Hp 8510 P - upgrade from hd2600 to firegl v 5600

Schoko, may you explain me, what are the dificulties to compare the original ati2mtag.sys with the hp one? to try to patch the subsystem id in the hp drivers, and try to make it work in Vista?

1) Sorry for my english. It's too hard for me...
2) I ask you because, you said it time ago, and you haven't got any information for us. We are interested for it, maybe we could help you...

(I don't want that you misunderstand me, for my poor english, it's hard to explain. I don't want to say that you doesn't work, or you work bad..., It's only for information, that's all).

Thank you.

 

Hi Schoko,

I have sent PM you, could you please send me the XP 32 driver please? I will post my result after the patch.

In the mean time, these are the result of my original HP. I have T7700, 2GB DDR2, ATI HD2600 DDR3 256MB. Driver 8.391.2.1110
resolution at 1280x1024,
3dsmax-04, 14.37,
catia-02, 12.11,
ensight-03, 11.26,
maya-02, 22.82,
proe-04, 8.45,
sw-01, 21.24,
tcvis-01, 5.23,
ugnx-01, 3.58,

Have anyone try to use HP Performance Tuning Framework (HP PTF)? It recognize my graphics as FireGL V5600 without a patch.

CHeers

 

The PTF is not really doing anything usefull. At first I thought it might be useful but in reality it is really not. Not even worth installing for a normal user I think.

 

@ ozoneku

you have a pm.


have fun with your new toy.

 

hi schoko! I hope you send driver for xp32 and vista32,because i want to compare the XP with VIsta in my laptop (i am using both of them).thankyou very much!

 

Drivers for Vista can be found at the HP support pages. As of today no soft-mod drivers exist for Vista. This has to do with the "enhanced security features" of Vista, e.g. that each driver has to be signed.

I am tinkering with a way to get driversigning to work, but I am swamped in work (busy month). When I find a solution I'll see if I can't get around to learning this patch-scripting myself.

XP-drivers exist, I'll send you a PM.

Good luck.

 

@ Vista-users.

Does anyone besides me get a little miffed that the latest graphics driver for Vista64 is based on 8.383 and was put up for download in August 2007?

Thats 10 months on a driver that is not even certified for use on most Vista-capable CAD/CAM suites.

Vista32 has the 3.981, but this is also a relatively old build.
I just can't muster the motivation to really have a go at patching Vista-drivers until there are some newer drivers out.

In every other aspect the HP support far exceeds my expectations. Why the lousy driver support in Vista? I don't get it.

All right, I know this was a little off-topic, but I needed to vent, and I know that a number of the readers of this thread eagerly anticipate a Vista patch.

Hope I didn't offend anyone

.naka

 

I have been testing the modified Vista 64 driver recently but with no luck so far. Vista is far more complicated and patching will take a little longer than expected. Driver I tested didn't even want to install at all.

nakamoomin, why are you on XP32 bit for CAD/CAM? and you have Vista 64 as well?

 

I'm running a dual-boot for the time being. I needed XP to run some of the CAD/CAM suites available at my university (SolidWorks primarily). As my computer came with Vista64 (I chose 64-bit because I have 4GB installed and plan on upgrading to 8 when the price is right) I played it safe and went with XP32. I have heard a lot of mixed feedback on drivers for XP64. Besides I wanted to run games, which I recon have fewer hiccups on XP32 than XP64.

I know I probably could have squeezed a bit more out of my notebook with XP64, but for the most part I use a Dell Presicion Workstation with Xeon 3GHz, 8GB RAM and Quadro FX3500. The HP 5810 is just for when I need to do some work on the road/at home.

So now I have XP32 for CAD/CAM and Vista64 for the rest. I really like the user interface of Vista, and that extra RAM is put to good use by Adobe.
I might have been satisfied with just a better driver (8.383 i TOO old) but I'd really like to see what gains could be made on Vista as well. As most of you probably know, the OpenGL support in Vista is downright lousy, and some reviews show as much as 70% increase in performance when going from Vista to good old XP. But these reviews use regular "gaming-grade" cards and drivers. I hoped the specialized drivers from Ati/HP could bring Vista up to speed.

At least I want to see for my self just how much worse Vista is.

Good to hear that someone is already on the case of making the Vista-mod. I don't know if you have gotten signing to work, but I'll look in to it next week, maybe I'll get some time this weekend.

best regards.
.naka

 

Im just finishing my configuration of dual boot 64 bit on both XP and Vista, and since the notebook is my main, [an only ] workstation at the mo, Ive got all apps to work under XP, and games run on Vista. Well DX 10 is tempting

 

Long time since i've been here,... so there is a new version of the 32Xp-driver?
Any improvements, the v5600 shoko v1 did'nt perform that well after all.
Strange thing, maybe wrong installation after format C...

Anyways, can someone send me a link of the new driver, i'm keen to test it.

thx in advance!

 

did you get the PM?

 

Yes i did, shall i answer? maybe a little bit too late... srr

got the new drivers, will post the testresults soon.

 

Can somebody send me the latest XP64 drives please?

 

Anyone else FED UP with the ridiculously slow update of Vista64-drivers?

I wrote HP support (very quick and polite, btw) ut their only advice to me was to change platform.. Come on!

"We have newer drivers for XP64..." OK, but that doesn't help me.
Anyways. Until we get the signing up and running (I'll look into it after I'm done with my thesis, around Jul. 1.) It really only affects gaming, but still.. I think it's not good enough when it is the only platform that lacks a SolidWorks-certified driver.

I'm not sure, but I'd guess that there is quite a difference between 8.383 and 8.452 performancewise.

Just blowing off some steam. If anyone else feel like telling HP that this is not good enough, nothing would please me more.

Have a good summer vacation, guys.

.naka

 

Anyone provide me with a link for xp64 drivers please?

 

thought i did send it already.

anyway, since it does seem i haven´t done that already, i just send you the link via pm.

 

Thanks alot... i'll post results shortly

 

XP64 drivers...I still find running Max 2008 on D3D much faster in viewport performance than OpenGL mode with these new drivers. Havent really tried it in much else yet. Im sure it will help with Sketchup. Anyone have any comments on how it is in Autocad 2008 or 2009?

3dsmax-04 31.09
catia-02 29.93
ensight-03 23.21
maya-02 106.02
proe-04 27.78
sw-01 62.15
tcvis-01 19.85
ugnx-01 18.14

 

autocad 2008/2009 runs much faster in windows xp 32 bit, thats all i can say...

Be sure you change your settings in max to opengl! (customize/preferences/viewports)

 

Well thats good new with autocad then, havent got around to installing it yet, but eventually.....

I did change the graphics mode. Tried 2 different evermotion scenes, orbiting around was noticeably slower in OpenGL mode.

 

If you also dont feel any difference in autocad or some other opgl application, than its maybe just better to stick with the hd2600 drivers?

Or change to 32bit, but you prob have 4gb ram... so thats no option.

Ideal configuration now is imo:

dualboot
32bit xp with modded v5600
64bit vista (wich is much better supported (read the same) as 32 bit version of vista) with ordinary drivers

xp64 bit has never been a great succes (due to constant problems with drivers)

 

WHAT??
Had no problems with XP 64 so far. I actually do not use Vista, as I havent been gaming at all recently (the only reason I have Vista 64 is games really).

 

I've also had no problems with xp64 so far, few driver install issues off the start but good to go now.

Im really not noticing a good performance difference from vista in many things though. Currently have tried SU, Autocad 2009, Max 2008 and other apps like CS3, Office 2007, etc.

 

SolidWorks is working much faster for sure I was using CS2 before, but CS3 seems much faster on XP 64 than CS2 was on Vista 32 tho.

 

Schoko!
Can you send me modified drivers?
I have Hp 8510P too and have problem with OGL hardware in Maya and MotionBuilder. Now use patched original ATI drivers 8.4.
WinXP, 32 bit.

Thanks and sorry for my english.

 

hi denzil,

would have sent you a pm already, but it seems you have pm disabled.
enable the private messaging and i´ll sent you the link.

 

hi schoko-this is my report with your driver XP64bit,it is very good!
Viewperf 3dsmax-04 Report

Viewperf 10.0
fill in config.txt
fill in config.txt
Test # Weight () Frames/sec
1 5.50 22.10
2 5.50 29.20
3 5.50 23.70
4 5.50 24.30
5 17.00 60.90
6 5.50 34.60
7 5.50 34.10
8 5.50 21.20
9 5.50 21.00
10 17.00 40.20
11 5.50 44.80
12 5.50 44.80
13 5.50 36.40
14 5.50 36.50
Weighted Geometric Mean = 35.52

 

Yeah....
I don't have permission to access PM
And i don't understand how i can enable it.
May be simple denzil {at} au.ru ?

 

ofcourse, xp is much faster than vista. Its just not so heavy.


My point is, in the past there was a poor driver support for xp 64... i just didnt like it from the start , but thats a personal thing.

Vista is working quite well for me, works more pleasant and handles more smoothly than xp. Now the most problems with my 8510p running vista are gone, i'm quite enjoying vista ! )
The fan problem is one of the last things , but in xp its not much better

So that's my opinion, but ok xp64 is the way to go :roll: !

 

XP64 was always the way to go for workstations

 

Notebook never will be a workstation!
Check out the power supply! 90w vs. 600w - it's a big different!

XP64 it's a way to increase a usefull memory. Not a big.

 

Schoko!
It's beautifull!!!
I have been installed your drivers and a different in order of count!!!

Tomorrow i'll check a HDMI output - in a previos version drivers was a trouble with TV output... However in your's drivers i found a foulder "HDAudioDRV" - i've spend about a mounth to find it!

Thanks a lot!!!

 

LOL
Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workstation#What_makes_a_workstation.3F

Id rather have a workstation that consumes much less energy. Anyway it is not about power consumption but about performance

 

my scores of viewperf 10 with latest firegl-modded v5600
os xp 32bit

3dsmax-04 32.86
catia-02 31.80
ensight-03 22.82
maya-02 107.88
proe-04 31.42
sw-01 66.72
tcvis-01 20.67
ugnx-01 18.12

 

Here's my scores of Viewperf 10.0 atfer modding:
WinXp Sp3 32 bit, no any overclocking.

3dsmax-04 30.64
catia-02 29.48
ensight-03 21.90
maya-02 105.92
proe-04 29.26
sw-01 63.97
tcvis-01 20.43
ugnx-01 18.10

Thanks again!

 

Well, seems the both of you got it working !

@ denzil

how about the hdmi sound is it working properly too ?

 

@ schoko

Sorry, i was too busy...
Yes, HDMI and and digital sound working fine! Overlay on 1080p works without any dropping frames (on TV)!

PS: MotionBuilder 7.5 has a incredible perfomance! I'm very happy! Thanks again!

PPS: My favorite game King's Bounty not working anymore... But this problem have a lot of notebook users.

 

I thought I would throw in my 2 cents. I have an 8510w with the FireGL 5600. I was experiencing BSODs and VPU resets under Vista Business 64 bit. HP sent out a replacement board and installed it; my FireGL reverted back to the Radeon 2600. When I escalated they sent out a replacement motherboard and graphics card. It still reads as a Radeon card. To make matters worse the original problem is still there. They are sending me out the nvidia card to see if it resolves the issue. I guess I should have saved my money and gotten the 8510p. I wanted to thank everyone,as I read through the post at least I now know what happened.

 

Seems like they have send you the wrong Motherboard, or at least the one with wrong bios.

But thanks for this info, it proved us that HP is actually using the same card, same architecture, same memory on it on their 8510w What means, buying 8510p and driver modding it to V5600 saved us monies
Thank You shoko!

Argentis, could you have a look on the gfx that they will replace (one you have in you laptop) it with nvidia, and possibly take a picture of memory chips on it, when the repair guy is going to be replacing it?

 

Hi all,

Schoko, Can i have also your driver link please ? I'm having issue with my 8510p and HD2600. It'll will help me i guess. Thx in advance.

 

Destiny-
I would have thought so but there are only 2 motherboards listed in the service manual for the 8510 p/w. One has WWAN and one does not, that is supposedly the only difference. I'm sick of dealing with it so I demanded the nvidia. I will be happy to post pics when it comes in (it is currently backordered). Did you want pictures of the ATI card or nvidia?

 

I would like the pics of ATi Card. They should have different mobos since its the bios on the mobo that determines what card have you got (bios on the mobo also holds gfx card bios). Every time I had a repair connected with mobo they had to do some flashing etc using old diskette. Maybe they have forgotten to do it with yours?

 

the flashing thing they are doing should be what is known as the HP "tattooing"

the software for tattooing is hard to get, since the repair guys would not want to give that one away. when i hear your story i come to think that the determination of the mainboard ( whether it is a W or P ) can be done by the repair guys.

 

well kris, what os are you running ?

 

Hello Schoko, could you send me the latest FireGl driver link you've done. I am running Win XP Pro SP3 (32 bits) and my Fire GL driver for ATI HD 2600 is 8.440.0.0 (You gave it to me few months ago).

The actual driver works well but I've read that you new version goes much faster.

I write here all informations that my CCC gives :

Version du package du pilote 8.44-071116a1-056527C-ATI
Fournisseur ATI Technologies Inc.
Version du pilote*2D 6.14.10.6755
Chemin du fichier du pilote*2D System/CurrentControlSet/Control/Video/{0A4E8C90-4403-4D11-A4B0-09DC2D783900}/0000
Version de Direct3D 6.14.10.0549
Version de OpenGL 6.14.10.7165
Version de Catalyst® Control Center 2008.0129.2204.39391
Version du pilote AIW/VIVO WDM 6.14.10.6238
Version du pilote AIW/VIVO WDM SP 6.14.10.6238

Thanks a lot.

Bye

 

@ frankym

send you a pm with the latest driver.

 

First time I had a repair, they delivered a wrong mobo. It was blue. All my next ones were green. Im not sure if the blue would fit (i think it might have been from the 8710 series. Would the bios be intelligent enough to recognize the gfx by the serial number of computer?
Maybe there are common numbers/letters etc.?

 

well, there seem to be some codes. have read a little in a bios modding forum and there are some people that at least seem to know more about it.

i obtained an image for creating a bootable cd with the tattoing software. but for now i rather not screw around with my laptop. i still have 2 1/2 years of warranty left....

 

Hehehe...
Can you disassemble the executable to see what does the software actually do??