Hp 8510 P - upgrade from hd2600 to firegl v 5600

@ all the owners of a hd 2600

i´ve managed to patch the firegl driver v. 8.391 to recognize the hd 2600 as a firegl 5600. The driver boosts viewport-performance in opengl pro apps by 300-500%. Managed to get the pro features in the control panel also. With this driver the hd 2600 ( or hd 2600xt) is becoming a fully working firegl 5600 ( mobility).
Thanks to huangyan hao for the original script for the desktop cards !!

here´s my specviewperf 9.0.3 result

Code:

Run All Summary

---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
3dsmax-04 Weighted Geometric Mean =   [B]32.67[/B]

---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
catia-02 Weighted Geometric Mean =   [B]30.23[/B]

---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
ensight-03 Weighted Geometric Mean =   [B]23.12[/B]

---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
light-08 Weighted Geometric Mean =   [B]34.56[/B]

---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
maya-02 Weighted Geometric Mean =   [B]109.2[/B]

---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
proe-04 Weighted Geometric Mean =   [B]28.29[/B]

---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   [B]65.28[/B]

---------- SUM_RESULTS\TCVIS\SUMMARY.TXT
tcvis-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =  [B] 20.33[/B]

---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGNX\SUMMARY.TXT
ugnx-01 Weighted Geometric Mean =   [B]18.32[/B] 

This comparison shows the specviewperf results for the nvidia quadro cards :
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_11761.html
if you ´ve checked it you´ll see that the modded hd2600 mobility gives some serious buttkicking to nvidia´s desktop quadro cards


Before i give this driver away, i´m searching for like 3-5 people that are willing to test the driver for a few days.

I do want to give this driver to you, but i´m not responsible if there a bug in this or that application. I just tested Rhino v4 and maya 2008 and there are no problems with these two.

This driver is for windows 32 bit. I would like to have like 4-5 people by tomorrow ,that can make some testing with their opengl pro app.

This driver is not for gaming, since the directx part of the driver belongs to cat 7.7, so gaming will be a little worse as with cat 7.12 ( in my case : i tested 3dmark06 with cat 7.7 3316 points and cat 7.12 ~3440 points)

@ destiny
I´ve seen you are working with solidworks. would like test this appclication ??

 

I am more than interested Is that some sort of official driver??
I can test AutoCAD, Solidworks, Pro/Engineer, Rhino v4

 

Yes, it´s the official driver.

I patched the driver from this package

FireGL Software Suite
Driver Packaging Version: 8.391.2.1.1.1
2D Driver Version: 6.14.10.6706
Direct3D Version: 6.14.10.0510
OpenGL Version: 6.14.10.6663
dated : Oct. 12, 2007

The driver is based on the Catalyst 7.7. It´s the second update on that 8.391 firegl driver , that is supposed to solve some selection bugs in maya.

The actual modification i made was just to force the driver set free the professional opengl features like double planes, wireframe acceleration and quad buffered stereo mode.

Ati´s mainstream cards are actually the same as their firegl boards.
The only differenc is that the firegl boards mostly have better memory and a better memory controller.
The graphics driver just chooses via the device id of the card if it installs the pro features or not. It´s just as simple as that.
Thanks to a chinese guy named huangyan there are some patchscripts available for patching the drivers for desktop cards.

I managed to change the script a little bit and force the driver to recognize the 0x9581(dev id of the hd2600) as a firegl 5600. I managed to get the control panel with pro settings to work too.

Since this driver is based on cat 7.7 you will loose some performance in directx.
Maybe you remember my 3dmark result with cat 7.11 and cat 7.12 : ~ 3440
with the cat 7.7 the 3dmark06 result went down to 3316.
That are the results ackeron had when he first tested his notebook for the review.
Gaming will not be that much joy as with the 7.12, but i´m working on that.
If i´m lucky i can get patched driverfiles to work with the cat 7.12.

For now you are the first one here that wants to test the driver. Would be nice if there would be 2 or 3 more that can test the driver.

Besides testing the driver in some apps, it would be nice if you could test it with a second monitor, a tv or beamer.
for testing purposes it would be good to test the stability and performance with the specvieperf 10 which be found here : http://www.spec.org/gwpg/downloadindex.html

please post your results and bugs you´ve found here.

If there are 3 up to 4 people willing to test i´m gonna upload the driver. After some successful testing the driver will be available for all.

@ the admins / mods

is this against the forum rules ? i do not hope so, since no laws are broken , and no intellectual property is violated.

 

Nobody interested in testing ?

Well maybe this will make you at least think a little about it:

here are my latest Specviewperf10 results,even oced the hd2600 ( Firegl5600) to 566/667 mhz. And my system is running absolutly flawless, stable as a rock.

Code:

SpecViewPerf 10  [B]Ati Hd2600 mobility @ Firegl v5600 HP 8510P /T7700/4 GB/120GB-7200[/B]

Viewset 	    Composite 	
3dsmax-04 	  33.92 	
catia-02 	    32.05 	
ensight-03 	   25.25 	
maya-02          121.62 	
proe-04 	    30.10 	
sw-01 	            68.09 	
tcvis-01 	    22.29 	
ugnx-01 	   20.55 	

What i can tell you already is that this ati mobility consumer-card gives even Nvidias Desktop Quadro´s some serious ass-whooping.You might say the two tests are not comparable, since one was run on specviewperf 10 and the other was run on specviewperf 9.03. Well these two versions are using the same tests. the specviewperf 10 has just added additional testing for x64 systems and multisampling features, which were not used during this test.

Code:

SpecViewPerf 9.03  [B]Nvidia Fx 3500 (Desktop) 3 GHz Dual Core Duo Xeon[/B]

Viewset 	    Composite 	
3dsmax-04 	  33.36	
catia-02 	    43.06 	
ensight-03 	   17.47 	
maya-02          108.10	
proe-04 	    37.22	
sw-01 	            49.84 	
tcvis-01 	    10.56	
ugnx-01 	   14.91 	

just to make feel a little better, the driver mod does not make any changes to the hardware. it just sets free the capabilities ati has blocked for the consumercards.

 

@ destiny

i sent you a private message containing the link and password to the driver file. the driver is for windows xp 32bit.

when you install the driver make sure not to use the setup.exe .

in order to install the driver you should go to display settings / graphics adapter / driver and install driver via the "have disk " method

- browse to the extracted folder / driver / XP_INF/
- the correct inf file will be selected
- you should see a new graphics adapter " ATI FireGL Mobility V5600(schoko) "
install this one
- if you have installed newer drivers you will need to overwrite all newer files with the older one´s from this driver

after that you are done with the driver, you´ll need to reboot.
to get the professional settings in the control panel you just need to install the cpanel via it´s setup.exe ( make sure to have the CCC uninstalled)

if you don´t want the professional tab you just can install the CCC. it will have all settings for the hd 2600.

advantages of the cpanel :

- you can choose settings for each proffessional
- you can switch on quad buffered stereo mode if needed

disadvantages of the contropanel :

- no settings for powersaving schemes
- some of the settings for the pro apps actually slow the performance of the card

if you don´t need the settings for the pro apps just install the ccc. When no specific setting for a professional app is set, there´s a standard scheme, which seems to be faster than all the other settings.

please download the specviewperf 10 and do a benchmark before and after the mod. It would be nice if you could post your results here.
if you have some questions.... i´ll check this thread a few times a day.

have fun with your new FireGL V 5600 Mobility

 

Thanks man for that! I will give it a go today Downloading the specviewperf will take ages though as Im on the 512k connection at the mo, but I will give it a go, I hope the connection wont break. Estimated downloading time 3 hours 50 minutes... lol

 

you might not want to play some recent games with this driver. since the d3d part of the driver is based on cat 7.7 there is no crysis hotfix. i´ve tried to play it, but it´s stuttering a lot. overall gaming performance has gone down a bit

// edit just forgot to mention , when you are testing stability and performance with specviewperf 10, just use the standard benchmark@1280x1024 ( no x64, no multithreading)
- in start /programs you´ll find specopc / specviewperf10.0 / - run viewperf 1280x1024 //

 

Cool. Thanks. Im curious if its going to fix my problems with SolidWorks and Rhino...

 

problems with rhino ?

do you have a corrupted tooltip, when snapping objects ?

 

hi guys,

I can test this one in solidworks, but im using Vista 32-bit. So does this driver also work in Vista? Can we use the Realview option in Solidworks?

 

Have You got SW2008?? or does 2007 works ok in Vista for You??

Im not talking about corrupted tooltip but problems with displaying things and it crashes when I open it. Same with SW.

 

nope, sorry, but there is no driver patch for vista yet. this driver is only for xp 32. and i guess it will take some time until we´ll see this working under vista. weeks, months - i dunno.

 

@destiny

well, that sounds rather like a bad installation. i don´t think the graphics card driver will change anything to your rhino crashing during startup. it´s worth a shot, but it sounds rather like something else is wrong in your system / windows installation.

 

I have SW2008 and it works under Vista. I have a winXP dual boot system but the sound doesnt work for my HPHDX9130 notebook. But i could test it in WindowsXP for SW2008, but there is no spec benchmark for SW2008 yet

 

if you wanna test the driver, you should download the specviewperf 10.
http://www.spec.org/gwpg/downloadindex.html

the package for xp/32 i´ve created contains the driver, the control panel and the hdmi driver.
are there more programs you could test ? anyone ?

the driver supports these programs

3ds max ,Adobe After Effects,Allplan,ANSYS,ABAQUS,AliasStudio,Altair, ArchiCAD, AutocadHyperWorks, Autodesk Inventor, Autodesk Viz,Autodesk Revit, Arcgis, Avid DS Nitris, CATIA, EUKLID, FEMAP, Fluent, Houdini, ICAD/SX Mechanical PRO, I-DEAS, IronCAD, Landmark, LightWave 3D, MADMYO, Alias MAYA, Microstation, Modo, Opticore Opus Realizer, Petrel, Poser, PowerSHAPE, Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire, Pro/Concept, SOFTIMAGE|XSI, Solid Edge, Solid Works, SolidMX, Tebis, Unigraphics NX, Vitrea 2, VisiCAD

beneath these it would be nice if you guys could test the typical things like 2 monitor / Tv / Presentation mode / Hdmi Audio ........

 

Schoko,
the problem is occuring only if in CCC i set up higher quality settings, yet crashes occur even in performance mode. Crashes cant be related to software as it was all ok, until some hardware changes been done during repair.
Check this post http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=2742241&postcount=3
for a better description.

 

hmm, i seem to remember a problem that at least did let maya crash when it was started.

it was/is a problem of a quality setting. whenever you turn on the triple buffering option, maya would instantly crash when it started. Turning off the triple buffering let´s maya run like a charme.

just a quick shot, but you might wanna check if this could be a problem.

 

Where can i get the drivers? to test?

 

will pm you the link

 

Just checked. Tripple buffering is off, and neither SW or Rhino has OpenGL turned on.

 

@ j_love

just wait a second before installing the driver.
I´ve just seen you have posted in the hdx - thread. Does that mean you have a hdx with a hd 2600xt ?

if this is the case the driver will not work for you.
i need to patch the driver in order to work with your card ( 0x9583 ) .

 

OK. Results with latest driver for XP 32bit from HP website.

Code:

Viewset 	Composite
3dsmax-04 	15.05
catia-02 	11.56
ensight-03 	12.06
maya-02 	27.06
proe-04 	9.09
sw-01 		21.18
tcvis-01 	5.33
ugnx-01 	3.83

Update:
Results with modded FireGL driver:

Code:

Viewset 	Composite
3dsmax-04 	26.98
catia-02 	26.04
ensight-03 	21.53
maya-02 	104.71
proe-04 	24.20
sw-01 		56.94
tcvis-01 	18.90
ugnx-01 	18.24

 

yep, looks like you´ve got it working. congratulations mate.

guess you have a 8510 w now

 

ok im waiting for Spec to download fully. So couldnt install the driver yet.

 

@ j_love

my conclusion is right, your card has the device id 9583 ?

i´ve uploaded the driver patched for the hd 2600xt (dev.id 9583)
will pm you the link with the updated driver.

 

Ok... seems like we have a problem... well, at least I do. Ive got same problems as Ive showed You in a different post. Although it doesnt crash I still have corrupted things on display. I just believe my HD2600 is bad, or I have a lemon. Will see after 7th of Jan, as Im going to have a motherboard replaced. Anyway, thanks for all your work.

 

Slightly off topic, but I remember that HP was originally going to offer the 8510w with either the nVidia Quadro FX 570M or the ATi FireGL V5600, but then proceeded with only the nVidia option.

It appears that all this modding with the 8510p and transforming the HD 2600 into a V5600, along with HP initially stating the ATi or nVidia option in the 8510w, forms the missing link between the 8510p and 8510w as far as graphics cards are concerned.

So it appears that it is quite feasible to transform a "normal" card into a workstation card and back, regardless of the card being nVidia or ATi. I know the same thing happened by accident to my nw8440, after I got my power adapter replaced once. After I got the machine back, my PC was recognizing my card as an Radeon X1600 instead of a FireGL V5200! (They're "equivalent" cards).

Go figure.

 

You´re absolutely right. production wise it makes a lot of sense.
Producing two different notebooks from one base unit is a clever way to save money. I wonder why HP has dropped this idea.

If you have a look at Hp´s driver for the Hd2600 you will also find the Firegl in the driver.inf :

CX_53893.inf

[ATI.Mfg.NTx86]
"ATI Mobility FireGL V5600" = ati2mtag_M76, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_ 9581&SUBSYS_ 30DF103C
"ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600" = ati2mtag_M76, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_ 9581&SUBSYS_ 30C5103C

actually the driver decides via the device id of the card what features will be installed. in this case the device id´s are the same. But if you compare the subsys id, you´ll find that the 103C stands for HP as a manufacturer, the 30df is the id for the 8510w mainboard and the 30c5 is the mainboard id for the 8510p.

It seems as if Hp had planned to just built in the same graphics boards in both machines and just let the driver decide (via the mainboard id) what features will be installed.

But to make this work Hp would have to patch the ati2mtag.sys themselves to force the firegl features for the card. Afaik the driver will only take the device id ( not the subsys) into consideration when choosing what features need to be installed.

I guess this could have been one of the major problems Hp has led to abandon the "self-patched" mobility firegl v5600.

just a shot in the dark......

 

this is great ! how do i make my 8510-p into a w ? this computer just gets better and better !!

 

Small refresh of the topic since it is aimed mostly at CAD users. Could one of You do me a big big favour??
I need somebody with XP and the latest graphic driver from HP to test one thing in SolidWorks 2007 or any other really. Set the High Quality settings in CCC and than run SW. start sketching. I would like to find out if You can see any anomalies, artifacts etc.

Let me know please!

 

hi destiny,

I couldnt test the Drivers yet. I have some problems with my HDX. I hope I can test it this weekend, so if someone else cant test it by then i can do it on Sunday.

 

I need somebody to do it NOT ON THE FIREGL driver! I want it to be tested on the official HP driver for Windows XP that is supposed to support SolidWorks 2007.

 

oh ok, which one do you want us to install, maybe you can post a link? But think i cant help you, because i have a HP HDX and not a HP 8510.

 

oh, so u must have the hd2600 xt u can try it anyway. Here u have a link, just click download http://xrl.us/bebz5

 

Hello. I do that.

I have XP Pro SP2 installed on my HP8510p Core DUO 2 T7100 1.8Ghz, 2GB Ram,
Solidworks 2007 SP3
ATI mobility radeon HD2600 latest driver from HP

With High Quality settings in CCC I see also anomalies, artifacts etc.
Whith normal settings solidworks works well.

 

Ok. Any crashes, ati VPU recovery error or anything??

 

upgrade to the latest BIOS on hp's site... it fixes all BSOD problems...

any chance of Specviewperf 10 results?

 

hi samov,

nice to see you around here. am i right supposing you are the samov from guru3d ?

for the specview10 results check the previous pages of this thread. ;-)

 

... you're right...

i switched to 8510p, i'm on vista 64 and WITH Firegl "modded" drivers but i need specviewperf 10 results to compare them ... anyone?!

 

as stated before, look at the first page of this thread
i posted my results with the modded hd 2600 compared to a quadro fx 3500.

i guess that should make you happy.

 

wait.... you are on vista 64 with modded drivers ???
how did you manage to do that ?

did the proposal from yo*****becool work ?
is that the reason you need results for comparison ?

 

yo*****becool did not make any proposals... i found this thread searching for some comparable results....

i have two HP's in front of me 8510p 8510w both "identical" except for the card... which is physically the same... EVEN the device id's are the same... the only thing that's different is the motherboard id string.

did a liitle search in the bios image and found traces of nvidia bioses....

Conclusion...

Same laptops (8510 comes with almost 3 different cards from hd2600 to quadro 570m), same BIOS... the bios i think loads the appropriate videobios for each card... BUT since v5600 and hd2600 are identical... they must use the same bios...

i've managed to modify the inf from hp's driver and got i "think" almost double performance increase under maya but can't compare it accurately except in Specview 10.

 

yep, that was hp´s plan.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=2817608&postcount=28

but something has made them move a step back from using a modded firegl in their notebooks.

and yes you are right the bios is the same for hp8510p & w. and it contains a videobios for the nvidia quadro and the hd 2600.

// forgot to mention this, but the mobile firegl v5600 never was released..... and i guess there won´t be such a card for quite some time. most likely hp had just planned to do the same trick we are using too ..... patching the atim2tag.sys

 

what do you mean by this?

this was also the case on nc8430/nw8440....

there is also another possibility... that the motherboad looks at it's own id and loads either a firegl or radeon bios...

 

true, this could be done.
but i think hp would need to patch the dev id 9581&SUBSYS_30DF103C for their "firegl v5600" to force the the atim2tag.sys to make use of the pro features.

and if they had done this i guess all we would need to do is change the subsysid in the driver.inf to make a standard hd2600 to work as firegl.

 

Well.... it's exactly what i thought and actually tried to do... i will post specviewperf 10 results tonight.

 

thanks for the information m8. i am curious about your results.

btw did you read the post from yo*****becool concerning the vista x64 patchscript changes ?

 

no... i did not... post the link so i can catch up on some reading...

 

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=250138

not all the things he is saying are making sense, at least not according to my knowledge.
if i had vista x 64 installed , i would have tried already.... but right now i don´t thinks its really working, so i would not make the effort to install vista.

 

here are the results i promised...

Vista x64, UAC OFF (specview does not run otherwise), Aero OFF, Specview 10 32 bit single thread 1280x1024.

FireGL v5600

Viewset Composite Mulitsample Performance
3dsmax-04 10.30
catia-02 8.92
ensight-03 10.39
maya-02 17.37
proe-04 6.76
sw-01 15.85
tcvis-01 3.42
ugnx-01 3.44

see picture below