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    The ThrottleStop Guide

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by unclewebb, Nov 7, 2010.

  1. tassadar898

    tassadar898 Notebook Evangelist

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    Cant find throttlestop 7.00 beta 3 for the life of me. Does it work with broadwell? I got the new Dell XPS 13 and it has a decent cooling system but this 15W TDP needs to go haha. I have a feeling this thing can cool a 20W tdp and allow a nice performance gain. Intel XTU does not work with broadwell yet.
     
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    Incontro Notebook Evangelist

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    Personally Intel XTU works perfectly on my Y510p, but on my X240, none of the settings (including under volt) ever stick.
     
  3. gatewayfx

    gatewayfx Notebook Enthusiast

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    Four ideas to make money:

    Have links that direct to an ad before you click through to the download.
    Have an installer that gives the user an option to install additional sponsored (non-malware) software.
    Put a small ad box within ThrottleStop (many freeware developers do this)
    Start your own website and collect the ad revenue.

    I agree you should be reasonably compensated for your time. You aren't trying to get rich, but like you said it's only been a one-way street.

    BTW, both techpowerup and NBR have made money off your work... maybe try to talk to them?
     
  4. D2 Ultima

    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

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    All this good sentiments and stuff are awesome, but it'd be nice if Unclewebb actually came back.
     
  5. tijgert

    tijgert Notebook Evangelist

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    ... or responded...
     
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    DackEW Notebook Consultant

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    I tried the beta 3 with Broadwell U, but unfortunately it is not supported. So hopefully coming a new similar program or we just need to wait for full voltage Broadwell parts. Too bad Unclewebb sad goodbye exectly at the worst time period when his program really a big loss.
     
  7. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Agreed.. I find it strange that he's completely disappeared for so long..
     
  8. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Perhaps because of 1 user in this thread .. :rolleyes:
     
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  9. DackEW

    DackEW Notebook Consultant

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    Because of me left he? Ohh, i guess not i was the only who did not symphatized with his announce. Anyway I take the blame ;).
     
  10. i_pk_pjers_i

    i_pk_pjers_i Even the ppl who never frown eventually break down

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    No, I'm pretty sure he decided to leave this thread and never come back LONG before people started replying to his post.
     
  11. tijgert

    tijgert Notebook Evangelist

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    Lets all hope he finds what he's looking for and his love for ThrottleStop rekindles.
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    It was a "Bigger" fish than you! That should taken the blame .. :thumbsup:
     
  13. Branzy1987

    Branzy1987 Notebook Evangelist

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    I have one question, IF I use throttle stop on my I7 4700mq to hold all 4 cores at 3.4ghz...it will damage somehow my laptop? Xtu broke the bios...My temps are fine under 80c...
     
  14. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Lol how did XTU break your BIOS? I would suggest resetting BIOS to stock and just enabling OCing in it.. Don't enable any OC levels and then XTU can be used to mess around..

    Throttlestop won't do anything to break your laptop.. Also your temps are perfectly fine..
     
  15. Branzy1987

    Branzy1987 Notebook Evangelist

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    Last time I uninstall xtu, enable ocing like you said and BOOM...bios blocked...No post mode...so dont ever sugest that.. :p so it's something with this bios not good ...
     
  16. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Hopefully, everything is well with our friend unclewebb. For those that find ThrottleStop hard to live without, as I do, you can use ThrottleStop version 6. I find it still works really well for me. It has not expired.

    TS6.JPG

    This was caused by user error, not by XTU. Many are using XTU without issues on machines like yours. If you use XTU to set wrong values it will screw things up with the new Alienware 17 and 18. The damage is not permanent, but you will have to use this method to undo the wrong settings applied with XTU.
     
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  17. ole!!!

    ole!!! Notebook Prophet

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    tbh once used throttlestop its really hard to go without it. its such a nice program imho intel xtu should learn from it LOL
     
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    Rowoad Notebook Enthusiast

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    What is the program that you use to monitor your temps/frequencies, etc. on the right of the screen?

    Thanks!
     
  19. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Mod sensor panel in Aida 64
     
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    sk3tch Notebook Deity

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    Can someone with Throttlestop 7.00 Beta 3 please send me a copy? Otherwise, happy to buy/donate, etc. to get a Beta 4 copy, as well.
     
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    Thank you!
     
  22. ole!!!

    ole!!! Notebook Prophet

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    what theres TS7? i am still on TS5..
     
  23. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    TS7 hasn't been released.. Unclewebb's decided to stop developing TS since some people here were being ungrateful and he didn't get any donations over 2014.. Although on the donations point, I and many people would disagree with him on this as he said he was happy not getting any.. He's basically not been back since 1st week of Jan after this..
     
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    I am really sad to hear that Unclewebb has stopped developing TS, however, Thanks for your great work, time and help many members here at NBR, hope to see you back in the near future and Good luck in whatever you are doing.
     
  25. ahmadka

    ahmadka Notebook Consultant

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    Hi guys, can someone tell me if this utility can be used to underclock a 4th Generation Core i5 CPU to lower its TDP ?

    If yes, can the setting be made permanent so that I don't have to repeat it after every reboot ?
     
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    ATG 2x4 Super Moderator

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    Yes and yes. You can set up profiles for different scenarios.
     
  27. ahmadka

    ahmadka Notebook Consultant

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    So if I have an i5 CPU with a default TDP of 84W, how low can I take it ?

    Also, how would I make this setting permanent ? Like can it be set in BIOS somehow, or can it only be done AFTER reaching Windows desktop ?
     
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    ahmadka Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks. I looked at the screenshot in that post, and I don't really know how to interpret what's shown there. I don't see any setting to get a TDP value or something.
     
  30. tribaljet

    tribaljet Notebook Consultant

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    The settings you talk of can be found under Turbo Power Limits, on the Package Power Limits area, where you can limit your CPU's power limits.

    Regarding having settings applied at a more permanent manner, a good option is to set ThrottleStop to run once the system starts. Since ThrottleStop has several UI options that allow you to configure how the software presents itself to the user, it is a viable option. Instructions on how to do so can be found on this very same thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/#post-6865107
     
  31. ahmadka

    ahmadka Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks. So how certain are you that I can bring the TDP of a 4th gen Core i5 processor under 65W (preferably around 40W ~ 50W) when its original TDP is 84W ? I don't mean to doubt the capabilities of this program - it's just that I've never used it so I don't know to reliable this solution would be in the long run .. If you're sure it can be done without any problems then that's good enough for me .. The alternative would be to buy a low power i5 (the S and T models), but those are not officially available in my country so I would have to import, which would have its own headaches .. So if you think this tool will effectively transform my standard Core i5 into a low power one (when in Windows), and it can do that with firmness and reliability then please let me know and I can just buy a standard Core i5 tomorrow ..
     
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    ahmadka Notebook Consultant

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    Also, do I need any specific motherboard, chipset, or any other thing to lower the TDP using this program ? Any processor requirements or compatibility issues to look out for .. ?
     
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    alexhawker Spent Gladiator

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    No, it should just work - reducing performance of your chip is much less difficult than increasing it.
     
  34. ahmadka

    ahmadka Notebook Consultant

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    And it can be done using any motherboard or chipset for any 4th generation Intel processor ?
     
  35. ATG

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    I don't get it. On the screenshot from the link I provided above there is a profile configured with max multiplier 8x..With this configuration the CPU should draw 7-14W all the time. Isn't that what you're trying to achieve?

    [​IMG]

    Same test with multiplier set to 34x. Do you notice the difference?

    [​IMG]
     
  36. ahmadka

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    ^^ Well I'm not trying it out right now as I don't have the target processor with me yet. However I'm assuming you're setting the multiplier to change the wattage value, which in the second picture is 46.7 W .... Is that the TDP value by the way ?

    Also, what does the 'TDP Throttle' option do ?
     
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    When a CPU use lower multiplier it provides less performance and draws less power.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=i7+4700hq+tdp
    Yeah, that's the TDP.

    I'm sorry but I can't explain it better than this.
     
  38. ahmadka

    ahmadka Notebook Consultant

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    Thank you for explaining. I don't doubt your explanation - it's just that I've never done this sort of a thing before so I just want to get my facts right before making any decision. Based on what you and others have said, I guess I don't need a low-power CPU after all.

    Last question, can this be done for any and all 4th generation CPUs, or only for CPUs which support some feature needed for this? Any specific chipset or motherboard requirements needed for this ? For example, I know a Z97 chipset is needed for overclocking. I'm wondering if there are any similar requirements for lowering the CPU multiplier, which I think you're doing here.

    I'm most probably going to get a 4th Core i5 with the Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H motherboard. They would be compatible with this, right ?
     
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    Would you be kind enough to export your template and share it with the community? :)
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    It is not mine .. Create a sensor panel itself.
     
  41. ellalan

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    You can create your own Panel, from 4:15 in this video:
     
  42. Rowoad

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    Thanks mate, really helpful!
     
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    You are welcome.
     
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    I've begun getting BSODs when waking my vaio from sleep (i5 m460)

    I debugged the dumps and all the latest 3 bsods point to intelppm.sys (intelppm!SetGV3PerfState+29). Is it because Ive set an ac profile and a battery profile? Battery profile is basically on the lower multiplier and ac is default. When I wake from sleep it seems to re"apply" the profile despite not nessesarily leaving AC.

    I've disabled the auto ac/battery profile changing for now and will see if it happens again but I thought I'd ask.

    Also, its worth mentioning that it never happens during the many times I switch profiles when the pc is on... ONLY when waking from standby and I dont even get to see the screen before it BSODs.
     
  45. tribaljet

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    You can indeed bring the TDP down to a user specified value, but keep in mind that by doing so you will hit throttling much earlier. Lowering multipliers isn't a direct way to lower TDP but it can achieve similar end results like what you're after. I would suggest you use both until you find the performance/consumption ratio you're looking for.

    About the software's reliability, I can safely say ThrottleStop is by far the most efficient and stable software of this kind that I've ever used. It works wonderfully on both my Sandy Bridge laptop as well as on my Haswell Refresh desktop. However, I should add that while my laptop works perfectly fine with ThrottleStop 6, the desktop's overclocking capabilities (it's an unlocked CPU) don't work on ThrottleStop 6 and only on ThrottleStop 7, but that isn't an issue for you at all since you will only downclock it, and that works flawlessly on ThrottleStop 6.
     
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    Hello all,
    Here are my specs:
    • Model: Y580
    • CPU: 3610QM --swapped with--> 3920XM (QS)
    • GPU: PNY GTX 970 4GB via PE4L
    • RAM: 2x8 = 16 GB Corsair Vengeance
    • SATA: SX300 256 GB mSATA SSD / Kingston HyperX 90GB 2.5" SSD
    • OS: Win 8.1 x64 (mSATA) & Win 10 x64 (SATA)
    • WIFI: none, I use ethernet
    • PSU: 90W --> 120W
    • BIOS: v2.07 modded/unlocked by svl7

    I recently bought a 3920XM, upgrading from a 3610QM. One of my main reasons for getting the 3920XM, aside from the obvious perf gain, was that it is unlocked. I assumed the Extended ICC in my BIOS would unlock after putting an unlocked cpu in; e.g. a new option would appear (to remove the lock on the unlocked CPU) instead of just the default two for the "Lock ICC Registers" setting, which are 1. Static registers only (default) 2. All ICC registers

    I tried Intel XTU and it was nearly just as locked down as it was with the 3610QM, only difference being the ability to decrease (not increase) the turbo multipliers.

    In Throttlestop v7.00b3, v6.00 everything remained locked except for " TDP Level Control" which was not present before (not sure what this does either, I'm assuming selects a power plane for something?), its max value is 2. In Throttlestop 5.00, I am able to adjust and increase the multipliers (couldn't with 3610QM obv), but it serves the same purpose as only a cosmetic change.

    EDIT: In win 8.1, I am able to adjust the multipliers in Throttlestop v6.00 as well as v5.00, however it doesn't actually change the multipliers.
    Before anyone brings this up, I know the TDP for 3920XM is 55 W which is 10 W higher than my previous 3610QM rated at 45W; but I am using a 120 W PSU/charger (from the default 90W), and I disabled the dedicated 660M since I'm using an eGPU w/ gtx 970. So all of that is surely enough to compensate a measly 10W increase. Cooling is sufficient, and CPU temps rarely creep over 75 C staying well below 80 C, and averaging to 70 C. I also tried reflashing BIOS & ME FW to no avail.

    Here is a screenshot/link to my CPU-Z & Throttlestop
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    [​IMG]
     
  47. TANWare

    TANWare Just This Side of Senile, I think. Super Moderator

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    While I never used Real Temp, I do use throttle Stop even still on my P79. I rarely donate but did so accordingly with TS. Reason being is, and deservedly so, most of the stuff is crapware and rarely kept on the system long if at all. If you really loved it then you should have paid, donated, quite a while back.

    So if development stops, well then blame yourselves not Unclewebb
     
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    so where can i download 7.00 version?
     
  49. TANWare

    TANWare Just This Side of Senile, I think. Super Moderator

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    There is no official 7.0 release and there may never be. The 7.0 version was in beta but has now expired and at present there is no plan to release an official 7.0 version.
     
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    Alright Thanks for your quick response :)
     
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