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    *HP 2510p Owners Lounge*

    Discussion in 'HP Business Class Notebooks' started by master blaster, Feb 13, 2009.

  1. clockwork247

    clockwork247 Newbie

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    does anyone still have the modded bios? the whole shebang got taken out by the file service :(.
     
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    sorry but i'm just raising a concern since most notebook thread on here are extremely useful, and they all uses mediafire (which just changed it's sharing policy), and I would feel alot safer using someone else's premade bios that's proven to be working than me screwing around doing it for the 1st time.
     
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    I will upload my one which is the 40pct fan one.

    As an update to anyone wanting to get a caddy, I have had the following

    ebay one - this worked flawlessly as master 90MBs in benchmarking tools - occasionally took 30 seconds to detect.

    another ebay one from the same company, this also worked the same as the first one - until I broke it with a soldering iron trying set to slave.

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    because I was trying to get a CF->ZIF adapter also working at the same time as the HD in caddy, I bought a newmodus one for 30GBP - this is appalling, when set to slave it always runs at 30MB - when set to master it sometimez runs at 90MBs sometimes 30MBs, sometimes has a 30 second delay and sometimes doesn't boot at all - It does have a jumper switch though, but I spent £5 getting a CF->ZIP adapter with a switch on instead which also works.

    in my opinion unless you simply want a nicely finished facia panel - avoid the newmodus - additionally the screws catch when they are as flush as they can get where the bay one doesn't catch but is a firm fit.
     
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    I accomplished to update the lfsb sources in April and put the information in this thread with instructions:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...87-hp-2510p-owners-lounge-87.html#post8443250

    I use it on 32 bit now. So the sources work on both 32 and 64 bit systems.

    EDIT:
    nando4: Do you know if the L7x00 motherboards for 2510p have the same PLL chip like U7x00 based systems?
     
  6. drifter42

    drifter42 Notebook Consultant

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    Hello I have gotten a 2510P with the L7700. Streams videos flawlessly, but with the stock hard drive in there it is pretty slow. From what I read in here, I'm looking to remove the hard drive, get a drive bay caddy and try my Samsung 470 in it to see if that speeds up the boot time up at all. I may but a 320gb in there, but I'm looking at a little more speed. The L7700 seems to up there close to 2530p standards or at least not too far down, so this seems like a capable machine in that regard. My main need is just a little boost in hard drive speed. I saw a caddy on ebay for 13.95. I have read quite a bit in here and have learned quite a bit, but are there any issues using the optical bay caddy without the stock hard drive in here at all? Thanks everyone.
     
  7. clockwork247

    clockwork247 Newbie

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    I haven't had any issue with that ebay caddy... the only problem is the faceplate, it'll need some modding to fit and attach on perfectly.... other than that, i kindda give up on sticking the faceplate on, i just use the unit itself. I've tested with my SSD and it crap out at around 70MB/sec read/write... so i revert back to a regular HDD since my SSD seems like a waste on it.
     
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    Thanks clockwork. Yes that's what I was thinking as well using a regular hard drive with plenty of space and maybe put my SSD in my wife's 2530p, but I may have to take it back from he :). I have not seen too much on one of these having an L7700 1.8Ghz. Most of the one's I've seen have the U series in them. They must have not made too many with the L series processor's in them.
     
  9. clockwork247

    clockwork247 Newbie

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    Mine is a U7600, i think the L series would make it heat up a lot, i have the mod bios 30% fan, and it heats up quite a bit... the dam U series is only good for web browsing and office, not much else.

    Good thing these units are really cheap ATM, i got mine with a 6 cell battery, no HDD no A/C adapter for 56 bucks shipped off ebay... useable to lug around and not care too much haha.
     
  10. KrypteX

    KrypteX Notebook Consultant

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    Hello guys,

    This is my first post here so be patient. I'm the proud owner of a 2510p, bought very cheap off ebay.
    I'd like to do the following, but first I wanted to ask the community and check not to do some mistakes:

    1. change the ZIF drive with a microSATA Samsung Thin 128 GB SSD 3.3 V (~3mm thick, no metallic case---those are 5mm thick)
    + this half slim SATA 3.3V to ZIF adapter from eBay (~5mm thick):
    New converter Adapter 1.8" Half Slim SATA II 22PIN SSD 3.3V into CE/ZIF PATA 40P | eBay

    The same SATA to ZIF adapter found also here, to see some extra photos:
    Half Slim SATA II 22PIN SSD 3.3V SSD to 1.8" CE/ZIF PATA 40PIN converter board | eBay

    I will, of course, need a micro SATA to SATA adapter cable, connecting the SSD with the adapter (3.3V will run through it):
    22 Pin SATA Male assembly to Micro SATA 16 Pin Female | eBay

    The adapter would stay on top of the SSD (the sum of their heights is OK, ~8mm) and I can just hope that the micro SATA cable connected on the SSD will not extend too much towards the mobo's ZIF connector... (really need your opinion on this one !!!)
    This "SSD+adapter+cable" combo would be the master drive.

    2. buy a 9.5 mm SATA to PATA caddy from eBay, like this one (it is probably a Sunplus chipset, not Marvell. I'm not 100% though):
    Optical Bay 2nd SATA HDD Hard Drive Caddy Module Tray Adapter PATA IDE 9.5mm | eBay

    and slave mod it (slave mod for Sunplus =??). Then put a 9.5mm SATA drive inside as slave.

    What do you guys think ? Are these 2 steps doable ?

    Thanks and best regards !

    PS: Just for your info, the SATA-ZIF adapter uses a JMicron JM20330 chip (SATA 1.5 Gbps). The SATA-PATA caddy seems to use the Sunplus chipset and not the Marvell 88SA8040 chipset (both are SATA 1.5 Gb/s to PATA 133 bridges).
    It would be interesting to find a caddy with the Marvell 88SA8052 bridge (SATA 3 Gb/s to PATA 133).

    I would like to point out that, in order to have better stability (and no more UDMA CRC errors), you might have to jumper/set via software any SATA HDD/SSD connected to these SATA-PATA adapters (be it Sunplus, JMicron or Marvell). For example, a Samsung 2.5" SATA HDD for the caddy can be forced to SATA 1.5 Gbps via the ESTool software from Samsung. For Hitachi, use FTool. Seagate drives can be jumpered. No solution for WD, however. It will "auto-negotiate", if it will at all... Same goes for SSDs -> most don't have any jumper at all or software to set the SATA mode.
     
  11. kecsap

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    In my opinion, my U7600 heats up a lot and my old nc2400 has the same "feature". Without laptop pillow, they are not comfortable to use. An L7x00 can not be much worse. :)

    kecsap
     
  12. kecsap

    kecsap Notebook Enthusiast

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    1. I don't know.

    2. I would buy an other caddy from ebay:

    NEW SATA 2nd HDD caddy for 9.5mm ACER BENQ HP DELL ASUS | eBay

    I use a caddy with the same look and the connectors are correct according to the images.

    Some reading:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...87-hp-2510p-owners-lounge-32.html#post5595329
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...87-hp-2510p-owners-lounge-32.html#post5610170
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/sol...-1-8-zif-pata-ssds-available.html#post6861746
     
  13. KrypteX

    KrypteX Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks for your reply.
    What chipset is in this caddy you have ?

    I just opened another caddy I had in my other Toshiba A200 laptop (PATA to SATA 12.7mm from ebay, the cheapest) and it's a Sunplus SPIF223A-HL022 chipset, I took pictures, here they are:
    http://imageshack.us/a/img228/3084/p1040535s.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img819/582/p1040538t.jpg

    Notice the SATA1 written near the connector (meaning SATA I = 1.5 Gbps). The Sunplus chip is a SATA 1.5 Gbps to ATA133.
    The PCB does NOT have a HDD activity LED, but one can be added I think, as you can see at the right edge of the first photo.
    It works fairly well with a 2.5" 640 Samsung HDD (HM641JI).
     
  14. kecsap

    kecsap Notebook Enthusiast

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    I don't know and I will not take apart now, but my caddy has HDD activity LED, if it helps. :)

    If you have caddy already and the connectors fit then you can try those before buying from ebay.
     
  15. KrypteX

    KrypteX Notebook Consultant

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    Here are some benchmarks with the Sunplus caddy PATA-SATA 12.7mm with a Samsung M8 HN-M101MBB 1TB 2.5" drive:

    HDTune (native ICH8M SATA)
    http://imageshack.us/a/img850/4185/benchmarkesata.png
    HDTune (Sunplus caddy)
    http://imageshack.us/a/img19/6263/benchmarkcaddy.png

    Anvil RC3 (native ICH8M SATA)
    http://imageshack.us/a/img204/1452/anvilog.png
    Anvil RC3 (Sunplus caddy)
    http://imageshack.us/a/img801/8756/anvilcaddy.png

    The sequential reads/writes are limited to about 85/64 MB/s in my case (in HDTune and when copying large files from and to).

    Here's a write benchmark in HDTune for a Samsung M7E HM641JI 640 GB 2.5" drive in the caddy (see the write cap @ 64 MB/s):
    http://imageshack.us/a/img829/9963/benchmarkhm641jiwriteca.png
     
  16. kecsap

    kecsap Notebook Enthusiast

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    Wow, something is wrong with my system, I get only max. 43-47 MB/sec read speed in my caddy. :-| I should look into my Linux system.

    Edit: Ok, my hard disk is so slow as it is. I ordered a faster...
     
  17. KrypteX

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    nando4, can you please check the Sunplus chipset for my ebay caddy ?
    http://imageshack.us/a/img819/582/p1040538t.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img228/3084/p1040535s.jpg

    I would like to slave mod this Sunplus caddy. I've seen you did it for the Marvell chipset, connecting pin 33 with a 3.3 V source. If you check the Sunplus SPIF223A Datasheet here:
    http://monitor.espec.ws//files/spif223a_182.pdf
    in Chapter 7.3 you will see the 2 Jumpers for Master/Slave/Cable Select. It's about pins 33 and 35.

    Would you be able to pinpoint the Slave or CS Mod possibilities, please ?

    Thanks !
     
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    If it's really *only* 3.8 mm thick, then it should work beautifully ! We need to find an mSATA to microSATA cable. I have to look a bit into mini pci-e/msata a bit more seriously.

    Good find !
     
  20. KrypteX

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    OK, so there are 2 very similar variants of the mSATA (miniSATA) 3.3V to ZIF adapters on eBay:

    This one is supposedly 3.8mm thick (50 x 30 x 3.8 mm):
    mini pci-e Msata SSD to 40pin ZIF adapter card as tohiba or hitachi zif hdd | eBay

    and this one is 6.5mm thick (63 x 35 x 6.5 mm):
    New converter board for PCI-E MSATA SSD 50MM to 1.8" CE ZIF PATA 3.3V adapter | eBay

    Please notice the differences in size ? Can it be that the first adapter is 13 mm shorter and almost half thinner ? I really wonder...
    What do you think ?
    Of course, we will need an mSATA to microSATA cable, too.

    PS: Also check this one. It's clearly Jmicron JM20330.
    eBay | mSATA SSD to 40 Pin ZIF Adapter Card as Toshiba or Hitachi ZIF HDD
     
  21. p0intman

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    Didn't know that MSATA could be two different connections.

    MicroSATA is the standard, correct?
    And Mini PCI-e is wrongly nicknamed MiniSATA?

    Anyway, would be cool to find a microSATA to ZIF adapter, microSATA disks are way cheaper and easy to find locally. Mini PCI-e isn't.
     
  22. KrypteX

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    Not really...
    First, we have MicroSATA=uSATA, this is usually found on 1.8" SSDs and is normally 3.3V.

    Then, we have MiniSATA=mSATA, which is physically identical, but electrically a bit different than Mini PCI-E. This is usually used on some very small SSDs and Wireless stuff. Usually 3.3V.

    Then, we have Slimline SATA, which is the 5V SATA connector on the back of modern optical drives.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    OK, so I tried to narrow down some of the PATA(IDE) to SATA caddies from eBay:

    1. The first one is the cheapest and it is a Sunplus chip (you already know the problems: no TRIM, don't know how to slave mod. It hangs for 30 sec if slave---the newmodeus caddy, using the same Sunplus chip)
    It can be recognized by the 2 holes on the baseplate used to mount the HDD/SSD with 2 screws.
    9.5mm Optical Bay 2nd SATA HDD Hard Drive Caddy Module Tray Adapter PATA IDE #1 | eBay

    2. Then there is the 2nd type, *probably* based on Marvell chipset (if it's Marvell, then it works great, knows TRIM, can do hardware slave mod with a wire as nando pointed out before). You can buy these from seller sz-gf, you can recognize them from the vertical metallic plate, each on one side, running over the plastic which surrounds the HDD bay.
    NEW SATA 2nd HDD caddy for 9.5mm ACER BENQ HP DELL ASUS | eBay

    3. Then there is the 3rd, with 3 vertical metallic plates, no text labels over it (Marvell ?):
    New 9.5mm PATA IDE to SATA 2nd HDD hard disk Caddy for HP Dell Apple MacBook | eBay

    There seems to be a very similar one, with the same 3 vertical plates on each side, but with a simple label added on top and a blue label plastic (protection foil ?) on the bottom:
    SATA 2nd HDD HD Hard Driver Caddy Enclosure for 12.7mm Universal CD DVD-ROM Bay | eBay

    4. Then, the 4th type, with a plastic insertion all around the HDD, a bit similar in layout to the Sunplus (the 1st type). I'll call it the "Fenvi" type:
    9.5mm IDE Optical Bay Hard Drive Adapter Caddy | eBay
    and here:
    PATA IDE 2nd HDD Hard Driver Caddy 9.5mm Universal CD / DVD-ROM Optical Bay | eBay
    and maybe this one:
    2nd Hard Drive Bay Caddy 9.5mm IDE to SATA for Laptops | eBay

    If you have any of these 4 types and you peeked inside to see the actual chip (Sunplus, Marvel, JMicron, etc), please confirm ! It would be nice to be sure which chip one gets with which...
     
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  26. KrypteX

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    So... I'm trying to find out if this adapter provides 3.3 V or 5 V to the SATA interface:
    New 1.8" SAMAUNG SanDisk Half Slim SATA II 22PIN SSD 3.3V into CE/ZIF PATA 40PIN | eBay

    I've contacted the seller with this message:
    "Are you ABSOLUTELY sure that the SATA connector on this adapter provides 3.3 V and not 5 V ?
    Please tell me. If this gives 5V to the SSD that I want to connect, then I can burn the SSD !"

    and I've got this answer:

    "I'm sorry.You misunderstand what we mean.
    I mean after the conversion, can only be used in 3.3V.
    SSD is not to say that using an adapter requires 3.3V.
    The most important is the interface is to require the same.
    have a great day!
    many thanks"

    Firstly, ain't it funny that I ain't gettin' it ? Secondly, I can NEVER get any straight answer from these eBay sellers. Thirdly, is it really so hard to learn a bit of simple, plain, basic english ?
     
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    I just installed a PCMCIA eSATA adapter (Silicon Image SiI3512 chipset) in my 2510p, latest drivers, and observed the following:

    1. Under Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit, there is a 14 MB/s speed limiting. On the Thinkpad T61 forums there were people arguing that it's the Ricoh R/RL/5C476(II) Cardbus controller on the motherboard being crappy. This is NOT true, because:

    2. Under Windows XP SP3 32 bit, I see the correct speed cap around 85 MB/s for read, but I also get a 24 MB/s WRITE cap !!! It should be more like 65 MB/s for PCI/PATA... How can I solve this ?

    EDIT: How to modify the base registers with BAR-edit for the SiI3512 card (Bus 3 Dev 0 Fct 0) similarly to the way we have to change from 0x1011 to 0x1033 for the PATA Slave to get rid of the 30 MB/s cap ?
     
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    hi ive just bought one of these of ebay for good price the main thing i need is the 3g mobile broadband which is pritty much why i bought it in the first place.

    only trouble being i hate vista! so ive upgraded to windows 7 but cant seem to ge the 3g card to work as there arnet offiical windows 7 drivers(correct me if im wrong? can anyone help me please!!!


    ps i apoligize if it already been coverd in the thread i spent many hours on google tryna find a solution but had little luck
     
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    Anyone knows where I can download the quiet fan? 2510P-dsdt-quiet-fan-V4.rar? File is private on mediafire =/

    thanks
    /krandor
     
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    Thank you for that BIOS link! Updated successfully.

    Added a optical bay caddy with an Corsair Forse Series 3 120GB SSD disk. The caddy is currently jumpered as slave. Disk Management in windows can't find the disk. Any solutions?

    I intend to remove the ZIF disk altogether and only use the 120GB SSD...
     
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    Hi Did you ever resolve the problem with your newmodus caddy, I have one of these to try and run as slave with a small SSD in the zif drive.

    This caddy seems to be absolute rubbish, whether set to master / slave / cable select? It fails to boot 90% of the time, is deemed too slow to benchmark using disk utility. The only query I do have is that I have read similar problems only if linus is installed? could it be the filesystem install on the hdd?

    I have had two cheap ebay caddies which both work perfectly but only as master, and I have also installed a slow 8gb CF installed in a CF to ZIF adapter which has a slave/master switch.

    I have emailed newmodeus and will see if they say anything.

    thanks

    Stuart
     
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    The SunPlus-based caddies are kinda awful...
    As extra info: I have a SATA-to-IDE (transforms a SATA drive to IDE) adapter for 3.5" drives, based on this same SunPlus chip and the adapter has 1 jumper to be set on 4 pins (you can connect it in 4 different positions + the fifth situation with the jumper off) !
    I tried it with a WD 500 GB 3.5" SATA drive and an IDE-80 wired capable mobo and it seems that the jumper sets the UDMA mode (2, 4 or 5). What is interesting is that on any position, the drive produces lots of UDMA CRC errors in SMART. It seems that it can't auto-negotiate to SATA 1.5/3.0.

    Don't forget that all of these SATA to IDE adapters (SunPlus, Marvell and JMicron Jm20330) are actually supporting only SATA 1.5 gpbs. If the SATA drive can't correctly negotiate to a stable SATA, it WILL produce CRC errors and probably hangs, blocks, BSODs, too.

    One of the solutions would be to manually force the SATA drive to SATA 1.5 first, but you can't do it on WD, Toshiba and some Seagate HDDs. Nor on any SSD AFAIK.

    It would probably be best to find a Marvell-based caddy. The Marvell chip passes TRIM correctly and can set a stable SATA without issues.

    Keep us informed !
     
  36. KrypteX

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    Stuart, can you tell us exactly what kind of caddies from eBay worked perfectly on Master ? Their chipset ? Maybe a link to them ? I'd like to buy one that works great on master, cause I know how to slave jumper a DIY SSD drive+microSATA-to-ZIF adapter for the 1.8" bay.
     
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    Hi,
    Okay I will try and describe my findings from this weekend of testing.

    This is the link to the ebay caddy I have, I actually have two of them as when I asked the seller a question he simply sent me another one?

    New Laptop Hard Drive Caddy 9.5mm IDE TO SATA for HP/ Asus / Acer | eBay

    I have a newmodeus caddy which has a slave / master jumper.

    I have a ZIF to CF adapter with a master / slave switch built in and an 8gb CF

    I have attached photos of the ebay and newmodeus, it appears that the ebay caddy is sunplus. Additional image is from Disk Utility.

    The disk is a Sata Toshiba 160GB 7200 MK166SYN - this only has 4 jumpers none of which swap the speed down to 1.5gbps

    I am using ubuntu 12.04 64 bit.


    With ebay caddy (master) and no zif
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    ->30 second boot delay (75% of the time)
    ->UDMA5 ( average 89Mbs)


    With ebay caddy (master) and zif (slave) boot from zif
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -> No boot delay (F9 and select optical)
    -> Caddy is UDMA5
    -> ZIF is UDMA4


    With ebay caddy (master) and zif (slave) boot from caddy
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -> No boot delay (F9 and select notebook harddisk)
    -> Caddy is UDMA5 (whilst doing these tests once the caddy was not UDMA5 but operates at 30Mbs, I could not reproduce)
    -> ZIF is UDMA4


    All the tests with the newmodus have been tried both with newmodus as master and zif as slave and alos repeated with newmodus as slave and zif as master. The results were the same.

    With newmodeus and no caddy
    ---------------------------------------------
    -> Got straight to grub screen but gave up waiting for the system to boot +5minutes, hdd light on constantly.
    -> not sure about 30sec delay


    With newmodeus caddy and zif boot from zif
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    ->no 30 sec delay
    -> zif UDMA4
    -> caddy UDMA2 but unusable - work to browse files, and can hdparm -iT /dev/sda but Disk Utility reports "too slow to benchmark".
    -> cady was occasionally displaying UDMA5 for a couple of minutes, and then as soon as used eg hdparm -tT or mount and explorer switched to UDMA2, hot swapping also showed UDMA5 for a brief period. sometime showing as mdma2 (I think with no pumpers on.


    With newmodeus caddy and zif boot from caddy
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    -> Got straight to grub screen but gave up waiting for the system to boot +5minutes, hdd light on constantly.
    -> not sure about 30sec delay


    Quite often when swapping the hdd into a different caddy, the screen will just show a flashing cursor unless you first boot using recovery mode->resume (the screen is not widescreen then reboot and normal boot then works okay, I can only imagine that the HDD stores something from the caddy?



    I cannot do :

    hdparm -X udma5 /dev/sda

    if errors with "missing sense data" (none of the other settings work either for example choosing udma2,3,4 when it is already working on UDMA5.


    I have not tried the libata.force=80c in grub, if anyone can shed some light on how to use this I would like to try this.

    ---

    I have ordered a cheap kingspec ZIF 16gb SSD for the boot drive but am going to have to try and slave the cable for the zif, using nandos guide about joining pin1 and 2 on the cable, really much too small for my eyes.
     

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    Thanks a lot for the details !
    It seems that a lot of conditions come into play when adding a Sunplus caddy (both your ebay and newmodeus caddies are Sunplus-based). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I want to summarize from your tables:

    1. The HP 2510p has a 30 sec boot delay if it does not see any ZIF drive (but an optical caddy is present). The newmodeus caddy as master only, no ZIF drive seem not to work (?)
    -this also depends on the BIOS version, see here:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...87-hp-2510p-owners-lounge-41.html#post5950521

    2. If Master ZIF drive + Slave caddy, the caddy will revert to UDMA2. In this case you can undo the 30MB/s capping:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...87-hp-2510p-owners-lounge-28.html#post5519419

    It seems that the best way to have it for a Sunplus caddy is
    A) Slave ZIF drive (if possible to set Slave) + Master caddy

    There is however, another possibility I will try (for a Marvell caddy):
    B) Master ZIF drive (DIY microSATA SSD+SATA to ZIF adapter) + Slave Marvell caddy (with Slave mod-needs soldering).

    Are there any inconsistencies in my reasoning ?
     
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    With my eBay caddies (which are not suitable for the slave mod shown on this forum) they run perfectly as master and there is no boot delay if something in the zif port. this delay must be a hardware scan, although I dont think it has a boot delay when booting with a usb key?

    I had the boot delay before upgrading from a bios which was a few back, I cant remember which one maybe 09? the current bios I have is the modded_bios recommended to allow the manipulation of the dual ida register.

    I have not successfully run the newmodus caddy in slave or master as a boot disk, only for accessing files, the UDMA2 must have been a false reading as it was reading somewhere in the region of 2MB/s and 124K in the 2 hdparm -tT /dev/sda results whereas real UDMA2 mode is more like 30Mb and 1Mb.

    NewModeUS have replied to me saying that they think the board is faulty and are sending out a replacement. The weird thing was that it was changing mode after being accessed? as if power / port control is dying?

    I will report back after the board has arrived (hopefully it will be before the SSD).

    I still dont know why the hdparm -X udma5 errors with "missing sense data"

    I think the tools for adjusting the UDMA mode are windows based but I am sure their would be ways to sort out the 40 wire / 80 wire issue in ubuntu

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    Either way I dont need to do all this, just anonyed I cant ;)
     
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    Hi I am pulling my hair out a bit here?

    I have purchased a "kindspec 16gb SSD" from ebay and it arrived today, and absolutely nothing, not in the boot list? or as a disk anywhere in ubuntu.

    I removed the caddy and replaced my ZIF-CF adaptger which works perfectly well, with this disk. I have tried several times refitted the zif cable.

    I am a little suprised that the ssd doesn't look anything like the picture on ebay and I also cannot find a matching google image of this SSD, the picture shows a type 1 zif connector ad this one has a type 2 connector the chips are not in the same placement either?

    The SSD has a model code KSM LP15 4F V0.1 does anyone have any similar experience here? is it possible that the zif to cf adapter doesn't need such a good cable and perhaps the cable is at fault?

    Please help, I have contacted the site, but know they will say send it back and that will be another tenner in postage down the pan.

    Thanks

    Stuart
     
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    thank you so much, i was run the 30pct fan version and it got a little hot for window 7, this 40pct one is perfect. I like these 2510p alot, they costs about 50 bucks to get one and setup and they they have great touch pads, keyboards, screen. a steal IMO until the 2530p come down in price.
     
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    Okay so this ihttp://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2012/04/msg00022.htm is exactly what happens with the newmodeus caddyand toshiba drive for me? I have a new circuit board but exactly the same thing happens to me. the deteriating speed and the "failed Readin DMA" in dmesg.

    I also bought a spare hdd cable which doesn't work from ebay as I wanted to experiment with switching the ZIF to slave but cannot do that if I dont have a spare.
     
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    stuartdb, your link doesn't work
     
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    +1!! love my 2510p, I often take it instead of my 2560p. must add that the 9 cell battery is a must on these for ergonomics, also used as carrying handle! The $60 kinspec SSD brought mine out of retirement, great bang for the buck!
     
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    OK, guys. Installed a Samsung PM810 mSATA SSD 64 GB (the mSATA equivalent of Samsung SSD 470), FW AXM18D1Q + mSATA to ZIF adapter into my HP 2510p.

    The SATA to PATA bridge of the adapter is JM20330 and is set as master. I left the optical drive inside as slave.

    The drive works flawlessly. I can confirm that TRIM works correctly under Win7 or via Anvil's Manual TRIM in WinXP. Also, Secure Erase through the SATA to PATA bridge works well (used PartedMagic).

    Sequential reads/writes are 78/65 MB/s.
    4K reads/writes are 11/18 MB/s.
    Access times 0.2-0.3 ms.

    Everything is snappy, many times faster than the mechanical ZIF drive (Toshiba 80 GB).
    Even the HDD LED is working properly.

    Anyone trying the same, be warned: not any mSATA drives will work with the mSATA to ZIF adapter.
    Some of the working, tested variants with the JMicron JM20330 bridge:
    Samsung PM810 mSATA
    Samsung PM800 1.8
    Kingston V+180 1.8" (actually a Toshiba HG3).
     
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    That's why I was saying that not all SSDs work well with JM20330. I was basically referring to TRIM issues.
    You should read this (relatively long):
    forum.thinkpads.com • 1.8" SATA to 2.5" IDE converter?
    with all the references therein.

    JM20330 doesn't seem to work well with G2 Intel X18-M and X25-M, but do work OK with G1 drives (no TRIM support in the SSD firmware). There are definitely some TRIM issues with G2 Intel drives (and most probably with Intel G3 320 SSDs, if I remember correctly).

    Simply put, these Intel drives work OK in Win XP because no TRIM commands are being sent to the adapter+SSD. However, on Win7, with TRIM enabled by default, something is wrong.

    However, most Samsung and Toshiba SSDs (Kingston V+ 180 is a Toshiba SSD) work well with JM20330 SATA to PATA bridge, including TRIM.

    On this Samsung PM810 mSATA drive + JM20330 I installed Win7 without any hiccups, deleted large files to check if during a TRIM command things work well. I've tested the drive with Vantage after a secure erase and after heavy writings. TRIM recovers the performance very well (see the Vantage Fill testing on TweakTown to see how).

    I've also tried WinXP. I've triggered the TRIM command from Anvil's Storage Utilities RC5, since there is no native TRIM support in XP. The TRIM is being interpreted well, according to the Vantage fill testings I've done.

    Just read the whole ThinkPad forum thread, in which the user "Johan" explains things very very well.

    Best regards.
    PS: also resume from standby and hibernate works perfectly for me, contrary to what nando4 says in your link. It's a pitty nando won't contribute to this thread anymore...
     
  49. KrypteX

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    One more thing:
    In the link you provided, there is no specific test or check being done showing that JM20330 doesn't pass TRIM properly to the SSD. I think there are serious confusions here between JM20330 and the Sunplus SATA-PATA bridge (found in the newmodeus caddy).

    Indeed, Sunplus does not pass TRIM. If you check this statement of nando, you'll see that JM20330 is OK with TRIM (or so it seems):
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...e-using-optical-bay-caddy-47.html#post7912442

    Also, make sure to install this Intel INF Driver for the motherboard chipset (series 900):
    http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=20775
     
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    Here are the benchmarks done under WinXP SP3 32bit with AS SSD and Anvil's Storage Utilities RC5 for my Samsung PM810 mSATA 64 GB SSD (FW AXM18D1Q) + mSATA to ZIF adapter (JM20330 SATA to PATA bridge) in HP 2510p U7600 1.2 GHz (modded firmware F.10)

    AS SSD 2.png Anvil 4.png
     
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