Upgrading my weak Trinity Laptop with the strongest AMD A10-5750M ES Richland APU

Does not seems ES to me, but yes go ahead with Overdrive and figure out what is exactly going on. That is the only way to be sure

 

Obviously not every ES must be the same but this is what I have got : clearly 'FX unlocked' and 'AMD Eng Sample Mobile 2585_A1' , I saw the same info on other's PRT SCs

 

yeah, so I disabled the turbo core control and I managed to modify the core multiplier and also the cpu voltage. So I guess I am pretty lucky..

 

Congrats!

 

Edited.

 

Liquid Cool, out of curiosity what level of CPU performance does your faster 455 deliver, compared to Intel?

 

I've edited my posts. I don't think this forum/website and I are a good fit. Any forum moderator can feel free to delete them at their convenience.

Thanks,

Liquid Cool

 

That's odd

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Could anyone else please answer the question (about overclocked AMD A10-5750M ES CPU performance in HP 455 or similar machines, in comparison with Intel)? And what is the smallest notebook (not necessarily thinnest, but with smaller screen) one could stick it in, without constant throttling of course? Is max GPU memory limited to 512MB, or can it use 1GB?

 

I have been stung with faulty AMD mobile CPU that don't operate correctly at their rated speed.

Will an A10-6750M work in older HP 2012 dv6 laptop that take e.g. A10-4600M or A6-4400?

Anyone know of a safe trader on eBay to buy the A10-5750M from?

 

It worth a try if you can return the processor in case if will not post up. Tried someone yet Kveri in Richland, Trinity laptop?

Those empty posts looks really good now, thanks! What happened?

 

There is no 6750M, in fact the only mobile 6000 APUs are Beema based, Kaveri is the 7000M series and while the FX-7600P is a decent upgrade over the A10-5750M (would have been even better if it cold hold turbo as well as the 5750M, but the higher base clock and ~11% better IPC still make it outperform Richland) it is BGA only so you can't upgrade it. At this point anything besides Carrizo doesn't make much sense, it is supposed to have much better iGPU than the 7600P (which is already on par with Iris Pro) thanks to Delta color compression just like in Tonga so it should be about 40% better. Also it's supposed to be 2X more efficient than Kaveri with double digit improvement in CPU performance if the slides were accurate.

 

Hi, i was searching this Amd A series cpu bottleneck problem, and i found this thread about 1 years ago. I read all things. this and other thread (a8 5550m) were very helpfull. Firstly thanks to all. Esp. Atom Ant.

I finally get a A10 4600m es. I know, it's not better cpu for overclocking than a8 5550m es or a10 5750m es. But it was cheap. Anyway, yesterday it reaches to me. I plugged my notebook, and it was looks ok. Btw, I was using a6 4400m.

But here is the problem, it's throttling at games with stock rates(dropping 800mhz!) and the second problem is i can't overclock, computer lags. Sorry for my english, but i will try to explain. If i set power settings all is max, min- max cpu usage max etc, it's working good, generally works 2700mhz, and there is no temp problem. Testing prime 95, and sometimes it's drops 2000-2300mhz, and i know it's normal. if i locked with bar edit, and testing prime 95, it's ok too. Cpu always works 2700mhz. And i just tested at windows 7 experience point thing, it will give 6.9. I know it's not best benchmark, but the point is everything is ok with this scenario.

Here is the bad thing, while i am playing games with full rate cpu clock, like 2700mhz, it's throttling to 800mhz, and it's like 800mhz for 10 second, 1 second 2700mhz, and temps is just like 60 °. If i set the cpu max usage %90, it will work at 2000mhz and in games, it's likes 10 second 2000mhz, and here i give one 800mhz, enjoy the fps drop buddy. And temps is still like 60-65 °. Of course, then i locked the cpu rates with bar-edit. Thought this time, i will win, but no luck. With locked cpu rates, games will give just 3-5 fps. I overclocked the cpu, 2,8, 3,0, 3,2. Just try, but the touchpad lags, i can't figure out what's going on. Some guys says, it's freeze with uefi bios, but i'm not using uefi, %90 sure. Anyway, i can't play games, and i can't figure out. Maybe you guys have a idea?

The problem looks igpu and cpu can't work together at full load or maybe i reaches max tdp, i don't know anything about that. BTW, I am using dedicated card (7670m) in games, crossfire disabled, game profile is high performance.

Here is the photos. HWinfo says uefi bios, but i can use pscheck(win7), and bios shows leagacy, not uefi.





edit: Now i tried with extra cooling (putting laptop in fridge lol) and the answer is not temp, i am sure. I locked cpu 2700mhz, tried with only battery and it's works for a 10 seconds, then lags again. I think i can't get enough power :S i've got 90watt laptop adapter. 27000mhz cpu and 7670m, just using one usb= more than 90watt? I don't know. How can i get more power? Disabling laptop screen and using monitor can solve this? Or anything, like disabling lan, ethernet adapter etc. Or am i suppose to increase the cpu tdp? How can i see notebook usage watt? There is alot of question, i know, sorry for that.

edit2: i tried with disabling notebook screen and extra monitor, no luck. With plugged ac adapter i get 3-5 fps in every game(2700mhz) if i use only battery everything is ok, for example, 30+ fps for gta V, but just for a 10 seconds. Then it's freeze. Am i suppose to increase the cpu tdp? I don't know that, but i will search, i hope i will solve this problem.

edit3: i figure out the overclock thing. No more lagging, freezing. But the problem is still drop the cpu clock 800mhz, if i lock clock rates, it's freezes again in games. I didn't understand.

 

Bump for help. After upgrade, has anyone notice, cpu clocks drop to 800mhz randomly in games?

This is just happening to me while playing games. Other than there is no problem at surfing net or heavy load cpu programs. Like prime95. There is no temp problem. I think my cpu and gpu can't work full load at the same time. I tried with only plugged in and only with battery. With battery works better. It's like;

Surfing net or prime 95 etc: Working 2700mhz all the time, sometimes drop 2000-2300mhz with prime95. (looks normal)

While playing game with battery: Working 2700 sometimes, then drop 2000-1800 etc.

Playing game with plugged in: Working 2700 but drops a lot of 800. Depending for game.

Windows or ccc all cpu power settings are maximum. I suspicious, laptop adapter or battery doesn't have enough power. I don't know watt, amper or volt.

If i lock the cpu clocks: Games shutter, give 2-3 fps wih plugged in. With battery works perfect but just for 5-10 seconds. Then computer freeze. I will reinstall the windows. Maybe this solves the problem.

 

Sounds like power throttling.. is your PSU good enough to provide the required power? Otherwise, if it's throttling under both CPU+GPU load, it's probably due TDP limits on CPU.. It's an ES so there should be some way for the power limit to be unlocked...

 

Thanks for helping. Yes, as you said, the problem looks TDP limiting or not enough PSU. But which one? I turned off APM for TDP limiting. Is that enough for turning off TDP limiting? Now i overclocked the 3ghz, and it's working for cpu benchmarks. So it's working without any problem. But i can't play anygame. Cpu+gpu still throttling.


Here is my cpu power management features:




I have 90 watt psu. And i am using 7670m(tdp 20watt) Sounds like it should be enough? What is the option for psu upgrade. My 90 watt is 19 volt 4.74A. Can i use 19v and better A, so more watt?

 

Make sure games are running only on the 7670m and not on the integrated one or on both with crossfire. These AMD processors start to throttling soon as the Integrated graphics working on something, because for both CPU and GPU the 35W TDP limit is not enough. Also use the Amd overdrive utility and try to lock cpu frequency as i did in my review.

 

Hi Atom, (after hp and amd, your intel cpu and nvidia card look good, happy for you thanks for the idea ) and the others, who have amd a10-a8 cpus or upgrade this cpus and have a performance problem.

I tried everything and finally i found the solution(99%). It's looks like notebook charger problem. It's a original one, and it says 90watt, but i'm not sure it's working well after 3 years or 90 watt it's not enough with dedicated card. Or just any integrated graphic card with this A10 cpus.

After 1 week searching, i read all the things about A10 cpus and other stuffs about my problem. I tried to use pscheck, amdmsrtweaker and bar-edit. A lot of program doesn't work for me well, anyway finally i overclocked without any problem. I disabled Tdp limiting with amdmsrtweaker.

So i overclocked just 2500mhz (i can overclock more, but it's a another story) and open the game (gta v)(and other games same too) with just 7670m, it gives 15-20fps. Crossfire also gives low fps. The cpu looks work 2500mhz, but it isn't. It's throttling at background (power throttling) and we just don't know. Then i turned off crossfire, ulps active, and ccc game(gtaV.exe) setting is power saving mode. So i open the game again just using 7660g, and boom, gives 40fps. And the reason i think i saved 20 watt not using 7670m.

The funny thing, if i set the screen brightness the lowest one, it gives to me 5-10 fps more But the game is still not playable. Because the 7660g has just 512mb vram, and not a good card. And with this notebook charger, if i set more than 2500mhz, it's still gives the same fps or lower. Playing with good resulotion is impossible.

I think it's look strange. I looked another laptop brand forums, there is alot of throttling problems with this amd cpus. Like lenovo amd a8-a10 laptops. And some this laptop's coming with 65watt charger. I am not talking about overheat throttling.

I don't think i am genius, if anyone say, "you are right or you will be right", i will be happy.

Anyway, I will test another chargers and more powerfull chargers within next few days. I hope i will solve all my problem and i can play just with 3ghz and 7670m. I know it's low-end but it will be enough for me.

 

And i think this is the reason why amd mobile dual graphics doesn't work very well at some games and give lower fps. And this is why when we search our notebook specifications on youtube, some guys play same game with high settings, some guys can't play even low settings. (The russian guys always play ultra, because they are russian ).

Anyway, with crossfire enabled, while full load cpu+gpu, if the game is cpu based, the tdp limit or adapter power limit throttling. Dual graphics work well at gpu benchmarks (because they don't load the cpu) and if you lock or overclock the cpu, works well at physic benchmarks or cpu benchmarks (old trinity 4600m can easily reach 3500 passmark score without overclock), but in game or in combined benchmarks everything changes at full load cpu+gpu. It gives lower fps or happen fps drops, when throttling. But if we locked the cpu (because we are smart ) , it's shows xxxx mhz but it's not actually.

So, as i said, i disabled the TDP limit, and probably i reach the maximum watt usage for my notebook adapter (charger).

Here is the funny results: amd 4600m, locked at just 2500mhz. Cpu looks always work at 2500mhz, looks no throttling.

With only using 7660g, and screen brightness lowest (for saving more watt):



And when i set the highest screen brightness: (i dont know, maybe it uses more 5-10 watt)




with lowest screen brightness:



with full screen brightness:



With just using 7670m(so no more saving 20 watt)



And i didn't try with crossfire, actually i tried but i didn't get screenshot. Gives 2-5 fps. Sorry for my grammer mistakes. If who wants to understand amd dual graphics or amd a10 series cpus, i hope it will be help. Maybe this cpus looks old, and this looks be unusefull anymore, but amd kaveri series still looks same cpu, just with better integrated graphic cards. Anyway, it was a long post, if anyone read that, and feedback, thanks in advance

 

Have you tried locking your fps with dxtory to say 30fps or using the half vsync in gta v? I have the 7670m 8gb of ram and the 4500m. Somtimes struggle to get over 16fps then other times everything is up in the high 20's on lowest settings at 720p which is quite playable for a laptop tbh but i think it's because the cpu is bottle-necking my laptop big time but there must be some bugs that need to be sorted through game updates and amd driver updates to make it less flaky. What sort of fps are you getting when driving ect and if your getting better than 30fps average can you link me to where you brought your apu please as ill order one right now Don't know if i dare take the risk with the 5750m unless someone has similar specs but with the 5750m.

 

I ordered from aliexpress, a10 4600m es was 21$ and there was a a8 5550m es for 20$. I was using a6 4400m(trinity), and i didn't take a risk and ordered 4600m es. Because both are trinity, 5550m and 5750m is richland and sometimes there will be a problem, they can force to you, just using to windows UEFİ mod.

But i can't recommend to you for now, because i can't still play the game. Dropping fps to 16~, it's not a driver problem, it's cpu problem of course. Yes, there is still problem with amd drivers but this is not one of them, because a lot of people can play without the problem. I explained why i can't play, i can only get good fps with just using 7660g, and it's a 512m vram and very veak card. if i use 7670m i can only get 10~ fps, i think my notebook adapter(charger) is the problem. It's look like i can't get enough power from ac adapter.

Anyway, 5750m es and 5750m are still expensive but you can take a risk and try this cheap ones, maybe it will work for you. I will try next to few days with another chargers(ac adapter). And i will write again about my problem, i hope i can solve this problem.

 

Less headache with intel nvidia combo, no throttling issues, better drivers, also power efficiency is much better at this time. I actually ended up with AMD because GTA 5 was not willing to start on radeon 8870m, just on the integrated GPU, official fix neither from Amd nor from Rockstar.

 

can I ask here if anybody knows, the next carrizo can be used on the same socket as 5750m ?
i ask for even more power because the 5750m is way slower then intel processors...

 

There's new 15.5 beta drivers out. Which seem to give me a big boost even using the 512 of vram. Seems like the cpu part of the apu is holding me back because if i go into task manager and set affinity for gta v and uncheck one core it renders all textures perfectly and still give me 22fps pretty solid with no frame drops at all resolutions. I was having to do this before to stop all the textures popping but was only getting 16fps so a huge improvement hopefully my 5550m will boost that to something more solid as i can get well above 30fps on all 4 cores but get too much texture popping to make it enjoyable. Hope this helps. Maybe now rockstar will sort out the texture popping issues too as my 5550m should be on par with your 2.5ghz 4600m at stock speeds.Well that's my hope anyways

 

I honestly doubt they will work even if they are the same socket. I would Buy a new laptop with a Intel cpu if you need more speed as it will be cheaper in the long run than upgrading to a high end Carrizo apu that wont match the performance of Intels offerings even if they work with the same socket with no issues.

 

Actually, Carrizo has a much higher chance matching Intel offerings in the CPU area due to some marginal IPC increases (about 5%) and overall 40% of energy efficiency increase... but Carrizo will definitely overtake Intel when it comes to the IGP... since Carrizo is due to use Tonga architecture if I'm not mistaken (as well as colour compression, etc.).
Plus, there's also DX12 to take into consideration (for which AMD APU's have been prepared) and HSA.

I have no idea whether Carrizo will be compatible with current sockets though... it is possible seeing how AMD has a tendency to retain compatibility through different revisions, but we won't know for sure until they release Carrizo.

 

I doubt it will be the same socket... Probably going to be a new one..

 

Soldered as well.

 

Carrizo has 4-15% more IPC compared to Kaveri according to new AMD slides.

Fore those who still haven't seen the slides http://wccftech.com/amds-6th-genera...-3rd-gen-gcn-cores-directx-12-hsa-10-support/

 

I've read all the hype but until they prove it in real world tests I can't see them overtaking Intel. I would love to be wrong but don't see it happening as Intel will come right back at them with some next level package. Competition is the best thing for us though as we benefit whichever way you look at it

 

Any advice on upgrading the hp envy m6 from the 4500m to the 5550m or anything i need to know or do before i start taking my laptop apart like any bio's issues with legacy bio's ect. any help would be great thanks

 

There shouldn't really be any issues but before you upgrade make sure to have the latest BIOS version installed (or the last one that supported Richland chips but I don't think they would just drop support later on) and also you can uninstall graphics drivers before changing the APU and then install new drivers (even if it's the same driver version) after you boot into Windows with the new chip but this might not be as important because I didn't bother uninstalling drivers and only reinstalled drivers after changing from 4600m to 5750M, I am saying this just in case because one of the catalyst drivers for me last year didn't want to update and work properly until I used the Catalyst removal tool. Also unless you are getting the ES version try going with 5750M. In my ASUS N56DP even going from 4600m to 5750M I have noticed 20-40% improvement, especially in single threaded games like World of Tanks FPS went from ~20-21 FPS to 28FPS at medium settings 1080P (and battle recording on).

 

Cheers mate I'll uninstall the graphics drivers before i start then to save any issues down the line. I decided to go with the 5550m one because a £20 upgrade is easier on the wallet than a £70 one (cba with buying hardware from oversea's as if there's any issue's it takes forever to sort out) and because my max screen res is 1366-768 and most of the games i play run solid when i use dxtory to limit the fps to 31. Haven't really ran into any games that wont play on med/high settings with my oc'ed 7670m and 4500m. Just gta v and project cars that can't quite hit a solid 30fps but i blame that on amd for giving up on windows 8.1 to work on windows 10 drivers. Hopefully that will pay off come the end of july when 10 is out though I would recommend dxtory to anyone though as it records like fraps but doesn't affect your frame rate at all as well as saving cycles on your gpu to use them where they are needed to give you a smooth solid frame rate. Hopefully the 5550m will give me a little boost too.

 

Oh that sucks, I got mine for $75 and there were even cheaper used ones (I doubt they were even used, just pulled off of laptops) for $60. EU pricing can be ridiculous.

 

I tried everything and can't solve the problem (4600m es). With 7670m, cpu dropping 900mhz while playing games. With 7660g there is no problem. Tried with another chargers, still same. There is no problem with battery, cpu dropping just 2000mhz, sometimes 1600mhz if i load 7670m, and it's normal for battery but i can't figure out the charger thing. Maybe the problem is motherboard, can't support 4600m es or vrm throttling etc. The notebook is samsung np355v5c and some this notebooks coming with 4600m, it looks strange.

Should i uninstall chipset drivers, i don't know what can i try. Btw, what is that driver, i didn't know this ones http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/embedded?os=Windows 7 - 64

 

The drivers you linked aren't for our apu's mate so they wont work. try these links hopefully we can sort it for you Any question's or concerns then feel free to ask. We will get this working for you.

I would use this the latest version of Display Driver Uninstaller. It reboots and runs in safe mode
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

Then use glary utilities 1 click maintance to remove any rubbish reg keys ect
http://www.glarysoft.com/glary-utilities/

Then install the latest APU Beta Drivers or the omega one it's upto you really
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Windows 7 - 64

Give these a try and it should do the trick. If not then report back and theres a few other tricks I know that might work before you give in and have to do a fresh install of windows. Maybe worth upgrading to windows 8.1 too as that will give you a fps boost.

 

Thanks for help. But it didn't work. If i set maximize battery life in ccc, then 7670m works like 400mhz cpu and 400mhz ram speed, and works better, but can't work full speed with 4600m. Other than as i said, 7660g works normal. I think the problem is samsung motherboard or bios. If i disable c6 state maybe it will work. But there is no option for that. I will try with win8, but i don't have any hope. It looks like my motherboard doesn't give the enough power. Maybe vrm thing etc, i don't understand why.

Btw, if you are planning order from aliexpress, try to find with hong kong post. I just paid extra 2$ for hong kong post but they are so much faster than chinese air post or singapore post.

 

Have you got the battery mode set to high performance out of interest? Not through ccc but the actual battery icon in the task bar. That's all I could think it could be. I've already got my 5550m now mate but thanks I will keep that in mind for futre. Just waiting on gc thermal paste to show up so I can test her out

 

Windows power settings in high performance, of course. I don't know what is wrong. As i said, i will try with win8 and for the last hope, i will go some notebook services, maybe they can solve. Anyway, i hope your cpu works well I am waiting your test results.

 

A very interesting read! Thanks everyone for all the advice!

Unfortunately, I found this too late, or I might have been more hesitant, but here's my issue: I have an asus k55n-ds81, with an ssd and 8gb 1333 mhz ram dual channel that I attempted to upgrade with an a10-5750m, but I got the "black screen" issue.

I already tried looking for the UEFI settings, but it seems Asus bios settings don't have that. I've also tried the 210 and 217 versions of bios to no avail. The computer powers on and makes all the right noises, fan runs, cd drive does its self check, all the lights go on, but no screen. I'm not sold on the thermal paste making the difference, but if anyone can say that was their issue, then I'll change types. Currently I'm using Arctic 5.

Also have 8gb 1866 ram on the way just in case. Am I beating my head against the wall? Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

 

I searched asus k55n and looks like its coming with uefi. Ok, maybe there is no bios settings but did you check, maybe your windows is already booting with Uefi? And there was a technician guy in this thread, and said sometimes notebooks didn't boot with silver thermal pastes, but i am not experienced. Maybe your cpu is faulty, cpu works but igpu doesn't work.

 

I'll check on the Uefi, the tech in this thread is where I first heard about that. Never heard that before, anywhere. It could be a bad igpu I guess, supposedly pulled from a working laptop, but I'm just holding my breath that it isn't. Would there be any other way to check that?

 

I did it. No more problems anymore, so much happy I tried everything and finally happy ending. I think the problem was faulty cpu. I made a special fan today but it was dropping 900mhz while playing any games, even at 48~ degree.

Firstly i disabled apm (tdp limit) and turbo core, but this was not enough. Now I disabled htc (hardware thermal control), with turionpowercontrol and now it works with 7670m. Thank you amd, i learned ms-dos for you, now i can use any program!, pscheck, amd msr tweaker, turionpowercontrol, bar-edit, amd overdrive, i just wanted play some games, now i feel like a coder. Anyway, i hope my notebook will survive, i don't want to see problem anymore.

I know you know that but try to send back your cpu. Or maybe you damaged your screen cable, you can try with external monitor(if this sounds silly sorry) or something in motherboard. Did you try with old cpu, it is still working without problem?

 

Yeah, Unfortunately I've had the A10 in it two separate times now, so I could try it with both bios versions. Had the a8 in there before and after, and it works fine. Even tried talking to asus about it, but they seem to have a very hands off approach, saying they do not condone modification, and that the a8 that comes with it is all it can use.

I fail to believe this, but I guess you're right, I'll look into at least shipping this one back if I can.

 

Any opinions on if I should try again with a 5750m, or if I should step down to the last trinity a10?

 

I don't know mate. Sorry for my english, i didn't understand exactly. Did you tried two 5750m or one 5750m, just different bios? If you tried 2 different 5750m, you know, you should look 4600m, as you said, the problem is maybe richland. And don't worry there is not too much difference. 5750m igpu looks better i know but still 512mb vram and other than cpus are same, esp. if you buy 4600m es.

 

Sorry, I could be clearer too. I tried two different bios versions on the same 5750m, maybe I'll just play it safe and try an a10-4600m next

 

Just found a thread where someone successfully upgraded a k55n with a 5750m, so I guess I'll keep trying.

 

It's a hard decision, i see you mate. I was using a6 4400m(trinity) and didn't take risk and tried 4600m. It takes 15 days to works well. But i am using dedicated card. Looks like you are using igpu, maybe you can try another 5750m, and then 4600m will be last chance. I don't know. if you will only lost a time, try with another 5750m. But if you will lost some money, go with 4600m. Sorry i can't explain but i think you understand me.

Edit: Then go mate It looks like faulty cpu.

 

Stop what your doing put the apu back in if it's out and remove your battery and then power it on without no power so it clears all the power out of the board then remove the bio battery for about 5 mins plug the battery back in and it should boot up mine did it yesterday while installing the 5550m I don't know why or that's even correct but keep trying different things with removing the bios battery and it should trip the screen back to life. Sorry I can't be more helpful but just give it a shot I thought my chip was dead but kept at it and it payed off after about 30 mins plus male sure all the screws are back in that make connection between the case and the board. Hope this helps in some way