The ThrottleStop Guide

UncleWebb, what the hell is wrong with you?

You expected donations when you removed the donation button months PRIOR to October... What the hell? Do you happen to suffer from Alzheimer's? How in the hell are people supposed to donate when you said you don't want donations and you actually went out of your way to REMOVE the donate buttons to really ensure people can't donate? Talk about mixed signals, jesus, what a psycho.

If you don't want to develop the program anymore and want to disappoint people, then say so, don't make up some BS about people not donating when THEY HAD NO POSSIBLE WAY TO DO SO.

If you want donations, HAVE A DONATION BUTTON AND ASK FOR DONATIONS, and people will gladly donate. Hell, I would have donated. This is not the right way to go about asking for donations.

 

Please, let's avoid namecalling of any sort. People have their lives to contend with, and while I can understand the problematic bit of the situation at hand, it's on unclewebb's end to decide what he wants to do with his creations. In the meantime, let's all try to reach a common understanding in order for a constructive progress to be achieved.

EDIT: And yes, donations had been discussed in the past, just not particularly made clear as far as I'm aware.

 

agree, I have created a separate thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...ource-project-intel-cpu-throttle-control.html for work I am planning to do to create a open source TS alternative

 

Namecalling is not going to get anyone anywhere.

 

honestly i would be pretty happy to pay for throttlestop 7, or making it donationware... i cant find donation link or details on the program or readme files, though i must admin I havent looked very hard.

 

Echoing what others have said, I would be happy to donate (provided some sort of link), but I've been following this thread and as others have pointed, I've seen you reject donations offered by others, so I was under the impression they weren't needed.

Thanks for all your work and patience answering everyone's questions unclewebb!


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Seriously.. you completely remove the possibility to donate AND say you don't want/need any and that 'people being happy is enough' and then you say this? I truly don't understand you.
And to completely stop the entire project and not even turn it into shareware... unbelievable..

Sir, I adore your work and would gladly donate or even buy your program, but you're sending THE most mixed of signals and frankly, the way this is has gone is head shaking puzzling to me.

I can only hope you will reconsider.. at least to bring us a new beta WITH the donate button, and then see how it goes with cash flow.

 

I have to agree 100%, if it wasn't for all of this I would have felt differently but this actually kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Basically we thought you did not WANT donations at this point. Many of us would gladly donate if we knew you actually wanted them. I know many developers that will refuse any sort of donation so I thought this was the case... clearly not. You should really reconsider what you have stated today...

 

Guys please keep it cool and reread the forum rules if needed. No name calling, bypassing the word filter or asking/discussing cracks is allowed, no matter how frustrated are you. I'm sure unclewebb will reply to all your questions at some point, meanwhile keep it civil and show some respect!

 

ATG, apart from the one post (I'm sure you know which one) we are keeping it civil. We are frustrated with what he said and are simply explaining why. I'ts hard to show respect when things like that are said.

 

In my view this whole turnaround is really too sudden. Just last week he was all excited about the voltages and such.
I believe it is a emotional response to his realization that there are almost no donations for his hard work and that he will reverse course once he understands that we WANT to donate, but that we've been stripped of any means to do so, plus his statement about not wanting any basically stopped anyone in their tracks, I mean, he could be filthy rich and just doing this for fun and really for the good feelings of users...

So Unclewebb, please read our responses and heartfelt wishes to support your efforts and enable us to do so. We're all fans.

 

Hi guys, first time poster, hows it going.

I had my gaming rig crap out on me and I have college starting back up again so my wife got me a laptop to tide me over (what a doll). Not a bad lappy, obviously not for gaming but it holds its own. Problem is, it throttles like crazy! Looks like im in the right place but I cant get it to work so a little help would be great.

Teh wife had originally gotten me an AMD laptop but it throttled so hard while gaming that I exchanged it up a model or 2 for the haswell i5 but it does the exact same thing. And I mean exact same thing: The processor on both laptops would throttle down to 1164mhz when running a game-doesent matter what game, it stays up in the 2.0ghz+ range for about 30 seconds and then plummets down to 1164 and fluctuates right around between that and 1.3ish. Both laptops NEVER got over 58c, no matter what I am doing so I dont think its a temp thing. If I was to take a stab at it, I would say its hitting its tdp and then crapping out. I didnt pay for a 1164mhz laptop, I paid for a 1.7ghz laptop that turbos up to 2.7ghz. Im not even getting the normal stock clock amount and that makes me upset.

Additional info- Im using 2 screens on my desk, so I am able to watch all the temps and clock speeds in real time.
They are both HP laptops, so it seems like some thermal/tdp scheme from them-possibly.
The laptop im on right now is a HP 17-115dx (the amd was hp 15-f111dx)

 

IMHO I think that was stated just to emphasize all the work has been done for free. The "straw that broke the camel's back" was probably big_vultures comment.

Unclewebb has spent a huge amount of his time developing TS and providing support with peoples questions but only a small handful of people have responded with feedback and thanks. Personally if I were in Unclewebb's shoes the lack of feedback and comments such as big_vultures would leave me thinking why do I bother when I could be doing other things such as getting my life back, probably why I will never develop such an application myself

I do all my own mods/software and don't need TS or XTU for myself but more than happy to do some testing for Unclewebb and help when I can as I have a lot of respect for what he has done and some understanding of the effort he has put into it. What ever Unclewebb decides to do with TS will not change that.

 

More people should take distance from regurgitated (disgusting) from big_vultures. Who bother creating software if there are such people who do not appreciate their tremendous effort so that enthusiasts can have more enjoyment of their hardware ..

 

thou I cant send money from china due to china's policy of money flow. but I can send him a 4930mx or 4940mx. it's cheap here in china. for about 160USD.

 

4930MX is $160 USD in china? O_O. TO MAURY STREET I GO. SOMEBODY WILL FIND ME ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH TO SELL MYSELF.

 

Please Unclewebb, don't condemn all of us loving and willing to donate users in lieu of one moron's overly emotional and rude response.
And FTLOG, add a donate button.

 

And this is why I always tried to help out if I could. I'm not someone with much money, so donating is usually out of the question unless it's my time I can donate. But I do agree, a lot of people have been quite mean toward him here today. You'd think they'd ask if anything was up, or what should be done. But no, "hey, this is broke, let's not wait or ask, anyone know of a quick fix?". I don't blame him for what he did. I just wish I knew if TS6 would work with the TimePeriodAC thing that I've become addicted to. I still have TS7 running... but that is because I have not restarted my PC in a little over 9 days, XD.

 

It is just stupid, quite many of us were using this program and now it is not working anymore. Maybe this program made me to buy Haswell ULV... And now? If he wanted money, why did not he told us earlier? For example "Guys, if you like my program, send $10 to [email protected]"

 

i have already paid you for your hard work now you have smacked me in the face nice (not) please tell me how i go on now thanks

 

How about you all stop being hot-headed teenagers without filters and let the man think for himself on how to proceed. He doesn't want to stop, just look at what he was working at, he was quite enthousiatic. So it's only understandable that he's somewhat disillusioned now.

If we all support him by our heart felt wishes to continue and pledges to support him financially if able then I'm sure he will regain the motivation to help the people that matter.

There will always be ingrates and people that simply don't deserve to use this software, but let's hope he doesn't victimize the good ones among us.

Unclewebb, ignore the idiots and focus on the love you must surely read here too.

 

I have just read through the last comments in "The ThrottleStop Guide".
I have to say I'm pretty confused with your last statement, because it is totally opposite of what you said to me via PM recently.

I'm was trying to PM you this rather than bringing it here, but you have blocked all PMs, so I have to do this way.
Maybe you had a bad day(s) recently, maybe bad New Year start or somebody just pissed you off and I can understand that, but I think we deserve proper explanation - same as you deserve better support, respect and donations to your project, no doubt.

Looking forward to hearing from you again. You have my support.

 

I would happily donate a bit to you Unclewebb as I have tinkered/tried this program before however, like everyone has said, there has to be same way to do it.. I hope you reconsider your decision and make some way for us to show our appreciation for your work and provide you with some motivation to continue..

P.S: Everyone please keep calm.. Nothing will be achieved getting riled up..

 

just so you known i am not a teenager as you said, i was asking now what do i do as he said he stopped it because no one was paying for it, i have given him money because i liked his work what he had done, i use it everyday and can no longer use the app, so would like to find out for i can use it now

 

very interesting job Unclewebb and Dufus are doing

I was wondering if I could get some help over here

I have a L502X laptop wich I Bios and hardware modded a little, including descriptor unlocking (more info on my signature)

it have an hm67 chipset, I managed to unlock BCLK controls on XTU by modding the Intel ME firmware settings.

my next goal is try to get the max from the CPU by unlocking turbo limit multipliers controls

I have a i5-2430m (sandy bridge)

by default if have

a max of

30 multiplier for 1 core
28 multiplier for 2 cores

I was wondering how I can tweak that by raising those values, if posible over 30, or if not posible, at least set the 2 active cores multiplier to 30 instead just leave that for 1 core.

here you have the MSR values

Code:

0x194 0x00000000 0x00010000

Code:

0xCE 0x00000800 0x60011800

Code:

0xE2 0x00000000 0x1E000407

Code:

0x1AD 0x00000000 0x1C1C1C1E

I tried to set 0x1AD to 0x00000000 0x1E1E1E1E to set all the cores to 30, but it didnt worked, I suspect some bit is locked preventing me to change the configuration.

what bit I have to unlock?

any advice about where should I start?

edit:

this is how currently TS looks



as you can see, the CPU multiplier get stuck on 28 when forcing to 29 and 30

I get higher frecuency because of the BCLK OC, but I would like to get at least the 30 multiplier without the need of use only 1 core
I want to get more from this CPU if posible.

 

You can still use version 6 unlimited and version 7 if you set your clock back to before 2015 until someone releases a fix.
But let's all just wait and see and motivate this top software engineer instead of demotivating him with foul attitudes and language.

Still, Unclewebb was quite emotional in his initial response so I do understand that some people who really love his work had a similar response.

 

Is it possible to do undervolt with version 6?

 

If not, use XTU.

 

Don't think so, could be wrong, but either way you can also undervolt with Intel XTU.

 

Guys not a tech guru here just a simple question. I'm running Intel turbo boost (TB window is always open). When playing a game, should I close the TB window and leave TS running alone? can they run simultaneously? AW M11x R2, i7 U640. Thanks.

 

Many laptops don't work fully with XTU. I know for my ultrabook only TS works for changing the voltage. Would be nice to hear back from unclewebb. I still have not been able to find his paypal link anywhere....

 

is there anyway to get around the 15w tdp of the haswell ulv processors? seems you either get max cpu usage or max gpu usage, but not even close to both at the same time. Perhaps I am misunderstanding how this actually works but it seems almost like false advertising. this i5 is rated at 1.7ghz and turbo up to 2.7ghz and when i have graphics up of any kind, I instantly go to 1164mhz and it just stays there. Thats neither 1.7ghz or 2.7ghz. Hmmmm

 

unclewebb please, there are people that are willing to give donations to u, just simply put a donate button so we could have known where to donate...
Please release ThrottleStop 7 .. Im begging you Sir !!

 

<s>Seeing as how TS7 beta 3 doesn't have the voltage control option that the unreleased TS7 beta 4 has... I don't know how you managed to do this. And before you tell me no, I have TS7 STILL RUNNING right now. There are no voltage control options.</s> found it

There is no way to pass that 15W limit really. You might be able to relax it to 17W or 20W or something, but it depends on your laptop and the allowances it has. I've also heard of laptops which cut the TDP allowance to 13W on those chips, which even further hurts their low performance.

 

Thanks for the reply! Monitoring with Throttlestop shows that it does indeed reach its 15w. Messing around with a few setting can net me 17w but its very very unstable....I would love 20w but unless there is a newer version that fixes/smooths these issues out, Im not sure.

 

Yeah. Those chips are seriously locked down, and manufacturers sometimes lock them down further. Hope it at least performs a bit better with TS6 running.

 

LOL, you clearly have no clue what you are talking about then.
http://s29.postimg.org/rd9w7w587/Untitled.png

 

Well im still messing with it, seems like most of the option have no effect except for the TPL menu and thats what causes the most problems. I can force it to use level 2 which is supposed to be 25w if I understand it correctly but I dont know what to do after that. Just forcing lvl 2 will allow up to 17w but only for the duration of the turbo, which after about 30 seconds of being in a game gets kicked in the nuts and i go right back to 14.9w and 1164mhz cpu.

I tried enabling the intel option " Intel power balance" but im not sure if the cpu and gpu boxes are supposed to be the wattage and they both need to add up to the peak wattage or if the numbers mean something else. Messing with that is what makes it super unstable. I tried putting the cpu at 12 and the gpu at 13 and thats when it crashes. Changing those options do have an effect however. Putting the cpu higher and gpu lower does indeed make it run higher, say 1.5 or so and the higher priority i put cpu and lower i make gpu the higher it goes- you know and im sure you get the idea. Problem is, I need both to be at max, not trading power in lieu of each other!

*also, what does "Package Current Limit (A) do? Amps I assume?

 

Current limit is the amount of amps deliverable to your CPU. Generally at stock this is enough for the machine, but your brick (and board) needs to be capable of delivering more if you wish to raise this value.

Oh good, I found it. He must have simply added more in-depth stuff in the unreleased version. Good to know.

 

I hope man, if someone know anything send me a pm. Also why did not you told us before expiration you would like donations or why did not you made it paid program? I would have been happy to give $10 or $15.

 

Make it shareware or simply put a big donation button on the tool.

There are devs who are coding their apps just for fun and there are devs who are coding all night long without any additional income than their app. So they are forced to give the user the feeling they really need the money. I'm totally ok with donations popups and big buttons. But that's what the user force to pay for your app. If I have to search how to pay for I won't pay anything and you're lost.

I mean look what you've achieved here: A great tool, thousands of downloads and many active users but nobody pay for it. Please don't blame the user.

 

I think some people are confusing donation with paying for something. Donation is when you give away something and expect nothing in return. When you paid for something you have all the right to whine as much as you want about it, not that it puts you in better light to be honest, but hey it's up to you. And when you think about it, unclewebb was donating to all of you his free time, development skills and support. What he got in return? Well this... Be polite people, or at least don't go into extremes.

 

I think your pretty much stuck with what you have there. No extra bins indicated so no extra clocks and no way I know of running the stepped bins any higher than default.

Yes, I had a play with a Broadwell 15W i7-5500U and furmark really seems to hit it hard. Intel have released it with unlimited power settings but the manufacturer has tied it down to 15W and would need a BIOS mod to take advantage of running at higher power limits. I can understand limiting power on battery but when plugged in with plenty of thermal headroom and power delivery it just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

 

Was he expecting something? If so he should clearly promote this and not just release the software because nobody donated for it.
I can't find a method to donate on the first page of this thread neither on the tool itself.

 

Throttlestop 7 beta 3 has expired! Is there a newer version? Thanks

 

No. Read the thread.

 

thanks for the reply.

so there is no way to get a little more of juice from the system?

even set the max allowed multiplier (30) to two cores instead just one?

I 'm trying to unlock the bit 28 from 0xCE so the 0x1AD MSR register will become unlocked (I read somewhere the bit 28 from 0xCE is responsable of that)

I have access to the whole flash and I can try tweak the firmware more, but if the proccesor doesnt support it, well, Its probably useless ^^

so, there is nothing I can do without upgreade the hardware?

 

He removed the donation buttons on the programs and specifically told people not to bother donating because he enjoys doing it. Not only this but no one is even able to FIND his paypal address anywhere. No where in his first post is it listed or easy to find anywhere. People are frustrated because he lashed out on the community for not donating when the reason behind it is because of what is stated above.

 

What I meant is - he is by no means obligated to help, develop or do whatever he did up until now. I guess he just got frustrated of the bad and demanding behavior. Trust me that's really frustrating. If you haven't been there, you probably will be at some point (you give away yourself, yet everyone is on the top of your head) and remember that feeling. That's it. He might still stand behind his earlier words, the last post being just venting. He's the one with the final word, I'm just guessing here.

 

And the program stopped working exactly in Holiday time when people have time to play. He might have rights to stop his program, but sure not correct.