***ENVY 14 Gaming Lounge***

using this:
OrbLog Blog Archive GPU Observer – Sidebar Gadget

 

im lagging while playing custom games on battle.net on frozen throne. this never happened on my old laptop and im using in the same location with the same internet. what is the issue and how can i solve it?

 

Well, we might have an answer, guys.

If the DV6T and the Envy 14 both have the 5650 running at 0.90v, and the DV6T's is running at 550MHz, while the Envy 14's cannot hit 550MHz most of the time...

That would imply that ATI binned the chips that went into the Envy 14 at 450MHz, as they were not capable of running at 550MHz.

We really just might be out of luck, guys.

 

Unless you get enough complaints, but I doubt they'll replace everyone who complains with a new motherboard. It is kind of worrisome that they did reduce the GPU clock for their premium laptop though.

I just bet they had a target cost to meet, so had to skimp in a few areas. I also read somewhere (true or not I dunno) that the HP Intel SSD's have slightly degraded performance over the standard retail ones. You're talking 5% less, probably not even noticable. But maybe they got a deal from Intel for taking some slightly under spec drives. Not to mention the whine, which could happen from "less than spec" or bottom of acceptable spec capacitors, soldering, or whatever is making the noise.

 

If that is really the case, I might reconsider that Envy 15 again ;P
However, I think there needs to be a better way to check the voltages instead of just some sidebar gadget that may/may not be totally accurate.

 

I agree about the gadget, but I think I'll stick with my Envy 14.

It's not like 550MHz down to 450MHz makes games unplayable...

 

If my envy comes with a whine and/or can't play COD or CSS on high settings I'm defiantly returning it and getting something else.
If it doesn't come with a whine and is easily overclockable then I'm defiantly keeping it.

 

Counter Strike: Source is an old game (which was recently updated with the new Source Engine, so it now has multicore support), and I can run it on max on a computer that is around 5 years old. The Envy 14 should have absolutely no problem running CS:S.

From what I understand, Call of Duty 4 and Modern Warfare 2 actually aren't all that intensive, so I'd assume the Envy 14 could run it on high settings.

 

Hi guys,

I went ahead and hijacked the Voodoo blog to drum up some support for the GPU complaints. You can view my posts here:
The Plastiki Docks Down Undah - The Next Bench

I request that, if you also decide to post, you keep things very civil. We are essentially relying on the good will of the company to fix things for us.

Let's see if any good comes of this.

 

Hey guys, im trying to get 10.6 to work. I installed the 10.6 alpha drivers, and it went black like you guys said, so I waited 5 mins, then rebooted. Then I tried installing 10.6, but it still says I have incompatible hardware. Whats going on?

My driver version in my device manager says 8.740.0.0.

 

I hope this isn't true... Starting to feel like we all got scammed, a little.

 

I found this somewhere on the internet

But what is the hd5650 chip's name RV????

 

Good Quetion. According to Wikipedia it's just "Redwood".

 

If I'm not mistaken, with the HD 5000 series of cards ATI officially dropped the "RV" naming system.

 

yeah you can't get the inf from amd's website that way, annoyingly.


https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/920...mobile/10-6_mobility_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc.exe

that works though.

 

Here's the Customer Resolution phone number that I just pulled from the other thread: 888-227-8451

It may be helpful to start calling about the GPU problems. I imagine they'll just offer small partial refunds, but these costs will offer additional incentive for HP to provide a real fix.

 

You probably have a lower-grade CPU.

 

He guys, I've been following these forums since about Late June and I really enjoy peoples discussions here so I thought I get in them myself. I actually got my NV14 3 days ago but I really cant seem to find a decent crysis config, this notebook is powerful enough im sure for decent settings. Here are my settings:
-5650
-4 gig ram
-i5 430m ( i ordered it before it was taken off) :]
everything else is stock

I understand that there is a gaming lounge but in that thread people are talking about how the GPU is underclocked and stuff so i didn't want to change the discussion and take over the thread. So what configs are you bros using? Ive tried CCC but it doesnt help and the game looks like a psp game

Thanks a lot!!

 

Take it over, that's what its there for. Its good to rough things up a bit time and again!

 

wait, but this is the gaming lounge.

 

Haha alright then, the thing is I just didn't want to be messed up and hijack the thread even though its the gaming lounge. Crysis is really giving me a headache, iv been messing with the setting for 2 days and Im still not getting over 30 fps without it being on med...its gotta be better than that right?

 

I think medium is about as high as your going to get on Crysis with a 5650, notebookcheck ran some tests and the highest was 29 with an average of 27, and the Vaio with a similar i5-430 and 5650 build was running 23.7 fps on high. Hopefully somebody will prove me wrong as it would be awesome to play Crysis on high, but based of these results and the underclocked GPU, its not looking too good.
Notebookcheck: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650

 

Take also into account that the ati 5650 in the envy 14 is underclocked...more than 10%.

 

I have problem playing napoleon total war on high. I am getting 19fps.
This is a deal breaker for me. HP why did you give us sh...y 5650 cards!!!!
There is no way sc2 is going to run smooth on high.



Envy 14 5650=330M

 

Folks,

If you are dissatisfied with the sub-par performance of the Envy 14's GPU, I recommend notifying HP. They need to be aware this is not an isolated issue. Feel free to add your sentiments (be civil!) to this blog post or call the Customer Resolution Line:

Blog: The Plastiki Docks Down Undah - The Next Bench
Phone: (888)-227-8451

I believe the most likely outcome for us would be a software update for the voltage. Another possible outcome may be a hardware revision in the coming months that utilizes higher quality graphics units.

Let's give HP a chance to resolve things.

Thanks.

 

You fail to underestimate the power of the force... er... 2.0.

 

I guess even if the hardware is designed for 450MHz, a bump in voltage couldn't hurt, and probably let most everyone get to 550MHz without problem.

 

I don't know much about these 3DMark Scores -- I suppose the test holds the screen image to some default resolution. But I notice that the difference between 9000 and 6500 is almost exactly the difference between the number of pixels between the two machines.

So could it be that a large part of the 3dmark scores are because of different native resolutions?

Can anyone help me understand, functionally, what is the difference between 6500 and 9000? For example what difference would I notice in a certain game or in watching videos. (I suppose regular processing will not notice the differences).

Also -- can anyone tell me if the touchpad is OK? I went to the store and used this new type of touchpad on a DV6t, an ENVY 17, a DM4 and an ENVY 14. The pad on the DV6t was so hard to press it was basically unusable. The ENVY 17 and 14 were both also, somewhat hard, but tolerable. The DM4 was a dream. Are these touchpads variable in quality like that?

Also, I found that the cursor would jump and hop around and not be cooperative on the ENVY 14 or the DV6t. Is that fixed with driver upgrades?

 

That's true, I ran mine at 1280 x 768. If someone can change theirs (my copy of 3dmark06 is locked and my screen doesn't go higher anyways) and run it at that resolution then it might be a better comparison.

But the thing is, when I clocked the 5650 to the same as the OC'd Envy 5650, I got similar numbers. So it may not actually matter much.

 

lol oic ic it all of a sudden makes sense now

 

EVERYONE should write on that thread Xephon posted. Lets hope for a software update to up our voltage.

 

I've been messing around with Crysis CCC 2.21 and on Level 5 its gives me great performance ~25 FPS lowest and with motion blur Crysis is not too shabby.

 

Here is a link to the poll:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/503246-hp-envy-14-gpu-clock-undervoltage-poll.html

It would be very helpful to get as many votes as possible. I would like to be able to cite the results when writing to HP and some tech blogs.

 

a bios update should be able to increase clock speeds

 

Yeah, if you throw textures on high, most things on medium, and some unnoticeable options on low, you can get crysis to look real nice with frame rates over 30 fps

Done my part, hope we can get some results from this.

 

I'll say it again, only run 3DMark on the default settings!

There's absolutely no point in comparing scores if people are changing the resolution or settings. You'll get different scores.

 

Update:

I contacted a senior HP executive about the issue and just received a response. He forwarded my message to the notebook team and advised to "stay tuned."

I assume we'll have a response soon and will update with additional information as it becomes available. If you have not voted in the poll yet, please do so:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/503246-hp-envy-14-gpu-clock-undervoltage-poll.html

I included this link in the message; HP employees may take a look and would surely like to see a larger sample.

 

I'm curious to see what will come of it. I won't get my hopes up, but if HP actually does something (or gives a legitimate reason as to why it's clocked at 450MHz), I will be surprised.

 

Out of curiosity, what is the normal voltage 5650s are run at?


people throw out that the envy voltage is .90, what are non envy 14 5650s running at?

 

EVERYONE VOTE IN THE POLL!!!! http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/503246-hp-envy-14-gpu-clock-undervoltage-poll.html

 

Hopefully something will be done about this.

 

Standard is probably 1.0V with 550MHz. The 5650 in the Vaio E runs on 0.95V at 450MHz. The Envy is even lower at 0.9V and 450MHz. Interestingly the dv6tse runs on 0.9V at 550MHz, so it's not just voltage that's holding it back. Also, the 5650 is usually capable of a lot of overclocking, 650/1000 is pretty standard for the one in the ASUS 3820tg. But people haven't been having much success with the Envy 14 so there is something else wrong that we don't know about yet.

 

Done. Read my post. Hope it helps us all.

 

Sorry, just jumped board the discussion. So from what I've read so far, HP underclocked and undervolted the GPU to unbearably low levels. I presume HP may be doing this as a cheap fix for temp control?

 

No one really knows exactly why.

If you call clocking the 5650 at 450MHz instead of 550MHz "unbearably low levels," then I guess so.

 

I just posted in that Voodoo blog thing: The Plastiki Docks Down Undah - The Next Bench

I hope it'll help alleviate some of these problems with either a bios release, vbios fix, or other drivers necessary.

Anyhoo, I wonder how many people (besides review sites and users on these forums) actually bought the E14. It's not really that popular, since most people have only heard of MBP or Ipads, or are looking at Dells.

 

This brings me to the million dollar question of today: Will StarCraft 2 play fine at medium settings at this clock speed? Can I expect to get at least 60fps?

 

Hey guys, I'm not sure what changed, but all of a sudden MSI afterburner is letting the core clock slider go all the way up to 680MHz for my 5650. I'm running 10.3, i5-450, 4gb RAM. I'm really tempted to take advantage of this before it decides to change its mind again!

 

dude.

medium was in the 80s in phase 1 on medium. think I put shadows on low or something.

 

What's everyone else getting using MSI Afterburner?