The ThrottleStop Guide

Yeah, in that case I would definitely need to use XTU. I can't do so many adjustments in the BIOS; that'd take way too many restarts, not even counting the inevitable BSODs. I also don't know if my BIOS has all those options you called (it might). I think if I OC I'd keep all four cores at the same multi. Once I get CLU (which I swear will be sometime in january for the latest) I will be hunting for 39x multis on all cores and leaving it at that. If I can set static voltage and get things working well I'll be happy. But we'll see in the end. I'll definitely be coming back to this to check when I'm ready though. As it is, I can't keep the 3.8x or 3.9x multiplier right now purely because it'll overheat when I do one or two tasks like rendering a video, which is a huge problem for me. Even though in normal gaming usage it's fine, I don't want it doing that if I'm streaming or something.

 

I'd like such feature... and I also use the hotkey function, just FYI !

Basically what I wanna achive with commandline is to set a profile at boot.. but then again, setting the AC and/or battery profile to be the a profile that is equal to "default" behavior, also works...

 

Dear unclewebb,

About my laptop (Asus N550JV), i have realised that when i stop cpu throttling with throttle stop; Gpu massively throttles. If i dont stop throttling Cpu with Throttle Stop; Gpu doesnt throttle but Cpu massiveley throttles. So my questions is; is that a laptop power supply issue? Should i send my laptop to repair under warranty? Or is that a normal laptop case?

And my most important question is; i will buy a new gaming laptop, i dont want to experience a throttle anymore, so i will look 2 specifications for my options:

A gaming laptop that doesnt throttle has to:

1- Not over temperature ( enough cooling system for the hardware and Power usage etc.)
2- Have enough Power Supply (PSU ? TDP Limit?- actually i dont know this issue to explain, i need your clarification.)

Am i right and do you have any addings?

Thanks everyone.

EDİT:
Asus N550JV has a 120 watt output power adaptor.
4700HQ has 47 watt TDP.
GT 750M has 50 watt TDP.

 

So, I just rendered out another video in Handbrake and used Dufus' tool to check. Turns out when it slows down to 3.3GHz like normal, it has the same EDP limit for both core and ring. I was checking the voltage applied though, and it was basically sitting under 1v the whole time, except for VERY brief spikes to 1.031v (none of which happened while it was slowed down). On the plus side, with the current and power limit relaxations I've done, it seems to be working a lot better; only briefly fluctuating down. Before, it would fluctuate down and basically sit there for the most part of the render. So the current limit probably helped, but I'll need to figure out the voltage thing later. Hopefully I'll have my visa card sorted out sometime by the end of the year, and I'll be able to order some CLU for my overclocking needs, and then I'll see how I can get static voltage working out and hopefully I'll have it like a well-oiled machine and teach myself something in the meantime.

Unclewebb, thanks for throttlestop; it's fixed the slight microstutter in many games that I got when I had something else up on my second monitor that I thought was to be blamed on nVidia or something, and the program in general is pretty nice to just have up. I use it as a quick temp check etc when just watching streams and stuff in the daytime if it's hot as well as it's turned on 24/7.

Dufus, the high multis program and the checking tool are also invaluable; I never thought I'd have had my machine set up and running so well. It's now performing exactly as I want it to, excepting that one little issue with video rendering and linpack which isn't big enough of a problem to cause a headache and which I'm sure will be fixed once I get my voltage/etc sorted out.

Hope TS7 comes out of beta soon =D.

 

Hey D2Ultima,

-What are you idle temperatures?

i'm sorry i havent' had time to read 256 pages of this thread.. so what is multis program and checking tool.. i only know if intel xtu which i use..

-and i have a y410p lenovo laptop with major restrictions.. fan/heat..

-I've literally come to the point of cutting a wire on my fan/motherboard that controlled the speed of the fan and now my fan is constant full speed 24-7.. it kinda sucks.. but i probably can reconnect the wire if i go to radio shack and splice the wire and press it onto the connector again..

-anyway, I have NOT installed or used throttlestop yet.. i'm wondering if this is something i should be checking into..

-basically i play games and use my laptop for movies etc..

my temps right now while browsing and listening to music..

 

My idle temps with auto fans are somewhere around 50-60 degrees in the daytime, usually 40-50 at nighttime. At full speed it's mostly 50 degrees or under at any time.

 

so you are telling me you can get only 50 at full speed? here is mine..

stress test for 5 minutes.. i've been wondering to buy some thermal paste and repaste.. of course i don't really feel like doing that.. but..

edit* - and i'm not even running a game..

 

It seems I misunderstood what it was that the PROCHOT 100 box did. I see now why that didn't make any sense and I thank you for correcting me. The box kept checking because the processor was hitting 100C and that box only indicates that such a thing has occured. Just to make sure I'm not making improper assumptions about the other PROCHOT label, unchecking the BD PROCHOT box disables that function from triggering, no?

Yes it was. I was using it because it was easier to just let it run in windowed mode with monitoring tools running side by side and I didn't have to be in front of it the entire time. I think the problem is that the CPU and the GPU share the same heatsink in a Macbook Pro, so when one is stressed, they both are affected in a way that they might not be if they each had their own heatsink.

I was honestly trying to get that slightly higher core clock to hold without throttling, thinking that there might be a way to make it work. I have since ceased to attempt that core OC. I thought that, since throttling kicks in no matter what, the core OC couldn't hurt to try to get stable. I failed to factor in the fact that it is possible that there are no settings that would allow me to keep that higher core clock but I might be able to hold the stock clock with the right settings.

I have seen some people posit this theory in threads around the internet while I was doing research on the topic. The idea is that Apple has not allowed for enough wattage to max out all of the components. Since gaming is one of the only things you could do that really push the entire system hard, and Mac OS doesn't really have any particularly demanding games, perhaps they didn't plan for the scenario that I and many others face when we use Bootcamp and Windows to play newer games on our $2600 laptops. My power adapter is the 85 watt Magsafe adapter. I will do as you suggest and snag one of those Kill-a-Watt meters. I think I saw them on Amazon for around $12.

I did as you said but that didn't do it. Once I realized that it wasn't working, I first turned off the Intel Power Balance setting that you suggested I try. It helped a little to revert back to default. I was getting these really weird periods of intense frame dips that were especially prolonged and crappy. I left the TDP settings where you suggested and then I checked "Disable Turbo". I was finally able to play one whole 20 minute match without GPU throttling kicking in. I need to do some more testing on a 64-Player server. Those really stress the machine. It may turn out that I simply have to play on 32 player or lower servers. Either way, it seems like I'm finally seeing some real progress.

Indeed it is. I'm beginning to see that. The college I attend chose to make the deployment of these Macbooks standard for most degree programs. If I had been allowed a budget and given an option to choose, I would have built a far more powerful PC for less money. I almost never move this Macbook away from my desk anyway, and I am in GAME DESIGN. Of course I want to play games! Sometimes for enjoyment, sometimes for assignments. They told me when I asked about this glaring flaw that OS X is easier for people to learn to use. I completely disagree, especially since most people get far greater exposure to PCs throughout life. My plan is to sell this thing ASAP. I have it listed on a local and a national sales site. In the meantime, I'd sure love to be able to use it and I have to admit that this issue has piqued my curiousity. I must know how to fix it, or if it can be fixed at all.

NOTE: I reinstalled the original drivers that come with Bootcamp for my GPU. The BIOS for them reads as "[MODIFIED]" in the info pane of NvidiaInspector. Nvidia told me when I called their customer service that the drivers for Bootcamp are specially tweaked by Apple. For some reason, Apple didn't see fit to tell me that. They are the ones who told me to call Nvidia in the first place!

 

I meant full fan speed and idle usage. My room/place is very hot and humid.

 

Will it support 5th gen Intel Core processors?

 

As long as I am alive it sure will.

Merry Christmas

 

And a very merry Christmas to you too.

Take good care of yourself, unclewebb. Please don't die on us. :cry:

 

Unclewebb must be immortal. He is not allowed to die XD

 

Unclewebb, will we be seeing a non-beta Throttlestop 7 soon? =D (is afraid to lose his TS7 at year end)

 

Bad news. The next TS 7 will be another beta.

The good news is that I recently found a CPU register that controls the cache ratio so I finally have enough info to add some new features. Intel XTU allows me to control 3 of the voltages on my 4700MQ. Thanks to Dufus, the next version of TS 7 will allow a person to access all 6 voltages; CPU core, iGPU, CPU cache, System Agent and the Analog and Digital I/O voltages.

I have been sitting on this info for a long time but it wasn't until I had some time this last week that now I can finally get these last important features added to ThrottleStop. The info bomb that Dufus dropped on me was overwhelming. It took a while for it to finally sink in. Stay tuned for the next beta.

 

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS *laughs evilly*

 

As always, thank you and excellent work! Can't wait to run the next version.

 

Here is the progress report.

http://i.imgur.com/RomPXHa.png

I am a regular user of CPUID HWMonitor but I think it has a problem reporting negative offset voltages. In defense of the programmer of HWMonitor; if Intel wasn't so secretive and paranoid with their documentation, mistakes like this would be a lot less likely to happen.

In order to avoid confusion, I added a voltage monitoring panel to ThrottleStop for the 4th Gen Haswells. With 6 voltages to play with, I wanted to make sure that users could keep track of their adjustments.

If my 4700MQ was actually getting 3.103 volts, I would be heading to eBay about now. The HWMonitor VID looks correct considering the voltage and offset being reported by ThrottleStop. Most of the hard work is done. I just need to hook up the new voltages, maybe add a cache memory benchmark for tuning purposes, and then I have to do some testing to make sure all this new stuff works..

The clock is ticking. I am hoping that the next beta is ready tomorrow.

Thanks for the encouragement. Happy users is what keeps me going on project ThrottleStop.

 

These things have I wanted for a long time. This is delayed Christmas present for everyone. Christmas presents should come before Christmas ...
... Thanks

 

Nice. I can appreciate the amount of work going into TS, hope the users appreciate it. Yeah, the HWMonitor bug was reported a long time ago but nothing done about it. Looks very much a case of using unsigned instead of signed integers. HWiNFO64 use to do the same but at least the author fixed up early on. Guess that secret (NDA?) info those guys get from Intel wasn't up to scratch. :/

Not yet, hopefully in the next release? That was for a i7-5500U which does support voltage adjustments BTW, no extra locked bins though or coarse BCLK.

 

It should be fairly easy to add support for any CPU that is Core i based. It is the Atoms that I haven't got around to adding yet.

If you have a CPU that doesn't work, can you post a CPU-Z screenshot so I can have a look? That saves me time trying to figure out what a 5500U is.

I knew my friend papusan would be happy hearing the good news.

 

Mmm voltages

 

My bad.

 

Unclewebb asks for CPU-Z screenshot. Dufus produces 4.18x more information.

#GoodGuyDufus

 

Hey Unclewebb or someone, which throttlestop should I use with my 3940XM? Getting some weird throttling in XTU stress test when I set it to @4.2GHz on 4 cores.. I'm on high performance power plan but after a minute, the voltages drop and the clocks drop to 3.8GHz on 4 cores.. I have core limit at 120.0A, Max Turbo Boost power at 65W and Short Max at 70W and voltage increase of 15mV... Don't know what is causing this.. It's just like after a minute, the voltages drop and this happens... My Temps are like 85C so it's not thermal throttling.. OS is Windows 8.1

 

Set those max turbo powers to no less than 100W for that thing. Current limit sounds fine; the voltage should be okay. God, I'm becoming Mr. Fox.

This is not a bad thing.

 

Power is not the problem.. it doesn't een reach 65W... In Firestrike seems to hold clocks.. I'm going to try some games and see if it's similar...

 

Can you send me a link where I can download the latest beta? My copy says the beta is already expired. I tried the 6.00 but I don't see the funtionality to adjust voltages like how I can on beta version. THanks!

 

The Christmas present from Santa Claus UncleWebb is only slightly delayed.

 

That's very odd. I know my CPU takes whatever it feels like. Yours at much higher clocks and voltage should take more than mine, especially being the XM edition. Throttlestop doesn't work?

 

Haven't used it yet.. My original question was whether for Ivy Bridge to use the 6.00 edition or the new beta 3?

 

Hotwell processors are much more power hungry than Ivy processors under load. A maximum overclocked Hotwell extreme processor can use as much 40-50% more watts than Ivy extreme processor during benching. A i7-4900mq may well use 100w under bench tests. This is as much as a hefty overclocked previous generation Ivy extreme processor. Turns one up volts and overclocking on a Hotwell processor then it is not energy friendly any more, it becomes like a power hungry monster.

 

Oh I know it is real bad... just that an i7-4800MQ at 3.5GHz with a -50mV undervolt should NOT draw as much or more than a 3940XM at 4.2GHz with a 15mV overvolt. The problems with Haswell's power consumption don't stretch THAT far.

 

This is the answer to your problems and keep the clock: m17x R4 has a power limit problem. TDP is maxed at 68w, turbo time window is limited at 56s.

 

I have a i7-4930mx. because of the 30-bit screen, the intel GPU is completely disabled. which allows me to OC to 44/43/42/42. I haven't been able to push higher for the single core. don't know why. but so far. if it's not too intensive. for example, lightroom. it can sustain 4.2ghz for a couple of hours.

do you need any details on what the CPU could do with it's GPU disabled?

 

You have a 30-bit screen? Whot? I was of the opinion that 10-bit were the most advanced... you jumped straight to 30-bit?

Anyway. 4930MX chips should be supported by throttlestop properly.

 

oh no, the Beta 3 has expired.

 

He'll have TS7 beta 4 out decently soon. Until then, there's the full TS6 version you can use (though a couple features may be missing)

 

Now soon begin all users and nag already on UncleWebb again. Without Trottlestop and Xtu no overclocking on laptops.

 

yeah, I got a hp zbook spec'd with dreamcolor panel. because it's a 30bit screen. the intel GPU is disabled. even installing intel GPU software. it states GPU not found even thou my 4930mx is a standard CPU. so I presume that it's configured to be disabled by the factory in the bios

 

Paps my friend, I don't even reach 62W when I was benching so the 68W limit is bollocks.. I was using 62W at max.. Now the thing is in games, like BF4, my CPU holds constantly at 3.8/3.9 GHz when I've set it to that.. I'm going to try 4.0GHz today and see how it goes..

 

A bit late for several reasons but Merry Christmas (holidays in general) and a Happy New Year to all

 

Ok so when I tied to open TS 7 beta 3 today it gave me this message. "This beta version has now expired"

TS is free, right?

 

My master plan was to work hard on getting a new version of ThrottleStop ready but then I stopped and had a look at the balance sheet for 2014.

http://i.imgur.com/PRDZaEv.png

Let's see now. There have been almost 150,000 downloads of ThrottleStop 6 from TechPowerUp alone and ThrottleStop 7 was coming along nicely but during the last 6 months, not a single user contributed anything to ThrottleStop's survival.

I just remembered. That PayPal account also includes donations from more than one million people that downloaded RealTemp last year. Come on people. I have heard of free loading friends before but that is a bit much. How can I afford to buy new hardware and further development with a budget that looks like that? For 2014 I received a grand total of two donations.

I am not here today begging since that is against NBR policy. I simply want you to understand why there is not a new version of ThrottleStop ready to go today. User apathy.

I love helping people out and I enjoy writing software for the user community but it has become a one way street so I have decided to quit. Until I can find a way to make some money for my efforts, I am suspending all further ThrottleStop development.

Your name is appropriate today.

No worries. The last beta should be dead simple to crack. Keep an eye on the warez sites and I am sure something will show up in a day or two.

Yes, TS 6 is completely free but I have decided not to release TS 7.

 

Well, I feel bad about that, but I understand wanting something for good work. I don't have anything to give now, but I hope things pick up in the future and you do decide to release it. Does TS6 work for the same timeperiodAC command? I feel kind of bad at the thought of cracking TS7 (I haven't turned off my PC in forever; TS7 is still running for me XD)

 

webb, you have to consider something. paypal is not available in some countries like china. hence I have never been able to use ebay. it would have been easier if there was another form other than paypal.

 

Wow... just wow. The last time I checked neither realtemp or TS had any sort of link to your paypal via a button or just a straight link. if you expect donations so badly then make it easier to access. Making a post like that is just ridiculous. We understand that people can't work for free if they have other things in their life that need priority but you should have stated sooner that you were looking for more "donations" in order to continue development. Lashing out at the end and saying you are no longer going to be working on it just leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

Not only that but if your only form of accepting donations is paypal then you are also going to lose out on many potential donors, maybe consider adding in more methods? Re-release your programs with direct links to your paypal and any other method you accept? State that you need them in order to continue development?

Just some suggestions. If you ever feel the need to continue development I will pitch in what I can from now on but you should really make it more clear what you are expecting and provide easier access.

One last thing,

"I removed the Donate button a while ago from ThrottleStop. As long as users are mostly happy and can use their laptops at the full Intel rated speed or a little beyond, that is payment enough for me."

What ever happened to that?

 

Well UncleWebb, I am sorry this hasn't been working out well for you. I personally haven't donated but I have toyed with the program from time to time, so I guess you can include me on the "freeloader" list. I won't be freeloading anymore, but don't be expecting any donations, I am done.

Just so you can remember why a guy like me hasn't donated:

 

You can ask Godfafa_kr about what you should do as he has overclocked the A17 r4 when he owned his own .. http://forum.notebookreview.com/member.php?u=644197

 

well since there is no more TS7 and I think we should respect the author's decision and thanks for all his work to proof it is do-able
That said I have examined information available on the public and believe we could write a open source alternative instead.
All the control to intel cpu is well documented and there is open source driver to control cpu in windows
I am playing around with the open source Open Hardware Monitor - Core temp, fan speed and voltages in a free software gadget and going to use its code as a base to start since I am familiar with C#. I will probably create a separate thread for this work