The ThrottleStop Guide

Two suggestions, I've launched throttlestop and it tells me it's expired but it still sets the power profile I was using previously so it's still functional as such. Secondly if that doesn't work have you tried the Intel XTU utility? That might work (it's big and bloated compared to TS but it works).

 

Where do I get latest version of Throttlestop? Thanks.

 

UncleWebb will share it here when it's done - the current version still sets up the new profile before it quits with the error message. You can also set your computer time back temporarily to configure your settings.

 

I am sitting waiting for your next beta @unclewebb It will be exciting to see how high VCCIN voltage listed and what this new adjustment can provide. There is no other software that can display such information for laptop processors . Maybe it's time now to put a price tag/donation of Throttlestop so that we can provide you resources to continue your excellent work(new hardware is not free for you either). Create a similar website for this as Prema. Looking forward for new version because XTU sucks in comparison... I'm pretty sure you know this .

 

[Insert rant here about how Throttlestop is free and it will be released when it's done]

Now seriously for a second you guys. Great job on the new version with VCCIN, Unclewebb. Take your time and release it when you think it's ready.

I'd donate to TS as well if it was possible since I use it on all my laptops that run Windows and it's what makes them decent machines. Shame on OEMS for messing up BIOSes, their settings and laptop designs so badly that we need a program like this. In a perfect world a tool like this would be called OverclockStart/UndervoltGo instead of ThrottleStop.

To stay on topic of requesting free stuff asap: "ermagherd wheres teh ThrottelStahps fer Loonix plx omg! Relase nao!".

EDIT: if you seriously want a link since the one in OP seems dead, PM me if you're too lazy to Google.
~Aeny

 

Relax bro it was an innocent request

 

Not to downplay Throttlestop, but weren't the Alienwares capable of adjusting CPU input voltage (VCCIN) with XTU while using the unlocked BIOSes? Is it incapable of directly reading the value on its own?

 

Aw17 have only one choice for adjusting VCCIN in Xtu and that's 1, 2, 3v and higher. Aw17/18 with Hotwell haven't unlocked bios and I don't think other Aw models with unlocked bios have more options for this voltage settings in Xtu . And VCCIN should normally be from 0.4 - 0.6v higher than all other voltage settings in FIVR. And the new VCCIN reading/adjustment in Throttlestop is a nice new improvement for laptop Oc enthusiasts.

 

Ah well. That sucks. What can ya do~

 

I think VCCIN at 1.8v is more than enough for up to 4.6-4.7ghz. So 2v processor input voltage in Xtu settings is overkill up to 4.4-4.5ghz It has turned out that VCCIN at 1.175v is enough for 4.5-4.6ghz on an average 4670K/4770 K. It should not be so different with a mobile i7. I have always want that voltage adjustment/reading in Throttlestop and finally now we can have this feature thanks to @unclewebb Only important information that are lacking in Throttlestop now is real-time (adaptive) Cashe voltage reading.

 

I've found two distinct advantages using throttlestop (over the Alienware Bios Overclock options) - switching presets (I can stick it into maximum mode, high performance but not maxed out, restricted (no turbo) and minimal mode) using keyboard shortcuts. That's awesome, and each mode is not simply a frequency change but a lot of other settings included providing superior control over power states at a touch of a ... wait that sounds too much like an advert.

Secondly the AW bios doesn't always trigger high performance modes and I regularly boot up and notice that turbo mode isn't actually active. Without XTU or TS I would have an underperforming machine and never know why. (that's with overclocking enabled in the Bios)..

I have seen unlocked bios mods and they have some great extra options for voltage but so far have not needed to access that because TS does enough for my limited CPU anyway. When I get the 3940XM I'll also explore whether or not there is any real benefit from having the unofficial bios mod installed or stick with the current windows8+ (A13) bios I'm using.

 

I had an Acer 6920g running throttlestop to play diablo3 and worked very well. Unfortunately that laptop died on me. I now have an HP elitebook 8530w.

Hardware :
T9600 2.8ghz factory cpu
2 x 2gig ddr2 factory ram
160 gig factory hd
Nvidia Quadro FX770m factory gpu

Os :
Win 7 Ultimate sp1

Could someone please help me set up throttlestop on this machine as I seem to have some throttling issues when playing diablo3. I have looked on this forum for other users with this laptop using throttlestop but could not find any. Also looked on blizzard forums but no luck there either.

I did read somewhere that it may be possible to enable dual IDA on this machine and if that is true, please link me a guide or steps to achieve this.

Thanks guys.

 

Throttlestop 6 should work fine for you; link should still be in Unclewebb's signature in the OP, as well as a guide to using the software.

 

I discovered (at least for me) that putting the date back before october, running TS 8.00 beta2 and then returning the date to normal immediately afterwards allowed me to continue as normal.

 

I wonder if someone could create a script to accomplish this upon login...

 

Really? Lol...

 

The Command line also has a date command - so I implemented a basic script (attached)

The script (rename from .txt to .bat)
1 Saves the date to the folder it's executed from (use the desktop or the Throttlestop folder)
2 Sets the date to Sep 01 2015
3 Pauses with a message - Run throttlestop now
4 Returns the date to the previous

It's not perfect but at least it's an easy work-around for now.

 

Wait... couldn't you make it so it automatically runs throttlestop, depending on the directory of it? You'd have to use the start command to run it so that batch gets control returned to it then it could return date to the previous.

 

Took the liberty to mod it just a little.
It changes the current date, fires up ThrottleStop and sets the date back to what it was previously, automatically.

You'd just need to adapt it to your ThrottleStop folder, if it's different than mine.

Code:

@echo off
del date.txt
date /T >date.txt
date 01/09/2015
start "" "C:\Program Files\ThrottleStop_800\ThrottleStop.exe"
ping -n 3 127.0.0.1 > nul
date <date.txt
exit

Copy this to notepad (or your favorite plain-text editor) and save it as .bat, and set a schedule to call this .bat during log-on


Reminder: You need to place this .bat in a writeable folder (e.g. Documents), otherwise it might have a hard time writing the date.txt file.

 

Thanks man I used the start command as you suggested. Then I had the problem of not needing to press any key so to create a synthetic pause I just ran the ping command to 127.0.0.1 with a null output. That pauses for a few seconds and then returns the date back to normal.

If you edit the path in the script to your own, then create a shortcut using the minimal window option then you should have a transparent TS workaround. Thanks for the input!

Code:

echo off
del date.txt
date /T >date.txt
date 01/09/2015
start D:\Portable\ThrottleStop_800\Throttlestop.exe
ping 127.0.0.1 >nil:
date <date.txt

 

Thanks for this man, I was just posting myself so didn't see you modded it.. I love this community

 

I am not a big fan of putting any files in system folders nor leftovers.

Code:

@echo off
date /T >C:\Program Files\ThrottleStop_800\date.txt
date 01/09/2015
start C:\Program Files\ThrottleStop_800\ThrottleStop.exe
ping -n 3 127.0.0.1 > nul
date <C:\Program Files\ThrottleStop_800\date.txt
del C:\Program Files\ThrottleStop_800\date.txt
exit

Adjust path C:\Program Files\ThrottleStop_800\ if necessary,
save with text editor as ThrottleStop.bat file, run it with administrative privileges.

 

Me neither - I use a portable folder so no admin rights required (except that in this case Throttlestop uses admin rights itself). I also had put the batch file in the Throttlestop folder and run it via shortcut so the date.txt goes into the TS folder, not the system folder. Thanks for pointing that out for others though.

 

ThrottleStop 8.00 beta 3
https://www.sendspace.com/file/tmc96z

New Features:
- added 4th Gen VCCIN reporting and adjustment.
- added Non Turbo Ratio reporting and adjustment.
- added an option to delete the Notification Area icon.
- improved support for 6th Gen and low power Braswell / Cherry Trail Atom CPUs.
- started a work over of the Turbo Power Limits window.

First off, thanks to Dufus once again for sending me the necessary information so I could add VCCIN adjustment to ThrottleStop. Without his help, I would have been forced to quit this project years ago. Based on user feedback in this forum, I added some additional safety features so users don't get too carried away.



My 4700MQ shows a black screen if I go down to 1.77 volts. It doesn't crash but likely the Intel GPU doesn't like the VCCIN being too low. On a TDP limited mobile CPU, raising the VCCIN tricks the power consumption reporting so this can actually free up some headroom and reduce throttling when overclocking while fully loaded. If this works on a low power U CPU, this trick might be a very useful new feature.

I read that some of the desktop Pentium G3258 chips like a healthy dose of VCCIN when being pushed to the limit. Might want to save the 2.50 volt option for those guys.

 

Hey, sorry to bother you, but I have a really quick question. Does this beta expire like the last one did? If so, do you think you could tell us the date it expires?

Thanks for all your hard work.

 

For me it stays in Task Panel forever and I can't find a way to delete it from there and put it to notification area. Anyone else with this?

Was beta 2 the same? I have a feeling that was the reason I stayed on beta till now.

 

Actually, the radio button moves to the main window, which makes it more accessible. I was also confused at first.

 

Bless you sir

 

Can I use the vccin feature on 4712hq or it will be harmful/useless?

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Hey Unclewebb, thanks for the new version and for your work.

I've managed to get as low as 1.7070V on my 4700HQ. Should I aim to get a lower or higher VCCIN?

 

Great works ! Thanks again (Like always

 

Changing VCCIN might be harmful. I do not have any long term experience with this feature so I cannot promise or guarantee anything. The use of the VCCIN feature and the use of all ThrottleStop features is at your own risk.

On my 4700MQ, increasing VCCIN improves full load performance because it tricks the CPU into reporting that it is consuming less power. This allows the CPU to use more Turbo Boost so it runs faster at full load.

@James D - If you have any problems with the Notification Area icons, read the included ReadMe file and follow those directions. There is also a new option in the Options window called No Notifcation Area Icon. Make sure this is NOT checked if you want ThrottleStop to create a System Tray / Notification Area icon on the lower right hand side.

@i_pk_pjers_i - I think beta 3 expires around January 2nd. I was hoping to buy a new system so I could add full Skylake support to ThrottleStop but my daughter decided going to college was more important. There should be a new beta or final version before January.

 

Thank you Unclewebb for the Beta 3! Installing it right now!

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hey Unclewebb,

could you send me screenshots of your 4700MQ configuration on TS beta 3?

thanks,

M

 

Thank you @unclewebb for the Beta 3. Nice work. Have disabled XTU . About time, LOL
I must say thanks to @Dufus too. Thank you. Nice work .
Have a question. Have always used 2v processor input voltage in Xtu. Why was VCCIN registered as default with 1.8v in Throttlestop? Xtu run in the background before the activation of Throttlestop. Is there a particular reason for this or is it just a standard settings in Throttlestop before you change this yourself? Thought Throttlestop recorded 2v when Xtu had put Voltages already.
Edit: Created by the way a thread in the Hwinfo forum about volt reporting from laptop hardware. http://www.hwinfo.com/forum/Thread-Add-VCCIN-reporting-for-AW17-in-Hinfo64


@GTMoraes You should test your processor properly before lowering VCCIN voltage further. VCCIN should be 0.4-0.6v higher than the next highest voltage. Some Bga chips have pretty high core voltage by default . Perhaps you could test the processor and iGPU simultaneously in bench tests.

 

It went through a day full of bad coding with infinite loops, multiple virtual machines running, many copy operations and now that you've mentioned, also though stress tests. No issues at all @ 1.7070V
Can't find a way to test the Intel GPU exclusively, as it always calls the NVidia GPU when the need arises. It doesn't crash, though.

But as I said previously, do I look forward increasing or reducing my VCCIN? I've seen that it's good to increase it because it tricks the computer into longer turbo periods (which is nice), but will it drain the battery quicker? I could set a AC profile with a high VCCIN and a BAT profile with low VCCIN.

How much is too much for this 4700HQ?

 

i5-4210U here, with the crippled Acer machine, where the CPU power limit is actually 25W, but it gets throttled below 15W, when the Nvidia g840M is utilized.

To my greatest pleasure, this feature does work, it seems a bit buggy, but still I could manage to extend the point when my CPU gets throttled.

First of all, the highest valid VCCIN value I can set is 2.3047, anything higher doesn't work. Maybe this is not even a bug, just this chip's limit? Also I have no idea what is the default value, but do not really care at this point.

To demonstrate the effect, check the package power @VCCIN default, under extreme stressing


And here the same load, but increased VCCIN to 2.3047



From 23W to 19W. Impressive.

Thanks to this feature, (and a little undervolting) the CPU and dGPU can be stressed 100% simultaneously for unlimited time period. (Assuming more real-world like stressing, like TSBench, wich is now running fine @Max clock, and package power stayt <15W. Of course the 15W limit is still there when the dGPU is utilized)

So many thanks again to UncleWebb, and Dufus for this great piece of software!

Also, the VCCIN setting seems to work a bit randomly, and i could not find a pattern yet to understand the behaviour.
What surely works, is running TS, popping up the FIVR, VCCIN range to 2.5V, and setting the slider to 2.3047 and hitting apply.

If I decrease the slider thereafter, it is working also, I can see that the consumption grows accordingly, until I go too low, and bad (and strange) things happen (BSOD most of the time, but i got some interesting screen flicker too sometimes)

If I try to increase the value again, after decreasing it, the value seems to be written, but it does not affect the power consumption (eg. @1.8V VCCIN, under load the consumption is 23W, then I increase VCCIN to 2.3047, it seems to get written, but package power under load is still 23W)

I hope this feedback is useful, if there is anything I can help with my ULV CPU I'm happy to do so. It would be awesome to extend the range of this feature in my case, to trick the CPU into consuming less than 15W under the heaviest load.

 

Is increasing the VCCIN as risky as increasing VCORE? I'm tempted to do so, because my Lenovo does about the same thing.

 

I've increased my VCCIN to 2.1 and it can hold my desired 3.1GHz indefinitely, at 45W (throttles at 47W). Previously, it'd throttle to 2.8GHz at 47W.
I've also pushed it up to the friend's 2.3047v and I managed to hold 3.3GHz @ 47W (throttling from 3.6GHz).

Bear in mind that this is only the TS Bench test. When I fire up the RealBench (and it kicks the GTX860M and the Intel HD), I get 2.8GHz @ 47W with 2.1V (from 2.5GHz previously) and 3GHz @ 47W with 2.3V. Temps rise to 90 C quickly, but doesn't get too far from 95 C (partly due to IdeaFan, that kicks the laptop fans to 100% for a couple of seconds -- no, it doesn't ever run at 100% normally, even at 100 C)

Now I'm just wondering if 2.1V is safe enough for daily usage, or if I'll have an expensive paperweight in the near future, with this VCCIN.

 

That's interesting. When TS beta 3 starts for the first time, if it does not find the TS INI file or if it does not find VCCIN settings in the INI file, it reads the current value from the CPU and then it uses that value in all 4 of the TS profiles. ThrottleStop does this with the majority of the settings in the FIVR window. I thought that would be the safest thing to do in case someone was already overclocking or they were already using Intel XTU.

On my 4700MQ, Intel XTU does not show any VCCIN information so when testing, I had nothing to compare to. I also do not have any documentation from Intel. I think ThrottleStop is reporting VCCIN correctly but when both programs are running on the same CPU and they are accessing the same VCCIN voltage register at the same time, anything is possible. If you want to do some testing, completely exit Intel XTU before starting ThrottleStop without an INI file. You could also do the same test after booting up without running Intel XTU to see what your default settings really are.

 

This is interesting... to those who are getting better performance and lower power consumption after bumping VCCIN, I have a question:

How does it affect your temperatures? From what I know, bumping voltage should make things hotter and draw more power, regardless of what's happening. It'd be interesting to see that raising the voltage to the whole processor and not just Vcore has such an interesting effect.

 

I think it just reports the power draw wrongfully. Wattage is (or should be) calculated by Volts x Amps. You could draw 1000W by using either 100V and 10A or 200V and 5A, but the power draw will be 1000W anyway.
Perhaps the system only calculates by how many amps are being supplied, or something, then you trick it by increasing the voltage. I don't know...

Temperatures seems to rise faster, even though the speed bump is small (+200MHz for extra 5~7 C), so it does seem to stress the CPU more.

 

Then it seems we need to check something else.

I know for sure from watching others that the CPU is not properly efficient with how many amps it draws. It's rare, but sometimes we run into a user here who can actually undervolt so low that their chip gets hotter than it does with a lesser undervolt, and current limit throttle shows up. Raising amps kills the current throttle but bumps temps.

It seems like these chips on average draw more amps than they need in general. Lowering voltage causes them to draw more amps, however they usually are still within their limits, but the CPU won't draw less amps at a higher voltage for efficiency sake. It's why undervolting is not universally effective.

 

There was no insistence on "releasing NAO!" I just haven't used it in a while and was going to test it on the new Skylake. And feature it in my new review.

I know full well about "free stuff" as I've offered free stuff for a large part of my life. Best place to get the code is from the source. Google just throws me to some unknown/questionable sites, not going to bother with them. Since this thread has become more or less then official release outlet, I'd rather get word from UncleWebb himself. I've had discussion with UncleWebb in the past and also offered donation, but he was happy I featured his program in one of my reviews. I wasn't pushing, just official link was dead. b2 version was timed out.

We have b3 this now. Thanks UncleWebb!

 

So to use the VCCIN feature we need to know the maximum Voltage the CPU can reach then decrease/increase it? if correct, when should we increase and decrease it?

sorry noob here

 

Is AMD mobile processors is supported?

 

Long answer: Read the OP

Short answer: No

 

You can play with the VCCIN setting without knowing anything. I think the default for my 4700MQ is probably close to 1.80 Volts. Manually increasing VCCIN beyond this point lowers the reported power consumption so you can use this feature to trick the CPU and run a little faster when fully loaded. Adjustable VCCIN for many of the mobile 4th Gen CPUs is completely new. No one knows yet if there will be any long term problems or damaged CPUs. Adjusting VCCIN too high and then stressing your CPU with something like Prime95 could permanently damage your CPU. That would not be good, especially if your CPU is soldered to the motherboard.

I think the maximum for my 4700MQ was somewhere around 2.30 Volts, similar to what was posted in this thread earlier. This feature is still in the experimental stages. A desktop CPU like the Pentium G3258 might be able to accept a higher VCCIN value. Most desktop CPUs and desktop motherboards should have a lot more adjustments in the bios for stuff like this so in those situations, ThrottleStop might not be necessary. I plan to do some more hands on testing in a day or two.

@HTWingNut - In theory, TS 8 beta 3 should mostly work on Skylake CPUs. Skylake no longer has FIVR so all of the recent features added to ThrottleStop will not be of any use on Skylake. I am glad to see that Intel put voltage control back on the motherboard but that is going to limit the usefulness of ThrottleStop. The only bug I know of at the moment is the Load % is being reported too low on Skylake. I have seen examples of fully loaded Skylake desktop CPUs reporting about 24% Load when they should be reporting 100% or close to it. I know the source of the problem so I am going to try and get this fixed up early next week.

@lakondas - I tested my 4700MQ and also found that the maximum VCCIN possible was 2.3047. I am not sure if the desktop CPUs have this same maximum limit but I seem to recall someone setting the VCCIN for a G3258 well beyond 2.30 volts.

 

Hi,

I have a challenge for the throttlestop experts here.

I am using a fan-less Panasonic FZ-M1 windows 7 toughpad to run a GIS navigation software my team has developed. It has an Intel core i5-4302Y processor.
The software is made to be used for long periods of time (3-4 hours) during which the screen must be turned on.
Our problem is that the toughpad overheats, reaching temperatures of 80-85 degrees celcius after about 15 minutes and it begins to throttle. After a few cycles of throttling which brings down the temperatures to the 70s, the clock speed gets stuck on 600 MHZ (X6 multiplier) and the software and graphics stops running smoothly. Once this happens, only restarting the toughpad will free the clock speed.

For many reasons which I won't go into here, this is the hardware that we must use on this project.

We've tried using a costume bios from Panasonic which set the core frequency to a steady 2100 Mhz.
We've tried disabling the turbo boost, which made the clock speed run at a steady 800Mhz (X8 multiplier)
We've tried setting the core multipliers to 16 (the lowest it would let us).
But in all the above scenarios, after 20-50 minutes of running our software the clock speed would go down to 600 and stay there.

Since I'm very new to this whole throttling business, I believe there are many more things I could try with Throttlestop but I just don't know how to make full use of it.

I would appreciate any help,
Thanks a lot