The ThrottleStop Guide

In the wonderful world of throttling laptops, looks like Apple had to come clean and admit that their 2018 MacBook Pros throttle themselves to death when trying to actually use the 6 core hardware that they come with.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/macbook-pro-2018-throttling-bug-fix,37505.html

A press release should help fix a thin and light chassis with inadequate cooling.

Users should be holding Dell's feet to the fire over some of their latest designs. The world needs to know that the XPS 9570 will intermittently throttle itself down to 800 MHz during normal use. Really absurd and nothing a consumer can do except take the wise advice of @Papusan and send all of them back to Dell so they can fill their outlet with them.

@zeverus - Thanks for the data you provided. Some throttling schemes are really hard to imagine until a ThrottleStop log file with dips to 800 MHz makes it abundantly clear. It looks like there is nothing that ThrottleStop can do to fix this problem other than be used to under volt and lower performance way below the advertised specification to keep the DIMM temperatures in check.

 

I put it here Unclewebb.... It’s time to call out laptop manufacturers for their ******** CPU throttling
Exactly what I have said several times the latest years... Don't put all the blame on Intel. Up to the OEM's make/design a cooling capable to cool the Ugly BGA chips. The only blame we can put on Intel is the move over from decent and replaceable socket processors to BGA.

Return to sender. Aka return for refund or you will get more of exactly the same next year or when you next time will upgrade!!

 

The fun part is that as far as I know, the G3/G5/G7 don't even have this problem. And are cheaper. And still handle the heat of the 8750H out the box without inducing thermal throttle, to my knowledge. The screen is garbage it only accepts 7mm drive height for SATA and it's a 1060MQ but... it still handles at least stock hardware.

Then the more expensive, "premium", lucrative, and advertised XPS line just stabs itself like this. And people wonder why I tell them if they MUST get a unit like the XPS 15 to get the Precision M variant, where Dell actually cares about the notebook. I didn't know the XPS line did this... but I still didn't trust it, because Dell. And then this.

 

Dell G5 (probably G7 too) also has a strange throttling mechanism (the same dynamic power throttling encountered in 17r5 and 15r4 when you first exceed the thermal throttling limit), but with the i5 8300h it is only visible in combined load, because the laptop has enough thermal headroom when you only stress the CPU:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-...060-Max-Q-SSD-IPS-Laptop-Review.312816.0.html

Prime95 only



You can see the PL1 value which was as low as 20w with an avr of 44.933 (this is because the temperatures are under 93C, if they were above, the power draw would be dynamically limited so the temperatures don't exceed 93-94C for CPU).


Next one is prime95+furmark:



The PL1 was limited to 36w (was as low as 15w and an avr of 35.850w) so the temperatures don't exceed 96C (apparently, the AWs have a lower limit, 93-94C), which is just bellow the thermal throttling point.

This kind of throttling doesn't seem to have a negative effect on the performance (if it didn't power throttle, it would thermal throttle), but it helps dell to keep the nr. of overheating based RMAs, much lower (especially if they set the "dynamic power throttling" to a lower temperature limit like they did with the AWs).

 

The second picture shows that it is currently thermal throttling, and all the cores throttled, which makes sense to me. Even though XTU does not say thermal. But at those temperatures, what it looks like to me is BDProchot type, but you can see in HWiNFO it says "IA thermal event" for the existing throttle. If that's the case then it's probably thermally limiting power consumption built into the firmware or EC, but I don't know what's truly that hot. For all I know the combined load might be forcing a VRM throttle event.

In short, it looks weird. Not defending it (I usually only tell the G7 but I know a repaste/undervolt on G5 can work fine though) but it simply looks... odd here. Would want to see throttlestop with BDProchot forced off to see what happens.

 

Hi UncleWebb,
Both you and I understand that time is valuable so I will get straight to the point.
Recently when tweaking ThrottleStop,I came across this post on the Acer Predator community:
https://community.acer.com/en/discu...ange-of-bios-settings-causing-problems#latest
Apparently setting the Speed Shift EE value to 0 on the i7-7700HQ,my CPU(I haven't test it out) makes it run at 3.8GHz on ALL cores.
And various guides online,including the Prime created by Notebookcheck,stated that you could tune this value to more towards performance or battery life,or 0-225.
Can you confirm this is the truth?Any of them will be appreciated.
P/s: Please rewrite the current guide.It's awful and unorganized.
Thanks again!

 

If I understood correctly, you're simply talking about the well known and discussed Speed Shift setting. This basic value of 0-255 has been covered a couple of times in this thread.
Setting it to 0 means 100% performance at all times, and it seems that 255 sets it to lowest performance at all times.
Any number in that interval can be used. 128 would be a middle ground. And setting it to 255 doesn't necessarily means better battery life. It could take 3 minutes to finish a job at 800mhz then idle (255 setting), or 30 seconds at 3.8GHz then idle (0 setting). Which one would actually be more efficient? Intel reports points that the "rush-to-idle" is in fact more battery efficient (the "30 seconds at 3.8GHz then idle" setting)
There's also the option of 2.6GHz for 1 minute then idle (128 setting). If that's more efficient, is debatable.

Tbh I don't think I understood what you asked.
Was it just it?

 

Thanks for the quick rep!
The question you have just answered is the latter,while the first is does setting the value to 0 makes the CPU run at 3.8GHz all cores?
Read the link above.
It's so weird.The i7-7700HQ can only run at 3.4GHz at all cores.

 

Hello guys!
I have a Dell 7567 (i5 7300HQ + 1050ti + 8gb ram).
It's undervolted -140 and the igpu -160.
I repasted the cpu and gpu myself and the temps are good (They never go past 76C after hours of heavy usage).
I'm on the Windows 1803 update (Clean install).

My issue is that when my gpu and cpu are under heavy usage there's a power limit throttle, this makes the cpu fluctuate between 0.8ghz -2.5ghz (when the power throttle is on, turbo doesn't turn on).
I've been researching this for a few days now and it seems that it is a factory / bios issue. There is a weird solution I've come across and that is uninstalling Intel(R) Dynamic Platform and Thermal Framework Manager (Device manager -> system devices. Doing that every time I'm going to use the laptop heavily).

Now what I find weird is that on throttlestop the pkg power never goes past 20W, isn't that supposed to go up to 45W, and then 45-60W during turbo boost?
Also my turbo boost never goes past 3.15 Ghz, shouldn't it be able to go past that to 3.5Ghz since my temps are almost always below 70C?

 

See if there's any thing in the TS that you mishandled and check the Turbo Power Limits or TPL.

 

Hi,
It happens with or without TS, meaning that the issue must be hardware / bios related.

 

@Mr.K-1994 - That Acer link you posted does not seem to have anything to do with the 7700HQ running on all four cores at 3.8 GHz. I do not own a 7700HQ so if you have one, go do some testing and post some ThrottleStop pictures of your results.

Edit - I opened my eyes and saw the pic at 3.8 GHz. As I mentioned in the other thread, you can depend on the multiplier data that ThrottleStop shows you. Run a ThrottleStop Log File if you ever need to know what your CPU is really doing.

No it does not.

Without seeing some screenshots of ThrottleStop, I would have to say that this is probably a lie.

@OmarEVG - If you have specific questions, post some specific pictures so I can try to understand what you are seeing. Without seeing how you have ThrottleStop setup, if at all, it takes way too much guessing on my part. Did you disable BD PROCHOT yet? Did you enable Speed Shift and set that to 0 for maximum performance?

As for the Intel(R) Dynamic Platform and Thermal Framework Manager, I would not leave that cancer installed on my computer. I would rather someone poke me in the eye with a pointed stick and that would not be fun. Do some Google research. There are a few ways to block this from being reinstalled on your computer. Until you permanently uninstall this, you will have no control over your computer.

 

Update:I have done some tests with The Witcher 3,no FPS cap.
Here is some screenshots
Please look at the links for documents.

FIVR:


Turbo Power Limits:


And the game itself(MSI Afterburner HW poiling rate at 1000ms):
First,some weird things:when first opened up some of the cores run at 3.5 to 3.6GHz while the rest at 3.4GHz.
When running around in games,they stabilized at 3.4GHz.

Please take a look and check back to me if you saw something abnormal.

 

Why cripple an already crippled Cpu? Why put lower Power limits than the orginal 45w TDP. I mean Package Power long should be 45 and short 56 for 7700Hq. And remove that clamp.

 

Hi again,
Yea I was experimenting with TS and I did tune those values.May I ask will it hurt to set such values?
That clamp I didn't remember when I toggle it.Is it dangerous?
Is there anything else to say?
And the cache is at -120.1,the iGPU is -65.4 and System Agent at -65.4 too.

 

Nope. It's only an limit and you have an locked down chips. Put as suggested or whatever possible above. Lets say 100 - 100. If it works, drag the Turbo time limits to right in same tab (Package Power Limits). And remove that clamp. Not that it will make an big difference for you.

 

Is there anything else I can tweak?
And I will check back when the guy at Acer replied.
And by the way,I have just discovered that he has unlocked the BIOS on his machine.Can it be a factor for why he is running at 3.8GHz all cores?

 

Remove those boxes. And maybe change Intel Power Balance (Give a few notch more for Cpu)


Can't unlock fully locked down Kabylake BGA as I know. All you get is still 3.4GHz on all 4 cores as long it is within the chips 45w TDP.

Edit. Take a look on this Mobile i7 CPU information post from @D2 Ultima The information guides.

 

So TL;DR of the post is Mobile i7s are absurd but the piece of guide is out of date.The guy hasn't updated it since the times of Skylake which is 2 to 3 years old by now.
Maybe I will save up for a new Clevo perhaps.
What is the value for the Intel Power Balance?

 

The on screen MHz information you see while playing a game can be misleading. At any instant in time, these Intel CPUs are using a single multiplier. All active cores are locked together and they are all forced to use the exact same multiplier. Inactive cores that are in one of the low power C States are usually not using any multiplier. The clock signal going to the inactive cores is stopped. The inactive cores are technically running at 0 MHz because they are not running at all.

Some monitoring software wakes up these inactive cores and immediately asks them what multiplier they are using. Now think about it. Does any information from a core that was inactive at 0 MHz represent what speed the active cores were running at? Of course not. It is useless information. In actual fact, the inactive cores are not using any multiplier because they are inactive. All those different MHz numbers while gaming looks nice but it does not mean anything. If information is not accurate or does not represent what the CPU cores are doing, it should be ignored.

You already posted your example where multiple cores are running at 3.8 GHz. According to Intel, that is physically impossible. The 7700HQ only uses the 38 multiplier when a single core is active. If two or three or four cores are active, all of the active cores are definitely not using the 38 multiplier. Monitoring software that shows data that is physically impossible should be ignored.

CPU World shows what a 7700HQ is capable of.
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i7/Intel-Core i7 i7-7700HQ.html

If you have a look at the ThrottleStop log file it shows only a single multiplier. Some users might not like that but it is a much more accurate representation of what an Intel CPU is doing.

Code:

   DATE       TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  CHIPM   BAT_mW  TEMP  GPU     VID   POWER
2018-07-27  07:29:27  34.00   86.3  100.0  100.0        0   69    61   0.9823   26.8
2018-07-27  07:29:28  34.00   87.4  100.0  100.0        0   69    62   0.9827   27.0
2018-07-27  07:29:29  34.00   75.4  100.0  100.0        0   68    62   0.9751   26.0
2018-07-27  07:29:30  34.00   72.4  100.0  100.0        0   70    62   1.0015   25.5
2018-07-27  07:29:31  34.00   88.1  100.0  100.0        0   70    63   1.0031   27.3
2018-07-27  07:29:32  34.22   69.1  100.0  100.0        0   69    63   1.0056   24.8
2018-07-27  07:29:33  34.00   90.2  100.0  100.0        0   71    63   0.9788   26.7
2018-07-27  07:29:34  34.00   72.6  100.0  100.0        0   69    63   0.9930   26.3
2018-07-27  07:29:35  34.00   67.6  100.0  100.0        0   70    63   0.9783   25.7
2018-07-27  07:29:36  34.00   73.3  100.0  100.0        0   70    63   0.9806   25.7
2018-07-27  07:29:37  34.00   85.0  100.0  100.0        0   71    64   0.9871   27.1
2018-07-27  07:29:38  34.00   82.8  100.0  100.0        0   72    64   0.9817   26.5
2018-07-27  07:29:39  34.00   89.5  100.0  100.0        0   70    64   0.9816   26.5
2018-07-27  07:29:40  34.00   87.5  100.0  100.0        0   70    64   0.9581   26.1
2018-07-27  07:29:41  34.00   80.5  100.0  100.0        0   71    64   0.9521   26.9
2018-07-27  07:29:42  34.00   70.9  100.0  100.0        0   71    64   0.9495   25.9

That part of the log file shows that the CPU is mostly using the 34.00 multiplier which means that 3 or 4 cores must be active. There is a significant load on the CPU (high C0% number) so this makes sense. When 3 or 4 cores are active, the 7700HQ uses the 34 multiplier and nothing higher than that.

At 07:29:32, the multiplier for 1 second increases to 34.22. Is this reasonable or is this maybe a bug in ThrottleStop? Have a look at the C0% during that second. It drops from 88.1 to 69.1 before increasing the next second to 90.2. During that second, two of the cores were not needed so they entered a low power C State. This allowed the other 2 cores that were still active to switch to the 36 multiplier. Intel CPUs constantly adjust the multiplier and their speed based on how many cores are active. This is happening hundreds of times per second. Does polling the CPU cores, the active and inactive ones, every 1000 ms tell you anything useful? Nope. That is why Intel has not recommend doing that for the last decade since the first Core i was introduced in 2008.

ThrottleStop follows the Intel recommended monitoring procedure and does a great job of capturing what an Intel CPU is doing. The competition? Not even close. I would ignore the on screen MHz being reported and run a ThrottleStop log file instead.

An unlocked bios does not change what a 7700HQ is capable of. Read the CPU World info. The only possible way to run the 38 multiplier on all cores, all the time is if you go into Windows or the bios and disable 3 of your 4 cores. Now you will have a single core CPU and it will happily run at the 38 multiplier continuously. Gaming frame rates will be terrible but at least the on screen data will represent what speed the CPU is running at.

 

Yeah,thanks for the info.
Now I will check back with the guy who has the screenshot and asked him to show a clip of the laptop in action.
We will see.

 

Hi!, here are my TS settings, any suggestion for my performance and battery profiles?
Another question about the intel Dynamic PTFM, uninstalling this permanently will not hurt the battery life of the laptop during normal usage? Anything else software related that comes to your mind that I should look at?

 

Um...where are the screenshots?
Update:Oops,poor internet it seems.Sorry.
Pretty good profiles you have there.
And the undervolt too.Unfortunately I am not courage enough to undervolt that much on my Kaby Lake i7.
Well,ask Uncle about that and this is the first time I have heard of such things.I remembered a similar one on my Dell V5568.
For more battery life,follow this.It helped me tremendously.

 

Thanks for the info!

Update: After further testing the issue is %100 the software from the intel dynamic platform, what does this do exactly, I don't seem to find reliable explanations online. Some say it manages the temperatures the egpu, igpu, cpu. Others say it intelligently manages the power to save battery hmm....
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9550...ower-and-thermal-framework-smarter-throttling

 

Anyway you will have to uninstall it if you want to have control over your PC.
Dell is the first brand I have seen to this date that installs these crap onto their PCs.
Anyway you don't need to it do anything, want better battery life, follow the guide I linked above.
Possibly the quickest way to uninstall it is to clean install the OG Windows that came with the laptop, download the ISO from M$ and reinstall it in offline mode(no connection to networks to stop Windows from downloading that app).Download the drivers from Dell, stay away from things related to Intel except for iGPU driver, and maybe done?
Ask Uncle for this matter. I am still pretty inexperience in such things.

 

To @unclewebb,
It seems like the guy at Acer is dead silent.
He hasn't replied to me for 3 days after he answered to me that I needed to run FS with MSI Afterburner to see the changes.And right afetr that I asked him to check the results and my setup then...nothing happened.
What should I do?

 

You still hope that you can overclock an fully locked down Kabylake i7-7700Hq BGA chips ? About time you move on and stop with this hopeless project. And take it as a good advice...


Edit. FYI - 7700Hq Kabylake is exactly as its predecessor Skylake 6700Hq. Fully locked.

 

There's another issue I've noticed. My CPU doesn't go below 1.6ghz when idling, but it does enter c8.

So far I've tried changing the power options, disabling TS, and checking the bios settings.

 

I am definitely not clinging on this.
But what should I do?
How do I react when I met the guy again?
Maybe he found out something about me and these questions and replies up here and decided that he wasn't going to reply to me?

 

If he reply back to you... Just put in aka explain your own experience with his so called “soft overclock”. You can add in this link as well in bottom of eventually reply back http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-828#post-10771217

He talk about ThrottleStop. And the author of TS he talked about posted it

 

Will do.
Thanks again.
See you around!

 

If you have Speed Shift enabled and your CPU has some background tasks to complete, it will increase the CPU speed so it can get these tasks done quickly and in an efficient manner. That is the whole point of Speed Shift. The old SpeedStep method used to lock the CPU to a slow speed where it runs inefficiently. Some people still like to see their CPU limping along at 800 MHz but if a CPU has something to do, a slow CPU ends up increasing power consumption. Best advice is to reduce the amount of background activity on your computer. When Speed Shift is enabled, your CPU will slow down when it has nothing better to do.

It sounds like you are afraid this guy might be outside your house and is going to beat you up if you step outside. The internet is full of conspiracy theories and misinformation. No need to try and correct everyone. I like the TS version of the truth and some people like to believe that their 7700HQ is running at 3.8 GHz while gaming. To each his own. Be happy and go play some games.

 

I mean,it's kinda awkward.

 

@ unclewebb

A few (edit) requests, which should be easy to implement I think and add a lot:

- could you please make it so, that left clicking on the temperature symbol opens TS, it is a bit bugged right now, double-click on it also doesn't work all the time, or implement the same right-click menu like on the normal symbol. I want to disable normal TS symbol if I use the temp one so I dont have two

- could you please implement a small temperature data collection, please. if you stop data, the temperature data will stop too. but if you just want temp symbol in the tray, you obviously dont need all the other data, TS collects if data is on. that leads to unnecessary CPU usage (TS has permanent 0,1% CPU usage with all data on)

 

I have a problem with TS, which I used to have with Intel XTU.
After awaking my laptop (I always left it in sleep rather than turning it off), most of the times the undervolt isnt applied until I reapply it again.
It also happened with XTU, but not always. One of the reasons I switched to TS was this, as I thought it was a XTU bug.
Is there a fix to this?

Also, maybe not TS related, sometimes both TS and HWinfo64 close at the same time. I dont know what triggers this, doesnt occurs often. But its always those 2 programs, and I notice because without the undervolt, the CPU throttles and is noticeable ingame.

 

@maffle - Double clicking on the ThrottleStop icon in the system tray or double clicking on a temperature icon in the system tray opens up the ThrottleStop user interface. If the user interface is already open, double clicking on a system tray icon will minimize ThrottleStop back to the system tray. This works 100% reliably for me. I use a Logitech mouse and I can double click on these icons without any problems. You might need to adjust your Windows settings so double clicks are being recognized properly.

Using the same menu for the temperature icon or the ThrottleStop icon is a good idea but it will probably be a long time before I change that. Keep in mind that ThrottleStop is mostly end of life. I only plan to do a few minor things here and there.

ThrottleStop is the most efficient monitoring tool on the planet. When minimized to the system tray, CPU usage is less than 0.1%. Don't believe everything that the Task Manager tells you. It exaggerates some things. If you are going to use the Task Manager, use the Details tab.



CPUs run at 3 GHz or 4 GHz or even 5 GHz. A CPU load of 0.1% or less is completely insignificant.

The next time this happens, open up the ThrottleStop FIVR window and post a screenshot of that entire window so I can have a look. I do not need to see any other information. I trust the ThrottleStop data in that window.

Are you using the Task Scheduler to start both of those programs? The Task Scheduler guide in the second post of this thread explains some of the Task Scheduler bugs that you need to be aware of. Follow this guide exactly.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/#post-6865107

 

what

 

And also something like:
1.A description of functions or terms when hover over things such as buttons or tabs.
2.Add the ability of adding custom themes.
3.Embed a noob's guide to ThrottleStop in the program itself instead of throwing it into the program's folder.
4.Add in a "Reset to Default" or "Back to square one" button inside the program as replacement of " deleting the .ini file".

 

@unclewebb
Oh, for real?!
Are you kidding me?
Are you playing around?
Tell us what's the issue that is interfering with the program's development.
Are the companies blackmailing you for messing with their product?
One boycott from us consumers and done.Because you are helping us fixing their half-ass attempts of making a laptop or PC.

 

I did not say that it was completely dead. Just mostly.

The version with full IccMax control still needs to be released.



Other than that and maybe AVX Offset control, there is not a lot left on the important things to do list. TS is what it is and most users are happy with that. Some of the features that I would like to add are not possible with the WinRing0 driver I am using.

I thought about adding fancy colorful graphs like XTU but this is probably not a good idea. For some people, 0.1% CPU usage is already too much. Many people that use TS instead of XTU are doing so because they like having a lean program to control voltages. Making TS more bloated to be more like XTU does not make any sense.

When you reach that point in development, best to leave TS as is and move on.

Too time consuming, no proper documentation from Intel, and any day of the week, someone at Microsoft can decide to block TS from running on all future versions of Windows 10.

 

Aww.
In such case,will you consider releasing the source code?
To GitHub,perhaps?
Maybe the developers in the wild can carry on the legacy you left behind.

 

No... it does not. You have to click on the temperature icon a few times until it works, there is a bug with it. Tahts is why I asked for this. It doesnt work the same as the other icon.

No... Just after I deactivate data collect, the 0,1% usage goes away, and also the CPU sleeps better. Until then, there is a permanent C0 usage created by TS it seems. I am also investigating right now a modern standby drain (stuck in C7 and no 100% HW sleep time, just about 10-50%). I have a very high suspicion, that the culprit is TS, if data collection is on. Because after some tests, with deactivating TS, the modern standby sleep was 100%SW and 100%HW, with it and data collection, not, and just sometimes 17% HW or about 50% HW. That is about a drain of 2% battery per hour compared to 0,5% per hour without TS running.

Again: Please make it so, that if the temperature icon is activated, and collect data is off, the temps still work. You dont need to collect all data, for just temperature collection.

 

@ maffle

I use Throttlestop and when I turn laptop on, I launch it manually only to turn on Speedshift. All other settings stick whether TS is ON or OFF. So I can turn it off as Speedshift sticks too.

 

Here is a screenshot:

Spoiler: Screenshot

Yes, I use the task scheduler to start them. Im sure I followed that guide, I created 2 tasks, one for each program.
I will recreate them again.

 

It appears that your -123.0 mV undervolt for the CPU is not active. It may be the case for the 7700HQ, as it is for the 6700HQ, that you need to enter the same undervolt for Cache and CPU in order to make it effective. I have no idea why Intel would set it up that way.
BTW, I am disappointed to see all of the requests for enhancements to TS. UncleWebb has worked very hard (with essentially no compensation) to provide this useful program - and has consistently and patiently answered many questions from users. As he has pointed out, there are limitations on the program due to lack of information from Intel, and the fact that the program has to work in a constrained area in the Windows OS. We need to recognize his major contributions to our community - and the limitations to his ability to provide tweaks to a mature program that may not survive much longer due to changes in the underlying software and hardware.
Best,
Joe

 

I agree with everything you said.
Do you think he should make it open-source on GitHub for other developers to carry on the work?
It is such a good software and it would be sad if one day it's gone.

 

Thats my point, I have to reapply them after I turn on the laptop from sleep.

 

Thanks for the screenshot. Instead of HWMonitor, why not show the main ThrottleStop window? Are you sure that ThrottleStop is currently using Profile 1? Did you check to see if ThrottleStop changed profiles after it resumed from stand by mode? This might have happened if you plugged in or unplugged your laptop while standing by. I will look into this some more to see if I can recreate this problem. My offset voltages are always reapplied reliably after resuming.

As long as Windows 10 is not using Speed Shift then yes, you can exit ThrottleStop and the Speed Shift EPP value should remain the same. If ThrottleStop is not running and you enter stand by mode, the EPP value will probably be changed or reset after you resume.

If data collection is causing a problem then leave data collection turned off. If modern standby is important to you and ThrottleStop is draining your battery and causing a problem, you will need to exit ThrottleStop before going into stand by mode. If you want to maximize battery run time while on battery power, it does not make any sense to leave ThrottleStop running in the background. TS is very efficient but exiting TS while on battery power would be best.

If you slowly and continuously single left click on a temperature icon, the Reset Min / Max option will keep popping up. This could prevent Windows from sending a double mouse click event notice to ThrottleStop. Try adjusting your Mouse Properties Double-click speed and see if this helps.

https://i.imgur.com/El0K3Uc.png

ThrottleStop opens up 100% reliably for me when double clicking on any of the system tray icons. Perhaps in the future I will get rid of the Reset Min/Max option for a left mouse click. I will only use that pop up menu for a right mouse click which might help prevent the problem that you are having.

I understand that you would like this feature and I agree that it would be a good feature to have but it might be a year or two or never before I add that feature to ThrottleStop.

I am not trying to be a dick, just realistic. I am getting old. My eyesight is fading. Going home and staring at a computer screen after working all day is not something that I enjoy doing anymore. When the weekend comes, there are other things I would rather be doing. Not much time left over for TS development. Sure I still plan to work on TS a little here and there but it has become a much lower priority for me.

That is never going to happen. Too many Intel secrets hiding in the TS source code. I do not want to incriminate anyone at Intel or myself.
When ThrottleStop is done, it is done. I am not done yet so no worries.

 

Wait,if I am correct,you said that you used official documents from Intel to create it.
Then what secrets are there?

 

Time to give this a break. He has said all he needs to say. Be thankful for a great product that works reliably.