Gaming - dv6tqe/dv7tqe

With the new beta drivers I'm getting about 9-10 less FPS in RIFT. I'm still having issues with it running decently @1080p, I guess I may have been expecting a bit too much :/

My 3dmarkvantage scores were P6089 stock drivers
P6854 will 11.5b (with all the vid glitches, but 3dmark11 wouldn't complete)
the new 11.6 leaked beta drivers scored P6666 (OMG!!!)

 

Yeah but you could get the acer 3820tg, which according to the acer forums, it has 2 fans (CPU and GPU) and OC'ed like freekin' CRAZY.

 

I got it off newegg, should be a couple days still i get it, i have a dvt7qe 2820, so we will see what happens. *Fingers Crossed*

And when i do i will definitely post the results.

 

I got 7100 hundred actualy.
But i have 2630qm
6gig ram
6770m 1gig

 

Yours is a dv6tqe 6000 right?

Mine is a dv7tqe 6100...

So it appears there is a performance hit to the dynamic switchable graphics. What graphics drivers are you using?

EDIT:

I'm noticing something else here. Both CPU-Z and GPU-Z state that my 6770m is running at PCI-E x8 rather than the full x16, is this the case with other people? I'd like to know from people on both a 6000 revision and 6100 revision (please specify which you are). I'd be disappointed to find that we only have a limited number of PCI-E lanes and that the implementation is crippled. The HM65 chipset that our motherboard is supports full x16.

 

How do I go about using GPU-Z to log my graphics card activities? Does it do it automatically, or do I have to turn it on? And where are the logs stored?

Thanks!

 

EDIT: Read mine wrong. It is showing as running at x1. I also have a dv7t-6100 with 2GB VRAM. What the hell?

As far as logging goes, I am getting some weird readings from the Radeon. When it is inactive, it runs at 0 MHz core speed and 27 MHz memory speed. I suppose that's fine, but when it is active, it only goes up to 100 MHz core speed and 81 MHz memory speed. Anyone else getting weird readings like that?

EDIT 2: It also shows I'm running in 32-bit mode. All sorts of weird readings here.

 

I'm on a dv6t-6100 with 1GB VRAM. Under bus interface GPU-Z is showing PCI-E 2.0 x 16 @ x8 2.0. I have no idea if that means x8 or 16, but I hope it helps.

 

It means your card has 16-lane potential, but is only running on 8.

EDIT: Seems Ivan in the other thread is also running in x8, and is getting the same speeds as me. Do you guys think GPU-Z is accurate?

 

I really hope it's inaccurate, id be real mad if HP limited the 6770 to an x8 when its fully capable of x16 along with our MB. I wish i knew all of this before i bought my dv7tqe, but it was such a great deal at the time, i couldn't pass it up. Don't get me wrong i love it, but the little things here and there that just make me alil upset.

 

Well, the thing is that it's not really a "little thing." The switching problems are little because they are software issues that can be fixed. This is a hardware problem that causes a major performance hit, and basically renders the card useless in that it will not be much better than the HD 3000, if at all.

 

Can you look at performance in games? From your screenshots, it appears that GPU-Z is extremely confused -- practically every field is at a nonsensical or outright wrong value.

BTW, PCIe 2.0 at 8x rather than 16x is perfectly fine -- you will never notice it with a 6770M. Even with much higher end cards like the desktop GTX480 and Radeon 5870 the difference is only a couple of percent. To see real differences, you need dual desktop cards like the Radeon 6970 and GTX590.

 

you are joking right... even at x1 the 6770m will be faster than the intel hd 3000... just look at the performance difference urself. regardless of whether pci-e is x8 or x16, the 6770m in this computer can produce 30fps in SC2 at ultra/1920x1080, it can get 1500+ on 3dmark 11. this already puts it miles beyond the m14x, which supposedly is a dedicated portable gaming machine.

 

You do have to consider that it is a 14", m14x is pretty good for it size.

 

it is not a 14" -___- it's over a full pound heavier than the dv6 and much bulkier.

 

Hey Guys,

I just got my laptop and was playing some Heroes of Newerth..not a very demanding game...although I have all the settings maxed..but I noticed the left palm rest getting uncomfortably warm...as in it's making my hand sweat. Is anyone else noticing a really warm palm rest while gaming? Thanks.

 

I saw a copy/paste from someone in the owner's thread when I googled this that his card said it was running at 16x, but he was on a 6000 revision, not 6100. Do we have anyone here on a 6000 that can verify?

Also, Kahn, I saw mine report 1x for a few as well, the second time I ran it, it then reported 8x, might have something to do with the drivers. It reported as 1x only when I ran it very close to when the computer finished booting up.

Teotuf, its somewhat irrelevant that the 6770m will outperform the Intel HD 3000 even at 1x. We bought a high end laptop expecting the highest performance it can offer, not crippled performance. Even if I saw a 0.5% difference between 8x and 16x it is still a limitation that has been placed that should not be there when both the graphics card and the chipset both support 16x.

 

that was in response to kahn's claim that this is a "major performance hit" that will reduce it to little more than the HD300.

it doesn't necessarily matter what it actually is as long as the performance is still here. my card is getting about 1500-1600 at stock clocks in 3dmark 11. this is equal to or better than other laptops with the same graphics card, so you can't really say it is crippled.

an example of a crippled card is the 5650m in envy 14, or 6850m in the envy 17. those score lower than other laptops with the same cards. that isn't the case here. if this should be considered "crippled", then we might as well say that the 6750m in MBPs are crippled because they aren't clocked as 6770m...

 

Yes, I know the HD 3000 is awful. But in my last desktop I once had a 9800 GT that went from x16 to x1, so I know how crippling that can be. I would be utterly disappointed with my purchase if I invested in a graphics upgrade only to have it mostly negated.

If you think the palm rest is hot, move your hand up to near the vent and Escape key, and feel there. This is a very thin laptop, and the graphics card is going to get very hot when under significant load, even if it is not really pushing the card to its limits. I'm not sure what you can do to lower GPU temperature specifically, as most cooling tweaks focus on CPU.

I'm still getting x1 every time, but I do think that this is wrong information. Today I installed Empire: Total War, the most demanding game that I have, and it ran perfectly on High Settings. It did reach up to 82 degrees Celsius at one point, but I got the same 79-80 average when I played on lowest settings, so I'm not sure what to do about that.

The only games that I have been having trouble with are older games. Given the performance in Empire, I will chalk it up to the 2630's slow clock speed becoming a bottleneck on single-core applications.

 

Didn't feel like it, when I was playing with it and carrying it around. The dv6 with 9 cell felt really clunky than that.

Much easier to move it around in small places.

 

Apologies, my post wasnt meant as an attack on yours, more of a 'I'd rather have 16x than 8x simply cause the board and card support it' type of statement. I do get where you are coming from, but myself being that I always build my own desktop machines and since that is next to impossible with laptops, being given restraints, whether real or imagined, is just an annoyance.

As far as the Intel HD 3000 is concerned, it is actually a surprisingly good graphics processor all things considered, it achieves better performance than some entry level discrete cards and is head and shoulders above the integrated graphics of yore.

mjl2116: There is some information in the modding thread about what is where inside your laptop, but you could also flip it over, pop out the battery and pop up the panel to see if there is anything directly under your left palm rest. When playing World of Warcraft my left palm rest doesnt get uncomfortably warm, but it does get warm. I do use a laptop cooling pad though, a CoolerMaster Notepal U2. The warmest part of my machine during gaming is the left edge and up to the upper left corner. That part would be uncomfortably warm if I had to rest my hand on it.

 

is there a difference between the 6100 and 6000 models?

 

The 2630QM is way overkill for any older games. It is much more likely that the cause of your trouble is flawed GPU switching -- older games probably don't have whatever it takes for AMD's drivers to figure out what is going on and switch to the discreet card.

 

I've only tested two games so far. Keep in mind that I'm a fan of Vsync and "lazily" do not turn my virus scanner off...

Game: Starcraft 2
Model: DV6QE 6100
Processor: 2820QM
GPU: 6770M 2GB
RAM: 8 GB
Internet Type: Wireless
Settings: All high, Vsync ON
Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Max FPS: Upper 50s
Min FPS: Upper 30s
Average: Upper 40s

Game: Portal 2
Model: DV6QE 6100
Processor: 2820QM
GPU: 6770M 2GB
RAM: 8 GB
Internet Type: Wireless
Settings: Max settings, X4 AA, X16 AF, Vsync ON
Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Max FPS: 60
Min FPS: Upper 30s
Average: 50s

 

Actually the 6230qm is pretty slow for older games in the 2000-2004 era, a some of them are very cpu intensive and only runs on a single core. Turbo boost does a nice job but it can't do it for so long.

 

The 2000-2004 era was NetBurst/Athlon time. Even if only a single core is being used and HP's cooling is so bad that Turbo Boost can't get a permanent increase with that single core (I don't buy this, but let's pretend), a 2.0GHz Sandy Bridge CPU will utterly annihilate anything from those days.

 

I actually noticed that too, but in The Witcher 1. My driver update path was stock->11.5b. What is yours? It may be simply due to driver versions, so I'd like to compare it with yours.

 

Hey how fast does this thing heat up and how hot does it get on the panel. I heard lot of complaints about it getting too hot where u rests ur hands, and really can handle gaming....

 

Hmm...yeh so I have had the laptop for a few days...I have played a bit of Heroes of Newerth, which isn't a super resoursce intensive game. The left pal rest gets uncomfortably hot in my opinion. It's not like burning or anything but it's warm enough to make my left hand sweat. I can already see sweat stains on the left palm rest forming. I hope it doesn't get any hotter with Starcraft 2...

 

I've heard numerous people say that this is the best cooler out there. My question is, does it really help much? Under load my temps are pretty much the same as BeaverRat's numbers, here.

 

Currently while running World of Warcraft on Ultra settings sitting in orgrimmar and after running around a bit my current temps are about the same as Beaver's, however my maxes are ALL 10'C lower than his.

But the true test would be doing something identical with mine as someone else without this cooler does with theirs, IE: run 3DMark Vantage free (just the 4 tests default settings) and see what the current/min/max are at the end.

 

If you want slight increase in graphics quality in SC2, you can increase the textures to Ultra, Physics to Ultra, and turn on reflections. These settings rely on the CPU (and GPU memory which is plenty) which is overkill for SC2. You will have no loss of FPS.

 

Heres my question. Whats th way to get the best price on one if these? Theres a good coupon right now, but its still $850. I saw someone get one for $673. Any ideas?

 

I am trying to search the thread for my question, but i always get "no results found"

My question: I have the DV6-6XXX, driver version 8.83, when playing Call of duty:Call of Duty - Black Ops, i got a splitting horizontal line.

So how can i fix this issue? does installing 11.5b hotfix fix the issue? does this hotfix affect the manual switching?

Thanks & i hope this question is not repeated

 

I just received my Kingston HyperX 8GB 1866MHz PnP Memory Kit today and it works amazing!! Booted right up, no errors, BSOD's, my WEI went from 7.0 to 7.9, and the best news, it runs @ 1866MHz!! You can read the review here from the first quote.

I highly recommend this kit! I have a dv7tqe with a 2820, im not sure if it would for with anything below the 2820, but it being PnP, I believe it should work fine in my opinion with the lower CPU's.

Everything run so much smoother and opens quick, I'm amazed @ the performance of this RAM, Kingston out did themselves for enthusiast RAM, since on Newegg, the only 1866MHz on Newegg is only Kingston.

EDIT: I just read some reviews on Newegg with people that don't have the i7-2820 and they confirmed it also worked @ the correct speeds!

Cheers

 

Skystar, turn on VSync.

 

Hey guys. I have this problem and I can't figure out why.

Me and my brother have the same laptop, with the difference being that he has 6 GB RAM, 500 GB HDD (5400 RPM) and no BLU RAY Drive. (You can compare these specs with the specs of my laptop which are stated in my signature).

A few weeks ago, I stated that while playing Crysis 2 on my brother's laptop, I was getting fps ranging from 55-70 on High settings, but with a lot of screen tearing.

In my case, while playing Crysis 2, the fps on High settings drops to about 40 but can go up to 70 still. In fact, I don't need to see the fps to be able to tell that the gameplay isn't smooth. In my opinion, I find the choppy game play is very prominent on my machine.

BUT, in my case, there's no tearing at all whatsoever. To be honest, I'd rather have screen tearing than choppy game play. Can someone figure out and tell me why?

I can give you more clues which might help you figure out the reason. It runs smooth when i run in the game, or pan up/down using my mouse. it ONLY gets choppy when I pan left/right. I realised that on my brother's machine, the screen ONLY tears when i pan left/right too. Could this be related?

Lastly, I am running trend micro internet security in the background while he isn't running any anti-virus, though i don't know if that makes a difference.

EDIT: additional info: No overclocking done on both machines. screen resolution is 1366 x 768 (native)

 

Everyone says that DV6TQe has backlit keyboard. but whe I customized it
Here, it only has the option on standard keyboard

 

The older model had backlit keyboards, since the Intel issue on the old dv6/7tqe, the new dv6/7tqe, hp decided to remove the option for some stupid reason...if you check out the modding post, you can get some more insight about the subject. Cheers

What would be nice is if they made a dv6/7tqeSE, so we could have the option to have a touch screen and the backlit keyboard, I'd like to see that, but it's not gonna happen.

 

Screw them. I can't go for older model that does'nt have SB CPU. So the main difference between latest DV7 and Envy 17 is lack of Backlit keyboard and weak graphic card? Rest of the the look and feel is almost the same? I am really impressed with the beautiful look of Envy 17 since I don't expect playing games like crysis on laptop at resolution of 1920 X 1080, therefore don't expect much in gaming. Bug if I can save some money and buy DV7 and get almost the identical look and feel of Envy 17, I will be really pleased

 

I'm a bit concerned about the temperatures for my dv6. The CPU idles around 51-55 and hovers around 58 when i run chrome/youtube/etc, nothing heavy. But overall the temperatures never get below 50 and I've read that alot of others have min temperatures in the 40s. After playing league of legends for a while the temperature hovers around 68 but that's not too bad. Any thoughts?

 

Is your HP Coolsense set to max cool?

 

Does coolsense run by default or do I have to set it up? I just bought this computer a few days ago.

 

I'm pretty sure it's actually x8. PCI-e scaling isn't linear. The scaled performance is about
x1 - 50%
x2 - 80%
x4 - 95%
x8 - 99%
x16 - 100%

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Express_Scaling/25.html
and
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/397667-lets-figure-out-how-make-diy-vidock-16.html#post5122549

 

The reason the scaling isnt linear is mostly because graphics cards dont utilize the majority of the bandwidth afforded by the x16 even when it is available.

If a card was released that truly used all x16 lanes, then I imagine it would show a much more significant difference when scaling back. Maybe not entirely linear but definitely more than a percent or 2.

 

Coolsene determines how often your fans run, so I guess it is always in control of how often your fan runs. Just type "coolsense" into your search bar in the start menu and it should come up.

 

Hey guys, what settings do you use for CS: Source and what is your average fps? I have 1920 x 1080 and everything on high, vsync on, x2 AA,...and averaging like 45ish fps. Overall, the game just feels a bit laggy or something on my dv6t... Thanks.

 

I just loaded up CS:S on my dv7tqe with vsync enabled on a custom Dust2 map (dustmas) I pegged 60 fps the whole time. 45 seems low, I'm not sure you're using the 6770m

 

Just downloaded the cs:s beta and used the video stress test, got an average of 222.27 fps. that seemed very very high so I loaded up a game on the map office with 31 bots and was getting anywhere from 15 to 200. that seems kinda messed up. ya but use the video stress test cuz just playing a game can give some strange results, especially when you change the amount of players, with only 15 bots I was getting over 100 everywhere.

 

The issue with CS:S is how the maps are rendered. You'll find in certain maps with a lot of smoke if you look towards the rest of the map (IE: from one corner just face towards where you know the rest of the map is) your framerate will plummet.

The reason for this is that on certain maps if they were not written properly, the game is actually rendering everything between you and the far end of the map. Sure its an old game, but rendering the entire map is going to be hard on any graphics card. Having 30 bots and rendering the whole map, especially a map with smoke effects is just brutal. (dust2 is a prime example of this)

The unfortunate thing is the maps that tend to function this way are Valve original maps.