COMING SOON: EliteBook Folio 9470m / 2170p / 2570p / 8470p / 8570p

Came here looking for discussions on the new Elitebooks but I guess nobody's posted this yet.

HP's just announced their new line of Elitebooks, including a new 11" one.

HP refreshes EliteBook line with five new models, Ivy Bridge and optional LTE -- Engadget

 

Thanks for posting this! I have updated the thread's title to encourage the discussion of these specific models.

 

Did the keep the optical drive in 2170p or is it finally removed? HP has never been able to compete with Lenovo X220 for this reason. If they could remove the optical drive they could reduce the size and weight while maintaining the full voltage CPU.

 

No optical drive, but it has a full sized docking station connector and a flush 6-cell battery. However, it is likely going to have ULV CPU options. I'm looking forward to the 2170p as it appears to be a perfect X200s/X201s replacement.

 

2710p: Will it support the Ultra crazy extended BB09 or CC09 battery... I'm sitting next to an 8460p with both and it would be fantastic to drop to the size of a 2710p BUT with the batteries.


UPDATE: Nope. Just seen a picture of the underside and it doesn't have the required mount holes

 

EDIT: 2570P does appear to have an expresscard slot.

 

HP has posted a video detailing some of these up and coming EliteBooks, if anyone is interested.

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I really dislike the 1366x768 resolution. The 1280x800 16:10 format was way better and I won't buy any new notebooks until they switch to 1600x900, because you really need the vertical height for eclipse, office, etc.

 

I wouldn't mind 1366x768 as I'm pretty much always connected to an external display but what 'is' the killer is the quality. I'd like to think that they'll fit a quality display this time. (My 8460p has the 1600x900 display)

 

No word on the 2760p replacement?

 

interested in the Folio, especially since the screen is matte. If it can be brighter than the current Folio 13,

 

liked the folio hated the res, at 14'' 1600*900 should be an option, just have to see how this one fares against the t430u

 

Unfortunately crappy TN Panel with 1366x768

 

and why no thunderbolt in the folio? it would make it one hell of an ultrabook with it! The size is adequate, not so much in terms of screen bezel/waste, the power should be good enough for what I do, the 2.5 bay is a great feature, however the res and lack of thunderbolt are... features that are supposed to be there

now we have to see the battery life, I like the idea of the slice in it

 

I cannot believe HP is so damn stupid, the Elitebook Foli and the Spectre XT are so beautiful but with that screen?
A solid 1600x900 IPS is around 20-30$ more if they purchase it in masses.

 

I dont see anyone making a ips 14'' or 13'' at that res, so it wont be a minor addition to the price.

they could turno to samsung though.

 

For a business-class machine, two important features are still missing...

A high-quality display (preferably 14" 1600x900 IPS - a MUST!)
Thunderbolt port (for high-speed connectivity with compatible devices)

Besides, a thunderbolt port would future-proof this notebook. Since it uses integrated graphics, such a port would allow third-party graphics card docks to be used.

 

sincerely for me the thunderbolt is there for us to use it as a docking device.

It will future proof giving it more power, it will have more options in the future, the problem is that while I want thunderbolt, I know that there isnt a lot of products to create market traction.

 

The Folio Ultrabook 9470m is 1366x768?

That makes the machine dead on arrival in October.

Jesus, that blows.

 

then, no thanks. I was able to test out a Folio 13 from work, and the screen sucked bad, it had the same brightness as my old calculator...

 

ThunderBolt doesn't even come up on my list of business required features... I agree that 1600x900 is pretty much the minimum acceptable for anything 13 inches and over though.

I'm pretty excited about the 2170p. The 25x0p series has become too heavy to compete with the X2x0 series imho. A bit disappointed about it being ULV only though. Hoping there are bigger battery options as well.

 

until thunderbolt gets some traction it wont. However it can be used for docking purposes right now, the problem is that it would void compatibility with older docks, and increase R&D costs.

For a business need, you need to have the tools to counter the added cost of change, and sincerely thunderbolt delivers poorly on that area.

However I do want thunderbolt, while Im selling my mbp not even after a 1 year of purchase, I like to keep my laptops as long as possible.

 

I don't know if its the same, but 1366x768; 200nit sounds like lowend.
Would be suprised if its better than 60% sRGB and contrast of >150:1

 

The Spectre XT has definitely caught my interest now, so long as it has 8GB of RAM (or more) to go with that i7 Ivy Bridge processor.

 

None of the ultrabook options are good enough until they gain a 1600x900 resolution at the minimum. These are dead on arrival as we can expect other vendors' offerings to compete on display quality as a major differentiator. Interestingly, it is the top 3 vendors (HP, Dell, Lenovo) which appear to have the common theme of not offering high-end no compromise ultrabooks, leaving this niche to be filled by Samsung and Asus.

 

at least there is a speculation that the t430u should come with a 1600*900 display, those should be at least an optional on 14''

 

HP EliteBook Folio review: first look | PC Pro blog

I'm certainly interested due to the secondary slice battery! Not that bothered with resolution as it would be attached to an external 1080p screen and outside of work it'll just be normal things that do not need the extra screen resolution.

 

The features and design of this notebook are certainly appealing.
If only they offered the option for a 1600x900 Dreamcolor-type display...
that would be awesome!

For those who said that 1366x768 is okay and would use an external monitor - this defeats the purpose of this notebook - portability, durability and mobility (hence the 9 hour battery life - 20 hours with extended battery for working on the road). In this scenario, you won't be able to carry your monitor along the way.

 

I second this. My organization will not be buying these or any other laptops at only 768 vertical resolution. at least 900 is essential and anything less is a deal breaker. manufacturers have to learn that we do not use our laptops to watch movies and we have figured out that vertical resolution is much more important than diagonal length -- misleadingly stretched out wider and wider.

The manufacturer that puts good 1600x900 screens in their business laptops will get loads of sales from companies that are eager for these screens.

 

Think of the standard business user... do they 'really' care or even know the difference? Probably not. I would 'prefer' 1600x900 but accept the lower res. It's not a deal breaker (But should be).

 

the folio 9470m has some competition the x1 carbon (probably they renamed the t430u) is coming and looking great as well.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/not...l-t-w-x-stunning-x1-ultrabook-discussion.html

Lenovo announces ThinkPad X1 Carbon, calls it the world's lightest 14-inch ultrabook (hands-on) | The Verge

 

The only major difference being that the X1 has an IPS 1600x900 display, which the Folio is currently lacking. Unless, that is, they realize this inadequacy and add the option for a similar display. Details have been rather scarce.

 

the t430u is still available on the lenovo site, thus I was wrong on that guess.

Since the screen is one hell of an important part, I would say that currently specs by specs the x1 comes ahead, but Im waiting anxiously for both to be tested

 

Lenovo are innovating with 900P LCD, IPS, carbon fiber, mSATA, backlit keyboards, Thunderbolt, Optimus switchable graphics.

What I can see so far shows the Ivy Bridge HP Elitebooks missing some critical features: switchable discrete graphics option on the 8470x/8570x and backlit keyboard or mSATA on the > 11.6" systems. Those make the systems comparable to the technology offered in 2008 but without the preferred 16:10 LCDs

Maybe HP's innovation here could be donating their Innovate moniker to Lenovo?

 

This is very much HP's style. HP has rarely ever been the first to introduce new platform technologies into their corporate notebook lineup if you look at the history of their refresh cycle. They often follow in the footsteps of Dell or Lenovo. As the next refresh after this will mean a redesign, we will likely see backlit keyboards, better displays and switchable graphics, but not this round of refresh.

 

Sure but Dell and Lenovo gave us mSATA, bettery displays and switchable graphics in the Sandy Bridge range, Lenovo extending that further in the Ivy Bridge range with chiclet/backlit keyboards and high-res panels.

It means then that HP will now be two gens behind in delivering comparable premium business-grade technology. I'm wondering if their design team and/or sign-off manager read any of desirable features content on this forum?

 

they could have done all that in their halo model, the x1

well just added the thunderbolt basically

 

HP 2570P vid below looks like it's the exact same chassis as the 2560P, including the expresscard slot. Might mean a systemboard swap would be the easiest way to get Ivy Bridge CPU support. I believe one of the USB ports then becomes a USB 3.0.

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Yes, but they have to wait for a redesign which will happen in the next update. If you look at the new design they introduced like the Folio, it has the mSATA option, but we won't know why HP did not include a higher resolution display. A lot of enterprise customers still don't value or need mSATA, backlit keyboards or Thunderbolt, so they are not deal breakers in large corporate deals where these notebooks shift in volume.

 

Ummm...MSATA *option*? I was under the impression that the SSD in the Folio/Spectre XT laptops was an MSATA SSD by default? As in, there is no other option?

Also, am I wrong, or is MSATA basically equivalent (max bandwidth) to SATA II? SATA III would seem to outperform (almost double) it, so I'm not so sure why MSATA is preferred?

 

Theres no 14" IPS displays, carbon have a TN screen...
The new P series is just 8560p should looks like... GPU is still low end which i cant get it...

 

Just to reconfirm this: there will be no backlit keyboards and IPS (or anything better than the previous low end) displays on the 14" HP "p"s?

Dreamcolo(u)r and backlit keyboards only on the 15" or "w" range?

 

Yep, not at that resolution. Meanwhile, ASUS has managed to get 13.3" 1920x1080 IPS display on their Zenbook ( AnandTech - ASUS Zenbook Prime (UX21A) Review: The First of the 2nd Gen Ultrabooks ) ....

 

But.. but... 1920x1080 on a screen THAT small will cause my eyes to implode, or, ending with me increasing the dpi to 125% which means I might as well go for a 1600x900 display. Oh well it's the way things are heading.

 

Meanwhile in HP land: http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/14314_na/14314_na.pdf

2570p screen specs.

12.5-inch LED-backlit HD
anti-glare
Dimensions (W x H) 10.63 x 6.4 in (27.7 x 15.6 cm)
Diagonal Size 12.5 in (31.75 cm)
Surface Treatment Anti-glare
Contrast Ratio 400:1 (typical)
Refresh Rate 60 Hz
Brightness 200 nit (typical) [typical in garbage screen category, yeah.]
Backlight LED
PPI 125
Viewing Angle ±30° Horizontal, ±10° Vertical (minimum) SVA
30/30/20/10 (Left/Right/Down/Up) (minimum) or
45/45/35/25 (Left/Right/Down/Up) (typical)

Looks like the same screen as before (see http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/14001_na/14001_na.PDF for 2560p specs). Too bad, I really love the design and don't mind the weight, but the screen with these specs [see EDIT] belongs to the museum and not on the Ivy Bridge laptop.

EDIT: Also comparing the screen specs with the measurements done on notebookcheck.net they are a bit off. The measured brightness was 128 (battery) to 151 nits (plugged in), a bit below advertised 200 nits. Further, the contrast ratio as measured in notebookcheck.net review was 145:1, significantly below advertised 400:1 (this is all for 2560p).

 

Are we sure next gen elitebooks support m-sata ssd? Even the 2170p? I am eager to replace my faithful 8460p. Best machine I've uses but I miss my ultraportable (2530p).
Love the new elitebook trackpad (so underappreciated).

 

Can't say either way if the 2170P has mSATA or not. We can however see pics of the systemboard at the Media Services Library. It clearly shows a wifi and WWAN socket and a 2.5" drive bay. There is no mention of mSATA anywhere. Had they wired mSATA then it would need to share the WWAN socket just like a X220/X230 does. Unfortunately the systemboard pics aren't clear enough to see if pin 25,27,31,33 are wired to give any hope it's a mSATA slot. Other peeve is the 2170P's lowly 48Whr 6-cell battery.

 

I've checked really fast the US specifications of the elitebook line and only the 9470m mentions msata in the storage options. Did not checked quickspecs though. This machine is interesthing but they really need a better screen. (if its anything like the one in my 8460p)

 

14" 9470M appears to get mSATA, 2.5" pri drive, 52Whr 4-cell (!!), 60Whr slice
11.6" 2170P gets a 2.5" pri drive, no mSATA, 48Whr 6-cell, e-sata.

The 2170P does have an e-sata port. Means someone could theoretically route it to the WWAN slot to make it a WWAN+mSATA port. HP warranty man wouldn't be happy about it.

So still no thin, light, dual-drive capable, 3/6/9-cell ultraportable/ultrabook successor to a nimble and attractive 2530P (2560P/2570P is noticably heavier).

Wonder how may customers jumped from a 2530P/2540P to a 'function-over-form' Lenovo X220/X230 ultraportable which extends it's lead with mSATA+2.5" dual-drive capabilities and IPS LCD?

 

That is so sad, the 2530p is amazing. Those are good news for my wallet though. I will not buy a new machine since my 8460p serves me well. I wish the 2530p had a glass touchpad, love it in the 8460p.