The ThrottleStop Guide

Is ThrottleStop able to counter throttling at low battery levels? I own a Dell XPS 13 9300 and I'm generally very happy with it, but at around 20% battery the CPU won't exceed 7W, with even less battery I'm stuck at 5W. This basically means that my CPU (1065G7) never exceeds its base frequency below 15% battery. Obviously, I've turned off every possible option in Windows, Dell's Power Manager and also noticed there's no option in the BIOS to change this.

Dell said this is normal behaviour, and while I agree with the idea in general, I was wondering if there's any way to to circumvent this. I checked the UEFI files for my current firmware (I was the one who came up with the EFI variables for circumventing the overclocking lock on newer Dell firmware) but found no matching setting, I wonder if there's an MSR register that forces the processor to lower frequencies.

In ThrottleStop, "EDP Other" will flash more frequently for CORE, GPU and RING at lower battery levels, so far this is the only pointer I have. I'd appreciate any ideas

 

@Akern1 - The black dot means that the PROCHOT Offset register is locked. Your BIOS probably set a 4°C or 5°C PROCHOT Offset and locked that register. If you reboot and there is a black dot there, it must be your BIOS that is locking this. That means you cannot use the new ThrottleStop PROCHOT Offset feature.

In the log file where it is showing 45.0 W and PL1, that means the power limit settings in ThrottleStop are being ignored. The OEM is using the EC to set a hard limit of 45.0 W. You cannot use ThrottleStop or Intel XTU to go beyond that limit. You might be able to increase the short term limit beyond 56W. This might get rid of some PL2 throttling but if you do this, you are quickly going to run into thermal throttling. You are already under volting as much as one can under volt so there is not much more you can do.

@likestomoveblocks - If Dell is using the EC to set a power limit of 7W or 5W while running on low battery power, there is nothing that ThrottleStop is going to be able to do about that. Does Limit Reasons show PL1 or PL2 or EDP OTHER in red when this is happening?

@skyh13 - It sounds like your laptop was not designed for maximum performance. Your CPU is capable of more than your voltage regulators or power adapter are capable of. Not sure what you can do about this problem.

 

Understood....thanks @unclewebb for the reply and thanks @Ace'01 for your help too. This time it seems that my hands are tied, sad news .

I wanted to ask one last thing, on the HP website I found a BIOS update from version F20 to version F21 Rev.A dated December 16, 2019. It says - It increases security. Should I risk and install it? I really don't want to lose undervolt.

 

PL1 and PL2 both do not show, EDP OTHER does however light up in red frequently. Am I out of luck?

 

A person that likes to undervolt their laptop would have to be out of their mind to install a BIOS update from Dec 2019. Why would you knowingly want to risk losing CPU voltage control?

If you are seeing EDP OTHER lighting up in red across all 3 domains simultaneously, it is usually one of the current limits. Have you adjusted the PP0 Current Limit to 256 and have you maximized both of the IccMax values? It is possible that Dell is changing one of these limits but they usually use the EC to control these kind of things which there is no easy access to.

 

I have adjusted IccMax with no result, I will say I only slightly increased PP0 Current Limit because I'm uncertain what it does. Going from 44(?) to 48 didn't change anything, though.

 

@likestomoveblocks - Most desktop computers set the power limits to 4095W and also set the current limits sky high. Why? They do this deliberately to prevent any unnecessary throttling. If you do this to a laptop, there is no possible way for it to ever reach over 4000W. Live a little. If your CPU is throttling, give it some more juice.

 

I think it is normal because I am also using 1065G7. The EDP OTHER in RING column keeps in yellow and occasionally flash in red. However, there is no impact for speed(multiplier) so I don't take care about it.

 

After waking system from sleep I always get PL1 warning. Tried everything that uncleweb recommended to fix that issue but no luck. And EDP Other is constantly flashing yellow under RING. As far as I know its normal, i guess.

 

That is what I get when resuming from sleep. Are any of those warnings important? No. Some of the power limit registers are likely not setup correctly until late in the resume process. This is what likely triggers these warnings. Completely unimportant. If you are actually trying to do something with your computer and it is throttling and one of these boxes is glowing red, that is important.

Some laptops are hyper sensitive. It will take next to nothing to set one of these limits off. My desktop CPU shows nothing in Limit Reasons, ever. It is what it is.

 

Actually, all laptops should be similar in this situation. Same as @unclewebb said, taking care the important matters is important.

 

I love this idea. Alas, living apparently didn't help at all. Throttling seems to kick in at about 30% battery where package power will be limited to 15W, no matter what I do. Makes my laptop run super cool, but that's about it.

So this is probably down to the EC, right? I might pester Dell about this some more. Ask them to let me decide when to run out of juice.

 

Should I disable Intel SpeedStep after SpeedShift is activated? As I understood both things do the same task they are meant for. And I noticed when waking system from sleep SpeedStep is turned on when most of the time its turned off. Im glad if someone can point me out on this 2 settings.

 

When Speed Shift is enabled, SpeedStep enabled or disabled does not seem to matter. The BIOS usually enables SpeedStep so I just leave it enabled in ThrottleStop. No point in fighting against the BIOS.

I recently found out that the FaceIt gaming anti-cheat software is preventing ThrottleStop from starting. If you are having any problems, make sure that this software is not running or update it to the most recent version.

https://www.faceit.com/en/anti-cheat

After lots of user complaints, they changed their mind and have decided to let ThrottleStop run.

 

https://imgur.com/a/0nqJjPo

Valorant's AntiCheat is now blocking ThrottleStop.

 

Note: Intel XTU also is restricted while vanguard is running.

 

I agree that the drivers that ThrottleStop uses are a little on the shady side. If playing Valorant is important to users, they will not be able to use ThrottleStop.

Maybe Riot Games will ultimately decide to buyout ThrottleStop. Hint, hint, hint! They could include a safer version of ThrottleStop in their games and keep their customers happy. I could use some extra cash during these tough Covid-19 times.

 

Hello! First of all thanks for this lifesaving software!
I got the same issue with Vanguard blocking ThrottleStop and I just googled the "guilty" sys file.

I'm more than happy to uninstall Vanguard and keep TS, but I just wanted to ask why the process is enlisted in the public CVE list?
https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2019-7240

There could possibly be any future security issues?

Thanks again

 

You are welcome.

Access to the CPU's registers requires Ring 0 privileges. In the wrong hands, that is dangerous stuff.

The WinRing0 driver that ThrottleStop uses has been around for 12+ years. It has always been a security vulnerability. I am not sure if it is possible for ThrottleStop to do what needs to be done without it too being considered a security risk.

Users will have to decide between security and usability.

 

Funny enough, when I started digging into the Windows 10 power schemes and overlays I found out that the EPP values for Balanced scheme, Better Battery Life overlay and Max Performance overlay pretty much exactly matched the EPP values I was using in TS.

• Balanced scheme defaults to 33% EPP (85 in TS) on AC power, and 50% EPP (128 in TS) on DC power
• Better Battery Life overlay scheme defaults to 70% EPP (179 in TS) on DC power
• Max Performance overlay scheme defaults to 0% EPP (0 in TS) on AC power

High Performance scheme makes sense for desktop workstations, but not so much for laptops. Its settings are not optimized for DC at all, so it's generally easier to start with the Balanced scheme and optimize the Better Battery and Max Performance overlay schemes for DC and AC, respectively.

 

Isn't Intel already doing that with XTU? The best I could see is a company like MSI doing it and trying to stuff it into Afterburner, but they would greatly simplify what it can do to avoid horrendous support issues for people that don't know what they are doing.

 

Just helping a user today with his new MSI GS75 10SF-036 laptop. It has a Comet Lake Core i7-10750H.
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Stealth-10SF-036-i7-10750H-Win10PRO/dp/B085B2Y58T

Check out the beastly power consumption before AVG TEMP throttling kicks in.
So much for the Intel 45W TDP spec. A peak of 94.2W.
He has not done any under volting yet. This laptop is definitely a good candidate for that.
During Cinebench R20, you can see the multiplier and CPU speed slip sliding away as the CPU temp is pegged at 95°C for the entire run.

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2020-05-02  15:30:34  36.56   99.9  100.0  100.0        0   95     300    42   1.0260   63.6   AVGTEMP
2020-05-02  15:30:35  36.59   99.9  100.0  100.0        0   95     300    42   1.0563   63.6   AVGTEMP
2020-05-02  15:30:36  36.44   99.9  100.0  100.0        0   95     300    42   1.0579   62.5   AVGTEMP
2020-05-02  15:30:37  41.80   27.5  100.0  100.0        0   56     300    42   1.3053   34.6
2020-05-02  15:30:38  45.11    6.4  100.0  100.0        0   54     300    42   1.2944   17.6
2020-05-02  15:30:39  44.36    6.7  100.0  100.0        0   60     300    42   1.3322   18.5
2020-05-02  15:30:40  44.32    5.8  100.0  100.0        0   51     300    42   1.3339   16.3

Edit - Here is a well written article about Riot Game's Vanguard anti-cheat technology.
https://www.hotspawn.com/riots-vanguard-anti-cheat-remains-a-security-risk/

 

And yet another cooler design flaw. MSI's engineers learned nothing from last years Coffee lake refresh.

 

Hey, thanks for the explanation!
I'm not ready to pay all just byself, not earning enough unfortunately, but if you'd like to update the driver and of course it costs money, more than happy to chip in trough PayPal or anything similar!

 

I wonder if the Quick CPU (old school name: Core Parking Manager v3) by CoderBag is facing the same issue with the game Valorant.

The app is clunky slow to use and sometime buggy with the control on the Index scaling slider never does anything with CPU with Speed Shift SST supports.

 

@MitoWorld - As far as I know, Quick CPU is working with Valorant. Keep it quiet or maybe Riot Vanguard will block this one too.

 

If Intel tells them to design for a 45W CPU(this time is for realz guys we really nailed the CPU specs..) and then the CPU goes over TWICE that, why is that a fail?

Dont expect any laptop on the market to have adequate cooling for twice the advertised TDP, no Clevo, no Alienware, no nothing will do it.

 

@senso not now. But why not?

 

For example, if you know there is only one person to take dinner, will you cook for the quantity for two person to be ready for anyone to take the dinner too?

Alternatively, there is no restaurant who will provide the buffet for you so you can eat anything, which you can find, in the restaurant but only need you to pay the fee for one set dinner. Same theory. What you pay so what you get.

TS just a tools in order to utilize your machine if and only if the manufacture who does NOT RESIST you to do so. However, the manufacture CAN RESIST you to do so, based on the reason of safety, user experience or the value of the product(selling price), etc..

 

I'm sure the OEMs engineers get more info than the 45W moniker. Already with Coffee lake they got info what to expect. And some of the hardware engineers work with Intel chips for desktops (Dell and Asus etc also create desktops). If they isn't able to tell the correct color on the wall, maybe start find another job.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/20/intel_core_i9_performance_in_dell_apple_laptops/

Intel says the Thermal Velocity Boost feature contributes 200 MHz to the top boost frequency if the processor is at 65C or below, or 100 MHz if the CPU is from 65C to 85C. This approach leads to a two-tiered maximum power consumption approach, with non-TVB boost clocks pulling 107W (PL2), and peak power weighing in at 135W (an increase of 10W over the previous gen) with a 56 second default tau (boost duration).
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/intel-10th-gen-comet-lake-h-eight-cores-at-53-ghz

 

@Papusan I bet you can name a lot of JokeBooks that run 135W continuously!

 

Playing with ThrottleStop has been enlightening. I have an i7-9750H in a Clevo PB71RF-G and have made the following adjustments.
Core: -150 mV <- I might be able to go further, but have not tested past this
Cache: -120 MV
Turbo Boost long: 65
Turbo Boost short: 90
These settings allowed the TS Bench to complete in 96 without throttling. My Cinebench score improved to 3119. Temps topped out at 86C with those benchmarks. I don't have gaming temps at this time.

Are there long term negatives to increasing TDP as I've done here, even if temperatures stay reasonable?

 

Try searching this forum thread. Hard to find any negative stories. Lots and lots of positive ones.

Intel mobile CPUs can happily run way beyond their rated TDP. This exact same 14nm technology, coming down the exact same assembly line, will end up with a 95W TDP rating when Intel calls it a desktop CPU. Do you think the CPU knows when it is a 45W mobile CPU or a 95W desktop part? Of course not. People then take the desktop parts, overclock the hell out of them, run Prime95 at way, way beyond the 95W TDP rating and do this without a second thought. Running this technology at only 45W is a joke. That is equivalent to buying a new Corvette and never exceeding the speed limit with it. Yawn!

Your Cinebench score looks good and your CPU temp is well within the 100°C Intel spec. There is nothing to worry about.

 

Depends on the power delivery. Ok Cpu temp or 96 without throttling doesn't always mean the VRMs etc will run equal cool. Engineers often take shortcuts. Or just cut costs to increase their bottom line.

 

Did someone run Prime95 on that?

 

You don't need P95 for killing the power delivery. Go cheap and you'll know what will come Not only the Area-51m will catch on fire. Was common with AW 18 Viking and it continue with the tinner models http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...t-circuit-when-plugging-in-ac-adapter.832366/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-17-r4-6820hk-1070m-dead-motherboard.832607/

 

I have a few questions regarding TS after a recent update. I would game on my laptop by capping the frequency of the CPU from around 2.4ghz to 3.0ghz. Unfortunately after some updates, the function no longer works. I can turn of turbo but that limits it to 1.8ghz which is too slow for a lot of the game I play. This is mostly emulation but I have never been able to get consistent performance on older PC games such as Crysis 2. Sometimes, I even have to use my integrated GPU to keep thermals steady.

Is there a solution someone can recommend?

 

What CPU are you talking about? I assume your 8565U. Screenshots?

Easy solution. Uninstall the recent updates and block them so they do not get installed in the future. A recent BIOS update has blocked CPU voltage control and CPU turbo ratio limit control.

If it is not possible to go back, try using the Speed Shift Max value in the TPL window to control your maximum CPU speed. This setting will allow your CPU to use some turbo boost without having to completely disable all turbo boost.

 

Hi unclewebb,

I've been changing my AC and DC Loadline value to 1 (IA VR) in debug BIOS.
and I noticed that CPU power draw never go beyond 4W, and the advantages of using this method are slightly better thermal performance (just a few degrees cooler) and no more power limit throttling.
Is there any bad effect using this "tricks"?

 

Hey there, that did the trick. Thank you! I'll do some testing later and I'll see how it holds up.

 

I heard that Riot Games has changed their mind and is allowing ThrottleStop and some other monitoring apps to run again. Not sure how long this will last. Download the latest version of Vanguard and you should be able to play Valorant without having to sacrifice ThrottleStop.

That always sounds good. I do not have any hands on experience with loadline adjustments so you are on your own.

Good to hear. I use Sledgehammer to keep an eye on Windows Updates.

https://www.ghacks.net/2019/04/28/c...th-sledgehammer-formerly-wumt-wrapper-script/

Sometimes it works and sometimes it forces me to go looking for updates to get caught up. I prefer this compared to having updates force fed onto my computers.

 

@unclewebb is TS limited to showing only 8 cores/16 threads?

 

See also the next post below from @unclewebb http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-866#post-10793292

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-866#post-10793294

 

I can't thank you enough, before I was using the FIVR way of limiting the CPU speed but this is giving me more consistent outcomes. I was really about to give up on laptop gaming.

 

Maybe. I have never had access to an 8 core CPU for development purposes let alone anything beyond that. I have no idea what TS features will work and which ones do not. Systems with 2 x 8 core CPUs or a new 10 core Comet Lake CPU is an even bigger mystery to me. I seem to recall ThrottleStop having some functionality on 16 core CPUs but do not quote me on that. It has been a long time.

Thanks @Papusan for finding this in the TS thread archives.

 

hey all,
I was curious if the Prestige 15 with the I7-10710u can be undervolted? I know that this chip is power limited I believe but I keep hearing it can get boosted to 45-50W. Is this something Throttlestop can do as well?

Thanks

 

Hi hi. So the Prestige 15 can be undervolted and the voltage can also be pushed up past the 15 watt? How was he able to do that in throttlestop? It's not blocked like most other 10th gens? Very curious because I am about to purchase a Prestige 15.

 

If the Turbo Power Limits are not locked, just raise the long and short turbo power limits in the TPL window. You might also have to check the FIVR - Disable and Lock Turbo Power Limits feature. Not exactly rocket science.

It did not seem to be. 10th Gen laptops with 15 Watt U series CPUs do not go up to 50+ Watts if they are locked.

If you buy one, post your results here. An update can be installed at any time that will block and disable this wonderful goodness. Use Sledgehammer to block everything that looks suspicious. In the old days we used to have to block nasty viruses and malware. Now we have to block nasty updates from the likes of Microsoft and Intel. They are both probably employing some of the same sleazy programmers!

 

Got ya. I've really only used XTU in the past so Throttlestop is a whole new world to me. Long and Short Turbo Power Limits I assume modify the wattage so I could perhaps keep it running at a consistent 25-35W if I wanted to since I hear it throttles down to 15 via MSI. I just need to understand the FIVR and Lock Turbo pieces.

Thanks

 

If you are familiar with XTU, you should have no problem switching to ThrottleStop. It has an interface from the Windows 95 era but it can perform some real magic with a wide range of Intel CPUs, especially the new 10th Gen series. As far as I know, Intel does not intend to support their new U series with Intel XTU.

Post pics when you get your new toy if you need any help setting things up. A few quick and minor changes can make a huge difference to performance. Some people try to overthink things. No need to.