The ThrottleStop Guide

Re-check the BIOS to be sure that overclocking has not accidentally flipped itself to "Disable" because that will prevent ThrottleStop from changing the multipliers.

It is because your OEM has locked you out of the BIOS, with no read or write access. Isn't that special? A tragic sign of the times... Oh, the evil that men do! Makes me furious. It's just flat-out wrong, six ways to Sunday. You will need special software tools to get past that because of these clowns and their wickedness.

I noticed in your log file...

Code:

DMI BIOS 
    vendor            Insyde Corp.
    version            V1.11
    date            05/09/2016
    ROM size        8192 KB

The prr2 tool @svl7 used for flashing the BIOS on the M18xR2 might work to give you read/write access. It was specifically for Insyde BIOS. Without it we would see the same error message. You have to boot from DOS to use it. You run the prr2 tool before the FPT Tool. Should see a message something like "ready for flashing" then run FPT_DOS. Your BIOS might be too new for it to circumvent read/write protection, but it's still worth a shot.

 

The CPU-Z report unfortunately lacks 0xE2 readouts. You can try with unclewebb's MSR Tool: http://www.mediafire.com/?myjkxzkzzmd

I can see however a lock bit set in 0x194.

 

Hey guys, have a rather basic question on throttlestop and the latest Windows Creator Update (Ver 1709 Build 16299.64). So the latest windows power management module have sliders instead of those profiles styles of old, so there is only a single profile (Balanced). I have set the min and max for CPU in the profile to 100% for both battery and plugged in. Also, I have set things such as maximum power savings for PCI Express Link State and Wireless etc for battery in this profile. My questions are:

1) The sliders Best Battery Life to Maximum Performance, does it only affect the CPU Throttling or does it affect other settings that I set in the Balanced Profile for battery?
2) For throttlestop SpeedShift to run properly, do I set the slider to Maximum Performance?
3) If I do so, what will happen to the other settings I set to maximise battery life? Such as Wireless Adapter Settings --> Power Saving Mode and PCI Express Link State Management. Will whatever I set for battery in the Balanced profile remains or will it change according to the slider?

I have attached an extract from powercfg -query in case anyone needs.

Thanks in advance!

 

Try this batch script as in this link. Save the code in this link as a bat file and run it as admin. https://gist.github.com/theultramage/cbdfdbb733d4a5b7d2669a6255b4b94b
You might tweak the hidden options for reducing power consumption.

 

Thanks for that. Now there are a lot more options.
But that also means I don't know what changes I should perform and not perform that will affect throttlestop functionalities. Most of the options are ok, only the ones in the Processor Power Management side might need a bit of help. Which changes should I affect to ensure that throttlestop maintains controls of the CPU regardless of the sliders position in the Windows Power Options?

I guess it goes back to my 3 questions I had in my earlier posts As unlike the previous profile based management, this new slider style give me a lot less visibility of what will change if I move the sliders.

1) The sliders Best Battery Life to Maximum Performance, does it only affect the CPU Throttling or does it affect other settings that I set in the Balanced Profile for battery?
2) For throttlestop SpeedShift to run properly, do I set the slider to Maximum Performance?
3) If I do so, what will happen to the other settings I set to maximise battery life? Such as Wireless Adapter Settings --> Power Saving Mode and PCI Express Link State Management. Will whatever I set for battery in the Balanced profile remains or will it change according to the slider?

 

Truth be told, I haven't fiddled with that sliders in FCU because I didn't upgrade.
I'd say control most things using TS.
As for wireless power savings, if you have Killer/Qualcomm cards they don't play nice with power save so refrain from changing anything. I'd say stick with Balanced Power profile on AC and Better/Max battery life when on battery.
If you Speedshift value to 0 then it will go into aggressive performance and 255 will be most power savings mode. I usually set it to 128.

 

Hey @Che0063
Did Mr Fox's file work for you?

 

Personally I'm not too fussed about the removal of power plans. The power slider is only available on 6+th gen Intel Core CPU's so I assume it has something to do with Intel SST settings. There is a power throttling scheme but I have never seen any effect on my system.

ThrottleStop automatically overrides any Windows setting. There is no need to set Min/Max processor speeds. SST overrides this.

There is no way for sure which settings improve battery life. You have to fiddle with settings yourself. Every computer is different.

 

@Mr. Fox I tried this method with BIOSMODS. https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-REQUEST-Acer-Aspire-VN7-791G?pid=90017#pid90017

But oh of course! That only works with the VN7-571 Series! My VN7-572 is one generation newer!

I get a lock message. Great. Reading more threads from the same website, Skylake Aspire V Nitros have all sorts of lock features. The ONLY way to do so is to physically get access to the BIOS chip

Even then, one user had difficulties modding the bios. When he finally flashed a successful image he had all sorts of side effects.

@Falkentyne I'm finishing my final days of school. I don't have time to do this yet, but I will try next week

@villahed94 Thanks for the help. There are all sorts of locks on my BIOS.

I don't have the required tools for flashing my BIOS, or recovering my BIOS if something occurs. I'll have to be careful, because Intel FPT will happily erase my BIOS if I let it.

 

Hello unclewebb!

Is it possible that the Speedshift feature will not work with eh i7 8650u in the Surface Book 2?

Thx for you answer.

Best regards

phila

 

I thought it did? Have you tried? Maybe you'll be a lucky bunny who has Windows automatically enable SST for you. Never worked for me.

The 8th gen Core CPU's support SST

 

That is the best way anyhow. Much safer than software flash programs, and you have a solid escape route. Get yourself a TL866A or SkyPro SPI flash programmer and an alligator clip. You can find them pretty cheap on eBay. Take a dump from your stock BIOS and save it in case you ever need it for recovery. Then do your modding and flash whatever you want on the chip with the programmer. If it doesn't boot, you've got your stock BIOS dump you can put back on the chip.

We can and should despise all of the OEM/ODM control freaks for what they are and their despicable behavior, but getting pushed into a corner and learning how to swing a bigger hammer will make us all better people for having to resort to that. No more bricks from bad flashes is a good thing. Going for the head shot and taking no prisoners when the OEM/ODM goons declare war on consumers and their freedom to do as they wish with their personal property is even better. The important thing is to always save the stock BIOS dump.

 

intel secure boot have drm on chipset that verifies bios when booting

only way is to mod bios -> solder on new chipset that hasn't had the secure boot tripped -> flash mod bios

flashing security bios again will trip chipset drm again

 

Secure Boot or Secure Flash? You mean Secure Flash, right? (I haven't seen Secure Boot do this unless it is some piece of garbage that does not allow Secure Boot to be disabled.) Is that only Insyde BIOS that has that crapola?

 

sorry I mean boot guard

it's a drm to manage bios integrity


is on top of the secure flash

 

The i7-8650U supports Speed Shift.

https://ark.intel.com/products/124968/Intel-Core-i7-8650U-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz

The only problem that might occur is if Windows 10 interferes with the Energy Performance Preference (EPP) setting. ThrottleStop and Windows might get into a fight over who gets to control your CPU speed and at the moment, I think Windows might win. ThrottleStop 8.60 will keep a closer eye on this register to try to make it a fair fight.

If you are having a specific problem, post some screenshots so I can have a look at how you have Speed Shift setup and include a picture of the monitoring table in the FIVR window. The FIVR - EPP value is the value that the CPU is currently using.

 

can we actually customize the TDP Level like in Windows' power options? (like from 15W @2.7GHz to 7W @0.8GHz,...)

 

Hi, I apologize in advance if it's a stupid question.

is it possible to unlock the overclock settings on macbook pro 15" 2017 ? it has 7700hq and i am able to undervolt -150 on core and cache with no problem but i am wondering if it's possible to overclock

also if there is and recommended settings to improve performance

 

7700HQ is fully locked and not overclockable.
On MBP, TS on windows might not work 100% because of firmware limits set by Apple. -150mV is very good value.

 

you mean it's fully locked by intel and not by apple?

 

clocks are locked by Intel on 7700hq

 

And on top of this, often crippled further by the OEM's software/firmware developed with great help from intel.

 

Now if only we can get back to throttlestop and not lamenting the state of hardware quality assurances?

If i start TS as a task, why DONT i have the temp's on the task bar please !!

 

If you are still having problems, why not throw me a bone and post some pics of exactly how you have your task setup. Post a picture of the first 5 tabs. I asked you to post some pics 2 weeks ago and I am still waiting.

Did you read this guide yet?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-514

 

can I have some Power Limit 1 cornflakes for breakfast, a lunch sandwich of PECI Embedded Controllers with a side of throttling juice, and a dinner of Prochot steaks, mixed with MMIO sauce and MSR flavored ice cream for dessert @unclewebb @Papusan ?

 

@villahed94

I ran Unclewebb's MSR tool and here is the 0xE2 read:



For the 0x194, I do remember reading somewhere that 1 indicated some sort of a lock feature...


@Mr. Fox @Falkentyne I'm about to boot into DOS and the files. I hope I don't run into some stupid error unrelated to FTP

 

@Falkentyne @Mr. Fox @villahed94 I'm back!!! With... uh... mixed results.





I booted into FreeDOS via a USB created by Rufus.


The prr2 tool didn't work. That was disappointing but to be expected. The tool was for MX18x R2, and that was with 3rd gen Core and Geforce 6xxM GPUs. How far have we come today? 5 years for people to dream up ways to force users to waste time. Danger report, anyone?

The included Flash Programming Tool didn't work either. I'd seen Error 201 and I think it was because of a wrong version of FPT. Anyway I rebooted into Windows 10 and swapped out the files. All versions of FPT except one gave me Error 201. To be precise, the only version that worked was Intel CSME System Tools v11 r6.

Aaaaandd it's a miracle! PPR2 still didn't work, but FPT, with the correct fparts.txt file, managed to successfully make a BIOS Dump via the included BACKUP.BAT file (fpt.exe -d BiosBackup.bin -bios)

Here is the file:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApAVjxZr-dQ_ge8o_TsKNZRB4SQ9Nw

One thing to note that running (fpt.exe -d Bios.bin) still gave me this: It seems that the extra -d is required...

 

Nonono, you need fpt.exe -d Bios.bin -bios

You forgot the -bios.

If you do fpt -d bios.bin, it tries to dump the ENTIRE bios region, which includes ME firmware and other things (sometimes EC also), and the ME might be protected from such access. Thus that is why you get that error. If you do FPT -D Bios.bin -bios, you only access the actual APTIO capsule. There may be other parts that are accessed as well, but the ME is not accessed.

I got the same error when I tried to backup my .31B GT73VR Bios with FPTW64 (i used the w64 version) -d yesterday. It gave me that error.
When I put the -bios command after, I told it i ONLY wanted to include the Bios region only, then it worked without an error.

 

Oops.

Maybe I didn't need to go through the bother of going into DOS...

Anyway the BIOSBACK.rar file at https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApAVjxZr-dQ_ge8o_TsKNZRB4SQ9Nw only contains BIOSBACK.BIN, which is fpt.exe -d Bios.bin -bios
It is only about 6MB

 

What exactly were you trying to do anyway?
Were you trying to unlock Bios options by using AMIBCP?

 

Only to provide a BIOS dump for @villahed94

 

Oh that must have been a few pages back. Probably didn't pay much attention to it. I assume you guys have the exact same motherboard model then.

 

I once used "Universal BIOS Backup ToolKit 2.0" to easily extract bios files from inside windows, worked flawlessly and I recommend it. I can supply the file if you need it.

 

Windows 10 LTSB N x64, Btw not detecting the nvidia nvs 4200M on Lenovo Thinkpad T420 or T520

 

In First image use Windows 10 as configure option.
In second picture Capture2.png edit the trigger to start the app at system logon for successful startup of TS.

 

@justmex - Here is step 7) in the guide.

If you want temperature icons in the notification area / system tray, you need to have access to the user interface. Make sure that item is checked.

The configure for Vista, Windows Server 2008 option does not seem to be important. I am running Windows 10 and I have the Task Scheduler set to Vista, Windows Server 2008 and ThrottleStop starts fine. I am not 100% sure what this option does. Changing this option might delay or speed up when a task starts. I have never found a need to play with this option.

On the Conditions tab, make sure those options that are grayed out are not checked. Read step 10) in the guide.

ThrottleStop gets GPU temperature information from the driver. I have the Nvidia 385.41 driver installed on my Lenovo Y510P and ThrotttleStop has no problem reading the GPU temperature. In the ThrottleStop - Options window, if you click on Nvidia GPU and the box grays out and becomes locked, that means ThrottleStop was not able to access your Nvidia GPU or you do not have an Nvidia GPU. This might happen if you are using an old driver or the default Windows supplied driver. In this case, ThrottleStop will not have access to your GPU temperature data. Go here to install the latest Nvidia drivers:

http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx

 

Throttle Stop doesn't really doo that much on my Intel Atom Z3735F (similar to the Z3735D) but I can't get it above multiplier 19 (1.55ghz). There is plenty of thermal headroom (like under full load it is 60c). What I have noticed however is that when under gpuu and cpu load the chip can throttle either one when it is below throttle point, like 70c it starts to throttle.
Multiplier 22 takes 0.610V but TS can't go that high on the VID, dialing in 22 doesn't do anything (it just sits at 19 all day long).
It would be nice to get that extra performance, sometimes it does do it on its own but maybe only a small burst on a core or so. Like HWinfo's Max shows it to get there. But it just doesn't sustain.
Another weird thing I have noticed is that sometimes the bus clock goes to 111 from 83mhz this causes the RTC to not work properly and so you have to keep resetting the time (it slips slowly). I need to take a benchmark on that hough as some programs say it is at 1.55 some at 2.1ghz so it is confusing. These baytrail tablets

 

Sounds like it is probably working as intended as far as the multipliers go. Only so much you can do with locked down hardware unfortunately. Perhaps the FSB clock drops down to save extra power with the assumption it will resynchronize the clock with Window's Time Service next time it wakes up?

I will be interested to hear what more experienced users have to say about your particular case.

 

@Michael Flatman - The core temperature is not usually a limiting factor for these tablets. Most of the throttling is caused by power consumption. The maximum amount of power consumption is shared between the Intel CPU and Intel GPU. When both are being utilized at the same time, they will both throttle to stay within the power budget. ThrottleStop might let you adjust the power balance between the CPU and GPU on your Atom.

Here are the specs for the Atom Z3735F.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Atom/Intel-Atom Z3735F.html

The 22 multiplier is the maximum but it is only available when 1 or 2 cores are active. When more than 2 cores are active, the maximum multiplier is 19. This is by Intel design. The Intel Atom series is not an unlocked K series desktop CPU. The bus speed on these is 83.333 MHz. What does ThrottleStop show? HWiNFO might be reporting a random value as the maximum bus speed. How about exit HWiNFO and post a ThrottleStop screenshot while in the middle of running a single thread of the TS Bench. With a single core load, ThrottleStop should be showing a multiplier higher than 19.

Have you tried adjusting the turbo power limits yet? The Baytrail Atom I have can run at its full rated speed after the power limits are adjusted higher.

If your RTC clock is not keeping proper time, see if there is a watch type battery on the motherboard that needs replacing. I do not think the bus speed is changing and I do not think it is causing the clock to lose time.

ThrottleStop can only adjust the VID within the range that the individual processor allows. It is not possible to adjust the VID outside the range that Intel sets at the factory.

 

What about windows timer that he uses? maybe his windows is using HPET [High Precision Event Timer] which causing timing issues or video , audio synchronization issues. If he is having an option on the BIOS to disable it it will be great as mostly the modern CPU's doesn't implement HPET properly

If no option on the BIOS... he can simply search for High Precision Event Timer under system devices category on device manager and disable it and then reboot and see your results

https://support.microsoft.com/en-sg...r-from-the-bios-time-on-a-windows-based-compu

I'm just throwing my two cents here... he may prevent all those MB battery replacement,etc...

Google it... there is many problems related to HPET and different guidelines to disable it or enable it.

 

@unclewebb Trying to get used (and learn about ThrottleStop), as I only used XTU before. Thank you for the comprehensive first post and detailed explanations.
Do you think it would be possible to update the images that don't show up (they are quite a lot)?

Many thanks!

 

@derei - The first post in this thread is over 7 years old. I do not have access to the images in that post or access to the computers I used to create those images.

Best way to learn ThrottleStop is to just use it. Take your time. It takes a while to learn what everything does. If you are familiar with Intel XTU then the learning curve should not be too bad.

If you have any specific questions, post some pictures and I will be happy to reply.

 

By default, HPET is enabled in BIOS so that HWINFO fan control works correct, disabling it is not recommended.
Windows uses TSC or high performance time keeper most of the times.

 

can I set a trigger such that after i open a game, TS will switch to gaming profile?

 

Maybe someday. TS does not have any game specific options at the moment.

I would set up a couple of keyboard shortcuts. Something like:

CTRL+ALT+1 to run the main profile and
CTRL+ALT+2 to switch to your gaming profile.

Or whatever key combination you can dream up that does not interfere with any key combination that your game might be using. You can set this up by clicking on Options - HotKeys

 

Perhaps the Wayback Machine saved a copy. NBR itself starts in 2005:



Some that were available:

Spoiler

There's also the very useful ' Save Page Now' feature, so you can preserve your websites and those painstakingly made guides plus all the photos/images hosted on free, but perhaps-not-so-permanent file hosting sites. Only too bad that IMDb had a no-crawler robots.txt, so the message boards weren't copied for posterity.

 

@t456 - Thanks for the pics. I will work on fixing up the first post during the holidays, maybe sooner.

 

Thanks, @unclewebb , I appreciate your willingness to help me and in fact I already could use some.
I started to play a bit with ThrottleStop, after reading the Guide and the Primer, in an attempt to reproduce the settings that I used to have with XTU. While some parts had a very good explanation in the readings, other parts I could relate to from XTU, there are some which let me a bit confused, especially because my experience in how overclocking and how cpus work is just building up; I'm learning.

So, if you will check the image below, I numbered all the controls. For some of them I think I may know the functionality, but please correct me if I am wrong:



01. - ...
02. - TDP max Wattage (the power limit for "cruise" speed, to say so) - does it do anything if I increase it?
03. -...
04. - The Turbo Boost max Wattage (?)
05. - for how long (in seconds) the Turbo Boost will engage? (is it advised to increase this value? and if so, is it any limit that I should have in mind?)
06. -...
07. - I guess it's the maximum current for the cpu (in Amps) - I believe the max current should be high enough to provide enough power considering the voltage, but does it affect in any way if I increase it much above that (eg. if I bring it to 200A)? - It is my understanding that limiting the current too low, will throttle the CPU when the drained current will reach that point.
08. -...
09. -...
10. -...
11. -...
12. -...
13. -...
14. -...
15. -...

Then, there are those two "headers" on the left and right of the window. I assume the left one (Core i7-4900MQ) shows the factory default parameters (why Max and Turbo Boost time have -- ?). But the one on the right (TDP Level Limits) has all values zero and I don't understand what that one shows.

I will have more questions regarding FIVR later on, but I want to take everything step by step.

EDIT: - maybe some tooltips would be very helpful if added to the program.

Regards.

 

01. - Clamp: basically forces the CPU stay within TDP limits. In your case its stock package TDp 47W.
02. - TDP max Wattage (the power limit for "cruise" speed, to say so) - does it do anything if I increase it? Yes if you're CPU supports OC'ing you can amp it up to 70W or the max value of 200W.
03. -Lock: I could warn you not to click at all because it locks your TDP values and only way to unlock it by deleting the ini file or entries that point to that setting.
04. - The Turbo Boost max Wattage (?) Max TDP of the cpu when Turbo boost is active. In your case at 3.8GHz.
05. - for how long (in seconds) the Turbo Boost will engage? (is it advised to increase this value? and if so, is it any limit that I should have in mind?) Yes. I think 28 secs is a good value. You must know TB 2.0 engages until it hits unsafe thermal limits say 90-95C. So undervolt the CPU and gain max turbo boost speed for longer duration.
I don't know what Primary Plane limit does. But I have set pp0 limit to 64/96. I don't remember the exact value.

13. -Intel Power balance allows you to control which part either CPU or GPU gets more power. Higher CPU value 31 will give you max CPU performance with reduced iGPU performance.
14. -I prefer setting CPU to 31 if you have dGPU and GPu to bare minimum of 11-16.
15. -If you use iGPU only model, then set CPU to 30 and GPU 25.

Hope this helps.