The ThrottleStop Guide

Great stuff! Glad to see you got it working mate.

Also very interesting to see that yourself, Che0063 and GoNz0 all report the same behaviour on battery and mains with both a 9550 and 9560, therefore my lack of higher C States on mains is confirmed as the anomaly.

Looks like I have some more experimenting to do

 

Where to start!
If you have anything starting with the PC that can mess with the settings like XTU I would disable them.

To be fair this is one of the reasons I have daily incremental backups with Macrium, back out of the poop in under 10 minutes while I make a cuppa

 

Throttlestop is my only startup program that might be affecting things and as you suggested earlier I will be doing some tests without it later on.

I definitely second your Macrium backup plan. I also have mine set up for daily incrementals as the peace of mind it provides is second to none.

 

Rapid delta restore does kick ass, about time winPE supported the wireless side of things, I had to walk into the next room and hook up the USB-C network dongle

 

OK, your screenshot shows that your CPU does support Speed Shift and it is enabled. When SST is green, Speed Shift is enabled. You should be able to go into the TPL window and adjust the CPU multiplier there. Try adjusting the Speed Shift Min and Max options in there.

Intel power consumption data is calculated within the CPU and its only real purpose is to control the turbo boost feature. This data is only an estimation and its accuracy is basically meaningless when a CPU is lightly loaded or idle. This data is not the same as measured power consumption. Definitely not a good idea to try and compare power consumption data between different CPU models or even the same CPU models. It is just a number.

This should work. You need to go into the FIVR window and adjust the maximum Cache Ratio there first. Under FIVR Control click on CPU Cache. Next click on Unlock Adjustable Voltage and at the bottom you should be able to increase the Cache Ratio. After those settings are applied, go under the FIVR monitoring panel to the right and try adjusting the Minimum and Maximum Cache Ratio there. Post some screenshots of the FIVR window if you are still having problems.

 

Thank you @unclewebb its working now. I appreciate.

 

@unclewebb - @Papusan Edition is working fantastic with my 8700K. Thanks so much. I like it a lot. The smaller footprint is a nice improvement as well.

 

I have throttlestop set up to run on task scheduler and for some reason my undervolt doesnt work properly after coming out of sleep. Any idea? (alienware 13 r3)

 

Thx throttlestop for -13C on CPU and -3C on GPU

 

A quick aside unrelated to Throttlestop, you might be able to get some more performance by tightening the timings on your RAM, I managed to get to 15-15-15-32-240-1T, down from a stock CL16 at 2T, tightening up tRFC gave some good improvement if I remember rightly (that's the 240 value). (I don't have Samsung memory modules either, so they're not top overclockers).

 

Only thing that will confuse users is Stop data.
@unclewebb If it was a toggle button saying Monitoring, then its more clear.

 

@Vasudev - Papusan has been asking me to trim some fat off of ThrottleStop for a while, so I did. I had to make a few small sacrifices to keep the foot print size in check. This special version is about 85% as wide and 85% as tall as the regular version. Overall, about 70% as many pixels as compared to before. I am an old man with crappy eyes. On a 15" laptop screen or tablet screen, I prefer the size of the original version. Any comments or thumbs up or down would be appreciated. I might do a public release of this junior version with the art work toned down a little.

I always have lots of ideas but when you do not show me any pictures or show me any evidence of the problem, it is hard for me to start guessing but here goes.

How did you determine that the under volt is not the same after you resume from stand by? Are you also running Intel XTU? Post a before stand by and after stand by screenshot of the entire FIVR window so I can see what the monitoring panel is showing. ThrottleStop is designed to re-apply all voltage settings to the CPU after you resume so it might be a problem with how you have things setup. Did you under volt both the CPU Core and CPU Cache equally? Did you follow the Task Scheduler guide or compare your settings to the guide on page 514 of this thread.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-514

@Mr. Fox - What do you need next, a Fox Tromos version of ThrottleStop for your collection? The color scheme looks like it would blend right in without having to do a major work over like Papusan put me through this week.

 

That would be awesome. Thanks! Yes, the black motif would blend right in perfectly with my color scheme.

 

I will put that on my things to do list for next week.

 

Looks good, including the smaller footprint...

 

Two things. 1 - this throttlestop works great, no problems I've encountered, even used it on a few other peoples' PCs via teamviewer and it's great.

2 - Is there going to be an Ultipower version? Ultimate control, ultimate power! Bwahahahahhahahaahhahahhahahahahahahahhahahaha

Etc.

 

Throttle Stop out of no where says cpu not supported anyway to fix without losing all my settings?

 

Give more information

 

@Mr. Fox Isn't TS binary already very small on disk and on RAM?


Indeed @Papusan version looks very scary on my BGA, I hope it doesn't scare my BGAs.

 

Just under 400K file size for the executable, so yeah. And, being a portable app makes it even more beautiful.

@Papusan's avatar is pretty awesome. It was originally an animated GIF I posted showing the guy vomiting milk because of BGA trash being so disgusting, LOL.

I think we should all be frightened by BGA rather than BGA being frightened of LGA. BGA treatens to utterly destroy everything some of us value about PCs. When you start soldering crap like CPUs and GPUs to motherboards, you're left with nothing but a compromised piece of garbage that is essentially a glorified smartphone. You throw it in the trash when it breaks instead of fixing it. Besides being soldered, the parts themselves are inferior, so it really is a total bastardization of the concept of owning a high quality product.

 

Please Mr. Fox, you're not going far enough. There's "laptops" out there with soldered RAM, soldered SSDs, no expansion slots for storage... Like I have to make sure that people buying Macbooks or wanting to buy them realize they're buying a $3000 disposable thing

 

It's like everything else. You give an inch, and the next thing you know they have taken a mile. Diarrhea flows in whatever direction gravity takes it.

 

I think BGA will stay as long as Apple is in the race. Better option is to enforce a strict 2-3 yr warranty on all products globally w/o any region locks and user replaceable parts for 4-5 years and then we might see better products or LGA will be ruling over BGA.

 

Ask @Papusan about how all products sold in his country over a certain price have to have something like 5 year warranty standard. North America doesn't care to enforce such consumer protection laws. In the UK and EU you can't get less than 2 year warranty on any laptop as far as I know.

 

Personally, I'd buy a Macbook only for those who ask questions like This: Can I install an IDE with only 8GB RAM when ISO is 6-12GB; I payed $2000 on a laptop with 940MX which can play at 1080p at 60 FPS or more, MX is better than GTX since M is after G, correct?; I do have a lot of questions but it will be boring to discuss it here.

 

I know he told me personally. Its very strict and every penny you spend counts. A better deal, I suppose.

 

As long Intel and OEM's continue cripple the performance with throttling... Aka the hardware will throttle down to keep up with the temp... It will hold 5 years and the sellers + OEM's is safe. Below from a nice MSIBOOK with the *high end* 7700HQ

 

With a statistically irrelevant market share--at or near single-digit market share for many years running--I personally think they don't even own a horse to enter into the race. Some consumers are attracted to the thin and light aesthetic and metal chassis and don't know or care about what is on the inside, and that market segment is where their appeal generally resides.

I'd much prefer a system with sockets and slots and no warranty whatsoever as opposed to BGA garbage with a 10-year warranty. Having a long warranty will do nothing to change the fact that these are inferior pop-culture products. BGA has a logical place in low quality, inexpensive technology like kiosks, smartphones and tablets.

 

Hi, thanks for the great app!
I do encounter one small problem, though.

Throttlestop constantly crashes when plugging or unplugging the laptop from the power. Is there anything I can do to prevent that?

 

try different profiles on AC and battery in options button. Also, cgeck tas scheduler properties to see if the app is stopped whilst on battery.

 

Read post #6845. As well the post before.

 

I am using Throttlestop to undervolt i7-7700hq processor in my acer v15 nitro BE laptop. I have specified -0.120V undervolt, turned it on, and ran prime95 stress test. However it has no tangible effect on core temperatures whether I undervolt or not, max temps hit 97C. What am i missing here???

 

Did you select Save Voltages immediately option in FIVR?
7700HQ at -120mV reduced temps by 10-20C.

 

AC is profile 1, battery is profile 4 in TS options. In windows power options its set to High Performance.
I am using a laptop, Acer VN7-593G, or Acer Aspire V15 Nitro Black Edition.

Isn't your version also available for download on techpowerup? How do we know which is the correct version?

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Throttlestop works absolutely flawlessly for me. XTU is buggy as hell. I've now repasted and set up Alienware R3s and R4s 6 times and it's worked great everytime

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Killer cards are awful. I switched to Intel. Btw you can try removing the killer suite and removing all drivers and install the Dell recommended driver from the support site

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I downloaded MSI AB and unlocked the voltage control options in settings (there are two of them). Then I set my own voltage curve using Ctrl+F with Max frequency peaking at about 0.95V (which is much less than the max V of 1.062V (works about about 20W less in real usage terms)

Sorry for multiple posts all!

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@utterbutter - Where are your pics of ThrottleStop while testing including the FIVR window? Show each example so I can see your comparison. Did you under volt both the CPU Core and CPU Cache? You need to do that on a 7700HQ.

Prime95 is an overkill stress test for many laptops. Even with under volting, your CPU may run at max temperature if the cooling solution that Acer went with is inadequate.

 

Hi, I've been using TS for a few days to get "total" control on my i7 4980hq. I am trying to find the best possible values for oc and undervolt. I can not possibly change the VCCIN. the values remain in "lock" mode at 1.750 (I want to put it to 1.800 and more)
Can you help me ? I have a bios modded full unlocked, I may have to change a parameter?
Thank you very much for your help (and your software)

 

First things first:
Provide as many pictures of how you've setup TS so far so that unclewebb can see what's going on.

After you've done the above; help will be forthcoming.

 

These are my screenshots of the Throttlestop window. Thanks.

 

Test with and without undervolt with TS bench - test 1024M (Throttlestops own benchmarks test). Use one profile with undervolt and one with default voltage. Dont forget Turn On TS. Test also with CINEBENCH_R15. This means less heat than if you run P95. To rule out a defective or inadequate cooling capacity.

 

Turn on TS like @Papusan said. In addition to that, disable BD PROCHOT and Speedstep for better performance.

 

The point was to see if undervolt vs. default voltage made a difference in max temp. See @utterbutter's previous posts #6938 Higher performance wasn't the topic.

Edit. Btw +70C with Chrome running is bad. Fix the cooling.

 

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I hope it's enough

 

It seems doing the tweaking through BIOS is the best way, since majority of options appears to be grayed out for you. I think @unclewebb and @D2Ultima had this 49xx series CPUs.

Yeah I know. But I fixed my cousin's HP Omen 15 with 7700HQ & 1050 which was barely usable for GTA V at high settings on 1080p screen. Used to 97C instantly and felt very hot. I didn't have my usual set of screwdriver, paste and thermal pads. So, I decided to give TS a try and UV to -120mV reduced the temps to 65C GTA V with same settings. Now onwards, his friends had the same heat issue on their Dell inspiron and asked me what's best value for UV on i7 7500U and I had to say I don't know, but for safe side 50-60mV will be safe and so far no issues.

 

Can confirm, undervolting or no undervolting running TSBench or Cinebench and temperatures still reach 98C. I did turn on the TS button in the bottom left too. I used profile 1 and 3, profile 1 undervolted to -120mv profile 3 not undervolted.

 

Have you checked in Options where the profile is set based on power source?
Which PC are using? Any model number or name?

 

Follow how high Cpu Package Power go in the monitoring window in ThrottleStop. As well put up Hwinfo64. Same tests and both voltage settings. Post pict.

You have to fix the cooling!! Your main problem. Undervolt is the lazy mans work. And won’t help if the cooling isn’t working as it should.

Said it before. Fix the cooling!! Cinebench shouldn’t push Cpu near 100c. Neither TS Bench.

 

Package Power goes up to 25W with undervolting. Without undervolting its actually abit lower with 24W+. Doesn't make any sense???

 

Wattage (Package Power) can change with clocks vs. voltage (throttling). And please use the Sensors monitoring in Hwinfo64 and TS. Not Hwinfo as pict.

Post picture of scores from Cinebench R15 incl sensor monitoring. The scores should tell everything. Fyi. If 25w is what you get with your max temp. You already know what’s the problem.

 

No I don't get what you mean is 25W high or low? Here's the screenshot of HWinfo sensors while cinebench is running. Im not sure which field I should be taking a screenshot of though. Also screenshot of my cinebench scores

Sorry the previous post is without undervolting. This post's screenshot is with undervolting.

 

Your Cpu’s TDP is 45W. The cooling is <normally> designed to handle 45w Package Power load. But you experience overheating with lot lower power than this.
With undervolt the processor will hold max clocks longer before throttling but still use same wattage (watt = heat). Aka with mentioned undervolt you will still see same max temp in full load. Fix the thermals. Open up, remove old thermal paste + remove dust in fans and grills. Put on new thermal paste (quality paste). Thereafter undervolt your Cpu. Only fix for your problem.