*HP Zbook 17 Owner's Lounge*

I always thought for vr you need a special screen but when I asked HP the monitors from the g3 are the exact same as the g4.

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I always thought you need a type if vr screen to view vr but when asking HP it's the same as the g3

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I think it was over in the 87x0 forum so if it works in there it should work in the Zbook 17 (if it fits)

I think the G4 VR marketing is based around the Pascal GPU being more powerfull but you still need the headset to go with it

 

Ok so this is very u settling for me. If I disable the dedicated Quadra and switch to the iris pro if I want some batter saved I get no sound. Has anyone had this before with all drivers updated and bios settings enable sound.

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Hi guys, my colleague and I are each using a ZBook 17. They have the exceptional DreamColor2 screen. They've got the high-pitched noise from near the top right edge of the screen. One unit is not as noticeable, though two units nearby together & the noise got to my head. Have quickly googled. It appears to be a common thing for the Dreamcolor displays. I've booked for HP to collect & take a look at my unit. Would HP be likely to help / or would they think I'm hearing stuff / nitpicking? (will obviously attach some screenshot of the other customers mentioning the noise). Thanks

 

They will help and replace it. I've had great support from them even with the smallest

 

It's here but it was dead on arrival :-D

 

Time for some of that HP support.

It was completely dead?

 

Yeah the only thing lighting up 2as the adapter light

 

After waiting so long.... you would think they test it before shipping it out

 

They said they did but can t guarantee 100% so I'm getting a call out

 

Ok haha so after trying again it decided to start up for me:-(

 

So its working?

 

Yup and I've had to operatebe because useless windows 10 update killed my bios password and finger print

 

Yeah the creator update broke fingerprint on my zbook 17 G1 and zbook 14 G2
edit - Worked again after setting up windows hello, just too lazy to fix until now

 

I went through the trouble of the cmos battery uninstalling it. I will say this. The back panel on this unit is the worse in have ever seen. I am very disappointed

 

Worse than the G3? I already found the G3 design worse than the G1 and 2.

 

Yeah it's half and half. Remember the g1. It has 1 easy uninstall battery with clips and 1 easy uninstall hdd bay for half of it. Then you need to un screw the rest of it

 

Is the G4 DC panel the same as the G3?

 

Yeah it's the exact same panel. Still 10 bit as well

 

Quick question - do all the ZBook 17 gens with DreamColors have have 10 bit? (for some reason got an idea stuck in my head some DCs are 6 or 8 bit)

If I recall correctly:
G1 has FullHD DC which is 10 bit
G2 spec mentions 10 bit FullHD DC
G3 UHD seems 10 bit?

 

Nope the best gen is gen 2 which is 8bit. The newer ones are 10bit because the 4k technology isn't able to support 8bit

 

Okay - is there much difference between 1st and 2nd gen?

 

I'm not sure about the gen1 I've never seen 1 haha. But I would trade my g4 for a heart beat to the 1080p g2

 

G1 and G2 don't have proper thunderbolt support and are DDR3, sound is bad like an ultrabook
G3 and G4 have Thunderbolt 3 and new Intel cpu's, motherboard has the cpu integrated which is an Intel thing rather than HP, this also allows for thinner laptops hence the new screen hinge design.
Dual fan design is good and seems be used by most manufacturers now.
Maintenance like RAM or HDD is harder because you need to take the entire bottom off with all the screws.
Battery has a wire now you need to disconnect.

I can't talk about the panel because I only have a normal 1080p G1 but from overall design(outside and mainboard) I can tell G1 and G2 are basically the same laptop.
I suspect the same between G3 and G4

 

Could one ask why the FHD is preferrable? Is there more to the UHD panel? (e.g. Windows scaling issues? Was looking at FHD vs UHD last weekend for a Dell XPS 9560 and on Windows going with UHD is still a bit tricky)

Very helpful - thank. As ZBook 17 essentially skipped Core i7 5th generation - G1 and G2 does sound similar on paper. Got a fully loaded ZBook 17 G1 (Core i7 4930XM, DC2, K5100M) - just deciding to renewal warranty or not. Got a basic G3 in the office - it's nice / lighter (can load up 64GB RAM) - though only seen the TN version so not really a fan yet(thinking the DC version is probably more useful for me).

 

Stick with the G1 unless you need Thunderbolt 3, 64GB RAM or a 4K display

 

My biggest annoyance with the 4k screen is that the scaler can't do a perfect 4:1 scale if you run the panel in 1920x1080. However, you can use Nvidia DSR to create a "virtual FHD" resolution that looks good, although you may need to disable subpixel antialiasing.

With recent patches HP has finally gotten the TB3 dock to be as stable as the older legacy docks. They even work well on Linux if you are using kernel 4.10 or greater too.

 

Is bleeding common with the screens? I've noticed a bit on my one

 

Actually, the reverse is true, regarding 10 and 8 bits: G1 and G2 have 10bit 1920x1080 DC2 (DreamColor2), whereas G3 and G4 have 8bit 3840x2160 DC3 (DreamColor3).

 

I spoke to go UP about this a while ago and I got the specific details off their third level support that it was 10 bit. They told me the 4k is not sustainable and will not be able to support 8 bit.

 

High-level HP support has told me some incorrect info too!

 

If you check your unit you will also see 10 bit

 

Hi guys, quick question if I could.

Got an out of warranty ZBook 17 G1 (NV K3100M, Core i7 Quad, FHD, LGD03FB) in the office today; the TN screen has more bright marks - it's in the way for photo editing. I'm looking at putting in a replacement panel myself. Would a non-DC IPS screen work? (I m guessing that you'll need a different cable for IPS, right?) I'm I correct, then I'm probably stuck to TN. The replacement panel has got to be the one with a 40pin (bottom left) connector?

E.g. might this work? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192183262583

 

Not sure if I would trust compatible displays as they might not be the same quality

 

I actually do not have a ZBook, but I think you refer here to what amounts to the fact that a ZBook supports 10bit external monitors.

Please understand that I mean no disrespect, to you or to HP reps (they have sometimes received incorrect info to tell me but they have always treated me well)--and I have been known to make mistakes--but at some point you got 8bit and 10bit switched in your attempt to remember. Here is your original relevant post:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/hp-zbook-17-g3-owners-lounge.788223/page-13#post-10352234

and here is where you accept triturbo's understanding that the quote from the rep makes it clear that the ZBook G3's 3840x2160 DreamColor is 8bit:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/hp-zbook-17-g3-owners-lounge.788223/page-13#post-10352525

Thanks for getting that info from the rep!

 

So your G4 also has backlight bleeding? Mine DC ZBook G4 is still awaiting the panel exchange at local HP service center, I expect them to be done in the middle of the month. The reason it takes so long is because there weren't any spare panels in my country. I really hope that the new panel won't have backlight bleeding as well.

 

Yup it's not a big amount just 2 spots at the top

 

Do the G3 and G4 have the same DC panel? you would think HP managed to produce better ones by now.

 

Nope the exact same screens. O got mine back and altho it had 4 spots of bleeding. They sent it back saying there was nothing wrong with it

 

They switched the screen for me, but the new one is just as bad. The same backlight bleeding. Now I'm waiting for another one.

 

Do you still have the G3? maybe you can swap the panels around

 

Does your cup fan stop when you are idle. I mean really stop or slow down almost to a halt and flat line at a very low speed

 

Guys, I desperately need some help, this thread is my last ditch effort in getting some pointers. So my 17 G2 has started acting up last week (stutters, sluggishness, insane DPC latency, etc.) Interestingly enough, this happened a couple days after I updated some drivers, the Notebook BIOS and installed some Windows Updates. Since then, my life has been a nightmare of Windows 7 and Windows 10 reinstalls, SSD formats, driver and software download hell. Basically, I can't get the ZBook to perform again like it used to, which was flawless. I suspect the new BIOS 1.17 has something to do with it, but I can't downgrade since HP put a version lockout on it. I am currently on my 4th fresh Windows install in 3 days. This has set me back tremendously at work and I can't afford any more downtime. Here's the general issues:

• Notebook runs very hot, all the time. PerfMon shows the CPU frequency above 100% most of the time, even though the CPU isn't doing anything. Usage between 0 and 15%
• Insanely high DPC latency spikes, all the time. From the moment I log in to the moment I shut down. Problem driver is ataport.sys, with latency readings going off the charts. I suspect an issue between the M.2 Z-Turbo drive and the OS/drivers. Others have reported similar issues in the past.
• System takes ages to boot, up to 1.5 minutes at times. Before I would be on the desktop from a cold boot in about 10 seconds.
• Machine is agnostic to OS, issues persist. Tried with Win 7 Pro/Ultimate and Win10 Pro/LTSB/Enterprise.
• Drivers are all up to date, so is Windows. No idea what's causing this.
• Machine is agnostic to BIOS config, no matter what devices are enabled/disabled and if UEFI/Legacy is selected. Again, no idea what's causing it.

I am the verge of buying a new machine just so I can continue working, every day is lost money for our company. RMA'ing is an option but would cost too much time. I've never had ANY issues with this ZBook, it's been rock stable since day 1 without a single BSOD, crash or freeze. But since last week it's been a nightmare. I've tried every fix I found online, to no avail. If any of you had similar issues or know what the culprit might be, please share that info with me, I'd be very grateful. Thanks guys

 

Was it after updating the bios? have you tried to install the bios again in case it was a bad flash?
Try pulling the battery and cable out for a few minutes before starting it up agian.

 

There is a firmware update available for the Sandisk Z-Turbo SSD's at HP's site, have you already tried running that?

You might try an EC (embedded controller) reset. On the Zbook G3 I can do it by removing the primary and coin-cell battery, then holding the power button down for 30 seconds. In theory the bios update should have done this as well.

I will agree with you, regarding productivity, though - honestly if you can't get it going today just order a replacement, especially if you do not have some kind of backup machine. I have dealt with HP customer relations and warranty support for situations like this, it can take weeks to get a resolution, or even a loaner machine (once they have made more than three onsite repair attempts). If you do get it fixed eventually, then you will then have a backup machine you can use in the future if the new one happens to fail.

 

I reflashed the BIOS multiple times, both from the BIOS setup and from a recovery (holding Win+B) during boot. Will try pulling everything and completely draining it.

My Z Turbo drive is made by Lite-On (CX-series). I don't see it mentioned anywhere on the driver page or in Softpaq Manager. I'll try and do an EC reset. This whole issue is driving me nuts, as the laptop was literally perfect for over a year and now this. Any more clues as to what could be the culprit of such issues? I'm not 100% sure it's the BIOS fault, just guessing.

Anyone else updated to M70 1.17? Did you encounter any problems?

 

Update: Did the hard reset (EC) and nothing has changed. I'm still seeing giant momentary DPC spikes up in to the 5 figures and the system still feels sluggish and choppy. I'm really at a loss for words right now.

 

Is the fan working? One time I had a machine boot up once with the fan accidentally disconnected. It ran, but very sluggishly. The processor would essentially run at 800mhz at 100% utilization and the machine would get very hot as you describe. It would be very odd if the bios update somehow disabled the fan, but its a possibility. Oddly though, the EC controls the fan, so if you reset it that should restore it (unless the fan itself has failed).

 

Nope, fan runs perfectly fine. It's audible and adjusts according to load