The Ultimate AMD Trinity Notebook List

But brother my laptop's new. Just 2 months old. How much dust can enter the compartment in 2 months?
I've heard AMD overheats; Is there a issue with my processor?

And thermal paste? It's a brand new piece of hardware, why does it need modifications? It's supposed to be in perfect working condition.

 

dunno what the deal is with the v5-..... the v3 gets very good reviews Acer Aspire V3-551-8469 NX.RZAAA.008 Notebook PC - AMD Quad-Core A8-4500M 1.9GHz, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6 Display, Windows 8 64-bit, Black at TigerDirect.com
re: i3 vs a8 you can look them up on passmark etc to get a feel. no contest on graphics however - laughable

 

"amd" does not overheat. poorly vented laptops overheat. lots of laptops overheat. heat kills.
if there is debris in the airflow, that would do it. it happens. humans put them together

 

Factory thermal paste is usually crap. Plus it's usually not applied properly either. I've frequently dropped idle temps 5-7C and peak temps as much as 10C on a factory new laptop. It's unfortunate but it happens.

In many cases it 5-8C won't matter much to many users, as long as their laptop doesn't lock up or the fan doesn't spin like crazy. But for picky users like me, or if you get a machine that locks up or reboots, etc on its own, then there's likely an issue with the heat/thermal system, likely paste.

 

Well AMD used to have a reputation for overheating with their desktop chips back in the very early 2000s. I built one that succumbed to frequent overheating and crashing.

This is an attempt to logically understand the whole repasting thing too. Yes machines are built by humans but we are humans repasting it. I give you OEMs will use budget paste. But wouldn't it be bad for business for OEMs to use substandard equipment (paste) and then have failures and warranties to deal with? Does not make good business sense.

I would figure that a laptop with the paste used should be good enough to keep the CPU under normal use within standard operating temperatures else that business is asking for trouble. But maybe I am giving businesses too much credit.

 

Usually you'll be fine with the manufacturer's paste job for a while, but it's typical to experience problems within a year or two. Many manufacturers only offer one-year basic warranties, so most customers are out of warranty when they start having problems, and my experience with friends who have experienced this exact situation is that they typically just buy a new laptop. They justify this because the performance has degraded (due to heating and bloat/malware issues that could easily be prevented if they took a half hour to learn about these things) and because they can get a brand new laptop for $400 at Best Buy. Note that the heat problem is not just the paste, but also clogged vents due to lack of proper maintenance by the owners.

The business value of added sales due to poor paste jobs probably outweighs the cost of shipping and minimal repairs for notebooks that overheat while still on warranty several times over. If you were catering to your shareholders before your customers, what would you do?

 

Like I said, most people won't even notice or care, as long as the device performs, most users don't have a clue about system temperatures. Factory paste is very cheap stuff that hardens over time, like in less than a year which results in higher temperatures. Plus everything else Fat Dragon mentioned like dust, malware, bloatware, etc. To apply paste properly takes time that the OEM's don't want to spend on the machines. Not to mention the quality of the paste and cost. They use whatever is just "good enough".

It's that way with most any product. They ride a fine line between just good enough and minimizing warranty. Not just the paste but across the board they weigh the cost (including time) to improve the process or product vs. what it costs them to warrant x% of laptops. Unfortunately it's simple economics and customer satisfaction also rarely comes into play. They estimate $1M in warranty repair costs vs $2.5M for using a better paste and the labor cost involved in applying it better.

 

There are different standards for applying paste. In the past they might even have just used a stick on thermal pad which was terrible.

Some places actually recommend just plopping some in the middle and push the heatsink over it and let it spread by sandwhiching it. I would not do that, I spread it myself in a very thin layer everywhere. Which one do you think an assembly line does?

 

I've seen all sorts from an assembly line, a pad, a line squirt, and a thermal paste that is really thick that they stick on like a pad. For mobile CPU's there is no IHS or integrated heat spreader, so it's not a bad idea to spread it to make sure the entire core gets covered. But I still use the line method and spread it out using the heatsink just by adding pressure. I usually add more than normal to make sure the entire die is covered. You're more likely to introduce air bubbles if you spread it manually.

 

I don't believe this. I have pasted many CPUs and removed the heatsinks many times after to find nothing but uniform application of the paste across the contact surface. Conversely I have removed several that were likely installed by just pushing the heatink down on them and they have pockets or areas that didnt spread, likely from non uniform application of pressure. Those also seem more likely to dry up, but I have removed my own many years later and they are still gooey. When spread, it should be very thin, like a film, and there wont be any issues. So perhaps its more in the technique, but I dont think spreading it manually is more likely to cause an issue. Doing either incorrectly will.

 

gents this is only tangentially related but since we have Radeon experts here I'll ask... I've seen this before and it bugs me a lot. about every other Rev of Catalyst, I'll get just awful looking font display on my big screen ... this is a 46" sony bravia -gorgeous display, and I use a 5570 card to run vids mostly - streaming and hdd .. different filetypes. no issues with video quality.
what happens is, rev the drivers, and instead of crisp black fonts all of a sudden I'm back to these imprecise fuzzy things, and no matter what browser I use, say in the address line, I get this odd looking mix of coloration to the fonts - from gray to sorta semi-black, with no pattern to it. in the past I tried making adjustments to cleartype, gamma, etc to clear this up with only partial success - in one case I finally gave up and reversed the driver install. everything was fine then.
so here we are at v. 13.1, the uglies are back.

anyone have some tips for me as to how to get un-angry about this?? I really don't want to install 13.1 on my other machines for fear of just doubling-down on fontugly

 

Ask the rep here at NBR from IC Diamond. They did tons of studies, including soliciting users here to provide glass slides of how they applied their paste and fully recommend the line method over spread method. It can't hurt to spread on the heatsink and CPU and wipe off with a cloth to fill the micro voids ahead of time, then apply the bead of thermal paste.

 

Maybe the line method is easier to not screw up for the inexperienced

 

With most pastes, the line method gives the same result as a well-executed spread with less work and less chance of botching the job.

 

It came today and I knew it was a long shot, but no go. No options in BIOS or even overdrive to increase speed either. It's running at 1600MHz. But I will try it in my Clevo.



edit:

Here's the Intel HD 4000 3DMark11 score with an i5-3360m CPU (P749/Graphics 641): http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5686476

That's a significant improvement from stock of less than 600, but still a far cry from the A10's 7660G.

 

Aw, I was hoping it would've worked! Then how did that person at Tom's get their 7660G to use 1866 RAM?? Modded BIOS maybe?

 

Can you check in Single Channel mod too? Maybe that is how the guy managed 1866MHz speed. Keep the Memory for Richland too, but as I see you can already benefit from in the Ivy Bridge system .

 

HT check these 6475b motherboards out, one with the WWAN connector and one without:

With:

Without:



They're both $200, but if it was me I'd scoop up the one WITH the WWAN/mSATA connector!
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=6475b+motherboard&_sacat=0&_from=R40

 

Thanks, but I'm all set. Already invested more in this machine than I wanted. Not sure if I'm going to be keeping this one anyhow.

 

Is this upcoming 8550/8570/8590 trinity gpu going to be enough of an upgrade?

 

Here's single channel, still 1600MHz:



I wish I knew someone who could mod the BIOS and bump up RAM speed. I may ask Prema, but not sure if he's familiar with this BIOS.

 

here another hp 14 inch laptop HP Pavilion Sleekbook 14" Laptop 4GB Memory 500GB Hard Drive 14-b110us - Best Buy

 

I'm not sure who is Prema, but this what 1866MHz Memory would do. Makes me more sad ULV APUs are 1333MHz limited. At least who buy standard voltage Trinity laptop has the chance for Richland and Kaveri upgrade .

LOL, the desktop version Trinity can handle 2400MHz DDR3 too...

 

Mobile trinity is locked to 1600mhz at the CPU IMC level, not the bios level.

 

It looks like there are two new E-series APUs available now from HP for the HP Pavilion Sleekbook 14z-b100 series. From HP's site, it appears that the only difference is on the CPU side, maybe just clocks are different? Maybe increased clocks and shaders on the GPU side and 1333 RAM support (probably still just single channel)? I'm not too sure.

HP Pavilion 14z-b100 Sleekbook | HP® Official Store
AMD Dual-Core Processor E1-1200 + AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7300 Series Discrete-Class Graphics
Included in price
AMD Dual-Core Processor E1-1500 + AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7300 Series Discrete-Class Graphics
+$10.00
AMD Dual-Core Processor E2-1800 + AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7300 Series Discrete-Class Graphics
+$25.00
AMD Dual-Core Processor E2-2000 + AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7300 Series Discrete-Class Graphics
+$35.00
AMD Dual-Core A4-4355M Processor (2.5GHz/2.0GHz, 1MB L2 Cache) + HD 7400G Discrete-Class Graphics
+$50.00
AMD Dual-Core A6-4455M Processor (2.6GHz/2.1GHz, 1MB L2 Cache) + HD 7500G Discrete-Class Graphics
+$75.00


From CPU-World:
Notes on AMD E2-2000
Integrated Radeon HD 7340 GPU with 80 shader units runs at 538 MHz, and up to 700 MHz in turbo mode
The processor supports memory up to DDR3-1333

 

the high end e2 would be nice in a 12"er - but nobody is going there but hp in the dm1 followon, and the sucker is as expensive as a A8 machine. no way I'm going there
Shop AMD

 

Just swapped my HP G6 from an A6 to an A10. Starts fine but resolution is low, corrected that on restart, but when retested the WEI, it went down (?!). Should I install a different amd/catalyst driver? It has the stock hp stuff that came with the A6.

 

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for the A10 and who did you buy it from?

Try using your computer like usual and rerun the WEI. Next I would repair or reinstall the original HP AMD video drivers.

Finally, I would install the latest 13.1 WHQL drivers from AMD.

What RAM are you using?



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Probably a mid-life refresh. Intel does that all the time, though the most recent specific model numbers I recall for an example are when they updated the i5-520m with the 540m, and I think they bumped the 720QM and 820QM to the 740QM and 840QM as well - in those cases I believe it's just a minor clock increase from one to the next.

 

Yup, that's just it.

 

I got it off ebay for $130. Hes the cheapest on fleabay but it took 1.5-2wks to FL because hes in mainland China. I'm using stock ram for now (one 4gb 1333)

I uninstalled/reinstalled the hp driver but still get 4.9 graphics WEI (was 5.1). I installed 13.1, re-eval'd WEI...still didn't change. 13.1 seemed pointless anyway. You can't really change any settings in CCC and the HP driver (8.941.1.0) was released just after 13.1. I'm pretty sure they are one and the same.

How does Windows Aero determine the graphics rating anyway? I should probably use a better benchmark app. I'm not really into all that....yet. I just didn't expect a decrease right off the bat after swapping the A10 in.

 

A10 7660g cross firing with a 7730m GCN GPU (So maybe now MSI GX60 will crossfire with 7970m?):
http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...-a10-4600m-trinity-review-29.html#post9050778

Asus Vivobook U38DT review from notebookcheck
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-VivoBook-U38DT-Subnotebook.87737.0.html



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The review of the Asus U38DT is great. I just don't understand why the hell Asus and AMD haven't fixed the throttling issues before sending it for review!
That's completely amateur. Even so they got a great grade for this notebook.

 

That it does, and I already posted that in this thread the day Catalyst 13.1 came out, though seams like only HotWingnut noticed it. So far all it improves is the 3DMark11 GPU and performance scores, and kills the combied score for some reason, and improved WEI from 6.7 to 6.8. So far in games nothing good, it performs worse in World of Tanks with Dual Graphics on, but I find this to be due to CPU bottleneck and the iGPU using shared resources makes it worse.

 

Well, first off, 1333 RAM is going to really hurt the graphics performance, comapred to 1600. And single channel will hurt it significantly as well. So you need two sticks of 1600RAM to really benefit from this APU graphics.

If performance remains low, it may be throttling, are you monitoring temps, did you use thermal paste on the APU to heatsink, or maybe it didnt get all of the pins down right or heatsink secured quite right.

 

^What he said lol

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Guys,

Since some of you bought a HP Probook 6475B, maybe you can help me a bit.

I just received my HP Probook 6475B from a friend of mine who ordered one for me in the States. I asked him to order one for me since this model is not available in Indonesia. I bought the version with A10-4600m, 8 GB of memory, and 1600x900 screen. However, I have a little bit of a problem. I think one of the memory slot is not working properly. In Windows system information and system explorer, it says 8 GB detected, but only 3.45 GB usable. CPU-z detects both memory slots as being filled but only single channel is activated. When I only fill in the bottom memory slot, the laptop doesn't even boot up. The final straw is that when I bootup using memtest, it only detects 3.5 GB.

I asked the HP tech support and he said it is normal. He said the top memory slot needs to be filled in order to bootup. However, I am not sure that's true.

For anyone who has similar laptop, can you please take out the memory from top memory slot (only bottom slot is filled) and see if it boots up? If it does, then I guess I received a broken laptop. I can put it to the HP service center in Indonesia to get it fixed but it will take a bit of a time for it to order the part from the States, which means that I will be laptop-less for a month.

Thanks in advance.

 

Before you send it in - try different RAM SoDIMM's and especially try cleaning the connectors with something like Deoxit contact cleaner.

Easy to see if dust/paper/plastic in the slot is the problem instead of letting the system taken apart for (maybe) no good reason.


Good luck.

 

Do you have 32bit Windows installed?

 

I exchanged the sodimm to different slot. No go, the laptop still doesn't boot up with only the bottom slot filled. I actually borrowed a friend's 8 GB SODIMM once to check, still only the bottom slot that is problematic. If I put any memory in the top slot, then it boots up fine. So I guess it's the memory slot, not the sodimm itself.

I am trying to find a way to clean the bottom memory slot. Is a toothbrush ok?

Nope, it's Win 7 Pro 64 bit, straight from HP. I even tried reformatting and reinstalling Windows, still only 3.45 GB usable even though 8 GB is detected.

 

I actually tried both slots with my 2133MHz RAM and can tell you that it boots up fine with a single stick. I have that exact same config as you have. I can provide CPU-z screenshots if you wish, heck even a video if it helps convince them your system is borked.

 

I just tried booting my 6475b (Windows 7 and 8 x64) with:
1. Only the bottom slot filled, boots fine, BIOS and Windows see the 4 GB
2. Only the top slot filled, boots fine, BIOS and Windows see the 4 GB
3. Both slots filled, boots fine, BIOS and Windows see the the 2x4 GB

Something is definitely wrong with your unit. Tech support lied and the representative should've created a service order right away. HP's warranty should cover all the costs to replace the faulty motherboard. I'm not sure how it would affect you being out of the U.S.

Besides cleaning the slots with a toothbrush or compressed air, I would try a BIOS flash as my last effort (although it shouldn't be necessary).

Does anyone know if a faulty APU would have any affect on the motherboard SoDIMMs slots (considering the memory controller is on the chip)?

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Thanks for all the help guys. This confirms my suspicions.

I guess I need to call HP Indonesia's service center to ask where to get my laptop serviced and how long.

 

Your problem sounds like the APU is not fully seated, not necessary a motherboard problem. That is a common issue on desktop CPUs that have the memory controller in the CPU/APU. One of the pins on the APU is probably bent or just not fully seated.

 

Need some assistance. I am trying to get a HP Envy 6z with the a10 processor. The only place I see that has that model is Tigerdirect. I would prefer to not buy from them. Do you guys know of any other retailer online or b&m that sells the a10 model?

 

HP's site you can configure how you want it with A10.

 

if you wanted to swap a10 a6 you have choices in the usa... I can't speak for outside of usa. officemax, maybe officedepot, b&h, adorama.

dv6 w/A10 $549 HP Envy dv6 7245us Laptop Computer With 156 Screen Next Gen AMD A10 Accelerated Processor by Office Depot

 

still no 45W A10 ? ... I'll stop by next week

come on AMD, unleash the powa

 

Just allow us to easily overclock and over/undervolt the different P states like with Llano.

 

I think it's possible, it's just that no-one's developed 3rd party software like K10stat for trinity.