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    NOW AVAILABLE/ANNOUNCED: HP ZBook 14 / 15 / 17

    Discussion in 'HP Business Class Notebooks' started by justinkw1, Sep 12, 2013.

  1. justinkw1

    justinkw1 Notebook Virtuoso

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    HP has announced a new set of mobile workstation products, complete with Intel 4th Generation Core processors and Thunderbolt technology.

    The ZBook 15 and ZBook 17 are now available for purchase at HP. The ZBook 14 will be available October 2013.

    READ IT HERE AT NBR:
    HP Adds New ZBooks & First Workstation Ultrabook

    NBR ARTICLE DISCUSSION:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/not...s-first-workstation-ultrabook-discussion.html

    OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE:
    HP News -HP Expands Z Workstation Portfolio, Unveils World

    HP ZBook 14


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    HP ZBook 15


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    HP ZBook 17


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    Feel free to discuss about these new notebooks here.
     
    justinkw1, Sep 12, 2013
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  2. Nevermore0

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    The 14 looks great, but judging by the prices of the other two, it's gonna be crazy expensive.
     
    Nevermore0, Sep 12, 2013
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    KLF NBR Super Modernator Super Moderator

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    I would really, really, really like three buttons also on the smaller laptops.

    Dock connector, is it compatible with the previous gen. Elitebook docks?
     
    KLF, Sep 12, 2013
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  4. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    they look like the old pavilions
     
    Karamazovmm, Sep 12, 2013
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  5. tijo

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    The dock connector for the 15" and 17" is backwards compatible for sure.
     
    tijo, Sep 12, 2013
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    I predict an early price reduction, I just don't think they are priced right relative to what they are replacing. The intro level GPU is pathetic, and with no Firepro option on the 15 and 17, you really need to step it up at least one notch which is never fun with Quadro pricing.

    I am a bit surprised to see HP first to market with mobile workstations, though of course who knows how long until the first orders start shipping.

    For others interested in Dell, the new Firepro cards are up on AMDs website (as of a few hours ago). Not very impressed, but not surprised either.

    For now I'm hoping for Dell to get their units flowing in time to have something in the Outlet for Black Friday. Otherwise maybe I'll just go for a Sager.
     
    knight427, Sep 12, 2013
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  7. scrlk

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    I agree with the above post, the base GPU is frankly crap for the price you are paying.

    Any news on Haswell Elitebooks? I'm waiting to purchase a new laptop, it will either be an Elitebook or Latitude depending which one is first to market with the best specs and prices.
     
    scrlk, Sep 13, 2013
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  8. blindzior

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    Are they even going to introduce 4th gen Intel on Elitebook 8570/8770? I doubt it.
     
    blindzior, Sep 13, 2013
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    Are the Zbooks replacing Elitebooks?
     
    Pecka-, Sep 13, 2013
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    Yes, seems they are, that's why the question about 8770w. It will probably be discontinued?
     
    blindzior, Sep 13, 2013
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    You think non-workstation models get Dreamcolor also?
     
    Pecka-, Sep 13, 2013
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    anti-glare touch? What does that mean? It's probably typical glossy touch screen but I must be reading it incorrectly.
     
    gdansk, Sep 13, 2013
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  13. Sotton

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    touch screen with anti-glare coating, I guess
     
    Sotton, Sep 13, 2013
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    nicolaim, Sep 15, 2013
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  15. FoxWhere

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    I really regret the path HP took with these ZBooks. Apple with their their Macbook Pro showed us all how it was supposed to be done for real. Macbook is sleek, exclusively built and a power performer. If HP could have thrown out the optical drive, make it thinner while making it upgradable more than the Macbook, they would have such an awesome winner.

    This new laptop, is fat, it looks like their consumer version like those fat ugly Alienware gaming laptops, the only thing that is missing are those Christmas tree LEDs.

    Also Zbooks are likely to be shipped with Windows 8 which is a no no for many workstation users. If you get a free Windows 7 option, it can be excused. If not I think I will move over to Mac actually.
     
    FoxWhere, Sep 15, 2013
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  16. nicolaim

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    The 14 will start at EUR 1299 (before tax) in Europe.

    There will be a new dock with "dual digital outputs" in October.

    Supposed to be on sale October 28.
     
    nicolaim, Sep 16, 2013
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  17. bookwurm

    bookwurm Notebook Enthusiast

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    The data sheet for the Z Book 14 says:
    Intel® Core™ i7-4600U with Intel HD Graphics 4400 (2.1 GHz, 4 MB cache, 2 cores)
    Intel® Core™ i5-4300U with Intel HD Graphics 4400 (1.9 GHz, 3 MB cache, 2 cores)
    Intel® Core™ i5-4200U with Intel HD Graphics 4400 (1.6 GHz, 3 MB cache, 2 cores)
    Intel® Core™ i5 with vPro technology (select models)
    Intel® Core™ i7 with vPro technology (select models).

    Does this mean that some versions will be available with 4???MQ/HQ cpus, instead of 4???U processors?
    I'm not interested in 4???U...
     
    bookwurm, Sep 16, 2013
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  18. KLF

    KLF NBR Super Modernator Super Moderator

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    My wild guess is that all of them come with Win8 Pro with Win7 downgrade rights (maybe even with 7 & 8 install discs).

    With thickness comes proper cooling: workstation can work long periods under heavy stress.
     
    KLF, Sep 17, 2013
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  19. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    couple that with a ULV cpu and call it a workstation.

    the design is really atrocious, their idea of going back to the pavilions of old is sure one way to not move forward
     
    Karamazovmm, Sep 17, 2013
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  20. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Wow, what a joke! My 2570p's 3840QM is 3x more powerful than those new ulv's. And we call this a progress.....
     
    Aikimox, Sep 17, 2013
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  21. necrophyte

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    so did they really ditch the military standard (MIL-STD-810G) for these zbooks now? as i cannot see it anywhere anymore, just "durability" without mentioning any certifications/standards.

    though judging from the looks, it seems they dont meet these standards anymore...

    i really liked the elitebooks' sturdy build and looks, they indicated this was no consumer crapbook, but a real piece of quality meant to perform exceptionally, which they did.

    a pity..

    but major kudos to the business notebooks development team to introduce thunderbolt and QHD! this is what ive been suggesting for years already, also to the consumer envy line (which they merged with the crappy pavillion line, hence killing it) to compete against apple and leave any other vedor far behind in this segment.
     
    necrophyte, Sep 18, 2013
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  22. wii

    wii IPS Rules

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    Just one question, does the HP ZBook 14 have an IPS screen option? It does look that way, but I need it confirmed before even considering it:

    • 14-inch diagonal LED-backlit HD SVA eDP anti-glare (1366 x 768)
    • 14-inch diagonal LED-backlit HD+ SVA eDP anti-glare (1600 x 900)
    • 14-inch diagonal LED-backlit HD+ SVA eDP anti-glare touch (1600 x 900)
    • 14-inch diagonal LED-backlit FHD UWVA eDP anti-glare + PSR
      [*](1920 x 1080)

    http://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/GetPDF.aspx/4AA4-8355ENW
     
    wii, Sep 18, 2013
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  23. davidricardo86

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    Ultra Wide Viewing Angles?

    The heck is PSR?

    Sent from my XT557 using Tapatalk 2
     
    davidricardo86, Sep 18, 2013
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  24. wii

    wii IPS Rules

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    Exactly my question, but knowing HP and their specs, UWVA is an IPS screen, this is really good news :)
     
    wii, Sep 18, 2013
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  25. KLF

    KLF NBR Super Modernator Super Moderator

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    I did some creative googling...

    First I found this: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/14721_div/14721_div.PDF
    "eDP 1.3+PSR (2 lane)"
    That led me to this: "eDP v1.3 LCD Timing Controller Family with PSR (Panel Self Refresh) Support"
    Then I found this: AnandTech | Understanding Panel Self Refresh and this: AnandTech | LG's Shuriken Self Refreshing Panel Aims to Improve Notebook Battery Life by Up to an Hour

    In short: new panel with even lower energy consumption.
    When reviews come, we will see what's up with them.

    ULV combined with that new panel type, I'd say it's aimed for those users who don't need absolute power but much more running time than full power i7 provides.
     
    KLF, Sep 18, 2013
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  26. wii

    wii IPS Rules

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    Lower power and better screen is perfect for me, we all know how noisy HP can get, I want something nice and quiet with the build quality of the Elitebooks.
    I just mailed my account manager at HP about the screen.
     
    wii, Sep 18, 2013
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  27. hbootz

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    Interface: eDP 1.3+PSR (2 lane)
    LCD Mode: IPS/FFS/AHVA

    PSR= Panel Self Refresh

    Info from the HP Product Bulletin
     
    hbootz, Sep 18, 2013
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  28. wii

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    wii, Sep 18, 2013
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    I agree, that the reason behind this new trend is clear. However, I'm yet to see an ulv CPU that operates at much lower TDP compared to a full voltage quad when both are idle. You can tune the power settings to have it stay below 3W at all times and it would never struggle during normal operation due to 4 extra threads. I had a lowly dual core in my machine prior to upgrading to a 45w quad(and overclocking by 200mhz) and was getting the exact same 6hrs of battery life. I think that the reason why ultrabooks have an edge there is a combination of : reduced feature set and new screen technology. The CPU part plays a very small role here, IMHO. And another thing, vendors want you to believe that the ulv CPU is all you'll ever need but you might endup with an outdated system a year or 2 down the road and no way of upgrading anything as most components are soldered to the mobo...
     
    Aikimox, Sep 18, 2013
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  30. webdev511

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    Oh, the 15" for me.

    4900MQ CPU (that thing performs at desktop levels)
    480GB mSATA primary
    2x960GB SATA 1 in HDD bay the other in the optical bay.
    32GB DDR3

    Mobile Server Farm!
     
    webdev511, Sep 18, 2013
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    I agree with Indrek, but MIL-STD-810G certification seems to be the only nontrivial difference in the marketing of durability for business notebooks and top-tier consumer notebooks... (Note that I'm referring to the vendor's marketing, not hearsay and consumer opinion.) HP had to blur the lines further.

    Actually, I think I read that the new Z-Books are "MIL-STD-810G certified" somewhere. I can't remember where.
     
    Diaphanous, Sep 19, 2013
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  32. Aikimox

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    ^^ just says 115,000 hours of testing. I don't think they would miss the opportunity to mention MIL-STD810G. So my guess it's not certified.
     
    Aikimox, Sep 19, 2013
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    yes, it says:
     
    Aikimox, Sep 19, 2013
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  34. moviemarketing

    moviemarketing Milk Drinker

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    Isn't there supposed to be a model with 3200x1800 display resolution?
     
    moviemarketing, Sep 20, 2013
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  35. Sotton

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    the 15" model only
     
    Sotton, Sep 20, 2013
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    Check on HP PartSurfer, and you'll see they actually list an Intel 7235 802.11ac card as an option.

    Unfortunately, the 802.11ac card, the DreamColor displays, and the high-density (that's a nice concise term) display are all MIA at the moment.
     
    DanaGoyette, Sep 21, 2013
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  37. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Haha, right on! I also run a ton of VM's but so far can do everything on my 12.5 incher, which means extreme mobility and super handy when moving between datacenters and server rooms ;)
     
    Aikimox, Sep 21, 2013
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    would be nice if there was a 17 inch with a resolution display of 3200x1800. I guess if the 15 inch model has that display we can't be too far off though.
     
    notebook303, Sep 21, 2013
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  39. notebook303

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    Exactly how many brands does one company need anyway?
     
    notebook303, Sep 21, 2013
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  40. tc_myers

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    Hi guys,

    Long time listener, first time caller... I predominantly work on location as a cameraman/editor making show like this: 2013 Generation Snow Teaser which means i need a beefy mobile workstation that i can drag up mountains.

    I have previously owed an Elitebook 8710w and am currently using a 8740w, both high to max spec. I had been holding off upgrading to the 8770w knowing that maybe a 8780 (now i know it's the ZBook 17) would be around the corner with thunderbolt (in my opinion big oversight by Dell not to include it on it's M6800, though i am guessing it could be a licensing issue).

    I am based in Sydney and although inquiring with the AEC importers here, haven't heard anything about availability or shipping dates in Australia... Has anyone? How long does it usually take from the US announcement before it reaches foreign shores? And have any of you guys in the US placed an order yet?

    I wish i could say i was in a rush to get a hold of one before my next big project, but I'm really just hoping to have it in time for the release of BF4
    :wink:
     
    tc_myers, Sep 21, 2013
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  41. Sotton

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    Currently there is no manufacturer for 17 inch LCDs with higher resolution than 1920x1080 (1920x1200), maybe next year...
     
    Sotton, Sep 22, 2013
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    Yes, sadly there are a number of 13" and 11" laptops with these super high resolution displays greater than 1080p, and no 15" or 17" laptops with graphics cards capable of running games at those resolutions.
     
    moviemarketing, Sep 22, 2013
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    There may be an issue securing supply for the high resolution displays. Both HP and Dell are suffering from the same delays as most of the production capacity for these displays have been taken up by Apple for their retina Macbooks, especially with the refresh coming up. The HP and Dell orders are miniscule compared to to the volume of retina Macs sold.
     
    chrixx, Sep 23, 2013
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    Is Apple using LCD panels made by Sharp now?

    http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/130927.html
     
    Zero000, Sep 29, 2013
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  45. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    Karamazovmm, Sep 29, 2013
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    Isn't Apple still using 16:10? The Sharp panels are 16:9
     
    Sotton, Sep 30, 2013
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  47. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    yep they are still using 16:10, given the volume that apple sells and buys distributed along the years, they can ask them to make whichever panel they want
     
    Karamazovmm, Sep 30, 2013
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    User MiB posted the following in the Lenovo T440s thread:

    "HP just released their new corporate Elitebook 800 series ultrabooks today.

    The Elitebook 840 is a direct competitor to the T440s.

    HP seems to have left the trackpoint and trackpad buttons intact.

    16GB ram in 2 full SODIMM DUAL CHANNEL Memory slots (nothing soldered like the T440s)
    3-cell (50 WHr) HP Long Life Battery 12hrs
    6-cell (60 WHr) additional Slice Battery for up to 33hrs
    14" diagonal LED-backlit FHD anti-glare UWVA slim (1920 x 1080)
    AMD Radeon HD 8750M (1 GB GDDR5 dedicated)
    Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 802.11ac (2x2) WiFi and Bluetooth 4.0 Combo
    Core i7, i5, i3 CPUs with Intel vPro
    3 USB 3.0
    1 USB 3.0 charging
    1 DisplayPort
    1 VGA
    1 combo stereo headphone/mic jack
    1 AC power
    1 RJ-45
    1 docking connector
    1 secondary battery connector
    3.48lbs
    13.34 x 9.33 x 0.83 in
    Magnesium Alloy Graphite Black Chasis

    Full specs here

    Elitebook 840 infosheet here

    Lineup is already up for sale on HP's site

    pics courtesy of Hardware.Info

    More pics here"

    There's also a 15.6" model at 1.88 kg / 4.15 lbs.
     
    nicolaim, Oct 2, 2013
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  49. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    wow! hp is outdoing themselves! they just reused the G series design on the new elite books! to avoid confusion they are also called G!
     
    Karamazovmm, Oct 2, 2013
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    I must say i'm bit dissapointed that Elitebook 850 doesn't have numeric keyboard.
    It seems to me like a step back from prevoius generation. I love the thin design though.
     
    danko358, Oct 2, 2013
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