Hp 8510 P - upgrade from hd2600 to firegl v 5600

haven´t tested the software so far, but from what i have read it will let you change code on hardware level eg like the device id´s and subsys id´of the mainboard.

probably won´t have time in the next 2 -3 weeks to do the testing, cause i´m working on a website and have to do some work for my own architectural study.

after that i will take a closer look at the capabilities of the software.

 

Thanks schoko, the new driver has been installed and seems to work very well.

 

schoko , had a major crash with no backups , had to reload from xp disk , now when i try to install schoko drivers i get no recognized device ?? what am i doing wrong ?

thanks

 

how about the graphics cards device id ? is it still 9581 ? if you have installed the system default settings for the 8510w and installed another grahics driver the system id´s the card as 9583.

if that is the case, the solution is simple. just uninstall the graphics card driver, reboot with standard vga 8( the device id is then listed as 9581 again) and install the driver again.

could you check with everest which device id your card is showing ?

 

well now it worked , all is well 5600 is back in . thanks

at work now , will check later . thanks . it is 8510-p if there is difference . here is info
Property Value
Display Adapter ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600
Video Processor ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9581)
Video memory size 256 MBytes
Adapter DAC Type Internal DAC(400MHz)
BIOS Date 01/29/08
Display Drivers ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version 6.14.10.6764
Driver Date 2008-03-28 05:10:54
Inf File Name oem31.inf
Inf Section ati2mtag_M76


Name ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600
Chip Type ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9581)
DAC Type Internal DAC(400MHz)
Memory 256 MBytes

 

ooo, this all sounds pretty interesting! Is there any chance I could have a link to the latest drivers???

Many thanks in return!

 

of course you can have it, but you need to tell us if you run xp 32 or xp 64.

 

Hi, Schoko!

Could you send me a link for this modded driver? I'm fighting with Toshiba A200-1XW model, and this Ati headache...

 

well, you guys need to tell me the "bitness" of your XP OS !!!

is it xp 32 or xp 64

@ maxik

what is the device id of your graphics card ? it needs to be 0x9581 ! i have only patched this device id to force the driver into pro opengl capabilities.

you need to check the device id with everest from lavalys.

 

I don't have this laptop nearby for the time being, but could this Radeon HD 2600 have different "device id" cause it's installed inside Toshiba, and not HP 8510p? Aha, it's plain, 32bit XP And the trouble is this infamous 'endless loop' BSOD just after logon.

I wonder, could you put patcher with unmodified driver together? ...

 

well, when you have the laptop around take a look at the device id.

you will find it by rightclicking to the desktop -> properties -> settings -> advanced -> adapter

there should be the device id of your card listed ... should look like this :
chip : ati hd2600 mobility (0x9581)

it is required to carry the correct id.
will need to patch the driver if you have another device id.

so please check that first.

 

HD2600 in Toshiba has completly different id as first of all it might be only DDR2 version, and HP has it's branded cards so there might be a different id because of that as well.

 

Finally!
I'm done with my master-thesis "concept development of emergency vehicles" And I'm ready to tackle the world of Vista FireGL mods!

As I see it the only snag is the signing, right?

I've read a few tuts online so I think I can manage to crank out a set of drivers..

All I need to know is what modification is needed in the drivers?

Is it as simple as switching the deviceID in the .ini-file? As I recall from the discussion the driver from HP is already patched, right?

Hit me back and I'll see what i can do!

@ everyone:
congrats with your new 8510w
good to see so many posting scores.

@ schoko & Destiny
Great to see you guys holding the fort!

As I am officially done, anyone interested in the drivers can find them here:

Win XP32 (original):
http://folk.ntnu.no/tarlebo/FireGL_schoko.rar

Win XP32 (8.452):
http://folk.ntnu.no/tarlebo/FireGL_schoko_new.rar.rar

enjoy.

 

okay , so what drivers are these ? are these the same as schoko drivers , or are these new modified btyyou ?

 

These are schoko ones...

 

So just to confirm, these drivers aren't for gaming, but are great for CAD and OpenGL? And not Directx, correct?

 

no, that might be a misconception.

the drivers do of course work for games also. usually the development of the firegl drivers takes a little longer, so when they release a firegl driver the directx part of the driver is like 2 or 3 month old. in the case of the 8.453.1 driver ( released may / 2008 ) they did use the directx driver from cat 8.2 ( feb / 2008).

anyway, the drivers are meant for working, and for those who really work with opengl applications, gaming is a secondary goal.

 

OK, gotcha. I'm not a gamer, but if I have a nice GPU, I will definitely try FSX. I will be working with CATIA soon, so I can't wait to see the performance boost. Thanks for all of your effort.

 

here are a whole bunch of mobility>firegl mods , seems they are getting good results withdesktop and mobile cards

http://forums.overclockersclub.com/?showtopic=78930

 

jep, i have seen some sites promoting the link

the user hornybluecow @ overclockersclub does not seem to link to the origin of his knowledge, nor does he give credit to the people that originated the patching and update the patchscripts

for those that are interested check out the rivatuner forum at guru3d.
all the knowledge about the patch and the origin is there.

 

does it work as well on other cards as the Schoko drivers work on the 2600>5600 ? i have a few comps that have ati cards , sapphire 3470 , sapphire 1650 pro and diamondvision hd 2600 ,do you think i should try it ?

 

yep, just do that. the patchscript is working for all the cards you listed. you just need to know the device id of the card you own and insert that device id in the patchscript as i described in the forum.

then you would fill i your device id in the install options of a compatible firegl card ( eg rv630 -> v5600) in the drivers.inf

there are some other little things to do to make the installer work, but when you have managed to complete the first two steps ( patching / modifying the driver.inf) you can install the driver via the have disk method.

 

sounds do-able , maybe . thanks .

 

Just for clearance:
The HP drivers are already patched, right?

I'd just have to change the deviceId in the inf to get the mod to work?

At least it will probably open up RealView in SolidWorks..

I'm going to try out the signing bit as soon as I have everything backed up.

 

no, you will have to patch the drivers yourself.

i have posted the patchscripts for xp32 and xp 64 at guru3d a while ago :

xp 64 -> http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=261154

xp 32 -> http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=261172

and in this thread you will find out how to add other cards than the ones i have originally supported -> http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=255976&page=4

to do the patching you will have to do some steps :

1. edit the patchscript to support your card. you will need to enter your device id in the script as it is described in the last link i posted.
2. patch the ati2mtag.sys from the supported driver 8.453.1 and 8.453.3
3. edit the driver.inf usually you would use the installation of a similar card e.g. rv 630 ( hd2600 = firegl v3600 and firegl v 5600 ) replace the device id of the v 5600 with the one of your card.

after that you can use the modified driver.

 

ok, so no progress on patchscripts for vista 64 yet?

I thought the main obstacle was the driver signing, but I guess the patchscripts for Vista drivers are different from the patchscripts for XP-drivers, right?

Anyway, I'll give the .inf file a try (modify then sign) to see if I can change the devicename (and hopefully unlock RealView).

.naka

 

the driver signing is one obstacle.

but the main problem is that the vista driver is a little different from the xp drivers. it is as a fellow in this matter once said : the driver contains quite some trapdoors.

btw you can not use the xp patchcripts for vista, since the codepieces that need to be patched are different than the one´s used in the script.

 

Schoko , I'm having a video problem . with google earth the picture of the earth stays in one sopt , if i mve the window the map stays where it is and another map opens in the windiow so i get a bunch of maps all over the place . plus everything opens under the map and i never see them . wtf . is this a corrupt driver problem ?

 

there seems to be a solution to the driver signing. microsoft themselves give a way their driver signing tools in the windows driver kit.

here it is explained how to obtain the driver kit and to sign the drivers yourself :

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33920573



Finding the driver signing executables

Now we need to gather the tools we need. We want to use the following executables and files:

Code:

capicom.dll
certmgr.exe
makecert.exe
signtool.exe

which are located in the following directory:

Code:

C:\WinDDK\6000\bin\SelfSign

Where C: is the local drive you installed to (default is system partition, usually C.

Yes, we download a 2.7Gb ISO and installed a 1.7Gb set of applications, to get access to 700Kb of files. If anyone knows how to get the executables and libraries directly from the image, please let me know.

Copy the files to a temporary work location, such as C:\driversign\ (create the folder if it doesn't exist).

Create a Certificate:

The first thing we need is a certificate. This is a test certificate, as you yourself are declaring the authenticity of the files you sign. Thus, only sign drivers you trust, and don't use anyone else's test certificate. To create your certificate, open a command window, as an administrator, change directory to your temporary work location and enter the following commands:

Code:

> makecert.exe -$ individual  -r -pe -ss "Caveman Certificate Store" -n CN="Caveman Certificate" "Caveman Certificate.cer"
> certmgr.exe /add "Caveman Certificate.cer" /s /r localMachine root

These two commands create the certificate and add it to the local store. You can examine, add, or delete the certificate through the Certificate snap-in, which you may either add to an MMC instance or run via

Code:

> %WINDIR%\system32\certmgr.msc

Obviously, you may substitute your own name for mine. Leave the command window open, we're going to use it again shortly.

Now we need to gather the driver files we want to sign. For example, if I am going to use VMware Server 1.0.5, I run the download and run the installer executable. I Followed the prompts until the red banded Driver Signing alerts appeared - which took some time, as Windows tries to verify the drivers itself before throwing an alert back to the user. Be patient, and ignore any warning messages that appear indicating that the Windows Installer has encountered a problem or failed. Once the Driver Signing alerts appear, navigate to the install directory, and find the driver files - all the .sys extension files. Copy these to the temporary work location you created earlier. Now, accept the driver signing warnings, and complete the installation of the software. Don't try and run it yet.

Signing The Drivers:

For each driver listed in the temporary work location, run the signtool executable as follows:

Code:

signtool.exe sign /v /s "Caveman Certificate Store" /n "Caveman Certificate" drivername.sys

If you've entered the command correctly, you will see a success report. If there was a failure, recheck your spelling and syntax and try again.

Now verify the validity, by running the signtool executable again:

Code:

signtool.exe verify /pa /v drivername.sys

Once you've completed your signing, copy the .sys. files back in to two locations - the original program files location, and the Windows System32 folder. Overwrite any existing files.

Test Sign Mode:

Finally we need to allow Test Signed drivers to be allowed to load in to the Kernel. To do this we need to edit start up options, using BCDedit:

Code:

bcdedit.exe /set TESTSIGNING ON

This is the only 'ugly' part of the process - from now on your desktop will display 'Test Mode' in all four corners, just as Windows does when you boot into Safe mode. At first I found it jarring, but after a while I don't even notice it. The benefits of running the software I want, how I want, outweigh the disadvantages for me.

Note that if the drivers you are attempting to install are not compatible with 64bit systems, this process will not help.

Reboot and Test:

Now reboot your system. If all is well, then you should see the Test Mode alerts in all four corners of the screen. Check the Windows Event logs for failed driver loads. If there are any, find them and sign them, copy them to where they need to be and reboot. Rinse and repeat as needed.

 

Thank you Schoko!

Terrible about the trapdoors in the driver though.

This is a question to all of you:

the last month I've seen some strange BSOD's on my 8510p when running Vista64 (HP drivers) and later also on XP 32 (schoko drivers)

Problems started about a month ago, and are particulary prone to happen when running TrackMania Nations Forever.

The problems are symptomatic with an overheating issue. The front left part gets hot, and when blowing into the CardBus slot very hot air is expelled.

Another thing I have noticed is that the fan doesn't seem as noisy as earlier, but this is subjective.

The BSOD reads something like:

Code:

IRQL less than or equal.

And then a lot of hex codes, a note that the computer has been shut down to prevent hardware malfunction and a counter from 0 to 100% showing progress of memory dump.

Anyone else having these issues?

I've also tried switching to OCZ Freeze thermal compound without luck.

Due to the heat buildup in the front left part of the computer I am suspecting the northbridge cooling to be faulty, leaving the heat to dissipate through the motherboard.

An alternative is that the fan does not reach full potential or that the internal airflow is somehow obstructed.

Anyone please advice.

Best regards,
.naka

 

front left , to the left of the trackpad ? that's where mine heats up i thought the hd was there ? only gets hot running wcg boinc , but never used to , only the last month or so .

 

here is some background information on your stop0x00000009 or 0x0000000A error

Code:

0x00000009 or 0x0000000A: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

It indicates an attempt was made to touch pageable memory at
a process IRQL (interrupt request level) that is too high. This is
usually caused by drivers using incorrect addresses. The fourth
parameter in the message parameter list is the memory address
at which the fault happened. The second parameter shows the IRQL.
 If the IRQL was not equal to 2, then the interrupt most likely came
from a driver. Compare the memory address in the fourth parameter
with the base addresses of the drivers in the driver table on the STOP
 screen to find the driver that is the problem. Note that the third
parameter encodes read/write access (0 = read, 1= write).

Typically due to a bad driver, or faulty or incompatible hardware or
software. Use the General Troubleshooting of STOP Messages checklist
above. Technically, this error condition means that a kernel-mode
process or driver tried to access a memory location to which it did not
have permission, or at a kernel Interrupt ReQuest Level (IRQL) that was
too high. (A kernel-mode process can access only other processes that
have an IRQL lower than, or equal to, its own.)

there could be several problems with your laptop, and maybe you should start checking the following :

1. run memtest to see if the ram is faulty.

2. open the laptop to see if the airflow is obstructed. there are two screws at the back of the laptop with a keyboard symbol on it and four pins between the f-keys.pull them back. when you have done that you can lift the keyboard, but be careful, since the keyboard cable is not very long.

3. try if one of the drivers is causing that. you could post the error report here, maybe we´ll find some hint in there.

 

Left front is always hot as that is where the PC card slot is.
If you changed your thermal paste, are you sure you have put everything right? Is any other component getting hot (check with HW Monitor)?

Does it crash instantly after starting that software?
What changes to the system or other stuff have you made when it started??

 

@ schoko..
I am running 4GB of OCZ memory. Could this be running hotter than the stock modules? Have you had any problems?

@ Destiny:
The problems started a month before I changed the paste. I thought it would help, but it looks like the problem is elsewhere.

I think Schoko is right about the ram. I've had this problem only once in XP32 and that was immediately after failure in Vista 64.

Maybe my modules are faulty in a way that causes tham to crash when hot. Memtest did not reveal anything.

I've tried to reseat the modules and swap them, but no luck. I guess I have to pull one out, run the game till crash, put in the other module, do the same and see if there is a difference.

thanks for your replies, guys!

.naka

 

hmm, from the screen you have posted the the error message reads a little different from what i thought would be the problem.

your message is : driver_irq_not_less_or_equal : and that seems to show the culprit. doesn´t look like it´s hardware based, but more a software problem. could be drivers, or a bad software for drivers.

so you should think about what drivers have you updated recently, and what software have you installed a month ago.

maybe this will bring the solution to your problem. i don´t think you will have any problems with the ram.

 

Hmmm, I think you are right..

The funny thing is that the error message doesn't say which file is responsible.

It usually reads sometthing like:

Code:

STOP 0x000000D1 (0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000) drivername.sys

where "drivername.sys" is the driver making the faulty call.

On the other hand, these errors started popping up immediately after i upgraded video-driver from 8.383 (HP) to 8.391 (HP).

I have tried uninstalling completely and rolling back to 8.383. Stability seemed better at first, but worsened.

Another strange thing: once, immediately after crashing in vista, I got the same error in Win XP, which is usually stable as rock!
This is what leads me to believe that one (or both) of the memory modules may be faulty.

It may be as simple as bad memory handling in Trackmania as well. I have not once experienced this error with GRAW2.

Ill look around and see what I can find.

Thank you for your help!

.naka

 

Run 3d marks or other stressing app to see if it is going to happen as well. No o/c of gpu I guess??

 

Ive run 3D Mark 06, GRAW2, all seems fine, but not TM Nations Forever..

But then again, it might be something related to OpenGL games, and not Direct3D..

No overclock, no..

 

This is what i've found:
TM Nations Forever is seeing some problems with certain drivers, especially on Vista. Therefore I conclude with the problem being the software.

I'll keep stresstesting in other software. A minor problem, but good to know my 8510 is not at fault. I guess I'll have to wait for an updated GPU-driver and try again.

A BIG thank you to everyone who have helped so far, especially Schoko.

.naka

 

OK i've got a problem.

I installed the latest shoko-driver a month ago on xp32. I ran specviewperf 10 and everything seemed to be allright. gpu-z confirms that i have a v5600.

But today i started working in xp32 (first time in a month)(normally i use vista for non CAD), for some cad-assignments.

In autocad 2008 it will run just smoothly enough to work in opengl mode, but in directX mode it all runs much smoother.... isn't that strange?
The viewport also hangs, and ultimatly the app hangs... very annoying...


In 3ds max i also work in opengl-mode. Viewport lighting won't work, i opened a large scene; panning around in 3d shocked like hell ==> i changed to directx mode, everything goes almost smoothly.

i just installed the newest driver, device id is 9581....

do i have to do something, because its strange => specviewperf 10 gives perfect scores....

thx in advance!!!

 

Hello Schoko,

I have an hp 8510p with the ati mobility hd2600, and i would like to use it to run Archicad 12 which uses opengl in 3d mode, and with standard HP drivers (or even modded ati catalyst drivers) is a bit sluggish... When i rotate it it is quite slow...

I would like to have your driver for win xp32bit so i can use my hd2600 as an ati firegl5600.

So could you send me the link please?

And some quick instructions how to install it would be great. Thanks in advance!

bye

Exec

Edit:
ps.: for some reason i cant seem to be able to send PM-s (possibly cant receive them either)... can it be because i just registered? anyway you can send an email to [email protected]

thanks

Edit #2.: Now i can receive and send PM-s!

 

bump for realexecutor if he hasn't already got the drivers.

On another note. Just got the software list for my 1st year Eng course today, Intellicad (cadopia 5) and Pro/Eng Wildfire 4.0 are the 2 CAD apps in the list (the other 2 are Matlab and Maple). When I get the money to buy them, I'll test them out with your drivers. Tomorrow morning I'll install the drivers and run some OpenGL bench marks i've downloaded today.

 

@ realexecutor

haven´t noticed your post till now.... you have a pm now

@ johnnyt

to see the difference this driver makes compared to the catalyst driver you should run the opengl benchmarks with the standard driver and compare to the results of the modded firegl driver.

pro engineer will definetly have a big performance boost with the driver. intellicad and maple i have never heard of before, so í´m not so sure about those programs. to find out what these programs use for viewport display you would need to dig a little at the vendors manuals.

have fun testing your 8510w

 

Hello Schoko,

I would like to try your driver for win xp32bit on my HP 8510p.
I am using AutoCAD daily, but i can test other apps if you still need it...

Tnx in advance...

 

intellicad is basically like AutoCAD as I have been told. Just like a cheapo version of it.

I just ran some basic bench marks, more to come when I have some more time to night.

__________________________________

Stock 500/600 – All @ 1280x1024 XP Sp 3

Furmark (windowed) MSAA: 0X
759 o3Marks
FPS min7 / Max17 / Avg 13

SPECviewerf10
Pro/E
# test weight frames/sec
1 13.50 5.530
2 13.50 6.520
3 13.50 6.420
4 16.00 17.40
5 16.50 17.50
6 13.50 18.10
7 13.50 10.40
* Composite Score : 10.71



Cine bench OpenGL test (800x600)
4170

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - -- -

Furmark (windowed) MSAA: 0X
760 o3Marks
FPS min7 / Max19 / Avg 13


SPECviewerf10
Pro/E


# test weight frames/sec
1 13.50 29.90
2 13.50 37.40
3 13.50 22.50
4 16.00 33.60
5 16.50 33.60
6 13.50 63.30
7 13.50 16.30
* Composite Score : 31.40

Cine bench OpenGL test (800x600)
4735


I almost cried when I saw the furmark and Cinebench OpenGl test marks. Then when I saw the Pro/E results I have a big grin on my face...

I would be very interested to see the Quadro FX570m bench marks.

 

ooly proob i have with Schoko drivers is with google earth . the map does freezes in one place and all hints open below and cannot be seen .that and when minimized the map if moved stays in place and another mapstays in window giving me multi maps and pro freezes .
is there a fix or is this just a local prob on my setup ?
thanks

 

Yeah i got the drivers from Schoko, thanks again. I will report back if it did make a difference in archicad.

 

Just just tried Google earth in OpenGl mode with schoko's drivers worked fine for me. Disney wolrd looked nice in 3d. alittle slow though with all those buildings. Still, far faster than in dx mode.

I am gona ask in the Lenovo forum for some OpenGl bench marks from the T61p owners.

 

thanks . I'll try uninstalling , clean out all crap and re install . see how it goes

 

OC'd 6210/720 (core/mem)

Specviewperf 10.0 [Pro/E]

# test weight frames/sec
1 13.50 30.60
2 13.50 37.40
3 13.50 27.70
4 16.00 33.60
5 16.50 33.60
6 13.50 63.20
7 13.50 16.30
* Composite Score : 32.39

Marginal improvements with OC. Maybe the card is hitting its limits?

EDIT: it scores 5177 in the cinebench OpenGL bench mark. I am confused?