The ThrottleStop Guide

Thanks! I was surprised to see TS expiration msg. Can't see any of my pc's without this awesome software! Can't live without it!

 

or

you can simply put those as a .txt file

Code:

@echo off
"C:\Program Files\TS_OBSIDIAN\RunAsDate.exe" 02\10\2017 00:00:00 "C:\Program Files\TS_OBSIDIAN\ThrottleStop.exe"
@echo off

then save it as .txt file and rename it to .cmd and Voila! you can put it on the Task Scheduler

Note:- Edit your file location depending to the location of RunAsDate & Throttlestop.

 

+Rep. I have to agree with you. I was appalled by some of the childish comments.

Calling the talent and generosity of geniuses like @unclewebb and @Prema garbage and crappy because things are not going how one thinks they ought to go is a great way to lose all support and get stuck with a broken malfunctioning piece of trash laptop like the manufacturer intended. It's the height of disrespect, entitlement and hautiness, and it needs to stop. It only takes one or two bad apples to spoil the entire barrel, and I'd hate to see everyone screwed based on the selfish vitriol or one or two smartalec kids.

 

Hey bro. I will have an 8700K desktop later today. If you want any help testing for that CPU, please let me know. That way it can be ready for the new Clevo systems that will soon be shipping with that CPU. Thank you for being so awesome and generous.

 

@Mr. Fox I donated to @unclewebb this morning!

 

I'm glad you posted as you did. That is more like what and how I wanted to say it.

 

Don't spoil the good you did by repeating it needlessly...

 

ThrottleStop 8.50
Fox Tornado Edition

- initial Goldmont Apollo Lake support.
- ability to disable notification area icon.
- double click to toggle mini mode option.
- expiry date extended to January 2019.

 

Thank you so much once again @unclewebb !

I went through yesterday with a laptop feeling so slow yet battery life went down to 8 hours.

It think the Falls Creators Update automatically enables Intel Speed Shift; this renders the Minimum/Maximum processor state in Power Settings obsolete.

THen again, I'm on the 17025 Insider build.

 

@Che0063 - If the Fall Creators Update is enabling Speed Shift, you should be able to use ThrottleStop with an EPP setting of 0 to get maximum performance. I am not sure if Windows will keep switching the EPP value or not. You should be able to monitor for that in the FIVR monitoring panel.

Apollo Lake support in the latest edition is in an unfinished state. No time for proper testing so it is probably going to need a tweak or two. I have a helper but if you have one of these CPUs, post some pics of TS if you see anything unusual so I can get it fixed up.

One day late with this release and the forums were lit up with comments that I was "greedy" and an "A Hole". Thanks. I am really feeling the love with comments like that. At least it makes me feel needed.

 

Hmmm, version expired today, tried lots of different versions in win 10 64, no one works now

 

That is sad. Try the version in my signature.

 

Thank you. That worked Googled several times and ended up with 4.48 as latest untill I saw your signature I love throttlestop, great work Much better than XTU which cant change cpu cache to other value than cpu core.

 

Couldn't said this any better myself!! +rep
People should STOP buying junk/support tmanufacturers of the garbage.. Aka the reason people are forced to use tools like ThrottleStop. It's sad, you have to use 3rd party tools like TS for cleaning up the mess!! This link showed should been mandatory reading for everyone... How Dell cripple performance. This is only from one OEM. Sad reading... I know. But people have to do their own Due Dilligence.

Thanks for your amazing work my good Sir @unclewebb. Laptops is equal trash without ThrottleStop / @Prema unlocked firmware. Continue your hard work. People should see their visit time and send big thank to God for this incredible useful tool. Thanks

 

Thank you @unclewebb and @Papusan !

 

Since 8.50 my CPU is not down clocking anymore.

When I set the multipliert to 21 then it clocks to 2.1 Ghz, but when I uncheck the checkbox it just stays at that multiplier.
No matter how high or low the usage it does not up or down clock anymore.
With 8.40 it would adjust the clock according to load.

XPS 15 9550 i7-6700HQ

My .ini is in the attachment.

 

That is what it is supposed to do. When you clear the Set Multiplier box, the CPU is left at whatever multiplier it was previously at. After that, if you are using the Windows Balanced profile, Windows will take over control of your CPU. ThrottleStop has always worked this way.

With a 6th Gen mobile CPU, why not enable Speed Shift and use that? With Speed Shift you can adjust the minimum and maximum multipliers and have it down clock and quickly get back up to full speed when needed. Post some pics if you need some help.

@Mr. Fox - In theory, ThrottleStop should work OK on an 8700K. Look forward to seeing some pics. Hope you don't mind the name of the latest version. Just my way of saying thanks for your contributions at NBR.

 

Hm, weird why it didn't do that before.
Well either way, I have now configured SST and it seems to do a good job. Thank you for your quick response. And thank you for your tool.

 

Can I import my config file from 8.48 to 8.50?

 

Just want to pop by to mention how overwhelmingly positive it is to have such a wondrous tool like ThrottleStop and it does seem like some newer users can be rather outspoken in a less than stellar manner, rather demanding when someone friendly, helpful and plenty skilled does a massive contribution to the IT community as a whole by providing means to mitigate and even completely circumvent a myriad issues that users face due to limitations had, be it by design or flaw, on current, legacy and future computer systems.

As pointed out in previous posts, unclewebb (and anyone, really) has their own matters to tend to and for the most part I've observed this to be a welcoming and appreciative community, with the added user feedback from using ThrottleStop, which is a constructive thing to do that can only help improve the software as a whole. So, for anyone that feels entitled to frantic updated releases, do remember that without ThrottleStop the overall computer usage scenarios would be far more limited, troublesome and dim. And before someone brings up XTU as an alternative, it comes with its fair share of pitfalls, hence why once I first knew of and started using ThrottleStop, I've never looked back and trust it to manage any and every one of my CPUs. As a last note, in the event we reach any given point when the current software version of the time happens to expire, managing (manually or tool-assisted) system clocks works around that, so people are never left in the dark, plus for any older systems that don't directly benefit from newer ThrottleStop features, keep in mind version 6.00 has no expiration date and is the one I'm using flawlessly on a Sandy Bridge laptop without any hitch whatsoever.

So, again, thank you @unclewebb for being a shining beacon of light in the dark CPU times we were forced to live in.

@Chidan You can migrate your .ini file from one version to another and it'll port your settings. For versions that bring fixes and general updates rather than major feature and usability changes that tends to be a safe approach but for major version changes it would be best to jot down your settings and configure them fresh on a potential new version.

 

I thought you accidentally uploaded spl. edition Mr. Fox TS, can I use it?

Like
@tribaljet said, simply decompress TS 8_50 and copy your old ini file from TS_OBSIDIAN to TS8_50 and restart the application.

 

@tribaljet @Vasudev Thank you, copying the ini over did the trick lickety-split.

 

All you really need to do is drop the .exe and .dll files into the old folder. Or hell, I think it's just the .exe that's needed is all.

 

Not at all. In fact, I am humbled. I just saw your post. Will grab it and find out when I get back from my bike ride. Thanks, buddy.

 

@unclewebb when throttle stop reads the CPU clock frequency it shows it in 25mhz steps but other apps show it as just only the set frequency(hw monitor, hw info), which is actually showing the right frequency?

For example

If my CPU is down-clocking from its set 3.8ghz throttle stop shows it as it down-clocking to 3775.41(3.75ghz)~ or thereabouts and sometimes goes back up to the 3812.78(3.8ghz) where as apps such as hw monitor shows it as the frequency going down from 3791ghz(3.8ghz) to 3592 ghz for a split second which is 3.6ghz. Was just wondering which is actually showing the right frequency?(am guessing throttlestop as I noticed hw monitor only shows the 3592ghz if the frequency drops past about 3768ghz(3.76ghz) on throttle stop or thereabouts).

So my hypothesis is that throttlestop shows the exact frequency whereas when the frequency drops below a certain threshold such as 3768ghz as reported by throttlestop, hw monitor shows it as 3592ghz( as the frequency has dropped below the threshold and it counts it as throttling and as such just reports the next lower frequency in the throttling down-clocking frequency chain). I can take a video of it if you need some more description.

Let me know if am correct. Thanks.

 

When it comes to accuracy, on most CPUs, ThrottleStop blows the competition out of the water.

Every time you click on the BCLK button, ThrottleStop takes a split second and calculates the BCLK frequency. Some monitoring apps try to calculate the BCLK continuously. I found that trying to do this continuously only results in error. The actual BCLK a CPU runs at tends to be extremely stable but most users have been brain washed by every other app that shows significant fluctuations in BCLK like +/- 1 MHz. I disagree. When measured properly, I find the BCLK is very stable and hardly varies by +/- 0.0001 MHz. The next version of ThrottleStop should be a little closer to this ideal but TS 8.50 is already pretty good.

As for the multiplier, there are 2 high performance timers in your CPU that run at billions of cycles per second. ThrottleStop uses these timers and a fully documented method recommended by Intel so it can sniff out the slightest hint of throttling. The only negative is that when a CPU is lightly loaded, there is a tiny amount of error in this method. The reported multiplier might vary by +/- 0.05 which is still excellent. When loaded, the error is less than +/- 0.01. That is why ThrottleStop reports the multiplier accurate to 2 significant digits. When a CPU is throttling, ThrottleStop does a great job of precisely showing you that info. There is no competition to this level of accuracy.

Here is an example of my 4700MQ throttling its guts out trying to run Prime95 Small FFTs. During the early part of this test, it is being limited by the PL2 power limit. The multiplier for each of the 8 threads is calculated independently and each thread is showing the exact same thing, 29.18. When a CPU is throttling, it will rapidly switch multipliers hundreds or thousands of times per second. ThrottleStop captures this and reports a very accurate average multiplier during each monitoring interval. The competition, good luck.



This level of accuracy for Apollo Lake is still a work in progress. The BCLK for Apollo Lake looks good but I need to do some more testing to get the multiplier sorted out. Being a little OCD about accuracy is a good thing.

Edit - I just noticed. Intel recommends that PL2 be set 20% higher than PL1 and PL1 should be set to the TDP of the processor which for a 4700MQ is 47 Watts. Add 20% to that and the PL2 limit should be at 56.4 Watts. ThrottleStop reporting that this CPU is throttling along at 56.3 Watts seems about right to me.

 

Thanks for the sharp and detailed reply I guess my hypothesis of throttle stop being more accurate was right after all. Good work and appreciations for such a wonderful application for the community.

 

Seems to be working fine. Sweet! It took on all of the BIOS settings perfectly. @Papusan will be happy to know that as well.

 

Please @unclewebb i have that cpu, the i7 4700mq and it trottles cus it reaches 92 most of the time, i cant play cpu intensive games because it reaches 92 º and starts trottling, please give me some undervolt tips for this cpu, i tried to undervolt -50,-100, but didnt do much, cant u please give me more settings to put on throttlestop?

 

Thanks @Mr. Fox
Seeing some pics makes it far easier for me to see what is working correctly. Everything looks good. Just for your info, I noticed that you have Speed Shift enabled. I am not sure if you did this deliberately or Windows did this to you. If Speed Shift is enabled, it takes over control of your CPU and the Set Multiplier feature will no longer work.

My long term plan is to rearrange things and move Speed Shift control out to the main screen so you will be able to set a different Min and Max multiplier for each profile. That way users will be able to use Speed Shift instead of Set Multiplier for the intermediate profiles. I heard rumors that Microsoft was trying to hide the High Performance profile and maybe enabling Speed Shift whether you want it or not. Best to get ThrottleStop prepared for this.

The 50.00 multiplier looks spot on and the 100.049 MHz BCLK looks correct too. You usually get this on the AUTO bios setting. Asus likes to cheat as much as possible while still being able to say that they are at 100.0 MHz like everyone else. I think if you manually set the BCLK to 100.0 in the bios, TS might report a true 100.000 MHz BCLK speed.

 

If your CPU is getting too hot then fix that problem. Take your laptop apart, clean it up and replace the thermal paste with something better. Under volting can help but it cannot fix a dirty or poorly designed laptop.

 

but can you share me some good undervolt settings for this cpu? apart from messing with voltage on the cache and on cpu and intel gpu, can i do something more? i already cleaned, i got a toshiba, so you may know how ****ed up is ventilation on toshibas, and i will put some thermal paste on the next week. but until then, can you give me some help?

 

maybe if i can get out of the 90º at full load i can play games with no throttle at all, just need to get out of the 90º

 

I have had it running less than 24 hours and forgot to disable SpeedShift Crapnology. I manually set the BCLK to 100.05, but setting it manually to 100 does give a true read.

But, yeah... seems to be working great. I will test setting 4 different OC profiles and voltage controls, etc. and ping you if something does not work right. Thank you for being so awesome, and for ThrottleStop.

 

Read the guide....
How to Lower Temperatures, Stop Throttling, and Increase Battery Life: The ThrottleStop Guide (2017). Same guide as ThrottleStop Primer in @unclewebb 's sig. And remember... No chips is equal!!

Undervolt is the lazy mans work. Half baked solution. And please buy quality thermal paste. Not Mx-4 or other low quality paste.

 

LOVE it!

Edit: He actually sold the Tornado and his latest baby is now called "Trómos".

 

Morning all,

Firstly many thanks for version 8.50 @unclewebb Your continued work in this area is greatly appreciated

I have a couple of quick questions for yourself or anyone else that might be able to help.

1. I have a 6700HQ and I've noticed that despite the individual cores entering a C7 state, the processor package state never goes above C3. Is this normal? or even something I should be concerned about?

2. For at least the last few versions of Throttlestop I have noticed a bug whereas the moment I unplug my machine from AC, Throttlestop immediately crashes. Has anyone else experienced similar behaviour?

 

Just want to say yes I have noticed the bug about throttle stop crashing on the unplug of power connectors but not sure what the cause is.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

 

Don't blame ThottleStop. This problem happens when a person sets up a task in the Task Scheduler and tells Windows to crash ThrottleStop when they switch to battery power. Check out the guide I wrote on page 514.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-514

Head down to item 10) and make sure that is set correctly.

@CraftyClown - Some manufacturers seem to disable the deeper package C States. Not sure why but the package C States often times get blamed for light load stability issues so rather than fix the problem, easier to just disable them and most consumers will never know. Some laptops will only switch to the deeper package C States when you switch to battery power. Check for that.

Should you be concerned? All it means is that your laptop manufacturer is not taking advantage of a power saving feature that Intel has built into their processors. You can try and complain but you will usually get the run around and will be told not to trust 3rd party monitoring apps.

ThrottleStop has no problem reporting package C8, C9 or C10 but very few manufactures seem to be taking advantage of these. I cannot recall seeing a screenshot showing package C9 or package C10.



@Mr. Fox - When I saw your screenshot I got a little worried. First you sold your laptop and now you have started running Speed Shift. I thought, "What's going on here?" Glad everything is OK. Looking forward to seeing some big numbers and zero throttling.

 

Yh your right I just unticked the box stop process when the system is on battery, but before I did that it was greyed out so I thought it was automatically inactive, guess I was wrong. Many thanks

 

No worries. You are not the first person to be tricked by that grayed out option. That's bad design on Microsoft's part.

 

Ask and Thou shalt receive
@unclewebb
@Papusan
@Prema
@Mr. Fox

 

Thanks for updating your software. What's the point of setting up an expiration date?

 

Sometime the manufacture disables the C States or Limiting the C state to C6 or even C3... I think if all other solutions is failed... your only option is to unlock your BIOS... which is risky but worth it

I unlocked my BIOS and I have full control in every single damn thing! and I tweaked every single damn thing! even fan speed I can control it now which is not supported officially at all.
anyway... my laptop model is in my signature, I will show you a screenshot that I enabled my HQ type CPU till C8! ( I can't go over C8 due to it is the maximum setting in my BIOS) before.. it was C3 only like your situation.


This image taken while using Firefox, usually if I keep my PC idle... C8 stats playing around 90~100 %

 

Your bios mod is done by Svelt, correct? See this errata file from Intel applies to all Skylake chips. https://www.intel.com/content/dam/w...s/desktop-6th-gen-core-family-spec-update.pdf
Anything deeper than C7 will affect PCIe Link speed or might cause PCIe link failure briefly.
@unclewebb I noticed Tornado edition feels more slick and faster to show up at startup than older OBSIDIAN version? With TS Bench, I didn't notice any increased heat like AVX2 or LinPack.

 

Hello,
I am new here, but I would like to help regarding the Apollo Lake topic. I have a Chuwi Surbook running a Celeron N3450. CPU is recognized correctly, however FIVR button is missing (I don't know if it is normal). There is no way to change voltages (my main aim is undervolting).
Let me know which screenshot you need.
LD

https://ibb.co/gagWLw
https://ibb.co/hiNtYG

 

Well... I have been using C8 states for over 2 months now... and everything is fine! wifi,bluetooth,usb's,GPU [Modified VBIOS], etc... all that is related to PCIe Link is working like a charm.

if you read more carefully.. it says [It may cause this] but it didn't say [It will cause this] it is not confirmed but it happened but I guess not to me

The VBIOS is modified and made by @Dreamonic from http://voltground.com/haven/ , all credits goes to him , there was no unlocked VBIOS for my model so.. I contacted him and I provided all the information he needed to be able to make a fully unlocked VBIOS after testing, using different kind of settings... when everything got stable and ready to be public he then decided to release it to the public . Thanks to him... I am the first one who got my Asus ROG Laptop GL552vx with VBIOS unlocked

about my BIOS...For your information... because my BIOS file is supported by Aptio FW v5 tool... so it was soo easy to unlock my BIOS menu and everything I modded my BIOS through this tool that I mentioned earlier

 

Maybe he updated the C++ that he is using ?

 

Extremely helpful. Thank you!

 

@THEBOSS619 - I think only the low power U series can use C9 and C10 but it still seems that the majority of manufacturers do not enable these or Windows or some other driver is preventing the CPU from using these C States. I am sure it doesn't make a huge difference but for maximizing battery run time, every little bit adds up.

If I ever decide to sell a commercial version of ThrottleStop, I wouldn't make any money if there was a full featured and free version of ThrottleStop readily available. I have no timeline at the moment for a commercial version and it might not ever happen but I like to keep my options open.

Anyway, the recent one day outage was an eye opener. I instantly became the great Satan. For years I have spent my own money buying new hardware for the sole purpose of helping others. I was trying to add Apollo Lake support to ThrottleStop, not for myself, but for another user. I ran into some problems so I ended up being a day late with the new version. The next morning I had a quick look in the forums only to find out that I am nothing but a greedy a__hole. Really? Some folks are mentally ill.

This is kind of like putting Mother Teresa to work polishing your car. Of course you do not have any intention of paying her. You don't give her anything to eat or drink so she ends up passing out from exhaustion. When you go outside and discover that your car is not done, what do you do, you kick her of course. Get UP!!! Work harder. I don't care if you ran out of wax, use your own money to go buy some. I don't want to hear about your miserable life helping others, just get off the ground and finish working on MY car.

The TS Bench has not been updated in ThrottleStop yet. I ran out of time. See the above rant. If you want to take the higher power consumption / higher heat version out for a test drive, send me a message.

Unfortunately, the register used to access the FIVR settings does not exist in Apollo Lake. I do not know of any way to adjust voltage in these CPUs. All you can do with TS is adjust your turbo power limit much higher. This can significantly improve performance but it doesn't give you any way to reduce heat. Thanks for offering to help but at the moment, with no documentation and no hardware, there is nothing I can do.

Not quite yet.