The ThrottleStop Guide

Open hw monitor and post a screenshot of it with the cinebench running. Hw monitor shows vid and from there we can know if the undervolt is actually applied.

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Ok sure here it is:

 

Well yh your cpu does look like it is undervolted so that means either you have really bad pasting, your not getting enough air through the laptop or the dust has clogged the airflow.

So try cleaning it up and repasting with kryonaut if you can. What laptop is that btw?

 

Erm its a Acer Aspire v15 nitro black edition. It's only like 2 months old though. I realised that when I lifted up the laptop at an angle the air vents blow air out stronger. I tried that when running cinebench and still no temperature difference.

 

Whatever undervolt or easy fix like cooling pads etc... This cant’ fix dried out thermal paste / badly executed paste job / use of low quality thermal paste / dust inside the chassis or flawed cooling design. Up to you if you can fix it yourself or call up support. Good luck, .

 

Ok it's done. I don't know why, but i can adjust the VCCIN now...

If i increase the VCCIN to maybe 2 v, it will reduce my power comsuption ?

 

I seem to have an issue where setting my EPP value in TS doesn't affect the CPU. When I look at the FIVR window, the SST EPP value reported is always 127 irrespective of the value I input on the main window. Any ideas on how to fix this?

Edit: Seems to only happen when on battery power, can input what I want when on AC. Am on latest fall update of Windows 10, so no power profiles, but using the power mode slider and setting it to best performance doesn't allow the TS to override. SST EPP in this instance is moved from 127 to 84 in FIVR window. Does anyone know how I can get TS to be able to set the EPP value when on battery?

 

Please repaste the CPU. There's a problem with the heat transfer. It's acting like there is NO paste on the CPU at all.
You can buy grizzly kryonaut, Noctua Nh-1 paste, or Phobya Nanogrease Extreme. Even Gelid paste. But you need to repaste. You see what all of us are saying here. NO laptop should be getting this hot.

 

Did you click save at the bottom left after setting the value?

 

Yep I hit save afterwards, didn't seem to amend the speed step limit. It's weird as it certainly used to work before the windows update. It seems to be something to do with the battery plan. Might need to roll back prior to the update and see if that works.

The battery bar slider has 4 settings - power saver (1/4) and better performance (3/4) set the SST in FIVR to 127, better battery (3/4) 2/4 sets it to 178 and best performance (4/4) sets it to 84. As I said, when plugged in I can set the SST on the main screen and that is what is present on the FIVR window

 

Preliminary use indicates that this tool is great....using the ACER V3-571G i5-3210M with the GT630M...
I put it on min power and it runs cool at 47C; is this temp high or low? For basic web browsing

However, it doesnt seem to detect the GPU temp?

Is there a definitive guide for the new version?

I do want to remove throttle BUT maintain low voltage...

thanks for this great tool

PS. has anyone tried it on the Intel "Y" CPUs? as in the Toshiba Portege Z10t-A?

 

GPU temperature reporting is only available if the Nvidia driver you are using supports this. What driver version are you using and did you click on the ThrottleStop - Options - Nvidia GPU box? Software control of voltage is not possible with 3rd Generation Intel CPUs. TS supports the Portégé. I do not own one of these so without any ThrottleStop pictures, it is anyone's guess what features are available. You might be able to play with the power limits if they are left unlocked by your bios. A Core i3 does not use turbo boost so your options to change anything of importance might be limited. If your CPU is not thermal throttling and your laptop is not burning through your lap then you can pretty much ignore your CPU temperature.

@JamieAshbourne999 - The ThrottleStop Speed Shift feature was originally developed before the latest version of Windows 10 existed. It sounds like the Fall Creator's Update is adjusting the Speed Shift EPP register more often than ThrottleStop does. I do not own a laptop with this version of Windows or a laptop that supports Speed Shift so it might be a while before a fix is available. The recent "how to crack" ThrottleStop piracy thread on TechPowerUp has me debating further development of ThrottleStop.

@NGX83 - Thanks for the pics. As soon as you enable the PowerCut feature, VCCIN will become locked within the processor. PowerCut takes advantage of a bug that was in the early 4th Gen CPUs. I think Intel fixed this bug before the 4980HQ was released. Best to avoid PowerCut until you fully understand it.

Increasing the VCCIN can reduce the reported power consumption but I am pretty sure that doing this will increase the actual power consumption. The result; your CPU will run hotter. Setting VCCIN too high might also be harmful to the long term health of your CPU. I have no idea if using a Static or fixed CPU voltage combined with a negative offset cache voltage will work with your CPU. ThrottleStop lets you adjust various voltages but the CPU might decide to ignore your request if your request is not supported. You will have to do some testing to try and prove this. My not so scientific way of testing is to lower the core or cache voltage or offset voltage sliders significantly. If your computer crashes with a BSOD or similar, then I guess voltage adjustment is working. You can also go the other way. If the CPU is under load and bumping up the voltage slider makes the CPU temperature go higher then that also proves that voltage control is working. Looks like your CPU also supports overclocking. If you intend to overclock, probably best to do this first before wasting too much time testing voltages at a CPU speed that you do not intend to run at.

@utterbutter - Your CPU is overheating. That is either terrible design or a problem with the heatsink attachment or thermal paste. You need to fix that problem. Under volting is like pumping air into a flat tire. It is not going to fix the actual problem.

 

That must be very frustrating @unclewebb and I am sorry to hear that. The pirate threads should be removed by admin at TechPowerUp.

I am grateful for your efforts with the software as it has taught me a lot about personal computer design and operation. It also significantly boosts the performance of my laptop. Thanks again.

 

Hi the Portege Z10t-A has an i5-4210Y, not sure what generation it is?

Also the GPU Temp is listed on the system tray just NOT in the program interface....

The nvidia driver is the latest
388.13-notebook-win10-64bit-international-whql

cheers, hope it helps

PS. is there a definitive guide? The only thing i have done is click on MIN POWER, and that locks it in at 3.6W, keeping the fans running more than usual at low revs, and power up when needed, meaning, the fans dont idle, but the system is cooler (it seems) and fan doesnt need to go full tilt urgently to remove spike in heat...

ALSO, i dont understand the buttons if the BUTTON says TURN OFF...that means it ON, right? LOL

ALSO, that MIN POWER settings is not saveable?

 

The 4 in 4210 means it is a 4th Gen CPU so ThrottleStop should be able to control the CPU voltage and lots of other stuff.

If you find a bug like this then it really helps if you post a picture of ThrottleStop with the Options window opened up so I can have a look.

This is a sign that I really need to do a better job designing this stuff. When it says Min Power, ThrottleStop is showing you what the Minimum Power consumption was. When it says Max Power, it is showing you what the Maximum Power consumption was. When it says, Package Power, it is showing you the current power consumption. Clicking on this button does not change your power consumption in any way, it only changes what is being reported. If this is the first time you have used ThrottleStop, it would be a good idea to spend a week or two with it, so you can learn what various settings do. If you need a definitive guide, ThrottleStop might not be the program for you. It is more of a learn as you go kind of program and it definitely takes a while to learn it all.

Thanks pressing. I know a lot of users appreciate my efforts but it really helps to hear that once in a while. That does far more to motivate me compared to the negative stuff that happened when ThrottleStop expired for a day. I have some good news to report. Going forward, no more expiring ThrottleStop versions will be released. Too many hassles. The next version will be based on the slightly smaller version that I have been working on for Papusan and Mr. Fox. It should be ready by the end of the month.

 

Thanks for your reply @unclewebb, I figured as much. Hopefully there will be an update in the not too distant future! It's a great tool btw

 

Thank you Unclewebb!!

 

Thanks a lot for the informations, realy appreciated ! During this day, i try a lot to fix the temp and the power, this cpu his too hot in factory preset.
I don't want to overclock anymore. I put now 3.8 GHZ on all 4 core, VCCIN = 1.75V ( defaut), and vcore set to adaptative on -105.5mv ( crash with higher vallue)
On TS bench, the cpu can run with 100% load at 3.8 GHZ during few times -> 60W TDP ( very good btw) and 80°c max. Then, it goes to his limit, 47w, and can run at 3.6 GHZ....
I'm pretty happy with this settings, your software is very powerfull, and very friendly to use ( i hate bios, and intel xtu).
BTW; before i use your soft' , in GTA5 when i played, i saw the cpu frenquency drop down to 1500MHZ ( wtf???) and my fps drop to 10-15 fps....
With TS, i just have to tick set multiplier to force the cpu at 3.8GHZ, and it works... Throttlestop !
Thanks again man, with your soft', we can use this true piece of **** cpu like we want !

 

@unclewebb - between the Tornado, @Papusan and Trómos Editions of ThrottleStop, I don't know what to say other than a huge thank you. I love it, bro. Looks amazing!

I sent you a token of my appreciation via PayPal to let you know how serious I am about it, too. As you can see below, it's working fantastically.

Windows 7 Ultimate x64

Windows 10 Enterprise N 2016 LTSB

 

Looks good @Mr. Fox

That makes it easier for me to see what needs to be tweaked when people take the time to post some pictures of ThrottleStop. Work on the next public release begins tomorrow.

 

Thanks @unclewebb for this amazing tool. I really like my new custom TS Papusan Edition (BGA KILLER) with shrinked size. And it works excellent as usual

And not too shabby Bench score from a Turd. Sorry I meant from real hardware. + the Package Power Consumption feature is very useful. Nice, having the possibility to go back and see how much power was pulled in bench afterwards. Hwinfo or XTU is useful, but nothing compared to software who almost dont eat clock cycles.

Also features like that you can switch between the different power profiles with simple key command is very useful. Yees, ThrottleStop is a BIG must even with fully unlocked firmware!! A new donation is on the way. But I would send a new one, regardless of this new custom TS version. Again Huge Thank you very much, for making this type useful software

 

Hi @unclewebb ! Im trying to undervolt 7700HQ and ive noticed that program wont drop cpu voltage offset below -120. I can set anything like -150, -180 but it just doesnt work.. Im checking with HWINFO and clearly see voltage drop while im gong from 0 to -20 -40 -80 -120, etc but nothing happens after -120 .. With XTU i have no problem to do that and my CPU is OK to handle -170 but undervolting wont stick after sleep\wake up cycle with XTU ) Please advice !

 

What can I say, mouth-watering PC specs that cools brilliantly. 29C at 5GHz??? Unbelievable cooling. Is it Winter there?
You can enable SpeedShift = 0 instead of 128 and you will see your CPU transitioning between 4-5 different states of 5GHz, I think a modest increase of 3MHz with SST turned on, be sure to turn off EIST or SpeedStep. One thing I noticed yesterday while testing if SST is turned ON, the CPU will transition very fast between each clock rates w/o any latency or delay observed on TS GUI. Mind you, SST on a CPU acts like a mind of its own.
@unclewebb Will TS 8.50 be deprecated within a month for new releases of Papusan's bga edition and Mr Fox's Tromos edition?
I'd like to see T Sense ON and TSense OFF on Stop Data to give a feeling that TS senses Throttles and sensors info. Maybe NBR members can wait for Unclewebb Developer Edition of TS that gives a feeling that, every TS users is a minor contributor to TS directly or indirectly.

 

Doesn't matter as the 7700HQ is unstable above -120mv.

Also you may be able to input some outrageous factors into XTU but the system will just ignore them or quickly reset them.

If you do some research on the nbr and Reddit sites for 7700HQ, you will see that stable undervolts rarely get more aggressive than -120mv. Some people try but soon revert to -120mv or -110mv. No way your 7700HQ will be stable on reasonable benchmarks and games for any time. The 7700HQ is an older design that Intel basicly overclocked slightly and renamed for marketing purposes. So voltage & thermal headroom is very low.

With undervolts above say -120mv, you will see system instability, black screens, unexpected errors, factor resetting. I have seen a dozen or so people here with the unexpected behaviour. I experienced it also on the Dell XPS 9560 7700HQ.

 

I think @Mr. Fox and @Papusan are running with c-states disabled in BIOS. Thus SpeedStep (EIST) and SpeedShift (SST) are both disabled.

Some clues are their prior posts, the fact that the ThrottleStop window does not show "SST" in green, fact that FID are all flat out at 52 and 51 (!), respectively. . .

 

Yes, I almost always have c-states disabled. I want my CPU to run like a car with a manual transmission. It stays in whatever gear I put it in and remains there until I change it.

 

So, disabling C states on desktop chips doesn't cause the frequency to lock up at lower frequency like BGA, correct?

 

It is if you believe the calendar. Contrary to the belief of some of the natives, it is never winter in Phoenix. At least not based on the weather. They can call it winter all they want to, but I'm sorry... 80°F is NOT winter. Winters here are what I would consider to be a perfect summer, LOL. I really miss everything being frozen for a month or two. That said, my house is climate controlled and 70°F 24/7 * 365.

That's correct. I have been disabling c-states since 2920XM and never had any issue with it being disabled on mobile chips either. But, none of them were BGA. With c-states disabled, there should seldom, if ever, be a lower frequency. It should run at full turbo clocks 24/7, even if CPU usage is 0%. That's one of the reasons I like c-states disabled.

 

Climate controlled?
I thought older XM models were BGA with no limits at all?

 

No, mobile Extreme processors have never been BGA. Neither were most of the non-Extreme. QM and XM were never soldered filth chips. They started slipping us a mickey with HQ BGA trash during the Haswell era and the dark smelly water has been circling the drain ever since. The better notebooks still had socketed Haswell MQ and MX processors, then after those were gone there were no longer any "better notebooks" made except for Clevo and the lonely little MSI 16L13.

Climate Controlled is a $50 fancy-schmancy word that means the same thing as air conditioned. My air conditioning runs all year. There is never a reason to turn on the heat. It's never cold enough to need it, and when it is colder than 70°F outside (which is unfortunately rare) the air conditioning doesn't turn itself on.

 

So electricity will be expensive, correct? If you were in India the AC will be On everyday 24x7 because of high ambient as you are aware of. So, older Alienware still pack quite a pack.

 

Yes on the expensive electric bill. We are having solar power installed on our house this week, so that will help offset some of the cost. Yeah, Alienwares packed quite a punch before the BGA days.

 

@Serge_raccoon - When you are under volting with XTU and you set -170 mV, does HWiNFO report that correctly? Does the monitoring panel in the ThrottleStop FIVR window show that correctly? Can you post a screenshot of the ThrottleStop - FIVR window so I can have a look at your settings?

@Papusan - Always great to see a CPU running like Intel intended it to run. All this throttling nonsense was added by Intel to keep individual manufacturers, Intel's corporate customers, happy. Full speed without any throttling or over heating. Amazing what is possible when a device is designed properly.

@Vasudev - TS 8.50 is good until the end of next year so I have plenty of time to work on the next version. The Papusan and Mr. Fox editions are for their personal use. Maybe I will include an option for you so you can change the label on the Stop Data button and call it whatever you like. ThrottleStop has always included a wide variety of features based on user requests. I did not dream all this stuff up by myself.

 

I noticed that some of the latest versions of Windows 10 has a new feature. Various boxes in ThrottleStop will magically disappear.



If you see this happening, there is nothing I can do about it. ThrottleStop works fine in the official Windows 10 Fall Creator's Update so switch to that if you need ThrottleStop. The picture almost looks like Microsoft is going to start choosing what options you will be allowed to click on. Power Saving - Good, everything else - Bad.

 

Does that odd bug affects Creators update aka Redstone 2?

 

I have my acer nitro v15 for like 10 days and it works dead stable with any sorts of load with -160, daily use, games, prime95 + furmark. system doesnt ignore or reset anything , i set -160 and i see it in hwinfo during the day but once i reboot or put it to sleep its gone, i have to open XTU and reapply settings. it crashes instantly under load with -180 and becomes occasionally unstable with -170. ThrottleStop + task manager keep undervolting just fine but like you said, laptop ignores anything after -120 with TS. What i clearly see is that laptop cooling sys isnt efficient enough for that cpu+gpu, its pretty much flimsy and lightweight imho. with stock paste + voltage and prime + furmark both cpu and gpu hit 97-98 in like 2-3 min and then all the throttling is here. with -160 and conductonaut liquid metal upgrade both are around 83-86 after 30 min of stress testing, stable, no throttling at all. with just prime load on cpu i see 75-77 degrees which is roughly -20 degrees drop with undervolting and liquid metal ! cpu temp diff between -120 and -160 is around 2-3 degrees so id like to undervolt it as low as possible.

 

@unclewebb yes, both hwinfo and TS see the voltage set with XTU, i disabled turbo to avoid those jumps in voltage to see it easily and voltage drops when i go with XTC and just freezes at -120 point when i go with TS. more to say, i double checked that with 3 10 min cpu stress tests and can see 2-3 degrees difference in temp between -120 and -160. i didnt touch any settings in your program, everything is set by default, just checked unlock voltage box, set 250mv range and play within it.

 

@Serge_raccoon - As I said, post some pictures so I can start working on this problem you have found. A 2 or 3 degree difference during a stress test in a laptop is fairly insignificant.

That bug started showing up after the Fall Creator's Update - Redstone 3. I jumped off the fast ring so I do not plan to test Redstone 4 until after it is released. There are a few programs besides ThrottleStop where the check box options have disappeared.

 

here you go.

stock_noturbo_idle


-120_TS_noturbo_idle



-160_TS_noturbo_idle



-160_XTU_noturbo_idle

 

@Serge_raccoon - When using ThrottleStop, the CPU Core and CPU Cache have to be set to the same value. Intel XTU sets these equally for you automatically. The advantage ThrottleStop gives you is that with some CPUs, you can set the CPU Cache offset lower than the CPU Core offset for some further power and heat savings. You cannot do that in XTU.

Your third screenshot shows Core at -0.1602 while the Cache is offset to -0.1201. The CPU will ignore this setting because the Cache offset has to be set lower or equal to the Core.

 

That is a popular issue from an excessive undervolt. Do a search and you will find others with aggressively undervolted 7700HQ with same problem.

 

@pressing - I think that is just an XTU feature. It can take a LONG, LONG time to reapply voltage settings after you boot up or resume. It takes so long sometimes that users think that it is not working. In some cases, maybe it is not working. You can sit and wait for XTU or you can run ThrottleStop. It immediately applies voltage settings upon start or resume. Once he gets TS set up correctly, he should have no problem using the same under volt that XTU sometimes gives him.

 

woohooooo !! you are the best ))) Thank you very very much, it works now !

doesnt matter what kind of settings i use with XTU, -50 or -150, most of times it survives reboot but every time i put laptop to sleep or hibernation the voltage is back to stock after wake up. i ive seen ppl solved that with scripts but i just dont want to mess with it. With TS i just need to keep it running in background and it always works fine and with my desired setting achieved its simply the best now !!!

 

Tbh it looks more like a glitch for me. Ive discovered that voltage is back to stock in like an hr or so after i woke it up. So i assume it not just takes LOOONG it just doesnt work at all. I like XTU design , monitoring, built in stress test but main undervolting functionality is affected. TS is very simple and convenient, just set what you need, add autorun task and you are good in just a couple clicks.

Looks like im 7700 undervolt record holder with -160. most of ppl stopped with 110-125. Ill make further testing during this week and will post if i had any stability issues with it.

 

You are welcome. Now if I can just get everyone else to post some pictures when they are having problems. It makes it so much easier for me to find out what is going on.

I was just trying to be nice to XTU. I keep thinking that they must have fixed that problem by now but it doesn't seem like it. XTU looks nice but it is not much use if you are never sure if your under volt has been applied or not.

Now you will have to do some more testing. Can you set the Cache offset voltage lower in ThrottleStop and can you prove that it makes any difference in terms of heat or power consumption. A long time ago I tried to lock the CPU Core and CPU Cache adjustments together just like XTU does it and users promptly screamed at me. NO! Don't do it. Leave these separate, so I did. I think what is possible really depends on the CPU. I am not sure if all CPUs will benefit from lower Cache offset voltage but some sure seem to.

 

after a hr of testing i dont see any noticeable temp drop with cache undervolting lower than cores. same 72-74C under load. dont listen to some nerds, just tether cache and cores voltage offset and we are good.

 

I think it is just the HQ processors that have Core and Cache voltage linked together like Siamese twins. You might have to upgrade to a laptop with a K series CPU to take advantage of this feature.

Another test would be to keep dropping the Cache offset voltage down to a crazy number like -250 mV or -500 mV. If your computer crashes with a BSOD, that confirms that it works. If your computer never starts again, it wasn't me that suggested you give this a try. Learning by trial and error can be a painful process. You might not notice any significant difference in temperature or power consumption if the cache is not that power hungry.

I switched ThrottleStop over to a more modern version of Visual Studio today. Only found a few minor issues that have all been solved. It came together quicker than I thought it would. Should have done this years ago but I always avoid fixing things that are not completely broken.

 

I have said this several times now... Why should I use features mostly intended for thin and flimsy? My last reply regarding this “amazing” feature.

And many many more than us. Not everyone jump on all sorts of power savings features. You have probably seen Fall update... Micro$haft changed power options in their cartoon OS to push people’s hardware on power saving... Mind you, They design and develope their newest OS more for own hardware, tablet/phones/thin and flimsy now, not for "real" computers.

Exactly(see above).

Micro$oft follow the trend as well with their newest OS. Maybe because they design/develope own trash? And much more will come...

Never seen this one before with (Fall Fail Update).

 

@unclewebb

Regarding throttlestop support on HCC CPUs, there is currently a C0% issue that I am experiencing on my 7980XE and I see that the turboboost core counts are still stuck at 8. Is there any plans to update it to support up to 18 core CPUs? If there is, I would be more than happy to help with the process.

Thanks
Tgipier

 

Thanks for the offer to help. I have no plans to buy a HCC system so I will not be updating ThrottleStop to properly handle these.