The ThrottleStop Guide

I agree with Atom Ant that checking TDP Level Control and setting that to Level 2 is always a good idea but unfortunately, that doesn't always help. On some laptops, this setting might be ignored because of various other throttling issues.

The log file you posted shows that the multiplier drops down to 16 and gets stuck there. To try and correct for this type of throttling, check the Set Multiplier option and adjust that to the maximum value which should be 26 T on your laptop. Also make sure to click on the Turn On button after you do this.

In the FIVR window, set the CPU Voltage to Adaptive and then drag the slider all the way to the left so it shows Default. Below that, use a negative Offset Voltage. This setting is a real trial and error kind of setting. Somewhere around -40 mV works for me but other CPUs might need as high as -100 mV. If you go too far, your laptop will probably crash and reboot so adjust this in small increments and do some stability testing. Your tests should include light, partial and full load. Sometimes a voltage setting that works fine when your CPU is fully loaded can cause crashes when your CPU is mostly idle so your final offset voltage setting can be a bit of a compromise.

Some negative offset voltage for the CPU Cache can also reduce power consumption.

The reason I recommend not using a Static (fixed) voltage on these CPUs is because when they start to throttle and slow down, power consumption will be reduced if the CPU is allowed to automatically lower the core voltage. That's what Adaptive voltage is all about. The voltage adapts to the MHz. Reducing power consumption reduces throttling. A fixed voltage does the opposite so at times the CPU will be receiving more voltage than it needs to be stable. This can increase power consumption and possible throttling.

I am interested to see if ThrottleStop can help out your 4200U. After you change your setup, try running another log file to see if it makes any significant difference. I think it might.

Thank you. I always like hearing stuff like that, especially the good bye to Intel XTU part. I like XTU. It looks good and works OK but most users do not realize how big and bloated it has become. It is not the kind of app that I would want to run on my laptop on a daily basis. Intel lectures programmers about writing inefficient software and interfering with the low power C States but then turns around and writes software that is completely inefficient. The numbers speak for themselves.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-314#post-10026745

If you have any ThrottleStop issues, questions or suggestions, let me know.

 

Frankly after a couple of days I already noticed that my I7 4700 is running much cooler on idle using throttlestop instead of XTU, at least about 8 degrees less.

And I have been using XTU for long time....better late than ever....

 

Hi There,
I have searched and searched and not found this exact issue.
I have an ancient Sony Vaio CR11s and I ran ThrottleStop just to see the setting. I only adjusted the multipliers to see how it behaved.

I think I hit Save ....

Anyway, the computer has been more or less fine from what I can tell but what is strange is that I cannot run ThrottleStop anymore.

When I try to run it the computer just freezes and I have to do a hard reboot.

I am just curious if I changed something permanently or not?

Should I try the beta version?

Many thanks in advance!

 

hello
so i was using ThrottleStop and i saw a bottom that give me a liitle screen says limit reasons so im getting on core (EDP ,PL2) and on the ring the same what does EDP and PL2 means ?

thanks

 

No worries. Nothing ThrottleStop does is permanent.

If you ever have a problem with ThrottleStop, all you have to do is delete the ThrottleStop.INI configuration file, reboot, and your CPU will be back to normal. After you have deleted the INI file where all the config settings are stored, you can safely run ThrottleStop again and it will automatically create a new INI file for you so you can start again with a clean slate.

The ThrottleStop.INI file is the one and only place where all of the settings are saved. Nothing is hiding in the registry.

On older laptops that use Core 2 Duo processors, the FID (multiplier) and VID voltage are combined. When you check Set Multiplier, ThrottleStop will use whatever VID voltage you have selected. It is best to start by using the maximum voltage. If you are looking to decrease the voltage, only decrease it in small increments and then do some thorough stability testing. Do not save any of these settings until you are confident that your CPU is stable.

For best results, make sure you are using ThrottleStop with the Windows High Performance profile.

 

Before you start using this tool, click on each of the headings, Core, UnCore and Ring to clear this tool.

Intel Turbo Boost is controlled by 2 different power limits. A Core i7-4910MQ has a long term turbo power limit of 47 Watts and Intel recommends that manufacturers set the short term power limit to 25% beyond the long term power limit. 47 W X 1.25 = 58.75 Watts. This allows a CPU to run faster for a short period of time and then the multiplier will be reduced so it does not exceed the 47 Watt long term limit.

Turbo Boost can also be limited by current. My 4700MQ has the Current Limit set to 85 Amps. Many newer laptops seem to have this set significantly lower. Intel lets manufacturers set these various values to whatever they like. EDP stands for Electrical Design Point. That really means Current and PL1 and PL2 represent the power limits.

Temperature used to be the one and only reason for throttling. Now there are 101 reasons and most of these are related to power consumption. Limit Reasons helps explain many of the reasons why your CPU is throttling.

There is a separate thread for ThrottleStop discussion in my signature. If you need some more info, post your questions there. There hasn't been much feedback about this tool. It was written by another NBR member, Dufus, who has contributed greatly to ThrottleStop's development.

 

Indeed, and that is the numero uno reason why new tech is so stinking goofed up. Their focus is totally misguided and retarded.

Thanks for providing such an excellent response @unclewebb. I'm going to merge this with the official thread.

 

Many many thanks! That worked fine1

 

So @unclewebb I discovered another useful feature. You have four profiles set for various things, right? The thing that seems to not stick for them is the cache ratio min/max over to the right side. For example, if I want to limit my max OC to 30x cache and my stock run to 35x cache, I'd need to manually change the max cache ratio every time I switch profile (which slightly defeats the purpose of the profiles XD). If you could (at least optionally) have this tie into TS8's profiles, that'd be a great feature.

 

@ D2 Ultima - Thanks for the info. I will see if I can add this feature to the next release.


Edit - Is the Asus forum server not working properly this morning or is this a sign that Asus does not want me talking anymore about their laptops that start thermal throttling at only 85C. Keeping users in the dark is the easiest and cheapest way to fix a problem.

 

Access Denied...

I hope that was just an isolated issue, @unclewebb. If not, Asus just went on my "do not buy" list along with Dell.

 

Don't know why it isn't already on your "do not buy" list if you're looking for a pro-consumer gaming laptop

 

Hello Unclewebb, here to report TS8 b2 won't minimise to an icon anymore (from TS7) or allow me to check the boxes for showing cpu and gpu temps (even if i manually enable them from the ini file). Thanks for the nice work!

 

Have you downloaded and run the notification icon cleaner to get it to do this?

 

Hi,

on the same line as TnF ,, my throttlestop autostart fine i can see it in task manager programs ... but no tray icon ... but i can see cpu temps e.t.c weird...

 

i don't know anything about "notification icon cleaner" do i need to run this? where can i find that?

btw i was using throttlestop 6 before and i had the icon...

 

Basically RTFM. A lost skill in today's world, it seems.

 

When I have the time, I will look into fixing that bug. Until then, cleaning the Notification Area always works for me. I might also build a magic button into ThrottleStop. No manual required. Push the button. PUSH the button.

 

Ikr. It's like people who start games then ask me what the controls are. GO SET UP YOUR BUTTENS. GOSH.

Anyway, did you get the PM I sent you a while ago?

 

Hello
Thank you for all your efforts - TS really helpful tool.
Just wana report you little bug in app:
It seems like package C-state switching locked somehow by vendor on my NB (package C-state limit button disabled) and probably this cause wrong label on active C-state selection:
When profile #1 selected - it displays "C7s"
Rest of profiles displays C1
Even so it correctly report that package spend significant amount of time in C3 state.

Thank you

PS: please make this tool hide to tray (don't close app) by ESC button when "Minimize on close" option selected

 

Tried it (notification area cleaner), didn't work at first, but after you run it while TS8 is running it fixed it. Now let's reboot and see if it works..

 

As long as you don't run any other version of Throttlestop after fixing it, it should work. I once ran TS7 after fixing it for TS8 and not only did TS7 not show up, but TS8 stopped showing up too.

 

I've never seen my chip hit C3 or C6; can you elaborate more on what's going on?

Un-check "task bar" on the main window and it should go to the system tray when minimizing. If minimize on close is selected and taskbar is un-checked this should cause closing it to also minimize to the system tray.

 

Thank you for reporting that bug. I usually only use Profile 1 so I never noticed that before.
I will try to get that fixed up in the next version too.

That trick has always worked for me. Thanks for your help @D2 Ultima.

 

Sorry for not answering. I was busy. But I tried a few things.

First thing i tried was ram disk. In one game i didnt felt any laggs. So i thought it was the HDD
So i tried a SSD and nope its the same problem but now the clock frquency isnt dropping anymore which is weird because the lags have the same kind of behaviour.

2. I run throttlestop in monitor mode only. It feels a bit worse than with throttlestop being on.
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HjXvpr1q

The next think i gonna do is monitoring with gpu-z i assume?

 

@ VxO - Your log file shows that you are running on battery power the entire time you are testing. Most laptops are not designed to run the CPU and GPU at full speed while on battery power. Many laptops will throttle significantly when on battery power. This reduces power consumption and protects the battery from damage.

Laptop battery fires really do happen. Go to Google and type in laptop battery fire and you will see why manufacturers throttle their laptops when on battery power.

 

Probably these C states prohibited in BIOS (for example mine hit C3 about 30% of time but never deeper sleep states even all 4 cores in C7 more than 90%)

What you telling about is how it could work ... but it doesn't ...
When you close app (hit close window button) it does hide to system tray ... But when you hit ESC button it just exit

PS:
Just checked thoughts and found that having only one active display (builtin or external doesn't matter) double package C3 from 20..40% to 50..90% when idle .... even so it doesn't hit C6 state on my NB.
Checked friend's Yoga NB - his CPU can hit C6 ....
Assuming there are lots of external things which may limit your CPU power savings capability, from vendor lock to drivers and other software running on your PC

 

Well... just... minimize it? Instead of hitting ESC? Not to bash what you're asking, but you're looking for a very minuscule convenience that isn't really necessary due to TS8's minimize (and close) buttons.

 

Well, that's really not big deal to hit ALT+F4 or CLOSE button... but ESC behavior a bit disappointing... I would rather never hit ESC but when do so accidentally I have to launch app again.

 

There are a variety of ways for a manufacturer to block the deeper package C States. ThrottleStop can adjust one of these methods if it was not locked in the bios but I know there are probably other methods that ThrottleStop does not know about or does not bother checking. Maybe someday.

How often do you have ThrottleStop open and how often do you press the ESC key? I have been using ThrottleStop for years and I didn't really know about this "feature" until you told me about it. To be honest I kind of like it as is. I like it when I click on the Close gadget and ThrottleStop Minimizes to the System Tray but there are times where even though I have this feature turned on in the Options window, I wish I could just Exit ThrottleStop instead. I used to right click on ThrottleStop and I would have to select the Exit menu. Being able to just simply push the ESC key is going to save me some time now.

For ThrottleStop 6.00 there have been over 200,000 downloads from TechPowerUp and another 100,000 or so downloads from various other sites. No one has ever bothered to mention the ESC key and you are the first person to report being disappointed by it. Thanks for your feedback.

 

I can guarantee you the same **** happens if I run on the power supply only.
Do you want another test with the power supply only running? Its the exact same behaviour

 

Just wanted to let you know that your laptop definitely needs to be plugged in for maximum performance. Sure, run another test but this time, use GPU-Z or some other monitoring software and monitor the speed of the GPU. I think GPU throttling might be a bigger problem than CPU throttling.

 

Hello how come some options are greyed out like limitreasons and TDP throttle and PROCHOT and when i enter TRL menu overclock checkbox is greyed out also voltage ID has nothing in it just blank and grey? thanks in advance would appreciate help

 

As I thought. The GPU has the exact same behaviour as the CPU. Clocks itself down at the same moment.
It always clocks down in the first run at the same time with the CPU
After the first run you can see the load is somewhere around 80% and it runs smooth. Not even reaching max clocks. Just in the first 4 minutes it stutters / lags.
I dont get it

http://pastebin.com/Gm55Gis9

 

When you ask a question, it is always a good idea to post a screenshot of ThrottleStop so I can see what CPU model you have.

ThrottleStop does its best to support as many Intel CPUs as possible that have been produced during the last 9+ years. It supports the old Core 2 Duo CPUs as well as the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and now the 5th Generation Core i CPUs. That's a lot of different CPU models and each model has different features. Putting all this functionality into one tool is kind of like putting in extra blades and screw drivers and pointed sticks into a Swiss army knife; hoping that each one might be useful to someone and that nothing falls out.

If an item in ThrottleStop is greyed out, that usually means that feature is not supported by your CPU. Intel included 3 new registers in their 4th Generation Core i CPUs that keep track of the reasons why a CPU is throttling. The separate Limit Reasons program by Dufus shows this information.

Based on what you have posted, I am guessing that you probably have a 1st Generation Core i processor. Your CPU might not support overclocking or that feature might have been locked by the bios. The 1st Gen CPUs do not report VID voltage so if ThrottleStop can not read this information from the CPU, it will not report anything.

Me neither. Your laptop has some throttling issues but I don't have any experience with your laptop model or manufacturer The throttling that you are experiencing might be a feature of that laptop model. You would need to head to a forum for your laptop model and try to find out if other users have the same problem. Maybe there is a problem with your power adapter. Until you find out what is normal for your laptop, it is difficult to say if it is operating any differently compared to other similar models or compared to when it was brand new.

Unfortunately, some laptops are poorly designed and beyond help and they cannot be fixed with ThrottleStop or any other software. Poor design is poor design.

 

http://tinypic.com/r/sllevo/8 uhh here it is sorry for that

 

Hello unclewebb
ThrottleStop 8.00 b2

from a Endconsumer
in Europe Germany

I have to thank you that you have invented this tool me sincerely.
This tool has me a lot with my problem helped,
and I wanted to say thank you to you.

I Have pay a new Mainboard with a Prozessor
Gigabyte GA-X79-UD3 and Intel®_Core™_i7-4930K_CPU 6x Cores.
This can not turn on the Energiemanagement on
Windows XP Sp3 Professional the Prozessor Driver
Intelppm.sys run not on this Windows.

Gigabyte and Intel Support have say no more Support for XP
Only from Windows 2003 Server to Windows 10
the Intelppm Driver run from Standalone on Installed Windows.

Only Easy Tune6 B13.0924.2 can the same do like your Tool
but Your Tool make me Happy the Easy Tune6
brings me the pc start always in bios
not saying yours. This is the right Way.

Have a Good and a long Happy Live with Your Familiy and You.

xenocracy_2001

PS:
when it is a full version of Version 8 which no longer time expiried
Your Tool Expiried in 01.10.2015 I depend on your tool ThrottleStop.

 

Why are you using Windows XP with an i7-4930K?

 

I seem to be having some issues with CPU overheating while running games, I add some "Idle" screenshots to show my current settings, the CPU temps seem to top out at around 95°C and my GPU a GT 540M hits around 87°C which i'm relatively happy with, I know laptops get hot but this seems to cripple the system if I don't use Throttlestop, I'm even using a belkin cooling pad but its really pretty useless.

I am currently using an Unlocked (modified) ACER BIOS with decreased voltages which has also helped to some degree, it means overclocking is not an option cause it crashes the system but it does seem to keep the system cooler. The BIOS is really bad on this model cause there is no true fan control, the fan is static, and won't ramp with increasing temps, I know there is no "one size fits all" settings but given my settings below do you think you could point me in the right direction? I'm running Windows 7 by the way.

I will try to add some BIOS screenshots to the post later, but its tricky cause I will need to use the phone, please help if you can and thank you for an amazing software.

 

You limit your CPU to 1.6GHz for gaming and you still overheat?

Sir I would sell that laptop I'm really sorry that's unacceptable you should sue Acer for swindling your money with that

 

I love Windows XP is my favorite Windows . However, all other I have purchased up to ( Windows 10 Insider Preview program ). I Play no Games. And with my own Icon with "Resourcen Hacker"

 

With a multiplier of 16 its bearable, do you have any suggestions?

I don't think I will be issuing a law suit to Acer any time soon, i'm stuck with this monster

 

Perhaps you should consider a new proper paste and a good application if not this been done before?

 

How about that hidden option you mentioned? Can we try that for once?

 

Thats' a good response, I actually do hardware repairs part-time though so change the thermal compound relatively frequently, I know i'm clutching at straws here, but is there anything in my settings I should maybe look at that could help?

Below u can see the max temps i'm getting currently.

 

your laptop triggers me, you should seriously sell it. ANYTHING you can buy now is going to perform better than a laptop that overheats at UNDER HALF THE DESIGNED SPEED

 

You have already put your CPU to 1.6GHz for gaming. A higher clock only makes heat problem worse. Lower clock speed is meaningless . How was the temperature of the CPU and GPU when your laptop was new and processor running at stock clock speed and maximum load? It does not help with a good thermal paste if the application is not done well enough. Something is definitely wrong. Which thermal paste you use and how you apply it? What Acer laptop model is this?
Edit: If there is a similar Acer laptop you have as in the links; Then it's no wonder you have heat problem. Switch to a better paste and do the job properly. Ic7 or Gelid extreme. Or buy a better laptop .
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-5755G-Notebook.68113.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-5750G-Notebook.46094.0.html
I helped a friend a while ago to fix the heat problems in his Packard Bell EasyNote TS11. A proper application of Gelid Extreme worked very well I recall. His laptop worked fine afterward with stock clock speed on processor and gpu in gaming and other use without major problem . The laptop worked much better with Gelid extreme than when his laptop was brand new. There is no doubt that the result will be much better with a proper thermal grease...

 

Even a 100% perfect die->heatsink heat transfer is useless if the fan's not running properly to cool off the heatsink. Zero fan control is unacceptable and never heard of any other laptop that only has a single x rpm mode (not even an 'off'). Something's wrong ... no laptop can be that terrible ...

Flash latest bios+ec and swap in a different fan. Tachyo or its wire might be damaged ... what rpm does HWiNFO report?