8560w GPU upgrade - use empty DVD slot to fit MXM 3.0b (higher spec) video cards

what i know is that another oem heatshield and fan would not fit

 

BUT ALAS!!! look at that cheap EliteBook 2760p heatsink! it fits perfect!!

look

 

How is the clearance in there? If we plan for MXM-B, I don't think that there's much to be done. In any case, you'll be better off building one yourself, but it is up to you. Here's what I mean:



The reason I think that it wont work for MXM-B is that I don't know how much clearance there is, especially at the bottom where the two pipes are passing. As you probably know, there are inductors on the MXM-B module, which are pretty tall. You can see that the pipes are overlapping to save space in order to fit larger fan. This way a ZBook 17 fan would fit no issues. The radiator could be from a blade server CPU radiator. The pipes are a bit difficult to source, but not impossible. You have to measure the exact length and find the closest match, since they come at predefined sizes (200, 250, 300mm and etc). Since it's not that angled, I think that you can get away with flat pipes (there are round ones as well, easier to bend, but you have to flatten them afterwards (a must for the second version)). Use Arctic Silver Premium Adhesive, or do like me - wait and hope that MesoGlue is not faux and would be available early next year. Good luck!

BTW The MXM-B module would overlap with one of the keyboard screws.

 

i dont intent to use all the keyboard or frame screws! the whole aluminium frame is so stable that 1-2-3 screws can be left off .
so i already ordered the EliteBook 2760p heatsink , its cheap and its a great start,
dont forget that at the moment i want to solve the current MXM A 965 cards heat issues. the laptop heats at the limit currently. so i think this small EliteBook 2760p heatsink will solve my current issue. and then i can see what i can do with an xmx B card

 

What is the right Vbios to flash for k2100m, 8570p, fhd display?

 

update







So, i cut the heatsink so as not to disturb any plastic or screw hole in the laptop chassis.
i didnt have to modify anything on the laptop. all screws can screw , all plastics are there. so its an easy undoable modification. I used liquid metal epoxy to stick them together. its curing now.

as you can see the heatsink is not big , but for the begining i didnt want a big one. i just wanted to add some way for some extra heat to escape. this heatsink and fan i think are for like 50 TDW , so if my own heatsink is for another 100|TDW now i have a total of 150 TDW which i think is enough for the small gtx 965m
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Now i have to find how to cut the cabling of the fan and connect to my own fan. Does anyone know the cabling color for 5V? i have to be carefull or i will fry the only fan output my mobo has...

 

well , total success . i found the cabling. both fans work.
now i solved my CPU overtemp and throttling problems.

up to now i had to turn I7s turboboost off because the cpu when benching or gaming would reach 105C and it would throttle. also the GPU would reach 89C
(although it didnt throttle)

Now i managed to keep the CPU at 94C max and the GPU at 82C while benching and even less when gaming.
It solved my problem BUT i think i can do even better, After checking the new heatsink i found out that it wasnt taking the heat off the old system. meaning my new heatsink wasnt boiling up as the old one but it was just warm to the touch. SO i found out that the liquid metal compound i used doesnt transfer heat well enough. so i have to find a way to remove it and make a normal metal weld . or find some thermal paste that is also a glue or something... (anyone knows one? )

i am confident that if i manage to trasfer the heat well i will be able to drop my temps by 15-20C more! curently the new heatsink is cool to the touch even when gaming while the old one is burning underneath the new.

 

Nice work! It seems that you can change the fan with the same as your internal one. Also it would've been better if you put the additional pipe next to the main one, since this would be directly above the core.

What do you mean by that? You say that it doesn't transfer heat well.

 

well... i kinda of made a mistake
i used a 2 material epoxy glue thats says its liquid metal etc etc and bonds metals etc. it was cheap (5euros) and it says you can glue metal pipes, coocking pots , metal handles etc.
its this one actualy
http://www.pattex.co.za/en/products/pattex-epoxies/epoxy-metal-tube-5min-and-60min.html

after i used it i read the instructions and they say thats its very resistant to heat :-( so actually its thermal resistant instead of thermal conductive... damn. thats why although the new heatsink is qlued on the old heatsink very well with alot of this stuff so there should be heat transfer if it was for example real metal paste or thermal trasnfer compound , there is not good transfer.

i try with my hand to touch the original heatsink just 0.5cm underneath the new one and i cant touch it with my hand because its too hot. and the new compound that sits ontop of the old heatsink is just warm. although its like a hardened paste. it has become one with the old heatsink. nevertheless you can understand that its not geting the heat from the old heatsink. its just warm , it should be crazy hot.

now i have to find a way to remove it. or i have to get 2 used heatsinks

 

SUCCESS!!! I managed to remove that hellish stuff, it was hardened but as the box says it hardens 100% in 24 hours. so i managed to remove it since only 2hours had passed. it was pain in the but , but i managed.
then i tried testing new ways to mount the new heatsink. so i did what triturbo sugested. i put the one heatpipe on the other. since i had no way to weld them together i used Arctic silver between them and the only thing that keeps them together is the plastic of the laptop itself as its was an exact fit. so the new heatsing is stuck in there. ofcourse i will order this
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_thermal_adhesive.htm
to bond it for safety but nevertheless the results are GREAT!!!

over load (benching) the CPU is now at 78C max and the gpu at 62C max!!!! I nailed it!! remember this was a laptop that without the mod it was hiting 105 on the CPU and 89C on the GPU!!! Now its just super cool!!!!

 

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11243576




how about that?? full OC for the 965m. stable as rock

 

Congrats! Now if you add another pipe and upgrade the fan, this thing would fly! Still think that you'll have to go custom to properly cool MXM-B.

 

Its a little monster!!
i took it with a Firestrike of 1050 points and now its almost 6000!!! these are nice mods guys!! Just think that i got this laptop for free from a customer . and with 300Euros (965m ) now its flying!!

With these results now i am starting to think about possible MXM 3.0b cards... so we have 970m and 980m
i am sure i can handle their heat. i can add another heatpipe and/or weld extra heatsinks to the new small heatsink i installed.

the question is , will they work ? mxm socket physically is the same between 3A and 3B . will the drivers install? i supose i have to make the drivers inf thing again. but if it worked in 965m i see no reason not to work in 970m and 980m

what about the socket power that comes through MXM slot? is it the same in a and b?

 

Pretty nice step-up indeed

The slot is the same, but I don't know if the power lane is the same. By standard it should be designed to supply 10A peak, but I've seen 7A implementations as well. Should work, but quite likely there wont be much room for overclocking. The later requires even more cooling, so...

 

Well, what i just found out is that a 970m hits 6300-6600 in firestrike. so my 965 oced got to 6000. and its a 50 w TDP. so i see no reason to try a full mxm 3b 970m , its so close in performance to the 965m whith high overclock.
Also with its 81 w TDP as you said i dont know if there would be any room for overclocking.

So the only actual upgrade road is the 980m . even if i just manage to run it at stock . but i have to check if it can get enough power from the mxm slot . and also if i will be able to handle its 100w TDP. i dont think the current cooling system will sufice.

 

Ok i just had another crazy idea...
What if i stay with the 965m and just upgrade the cpu to a 3940xm !!

I think the new cooling system cwn handle the xtreme cpu.
ofcourse i probably wont be able to oc it because hp bios wont allow it but at least i will have a 3gz i7 that hits 3.9 in turbo boost. this alone will up my fps in all games. i might catch 970m firestrike score of 6300

 

The 980m IS NOT a 100W GPU. If Alienware M15x is any indication, the 970m would be the better buy. Not only it runs cooler, but can be overclocked, where the 980m has to be undervolted. In the end they are not that far apart. I think that CPU upgrade and 970m would be the better buy. Yes, you are close to stock 970m, but stock is the key word here, it is known that they overclock VERY well. Then there's the M4000M (binned 970m), which is the best buy, since it's even better than 970m in terms of overclocking and temps.

 

What about the cpu? Do you have any idea if a 3940xm will be recognised by the bios?

PS. according to this it supports it normally
http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c03654088

 

I see no reason to not work. You really need to beef-up your cooling. Changing the fan should bring the temps a few degrees lower.

 

Yes its a 55w cpu instead of my 45w . but i think with a better fan and some extra metal welded on the new small heatsink it will cope.

 

How are you liking this upgrade so far? I own the same notebook and if i can pindown a 965 I may try this. Did you use the flashlight method to install the drivers ? and did you modify the inf before the swap to make it easier?

 

Sadly all your picture links are broken and I am interested in your mod since I have been thinking about doing the same to my Zbook 15 g1

Edit: The bold was inaccurate the pictures weren't loading on my internet connection at the time

 

I thought I was the only one to have this idea but Jobriener did this mod back in 2014, why aren't more people doing this type of thing with these MXM-A 15.4" HP laptops?

Given that the fan is controlled by system bios which isn't guaranteed to recognize aftermarket GPUs I wonder how one deals with GPU temps, 3rd party fan control apps? I can get an RX480 MXM from china for less than 300 but I can't guarantee that i can get it to work with my G1 Zbook 15

That link is excellent Thanks for sharing!
I decided to register so that I could see larger versions of the pics and while a messy mod I have to give our Chinese brother dell100101 from the 51b forum props for doing it with a high TDP relatively recent GPU and uploading photos

 

I'm not sure if you still pay attention to this post/forum but how did you end up hooking up the 2nd fan? did you have both fans hooked up to the same jfan connector?

 

I admire what AlienHack has done with his Elitebook, but not everybody wants an overclocked gaming card. What if I just want to replace the now very very old k2000m I've got with a more recent one with similar power consumption e.g. GTX 1050 ( http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1050-Notebook.178614.0.html). According to specs it is even more power efficient than the k2000m (55W vs 50W) This way I won't have to worry about overheating and would have an up-to-date experience when using my elitbook.

 

the gtx965 is Maxwell and that would be a step up from your k2000m at similar power consumption.

Unlike the 9 Series aka Maxwell the Geforce 10 series AKA Pascal does not support LVDS(Analog) so your laptop would at minimum have to have an eDP(Digital) screen. The Hp Performance Adviser should be able to tell you if you have a digital screen or not(but I won't accept any responsibility if it gives you the wrong impression).

 

you are right, didn't knew about such limitation. In such case gtx 960m or less would be my liking, as 965m is way too hot without tampering your laptop with additional cooling .. too bad ... it means that the era of older chassis elitebooks (like 8560w), which I like very much is coming to an end unless of course you're absolute enthusiast like AlienHack, which I am not ..

 

It's been a learning experience for all of us

 

Or could just undervolt the 965m

 

Hello!

First post here.

I have a 8570w with i7 3840qm and k2000m.

I have been looking for a new gpu for a long time now, but there isnt much to choose from on ebay.

However, some days ago this m1200 popped up. http://www.ebay.com/itm/302257309666

I asked the seller if he knows if my computer will boot with that card. He said it wont, because the gpu needs a 7th gen CPU to support it. But that is bulls*it right?

Im looking to upgrade to this because the cooling system and case wont need any modding as this card is only 45w.

What do you guys think of this card?

 

The card looks to be around the K3100 / 860m performance which will play modern games on medium settings.

Claim that you need a 7th gen is rubbish but you will not be able to use this card with your laptop screen, just external monitors as was mentioned above.
Of course there might be other factors that will make a card not work in your laptop as well.

 

Thank you for the reply. Is there any card that will work with the laptop screen? The laptop screen is really important because at work or meetings i use the laptop with the internal screen.

 

Your Intel GPU should still work with your internal screen.

But a general warning; nobody tested that gpu in this laptop, you are the first one so you need to be prepared that things might not work and that it could be a waste of money.
Btw also make sure the gpu layout matches your heatsink.

Personally I would go for the zbook 15, that is my opinion but I generally find upgrading the entire laptop more cost effcient once you pass 3 years

 

Ok thanks!

Upgrading is kind of OK. But the 3840qm quad core gets same benchmark score as 6700hq or 7700hq so i wont get more processing power, only the GPU upgrade..
Maybe i'll go with the external GPU for home use, and use the k2000m when not home..

 

looks like it is or nearly is the lowest end maxwell you could get, it uses gm107 a 1st gen maxwell chip that powered the same chip used in the 750ti and even lower end garbage Some site possibly Wikipedia had the following "First generation Maxwell GPUs (GM107/GM108) were released as GeForce GTX 745, GTX 750/750 Ti, GTX 850M/860M (GM107)"

Unless the card has to be a Quadro I strongly recommend getting the Geforce gtx 965m(GM204 or GM206) which is 2nd gen Maxwell, generally cheaper and even the 2GB/GM204 version beats the 750ti which is to my knowledge the most powerful card to use a GM107 chip

 

Ok, will the laptop screen work with gtx965m? Sorry for all the questions

Edit: GTX 965m is 3.0b right? I found one here: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...axwell-Graphics-Card/1522480_32366336389.html

Edit2: Ok found a 965m with mxm3.0a and 4gb memory. just ordered this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-965M-Video-Graphics-GPU-card-N16E-GR-A1-4Gb-GDDR5-W-Past-/122031340828

 

The only thing you will need to worry about with the MXM card isfinding an flashing an LVDS vBios not eDP

Questions aren't a problem my friend, that's how we learn


Edit:
According to SoundOfLenses
This is the correct vBios for LVDS HPs https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/184954/184954

 

Just fyi, I'm doing almost the same thing for my 8740w (check the thread). I'm using an entirely separate heatsink/fan for the CPU though - the one from the lenovo w701ds. Check this post, one of the pics shows how it fits within the chassis, plenty of space left... Z-height was the only problem. Might be an option if you go the full-length MXM-B route

 

I made this quick list a week ago and the 970m should score around 7500 before OC so it should be a nice bump with OC from the OCed 965m
Official Firestrike Average GFX Score Comparison
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (Notebook) 15560
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 14000
AMD Radeon RX 480 13290
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060-6GB 12910
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 11900
AMD Radeon RX 470 11830
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 (Notebook) 11170
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 (Notebook) 10920
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M 9400
AMD Radeon HD 7850 @1050 Mhz 8402
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 7740
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970M 7540
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 965M 5650
AMD Radeon HD 7850 5210
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1610
NVIDIA Quadro K1100M 1370

 

Hi!

I now got the card, installed it. And the screen is black.
PC works but i cannot see anything in the screen.

I tried to flash vbios from the link above, it worked but screen is still dark.
What should i do? The displayport doesnt work either so i cannot see anything really on the computer, havent tried VGA because i have no VGA cable.

 

Does it work with optimus disabled, meaning nvidia only

 

Got it working now, i needed to install geforce drivers, had to do driver modding but there was good instructions on the web.

Btw. This thing is a beast now! I get crazy benchmark scores.
Thanks to all for help

 

After you said you bought one I did as well since they dropped in price compared to the last time I checked.
I got the normal 965m though.
Will do some benches once I get it (2 weeks or so) and compare it against my 860m

 

i'm glad it worked out for you

 

How did you install the driver if you have no screen? Same question for flashing vbios?

And just to be clear, people who have the IPS DreamColor version have a screen that supports eDP, so theoretically they can buy and install maxwell or newer cards in the 8560w? Is that correct?

 

I was wondering the same and just assumed an external vga monitor was used for both

The way I understand it all dreamcolors from Zbook g1 and earlier are all LVDS and in the case of Z books connects to an adapter that connects to eDP of the notebook

 

Soon after I bought the 965m for £235($290) I managed to buy a 970m for £175($215)
Both still have to arrive and once they do I will do some benchmarks and post them in the Zbook 17 thread.

I plan to get capture Framerate, Wattage and Temps

 

that is quite the deal on the 970m!

 

Indeed!! Benchmarks posted.
Hoping to add the 965m once it arrives from China

 

How does that relate to this topic which is about the 8560w?