, I connected with @Prema a little earlier and he advised that the BIOS mod he provided to me for the 8700K should support all Intel Generation 6, 7 and 8 socket 1151 LGA processors.

 

That is very impressive indeed.

I apologize if I missed it, but there's too many pages to go through, what do you achieve in Firestrike?

 

I had this link to tcheinferno in may favs if i need it then then tell me what do you think about it

@Mr. Fox Hi bro thank you so much for asking @Prema about BOIS mod and good thing to hear it's would work on the 3 last gens tahnx again for both of you

 

Here are a few scores for you, bro. Glad you like it. Pretty sweet ride.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12776087

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/15515656

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/3766000

 

Well that is just ridiculously strong

 

FIRST STEP is NOW done Click the like button, below to the right if you like the new boot logo. And Thanks @Prema You are the only reason many of us still buy/use notebooks!!


STEP 2. WILL COME MAYBE NEXT WEEKEND



AND I HAVEN''T FORGET THIS FANTASTIC THERMAL PASTE. Or better say LIQUID METAL. Will always follow in my tool box @Phoenix



STEP 3. WHO KNOWS

AND MANY OF YOU IS PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THE CLEVO LGA SYSTEMS. 3 YEARS OLD, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S HAVE TO BE OBSOLETE. BGA-KILLER P870DM1 IS SOON READY TO ROCK FOR A YEAR MORE. REASON... It is upgradeable

 

your logo is amazing

 

Awesome, indeed. Congratulations, bro.

And, yes... 100% on @Prema being the ONLY reason owning a high performance DTR/gamerboy notebook is still an acceptable option for purchase. There is absolutely nothing available except for Clevo P870XX + PremaMod BIOS that I find to be acceptable. Everything else is worthless, broken and castrated garbage to me. I have no intention of ever accepting or owning an expensive BGA trashbook. That will always be something I view as only being acceptable for super-cheap disposable junk.

 

my P775TM powered by Prema looks at you with hurt.

 

P775TM-G is acceptable!! This is Not an BGA TURD And I'm sure bro Fox is agree

Hope I can see it one day. Never say never

 

you are a genius!!

 

Give the BIG thanks to bro @Mobius 1 He posted this nice info first long time ago

 

Guys, help with the choice. I have clevo p870dm-g, stock. I bought it a processor i7 6700k and RAM 16 GB. I want to buy a video card, but I do not know what to choose. I'd like to see gtx 1080, but without the bios fashion it's indispensable. Tell me, will I be able to update the BIOS without a discrete graphics card (only intel HD), or is it impossible?

 

The impossible is merely an inconvenience. Team PremaMod breaks all the rules. Intel i7-8700K runs perfectly on Z170. Windows 7 runs flawlessly on Skylake, Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake. Laptops work great with desktop CPUs. Everything everyone has been told by the Intel and Micro$oft cartels is a bald-faced lie. With @Prema, the impossible is only a challenge to the status quo.

 

No, the Intel HD Graphics is non-functional. It has been disabled on purpose because it creates more problems on a high performance system than anything else.

The BIOS upgrade that makes 1080 work is not as much of a problem as having no heat sink that fits and modding the power delivery to the MXM slot. Making my own heat sink was a HUGE pain and the ass and I will never take on a project like that again. It's not worth it if you can buy a system that already has that support stock (i.e. P870DM3). It's unfortunate Clevo screwed all P870DM-G owners with a dead-end design. It's a truly excellent product otherwise.

 

If you want to upgrade but do minimal modding to case and the internals then an MSI 1070 is your best bet. you'll need to do some heatsink modding if you have the dual fin heatsink that's compatible with the 980DT.

It also means you'll need modded drivers to install or even get prema to flash a custom BIOS with the 1070 as a compatible card...you'll be lucky if he'll do it with their schedule.

 

Man, that would be a dream come true. The cool thing is he has the pelotas to do something awesome like that. Popularity is not a requirement. Sometimes you just have to do the right thing. I'd count making BGA laptops illegal as "the right thing to do" as well. Make laptops great again.

 

All too much cheap and even expencive Jokebooks being thrown in the dustbin after some time due NONE is upgradeable. Of course it should be illegal!! Make laptops great again. Aka "upgradeable"

 

aside from the prema bios....do I need to mod anything in my system if I go with 8700K with stock clocks?

 

CPU heatsink. the heatsink for the 6700K isn't enough.

 

Yes, you have to isolate some contacts on the underside of the CPU and bridge a couple of contacts. It's not hard, but we are not sharing that information publicly. If you get the Prema BIOS mod for this CPU change from @Prema, he/we will privately show you what to do with the CPU as well. Those that do not have the firmware from Prema do not need to know the information, and it could cause some ruckus and hate mail from Intel if we start providing those instructions to the general public.

If you run the CPU stock, it's actually fine and the temps are in the high 60s and low 70s with a severe CPU stress test. As soon as you start running all cores/threads at 47x and higher, the watts go up and the temps start getting crazy. 47x6 reaches the upper 70s (in a room with cool abnormally cool ambient temperatures) and 4.8GHz reaches the mid to upper 80s and low 90s, and forget about 4.9+ without AC cooling. Understandable though, since at 48x6 it is pulling about 50~60W more than I ever saw from a 6700K even with a max overclock and Clevo never designed the heat sink for a CPU like this. (In this case I do not blame Clevo for incompetence.)

The temps are identical with the P870DM3 7700K heat sink. It made absolutely no difference in CPU temps. I've ordered some new heat pipes from Digi-Key and I am going to see if I can mod the DM3 heat sink to make it run cool enough for 50x6 24/7.

 

Here is with stock multipliers and stock (default) core voltage. The laptop has been running all day, not with a cold CPU, so the temps are a realistic example. My thermostat is set for 70°F (21°C). Fans are maxed out with FN+1.

Now, same test, without max fans. Minor increase in core temps. I do not have CCC installed, so without FN+1 the fans are borderline non-functional. (I never heard them at all during this Cinebench run. They never ramped up.)

 

Here is what I am going to attempt. Adding two heat pipes to the DM3 heat sink @bloodhawk sent me, where indicated with the green.

If that is successful and the temps are still too high, I may try adding two more heat pipes on top of those already there with a radiator in the area the slave GPU would normally occupy, like this... but only as a last resort.

 

if the DM1 and DM3 heatsinks were the same that would be great

 

I wonder how much different is DM1 to DM3 is? They don't look that different to the naked eye

 

They are functionally the same except for the channel that the DM3's 1080 SLI vapor chamber attaches to. I find no difference in temps using the original DM-G heat sink versus the DM3 heat sink @bloodhawk gave me. The design of the DM3 heat sink is perfectly suited for the mod I am going to attempt. The stock DM-G heat sink, not so much. There's not a clean place to solder additional heat pipes to the radiator on the DM-G heat sink.

 

is the CPU heatsink for the DM1 is THAT different from the DM3?

 

Look at the photo I posted (on the previous page). Everything is the same except the radiator end of the heat sink. The DM3 CPU heat sink has a nice copper channel that the 1080 SLI vapor chamber attaches to, which should make a nice and sturdy copper plate surface for soldering the additional heat pipes. The DM-G heat sink does not have that. They have the same number and size of heat pipes and the cold plate for the CPU is exactly the same. Temps are the same with both stock CPU heat sinks.

The DM3 and KM1 CPU heat sinks are the same.

The TM1 CPU heat sink has more heat pipes, an extra radiator, the pipes are on the CPU side of the cold plate and make direct contact with the IHS. It also will not fit the DM-G, DM3 or KM1. To use the TM1 CPU heat sink you would you'd have to shorten the screw stand-off length and open the notched area on the rear panel next to the CPU heat sink radiator for the extra radiator to have an opening to expel hot air. ( @Prema has a TM1 CPU heat sink on his DM3.)

 

Thanks, for me it's not a problem to make a hardware mod. I have a good rationing skill. I need a @Prema mod so that my workstation can recognize the gtx1080.
When I install @Prema mod and make mod mxm, will work i7 6700k and gtx 980m?

 

Yes, it will still work with 6700K, 7700K, 980 and 980M after the MXM mod and Prema firmware mod.

 

This is excellent! Tell me how can I get @Prema mod for myself? I admire people who are capable of doing incredible things by their own hands, like what you did here.

 

Will it work with the MSI GTX 1070?

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