8770w Elitebook?

4000M = 8760w quadro card
M4000 = 8770w and 8570w Firepro card
K4000M = 8770w quadro card

Yeah, that is confusing.

 

Anyone found specs on the FirePro m4000 card?

 

No, but if I was getting that card, I'd go for the 8570w instead.

 

So it should be better than the K1000 and K2000?

 

It's also 100 Watts.

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Depends on what you are doing with it. CS6 dropped CUDA for OpenCL. So CS6 users who would have been better off with a Quadro card now get to pay less for a much stronger Firepro card. It is also stronger at gaming and basically anything not CUDA related (at least that was the case with the 1000M and 2000M versus the M5950...last generations choices in the 15" segment). But if your program uses CUDA, you are certainly better off with a Quadro card.

 

Yeah, I play mostly starcraft 2, thinking about diablo 3. Also a little CS6 use.

What I'm really wondering is how much better the m4000 is than the 5950, and whether it's worth the wait.

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I play D3 with my 8560w with a Quadro 2000.
1920x1080, all details except shadows medium
doesn´t really make an optical difference ingame, but loads of fps more...
according to FRAPS I´m between 40-50fps even in Act III Nightmare, which is quite ok

 

Looks like a couple of preconfigured models have become available.
The descriptions are incomplete, but if you add one to the cart, you'll get the full specs.

HP EliteBook 8770w Mobile Workstation overview - HP Small & Medium Business products

I'd imagine it's best not to order one until the complete specs are up, in case the pricing changes.

P.S.: I think I've found out what the FirePro M4000 is.

From a google result on "driveridentifier" (I won't bother linking):
AMD FirePro M4000: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_682D&SUBSYS_176B103C

From the HP Envy 15 32xx thread on this forum:
PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_682D="Radeon (TM) HD 7750M"

At least in my laptop, the Radeon and the FirePro differ only in the SUBSYS portion of the device ID.
For comparison, here's what GPU Caps Viewer shows on my laptop with generic mobile Catalyst drivers (though in this case, under Windows 8):
GL_RENDERER: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 (Engineering Sample - WDDM v1.1)
GL_VERSION: 3.3.11631 Compatibility Profile/Debug Context FireGL

 

I did hope it would be at least 7770M like firepro M5950 is based on 6770M.

 

Probably won't be 256-bit then?

 

Nope, it's 128 bit. According to this webpage there is also the firepro M6000 which is based on 7850M but no laptop uses it so far :

AMD FirePro M2000, M4000 and M6000 for mobile workstations | FireUser Blog

 

I almost have to wonder if HP and Dell complained to AMD that their cheaper GPUs were too powerful relative to the Nvidia offerings. Otherwise I don't see why AMD would use these cards.

Also, the pricing on those first 3 pre-config 8770w models is terrible. I'd much rather pick up a decked out Dell M6600 from their outlet...better screen, better GPU, and only a bit of compromise on the CPU. According to Notebookcheck, the 7850M (which is what the M6000 is supposedly based on) is weaker than the M8900. So even an upcoming Dell M6700 with FirePro will be weaker in graphics than a Dell M6600 with FirePro. This is just stupid.

 

The only GPU the 8770w customizer is showing right now is ATI FirePro M4000. None of the Quadros whatsoever!

Has anyone tried?

 

^^This could be the reason.^^

 

Thanks for that info.

I myself was waiting for those new Dell Precisions to be released soon. But after reading that post, it seems HP 8770w is the only serious option to consider for now.

 

That sounds convincing. It could be the reason why HP didn't offer M8900 on their 8760w. At least the Dell M6600 offered Optimus as some kind of benefit of going for Nvidia (and the IPS screen which became available with the AMD card only recently). Now, if M6700 supported AMD Enduro and some FirePro variant of the 7970M, I assume that most of the people would opt for the AMD card and I assume the profit margins on those are much lower.

A shame, really, as I expect the K5000M to cost an arm and the leg.. 7970M with Enduro would suit me just fine.. This way, I'll have to wait for the K5000M Outlet prices to go down..

 

Slightly off the original topic but does somebody here happen to have an experience with the HP DreamColor IPS screen that they install in their Elitebooks?

I most probably will be ordering one with the DreamColor screen but a lot of guys are complaining about the 'grainy' look of the screen due to the strong antiglare coating. The grain looks as if it was intentionally added as a wanted effect in post processing. This can be real bad for photo/color critical work.

This thread for example: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...ebook-8560w-dreamcolor-vs-non-dreamcolor.html

This notebook will be traveling to a foreign destination so I won't be having the advantage of getting a replacement in case something is bad.

Your thoughts/experiences with an HP DreamColor screen on their notebooks?

Thanks !

 

Considering all panels being at 80-90 cd/m2 under normal office lighting conditions and at typical viewing distances. I haven't found any of the non-DC2 Elitebook panels to be at all grainy.

I've found the 8560W DC2 panel was really grainy, the worst. I did get used it for a while as I had no choice but to use that notebook for a few months, but after viewing the 8740W and 8760W DC2 panels I ditched it.

The 8740W DC2 panel (LP171WU8-SLB1)I use is somewhat grainy but it's nowhere near as bad as the 8560W DC2.

The 8760W DC2 panel (LP173WF3 SLB2) is perfect.. no grain whatsever, anti-glare properties seem better than the 8740W panel. Barely saw any grain even at the maximum brightness of 300 cd/m2 on any colour. Just a shame about the 120 pixels!

I generally use dark high contrast themes so I don't notice it as much as other users might, but if you're working on pure whites/light-medium shades of grey and particularly light blues, you will notice it on the former two. I'm not sure if LG has created different revisions of these panels with different AG coatings, some better or worse than others.

I doubt the panels have changed between the 8*60 models and the 8*70 models.

Edit: *And I myself don't even do any hardcore photo or video editing on the monitor, so I can't imagine how annoying it would be for the intended target users of the DC2 panels.

 

Thanks for the detailed reply. What does it mean when you say DreamColor-'2' ? Is it a newer revision of the previous DC screen?

I am a landscape photographer and will be buying this notebook for accurate viewing, analysis and editing/processing of high-res photos. I have a dedicated NEC monitor for the purpose as well but I need a pretty solid solution that would be accompanying me in rugged terrains. So you can imagine how critical for the screen it is to be perfectly accurate in this scenario.

It's a shame that I cannot go and see the screen myself somewhere, not possible in my part of the world so it's an absolute must to get the thing right the very first time. Considering 87x0 is the brand new series, nobody would be able to give a first hand review of the screen for now. Plus it's not sure if HP recognized this issue and put new/improved panels in the new models or not, time will tell. New Dells will also not surface until late summers according to a Dell rep. Wondering!

Btw, how does Dell's IPS RGB LED (PremiumColor) compare to HP's DreamColor, anybody?

Please share your suggestions/experiences.

 

1st gen is 8*30w (8 bit RGB-LED TN), 40w, 60w and 70w have the 2nd gen (10-bit RGB-LED IPS).

Unfortunately I doubt HP cares too much about one forum thread with not too many posts. Although, I hope they've noticed, at least what I consider to be the huge discrepancy in AG-coating quality between the DC2 panels for different sized models of the last Elitebook gen.

Panel data looks identical to the last gen based on the HP Quickspecs of the 8770w, might wanna check for the 8570w if the Quickspecs are available online.

I've not used the Premiercolor panels (our tech guys have a loathing for anything with Dell on it ). I believe they are as good as or better than the Dreamcolor though (there is a very detailed review of it on the Dell forum on this website). I believe that exact Premiercolor panel is being sold on eBay for dirt cheap at the moment too (posted about it in the 8760w owner's lounge a short while back).

 

I guess the Premiercolor in the Dell is exactly the same panel as the one called Dreamcolor in the HP, so in the end it comes down to the quality of the firmware and of the supporting software included.

 

Thanks for your inputs.

 

Just the AMD FirePro M4000? Is this final?

 

Probably not. Also, I really hope HP and Dell do offer a 7970m based FirePro. If not - it's going to be a huge loss for them in the end. I'd then rather grab an older gen machine and save myself some cash.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6

 

I hope so too.

The 8760w?

 

M4600 - 17" is too big for my needs at this point. Plus the M4600's got a better cooling than the 8570w.

 

The bold is true.

 

Presently they don't seem to be offering any quadros as an option for the 8770w. Why is that so?

 

I don't think Nvidia is ready with the Keplar Quadros yet. Must go under certification and tests and so on.

 

Oh ok, thanks for the replay.

 

Yep, same reason why Dell is delaying their mobile workstations.

 

When will they release it?

 

end of this month

 

is the mSata SSD in a few models (example LY562EA, 24 GB) a new feature only for cache or can it be the primary drive if exchanged against a bigger mSata SSD?

Or does this make no sense and it is better to go for a 2,5" SSD anyway?

 

You should be able to use mSATA as a primary ssd and have similar performance. The only question is how it's implemented by HP. I'd imagine there's a BIOS setting to switch mSATA mode to active or something.

 

Have you made a decision on your next laptop yet?

 

Wanna see the M4700 before pulling the trigger.

 

Waiting to hear if the Optimus/Enduro implementations are present and good.

I need to run VMs on battery in conference rooms for work, then play games when I get home.

 

I guess Optimus will still be disabled like with the 8760w

 

Must be some other reason for the delay. Lenovo has been shipping Thinkpad W530 with Quadro K1000/K2000 for a couple of months now. HP's new Elitebook 8570w is also configurable with Quadro K1000/K2000 on their website, but the option is not there for the bigger 8770w. Something else must be cooking !

 

Perhaps certification is already done for those cards. We don't really know what the reason is.

Over on the Dell M6700 thread, they're saying something will show up by the end of the month. Perhaps we'll see something from HP in the same time frame.

 

We are in the same boat. I'm not holding my breath for HP to have proper Optimus/Enduro implementation this round, if history is any indication. But I do think Dell will have it in the Mx700 models by the end of this month. I also need a decent battery life for VM's on the go. Currently using the W510 but its battery life is ridiculously low.

Problem is, I'd also like to have a RGBLED screen but according to Intel HD4000 still doesn't support 10-bit panels, which means no switching for IPS equipped models. I might just grab a M4700 with stock panel and upgrade it to the Lenovo RGBLED TN panel to have both the battery life and RGBLED.... Decisions...

 

Whoa, good luck with that. If indeed that your choice.

 

Honestly, not too sure at this point. Are you going for the 8770w?

 

I am also undecided and uncertain about my next purchase. Still dangling between 8770w/mx700 and also w5300. And especially when you are spending that much from your own pocket (getting one for image/photo editing, panorama stitching), it hurts a lot and that too from outside the USA. I am not sure if they have any special pricing available for non-corporate customers that are interested in their business machines.

But one thing I am sure of, if they had 10-bit color support on Radeon/Geforce cards, I would have easily gotten away with something great for my use well under $1800 cap. According to Nvidia, their Geforce cards support it in hardware but drivers are still not available to support this feature.

In a discussion on an Adobe forum, there's a discussion regarding the 10-bit color in Photoshop CS5/CS6. In practice, Photoshop only worked with the Firepro cards in 10-bit mode and not with the Quadro cards despite the fact that Quadros support 10-bit color. I am not very familiar with all the technicalities involved but it is perhaps the biggest factor for me in deciding about my purchase.

 

Pricing is always gonna be ridiculous even with discounts. If you're lucky, you should be able to grab some final-testing units off eBay. I believe a few 8770Ws even with the K5000M have already sold on eBay for ridiculous prices (<£500). Only issue with these is warranty.

 

Yes, unless the m6700 blows me away.

 

I briefly owned a 8760w with DC2 and 5010M as well as a M6600. Personally, I liked the M6600 more due to a better cooling, but overall, both systems were pretty much on par.