ENVY 15-jXXX / ENVY 17-jXXX Notebooks (2013)

Thank you very much. Its defiantly coming soon then. Now i have a idea of what can be configured on the envy 14 much appreciated!

 

Sorry be so blunt, think I asked a similar questions before but there was no answer, so got a little more forth coming this time around.

Personally I placed my order way back on the 3rd of June, so at this stage getting pretty frustrated waiting, specially when the notebook was listed on a retail store website at the end of May, and I was considering the model at that time.

I have called HP in New Zealand and they are insisting that the 15-j00TX comes with a i7-4700MQ and 750M DDR3. The retail store I am buying from, is also listing the 15-j008TX as i7-4700MQ with 750M DDR3, along with every other retail store in the country!
Although when I look up the notebook product number E3A55PA at HP Parts Surfer, it show the processor in the "unknown keyword" section as a i7-4702MQ, which give me some hope that it will be the 37W, not that keen on a 47W processor in any mid range laptop, over heating reasons.

Even though HP and the retail store keep insisting the my 750M based model will come with i7-4700MQ, I would leaning towards your world wide configuration to be correct, and there are errors in the system, (e.g. like the GDDR5) and my model on order as above must have a mistake in it?

Really hoping this is the case. Not sure why no manager in New Zealand configured any of the New Zealand models with FHD displays. But I cannot even check the specs. I have called HP New Zealand numerous times, to get them to update the website and add the specs (lol there is a price, and no spec), but no one does anything about it. Are you able to send them an email since you are higher up the chain, rather than the call centre guys that are not getting the job done?
btw. The model I ordered 15-j008TX is not on the page below, which I can understand, but the model listed as the 15-j023TX is one the page below with no specs and I believe it come with a i7-4702MQ with 750M. The ironic thing is, the 15-j023TX model cost about $300 less than 15-j008TX and have the same specs with a larger hard drive. I don't understand, does one of them actually have a FHD panel or something, just doesn't make any sense?
HP ENVY TouchSmart 15-j000 Notebook PC series | HP® New Zealand

 

I'm assuming their is a mistake on the HP website

HP ENVY 17t-j000 Quad Edition Notebook PC | HP® Official Store

Intel 4000 HD

 

Yea I really do hope it is an error because the bragging rights per-se with the haswell processors is the fact that the IGP is updated and faster etc etc...after 2 hrs of talking to different dept at hp on 07-02-13, still didn't get a true clear answer, they basically just read off the screen what the computer included...so basically gonna have to wait til my 17t-j000 cto arrives and/or other owners can verify that it is in fact a 4600. And if it IS the updated IGP, then hp needs to update the specs list for future spec savvy buyers...

 

Hello all. I was thinking about getting either the 24GB mSSD Hard Drive Acceleration Cache or the Hybrid hard drive. I was going to order the laptop with Win 8 (not the Pro). I already have a license for Win 8 Pro and was planning on loading that myself with a fresh install. I understand the mSSD cache is set up in some sort of RAID setup with the hard drive. Would this make things difficult when I install another operating system like 8 Pro to keep this functionality in place?

Would the hybrid hard drive make this easier? Which of the 2 do you think would be better and why?

 

The haswell processors are not manufactured with the 4000, only the 4600.

 

The 750m delay is really frustrating. If it's not up by Monday after 4th of July I'm looking elsewhere

 

Stupid move by HP not to supply their customers with the best GPU right away. Highest spec hardware and parts always come first from almost all manufactures at release time.

 

HP has always done things that way....they release a product and then months later they finally put up the higher cost options.

Anyways . I just received a shipping delay notification email....now my date is on or before July 9th. Did anyone else get this? I ordered June 23rd. I don't know if 4th of July had anything to do with it but I highly doubt it since this is coming from China like most of them do....

So frustrated now...

 

I have some questions to ask because i think i might get this laptop. If anyone can please answer these questions i'd appreciate it.

I am customizing the envy touch smart 15t-j000 quad series and need some help.
1. I am getting 12gb ram (on 2 dimm) and the 1TB 5400rpm hybrid drive. I chose the option for no dvd/cd burner and i am not getting the ssd drive cache. will i be able to add an ssd into the laptop and also keep the 12gb ram and 1tb drive?
2. How hard is it to add an ssd?
3. What is the difference between the 1tb 5400 rpm hard drive and the 1tb 5400rpm hybrid drive?
4. Is the intel 4th gen i7-4702mQ much better than 3rd gen Intel® Core™ i7-3632QM quad-core (2.20GHz / 3.20GHz with Turbo Boost)?
5. Should i order this laptop now or wait? (Are better versions coming out?)
6. is the NVIDIA GT 740M GDDR5 or DDR3?
Sorry if some of these questions are dumb, i have no clue about these things
Thanks for your help

 

1/SSD can't but mSSD can
2/not hard, if u had disassembly a laptop beforce
4/ better, not sure about much better
5/if u wait for GT750M, sure u should wait

 

Some Answers
1.- I think is possible with an msata drive. At least previous line was possible, since you are getting the hybrid this should be used as another drive (not a cache one), you can buy a 128GB and install your programs and win8 over that drive... http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-pavilion-notebooks/675490-best-msata-choices-dv6-7xxx.html
2.- Somebody from the forum for sure will do it soon... dont have one in my hands now to try it.
3.- The hybrid comes with 8GB Nand Cache (this is the description 1 TB 5400 RPM + 8 GB NAND) ==> usually is a seagate momentus XT HDD...
4.- 4th gen has almost 10% performance over the 3rd gen...
5.- The only thing that will change soon will be the choice of a better graphic card : GT750M DDR3. If you are interesting in gaming I would wait... if not doesn't matters
6.- GT740 & GT750 are both DDR3.

 

My question is that when they bring out the GT750, will there still be these $250 sales? I doubt it would be worth waiting for the GT740 to come out and only have a $50 or $100 sale and then have to pay the extra price for the GT750... in which case, you'd end up breaking even and paying $250 more for just a slight increase.

So... when they do bust out the GT750, will we still have these nice $250 sales? If not, and especially if the GT750 is only going to be a DDR3 and not DDR5, it seems like an awful waste of money that could be spent elsewhere...

BTW... is that 24GB mSATA SSD cache drive worth it? Will it boost load-up times and start-up times noticeably or is it a waste of $40? Since no one knows yet if we can actually put our own mSATA SSD into the slot, I'm wondering if I should go for it.

 

thanks for the answers, but on answer number one and three im abit confused.
1. I already have a 256gb ssd at home, and im ordering the laptop with 12gb ram, no cd/dvd reader, and a 1tb hard drive. I wanted to know if the laptop has space for the ssd to be added.

3. But what does the 8gb Nand cache do?

and for the GT 740 and GT750 (graphic card) i read that DDR3 is bad, do you know if it's still good enough to play call of duty, or games like that?

 

Msata is a different connector than normal ssd sata... Do you have a 256 msata ssd? If not it will only work replacing your normal HDD...

The hybrid speeds up boot time, opening applications using the 8gb ssd... More info here about this technology...
http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/solid-state-hybrid/laptop-solid-state-hybrid-drive/

Finally to play call of duty and most of 2012 games at 720p gt740 is enough.



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Thanks for the help. I believe mine is an ssd, its samsung 830 series.

What happens if i get the hybrid drive and the 24gb mssd cache?

Also do u know if the nvidia gt 650m is gddr5, because i heard it does, i think its just as good as the gt 740m since it has gddr5, not sure if it does though.

 

I would choose just one option, either Hybrid or Normal + msata. Is going to be redundant to have both, dont sure how is going to work...
If you are not planning in the future to use a bigger msata drive as another storage drive, I will go with normal HDD + 24GB.

 

The other factor is that you can't order more than 8GB of RAM if you get the MSSD cache. It seems silly to me, and probably just something stupid with HP's CTO setup. It'll let you order 2x4GB, so it can't be that one slot blocks the other. I can't think of any technical reason why you couldn't order the MSSD and 8GB of RAM and put more RAM in yourself, or order it with 16GB and put a mSSD in yourself (if it's using a standard size).

Has anyone done that yet? Or confirmed that we can? I emailed HP about it and didn't get a useful answer. They suggested I call, but I haven't had time yet.

 

Just a couple of thoughts about this new HP series and this thread:

1) HP is still very much an impaired company, not close to reorganized with a solid corporate strategy nor, very likely, top rate management because they've been considered a company in crisis with uncertain future. Yet the are one of the first mfrs to come out with a rather impressive line of Haswell laptops with mobile quad cpus and options for dgpus, 1080p matte and touch screens and mostly everything we elitists *demand* (but rarely get) and offering them at prices like the 15t-j000 loaded for $760) that would have gotten you a dual core i5 with a x768 screen and igp only 1-2 yrs ago. Or perhaps you'd prefer to spend $1,400 for an Acer or Asus ultrabook with a ULV cpu, low end IGP and max 4gb RAM soldered on?

2)Before you flame me for stating the above, I completely agree that it is wrong for them to announce well before they can ship or to hype configurations that won't be available in your country for - who knows? But if you think this is something unique in the industry - and, in all honesty, it's been a long "tradition" with HP and anyone who has bought their new models over the past 5 yrs knows to expect this from them - well then I would say you have unrealistic expectations.

3) Last thought (laced with 5+ yrs of experience buying new HP products ) is this: if you're disappointed and angry now due to delayed shipments and conflicting information I will warn you to save your angst for when you get one of the first of this series to roll off the line. Because if history continues to repeat itself - and who doesn't think it will? - the quality of the first 3-6 months of production of a new, cut rate HP consumer laptop will be, putting it kindly, suitable for beta testing. In fact, it's all but an HP strategy to let early customers - not an internal QA dept - to tell them what works and what doesn't. Then, after they've sold off (and taken back returns of) all the first production run units, my money is on them succeeding at producing an acceptable, even appealing product.

Maybe Im the only one who thinks so, but this is hog heaven for laptop fiends: the market is in steep decline, two giants (MS Intel) have a huge amount riding on turning it around, technology is galloping forward and prices are plummeting!

A little patence will be generously rewarded. Bookmark this post and read it in 3-4 months

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I think no one is angry here nor mad at HP marketing. the thread shows how much people like the new envy series and how eager theyr wanting to get this laptop. I dont know why your so serious

 

Guys, there are several video of unboxing and review on youtube on the 17" version. Review HP Envy Touchsmart 17.3" (1080) Haswell Laptop - YouTube

Currently, I am still eager to wait for the 15" version with 750 GPU.

In Singapore, this is the reply i got from a supplier

Hi, Envy 6-j006tx mostly sold out in Singapore already. Just checked.
Stocks coming in around 2 weeks time.

Specs as follows:

4th generation Intel® Core™ i7-4702MQ Processor (2.2GHz, 6MB L3 Cache)
Microsoft Windows 8
Intel ® HM87 Express Chipset
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 750M switchable Graphics with 2G gDDR5 VRAM
15.6-inch diagonal Full HD BrightView LED-backlit Touchscreen Display (1920x1080)
16GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM
1TB Hard Drive
HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection
Drop-in-box DVD writer
Integrated 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet
LAN (RJ-45 connector)
802.11a/c WLAN w Bluetooth®"
Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader for Secure Digital cards & Multimedia cards
4 x SuperSpeed USB 3.0, HDMI, RJ-45
Headphone-out/microphone-in combo jack "
HP TrueVision HD Webcam with Integrated Digital Microphone
Beats Audio™, Quad Speakers with HP Two SubWoofer
Full-size island-style backlit keyboard with integrated numeric keypad
HP Clickpad supporting multi-touch gestures"
HP SimplePass Fingerprint Reader, Kensington MicroSaver lock slot
120W AC Adapter
6-cell 62WHr Lithium-ion Battery
One year Limited Warranty (parts/labor/carry-in)
~2.56Kg
1.89 cm (min H) / 2.99 cm (max H) x 37.95 cm (W) x 25.07 cm (D)

These are the specs given to us by HP.


As you see the GPU is ddr5 and the wireless is A/C not N standard which is conflicting with the information on HP singapore site so i am not sure whether it is the mistake of the supplier or HP as i reckon they (supplier) copy and forward this information.

 

Point taken. I had just seen the thread for the first time and read it start to finish and there were more complaints voiced earlier on, though as I read through recent pages after seeing your response I note mostly just "what should i choose?" questions. I've also had so much experience with HP product releases over the years and they are characterized as I've described in my post and I think I can only lend a bit of expectations-tempering by having prepared those who have not had similar experiences.

That said, is this not an amazing piece of hardware for the price?

 

The GT750 will be only DDR3, is a Typo.... 100% sure (Source: I work at HP)
There is a review here in the forum, with the 750 DDR3 version
http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...7-4702mq-nvidia-750m-haswell-quad-review.html

 

i just bought an ssd, if i replace the hard drive with my ssd how would it start windows 8? in other words, how do i take the windows 8 from the hard drive and add it to the ssd?

 

Any info on when the 750m will be coming to the US CTO HP website ? I want to get it but it's only the 740m right now and I can get a 300$ discount with the July coupon .

I don't want to get the 740m then have the 750m come out next week with the same coupon +.+ .

 

i only saw a 150$ rebate? what's the code for 300$ off, and when does it expire?

 

celebrate100 for 100 off and about 50ish for epp discount

 

wow thanks!!! you just saved me 100$, thank god i waited. Any word on when this coupon code ends and when the 150$ rebate end? together its 250$ off, won't be worth it to lose it for a little better gpu...

 

Ends tonight/tomorrow says through 7/6

 

i might just order it right now then... Can someone please answer this fast, is it hard to open the laptop to replace the hard drive with an ssd??? and how do i add windows 8 to the ssd from the hard drive?

 

You have to either clone the HDD to SSD or

Another way taught by the supplier is that you boot up using HDD then burn the recovery disc (approx 6 DVD).
Change out the HDD and insert the SDD.
Recover the whole system using the recovery DVDs
It should reload everything into the SDD automatically as if it was factory default.

Recovery disc usage help can refer to HP youtube channel where they would explain the various options.

Good Luck ! Let me know if you suceed as i am intending to do the same too !

 

this laptop doesn't come with an internal cd slot, so how do we copy it to a cd?

 

Boot with USB n install windows

 

You obviously haven't been reading this thread closely. The guy you quoted was just keeping real and I agree 100%. Despite all that I'm holding out hope that the Envy 17 Quad that I ordered will be okay and not an alpha unit that I end up having to return.

The only thing Im a little frustrated with is the whole performing a clean install of Windows 8 on an SSD part....

 

Here in Singapore , the DVD drive is bundled in the box itself. There is another option of creating recovery on USB drive instead of DVDs but you risk losing it or tampering it (virus) as it is a rewritable medium. Also to warn that the creating of recovery disc can only be done once or could be purchased (DVD) from hp Singapore(not sure about other region).

The most tedious way is to create a boot usb made from oem windows 8 image thereafter install windows and drivers which has its pro and cons.

Pro :
Install only what you need with no bloatware
Maximize the amount of precious SDD space for use due to the lack of bloatware taking up the spaces
Your windows will be the cleanest without much alteration from hp
Cons:
Some bundle software could only be installed thru recovery,
Install all the drivers one by one
Some HP enhancement would not be included
The computer might not be in itself best configuration(software for max battery life.

 

Is the 17" touch a best buy exclusive? There's still no sign of it on HP's site and I wouldn't want the BB configuration.

 

what kind of WLAN chipset envy 17 use ?
i hope it is not some slow RA link

 

I've been wondering this too. The BB config is pretty nice (IMO), except that it lacks discrete graphics. I'm not a big gamer, so I'm debating how much of a dealbreaker that is for me, but it seems odd to have such an otherwise top end laptop without it. And if it's going to have an optical drive, I'd prefer at least BD reading capabilities, if not writing, though I can live with that one.

I'm hoping if/when the 17" touch comes to HP's site, they start offering it with the IPS screen as well. It seems the IPS screens are a BB exclusive, which is silly. IPS with integrated graphics at BB, or discrete graphics without IPS at HP...why?!??!

 

Thanks Hawk. I guess everyone takes things and responds differently. I was indeed trying to keep it real and perhaps save folks some anxiety - present and future. Since I posted I read the two reviews for the 15 posted in different NBR threads and it took some wind out of my own sails, particularly hearing the FHD display is disappointing (wonder why HP couldn't use the matte IPS FHD from the DV6 line, at least for the non-touch version) and the keyboard has much flex. Here's to hoping these are things HP will fix for its "post-beta" refresh Good news for you: the 17 has an IPS screen and may well not have keyboard flex.

As far as moving W8 and other programs onto a mew SSD, there are loads of how-tos (text and video) to be found online as well has "foolproof" kits (complete with "ghosting" drive imaging software and step-by-step instructions) that come with many SSDs. Seems complicated if you've never done it but these days it is beyond foolproof, down to my league: idiot proof .

Good luck. Can't wait to hear how you like the 17.

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Hi everybody, does anybody know when GeForce GT 750M will be available on hp.com for the US market as an upgrade for envy 15t-j?

 

For those who played with both the touch and none-touch, does the glass improve the screen (not design-wise but actually reso/color wise) .

 

I'm not sure that it is IPS anymore. It may be just an awesome non-IPS screen. The BB rep in store said it was not IPS, and after a third look I can see some color inversion when looking at the screen from the bottom... but not from the top. If it isn't IPS though, it's functionally as good.

 

I'm sure if it was IPS it'd be a prominent marketing point, not something the customer would have to guess at. There is such a thing as a better TN, however, just like there are worse ones. I'm hoping for at least tolerable on the 1080p matte one I ordered with the Envy 17.

 

If it is the same tech as the touch model then you should be happy. But for $1k, it should be way more than just tolerable imo!

 

I saw this laptop at Bestbuy yesterday (Envy 17). The display looked OK, however I did notice vertical banding. I'm not sure if it's an isolated issue, but it would prevent me from purchasing.

 

Sigh Monday the 8th and still no 750m option. Guess Lenovo is taking my money.

 

when i ask HP about 750M
this is what i get

 

750M rules, no regrets on buying my ENVY-15J with one installed on the Intel HM87 based motherboard.

The 750M in the HP is clocks close to 1.1GHz under load and overclocks like a mutha, and goes hard.

Not sure what the performance will be like at 1080p, more realistic for any 750M (or 650M) either GDDR5 or DDR3 is 768p for decent frame rates, especially on newer games.

 

I'm still heavily debating between this machine and the Y510p. The Lenovo has a slightly better GDDR5 750M video card, but costs $250 more while having worse battery life, and the new NGFF/M.2 slot really limits what kind of SSD you can put in there =(

 

Hey volati1e, has it been confirmed that the 15-jxxx's have an mSata slot?